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OAG Changes 12/28/2012: AA/DL/F9/UA  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11385 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

7V VIR-ULD JAN 0.7>0.5

AA DFW-AEX APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
AA DFW-ATL APR 11>10 MAY 11>10
AA DFW-AUS APR 15>14 MAY 15>14
AA DFW-BOS APR 8>9 MAY 8>9
AA DFW-BTR APR 8>9 MAY 8>9
AA DFW-BZE APR 1.0>1.1 MAY 1.0>1.1
AA DFW-CRP APR 8>9 MAY 8>9
AA DFW-CUN APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5
AA DFW-GDL MAY 4>3
AA DFW-GPT APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
AA DFW-GRK MAY 10>9
AA DFW-GRR APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
AA DFW-GUA APR 1.0>1.1 MAY 1.0>1.1
AA DFW-IAD APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
AA DFW-IAH APR 7>8 MAY 7>8
AA DFW-LAS APR 12>11 MAY 12>11
AA DFW-MAF APR 7>8 MAY 7>8
AA DFW-MFE APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
AA DFW-MSN APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
AA DFW-MSY APR 6>7 MAY 6>7
MZT's new airline impact?
*AA DFW-MZT APR 1.0>0.3 MAY 1.0>0.3 JUN 1.0>0.7
AA DFW-PVR APR 1.2>1.3 MAY 1.1>1.3
AA DFW-RSW MAY 2>3
AA DFW-SAL APR 0.7>0.6 MAY 0.7>0.6
AA DFW-SEA MAY 7>8
*AA DFW-SJD APR 2>4 MAY 2>4 JUN 2>3
AA DFW-SLC APR 5>4 MAY 5>4
AA DFW-TRC APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.6
AA DFW-TYS APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
AA DFW-VER APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7
AA DFW-VPS APR 6>7 MAY 6>7
AA DFW-XNA APR 8>9 MAY 8>9
AA FLL-PAP APR 2>1.7 MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.9
AA JFK-CUN APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>1.4
B6 must love this
*AA JFK-FLL APR 2>0.1 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>1.3
AA JFK-GRU APR 2>1.3 MAY 2>1.3 JUN 2>1.8
Hmm...interesting
**AA JFK-IAH APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AA JFK-LAS APR 1.0>2.0 MAY 1.0>2
AA JFK-LHR APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
AA JFK-SFO APR 5>4 MAY 5>4
*AA JFK-SJO APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.6
AA JFK-SJU MAY 4>3
*AA JFK-SXM APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.6
AA LAX-DFW APR 19>18 MAY 19>18
AA LAX-ELP APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.9>3
AA LAX-FLL APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7
AA LAX-LIH APR 1.6>1.7 MAY 1.6>1.7
AA LAX-MRY APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
AA LAX-OKC APR 2>3 MAY 2>3
*AA LAX-RDU APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AA LAX-SBA APR 5>4 MAY 5>4
AA LAX-SJD APR 1.0>1.8 MAY 1.0>1.8 JUN 1.0>1.3
AA LAX-SLC APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
AA LAX-YYZ APR 1.0>2.0 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>1.4
AA LGA-STL APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
AA MIA-BSB APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7
AA MIA-BZE APR 2>1.8 MAY 2>1.8
AA MIA-CNF APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.8
AA MIA-CUN APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6
AA MIA-ELH APR 1.0>1.1 MAY 1.0>1.1
*AA MIA-FDF APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2
AA MIA-GGT APR 1.0>1.2 MAY 1.0>1.1
AA MIA-GYE APR 1.4>2 MAY 1.4>2 JUN 1.4>2 JUL 1.4>2 AUG 1.5>2
AA MIA-MHH APR 1.0>1.1 MAY 1.0>1.1
AA MIA-MSY APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
AA MIA-PAP APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
AA MIA-PHX APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
*AA MIA-PTP APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2
AA MIA-PUJ MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3
AA MIA-SDQ MAY 4>3
AA MIA-SJO MAY 4>3
AA MIA-SJU MAY 8>7
AA MIA-TLH APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
AA ORD-BNA APR 8>9 MAY 8>9
AA ORD-BOS APR 9>10 MAY 9>10
AA ORD-CLT APR 5>6 MAY 5>6
AA ORD-CMH APR 11>10 MAY 11>10
AA ORD-DFW APR 16>18 MAY 16>18
AA ORD-DSM APR 6>7 MAY 6>7
AA ORD-LAX APR 11>10 MAY 11>10
AA ORD-LIT APR 5>6 MAY 5>6
AA ORD-MCI APR 7>8 MAY 7>8
AA ORD-PHX APR 5>4 MAY 5>4
AA ORD-RDU MAY 5>4
AA ORD-RIC APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
AA ORD-ROC APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
AA ORD-RSW APR 3>4 MAY 2>4
AA ORD-SAT APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
AA ORD-SDF APR 5>6 MAY 5>6
AA ORD-SEA APR 4>6 MAY 4>6 JUN 4>5
*AA ORD-SJD APR 0.0>0.2 MAY 0>0.1
AA ORD-SYR APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
AA ORD-TUL APR 4>5 MAY 4>5

AC ALB-YYZ FEB 1.7>1.4
AC CVG-YYZ FEB 1.7>1.6
AC GRR-YYZ FEB 1.7>1.4
AC IAH-YYZ FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3
AC IND-YYZ FEB 1.9>1.8
AC MDT-YYZ FEB 1.9>1.7
AC PBI-YYZ FEB 1.8>1.6
AC PVD-YYZ FEB 1.6>1.4
AC RIC-YYZ FEB 1.7>1.6

In/out/in/out
*AM ATL-MEX FEB 1.0>0.9 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
AM ATL-TLC FEB 0>0.1
AM DEN-MEX FEB 0.4>0.5
AM FAT-GDL JAN 0.4>0.7 FEB 0.3>0.4
AM JFK-MEX FEB 5>4
AM LAS-MEX FEB 3>1.9
AM LAX-BJX FEB 0.5>0
AM ONT-GDL FEB 0.9>0.6
AM ORD-GDL FEB 0.5>0.3
AM SAT-MTY FEB 0.6>1.0
AM SMF-GDL FEB 0.5>0.7

DL response?
*AS SEA-LAX MAY 11>12 JUN 12>13 JUL 12>13 AUG 12>13

BA MIA-LHR APR 3>2 MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2

BB SJU-STT JAN 4>1.7 FEB 4>1.7 MAR 4>3 APR 5>4 MAY 5>3
BB SJU-STX JAN 4>3 FEB 6>4 MAR 5>3 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5
BB SJU-VQS FEB 0.6>0 MAR 0.6>0 APR 0.5>0.4 MAY 0.6>0.5 JUN 0.6>0.4 JUL 0.5>0.4 AUG 0.6>0.5
BB STT-SJU JAN 4>1.6 FEB 5>3 MAR 5>3 APR 6>4 MAY 6>4 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
BB STT-STX FEB 4>3 MAR 4>1.5 APR 4>1.4 MAY 3>1.3 JUN 2>0.3 JUL 2>0.3 AUG 2>0.3
BB STX-SJU JAN 3>2.0 FEB 6>4 MAR 7>5 APR 8>5 MAY 8>5
BB VQS-SJU FEB 0.6>0 MAR 0.6>0 APR 0.5>0.4 MAY 0.6>0.5 JUN 0.6>0.4 JUL 0.5>0.4 AUG 0.6>0.5

CA IAH-PEK JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.5
CA JFK-PEK APR 1.0>1.6 MAY 1.0>1.6 JUN 1.0>1.6 JUL 1.0>1.6 AUG 1.0>1.5

DE FLL-FRA JUL 0.3>0.6 AUG 0.3>0.5

DL ATL-BTR APR 9>10 MAY 9>10 JUN 9>10 JUL 9>10 AUG 8>9
DL ATL-BWI MAY 11>12
DL ATL-CHS APR 10>12 MAY 10>12
DL ATL-ECP APR 7>8 MAY 7>8
DL ATL-GPT APR 5>6 MAY 5>6
DL ATL-LIT APR 6>7
DL ATL-MXP AUG 1.0>0.4
DL ATL-SAV MAY 10>11
DL ATL-VCE AUG 0.9>0.5
DL ATL-VPS APR 10>11 MAY 9>11
DL CLE-MSP APR 4>5
DL CVG-LAS MAR 0.7>0.5
DL DTW-ITH APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.8>3
DL DTW-MKE JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7
DL GUM-KIX JUL 1.4>1.1
DL GUM-NRT AUG 4>5
DL JFK-ATH MAY 0.5>0
DL JFK-DUB JUN 1.0>1.2 JUL 1.0>1.5 AUG 1.0>1.4
DL JFK-MEX JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
DL JFK-YYZ FEB 1.9>2 MAR 1.7>1.9
*DL LAX-SEA APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3
DL LAX-SFO MAY 12>11 JUN 12>11 JUL 12>11 AUG 12>11
DL LGA-CLE MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
DL LGA-FLL MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5
DL LGA-PWM MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
DL LGA-YHZ JUN 2>3 JUL 2.0>3 AUG 2>3
DL MIA-LGA APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
DL MOT-MSP APR 7>6 MAY 7>6
DL MSP-PHL MAY 5>4
DL SLC-BIL JUL 6>5 AUG 5>4
DL SLC-DEN MAY 8>7
DL SLC-YVR FEB 1.6>1.5

Looks like COS is about finished with
*F9 COS-LAX MAY 0.7>0.1 JUN 0.8>0.3 JUL 0.3>0.1
*F9 COS-PHX MAR 0.8>0.6 APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 0.8>0.3 JUN 1.0>0.3 JUL 0.3>0.1
*F9 COS-SAN MAR 0.7>0
F9 DEN-CID JUN 0.6>0.4
F9 DEN-LAX MAR 5>4 APR 5>4
F9 DEN-PHX MAR 5>6
*F9 ORD-HUX FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.1
F9 PHL-CUN FEB 0.5>0.4 MAR 0.6>0.5
*F9 STL-HUX FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2 MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.1

FJ LAX-NAN JUL 0.5>0.9 AUG 0.6>0.8

HA LAX-OGG JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>1.3

HY JFK-RIX APR 0.1>0.3 MAY 0.1>0.3

K5 AHN-BNA JAN 1.7>3 FEB 1.7>3 MAR 1.7>3 APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3
K5 MEM-MKL JAN 0.9>1.7 FEB 1.0>1.7 MAR 1.0>1.7 APR 1.0>1.7 MAY 1.0>1.7 JUL 1.0>1.7 AUG 1.0>1.7
K5 PDT-PDX JAN 1.7>4 FEB 1.7>4 MAR 1.7>4 APR 1.7>4 MAY 1.7>4 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>4 AUG 1.7>4

KX TPA-GCM JAN 0.3>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0.5>0.7

LA MIA-LIM APR 0.3>0.4 MAY 0.3>0.5 JUN 0.3>0.4 JUL 0.3>0.5 AUG 0.3>0.4

OZ SPN-ICN JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
OZ SPN-NRT JAN 0.0>0.2

QF DFW-BNE APR 1.0>0.9 MAY 1.0>0.8

SY LAS-MSP JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0

TA DFW-SAL FEB 1.0>0.8
TA MIA-GUA FEB 1.0>0.9
TA MIA-SAP FEB 1.0>0.9
TA MIA-TGU FEB 1.0>0.7

TJ SJU-SBH JUN 0.9>1.3 JUL 0.9>1.2 AUG 0.8>1.3
TJ STT-SBH JAN 1.0>0.9

*UA DEN-SAF MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2
*UA DEN-YMM JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
UA EWR-ANU JUN 0.5>0.3
UA EWR-BTV MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4
UA EWR-DSM MAY 0.9>1.9 JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
UA EWR-FLL JUN 7>6
UA EWR-GSP MAY 1.8>3
UA EWR-MCI MAY 4>5
UA EWR-MHT JUN 4>3
UA EWR-MSP MAY 5>6
UA EWR-OMA MAY 1.7>3
UA EWR-ORF MAY 4>5
UA EWR-PBI MAY 5>4 JUN 6>4
UA EWR-PHL MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
UA EWR-PVD MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3
UA EWR-PWM MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4
UA EWR-SNA MAY 1.8>3
UA EWR-TPA JUN 6>5
*UA EWR-YEG MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.8
UA EWR-YHZ MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
UA EYW-TPA JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
UA FLL-BIM MAY 0.9>1.0 JUN 0.9>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7 AUG 0.9>1.4
UA FLL-ELH FEB 1.0>1.1 MAR 1.0>1.5 APR 1.0>1.6 MAY 1.0>1.6 JUN 1.0>1.6 JUL 1.0>1.5 AUG 1.0>1.5
UA FLL-FPO FEB 1.9>1.4 MAR 2>1.1 APR 2>1.1 MAY 2>1.2 JUN 2>1.1 JUL 2>1.1 AUG 2>1.2
UA FLL-GGT MAR 1.0>0.8 APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.8 AUG 1.0>0.7
UA FLL-GHB FEB 0.7>0.9 MAR 0.7>1.0 APR 0.7>1.0 MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0 AUG 0.7>0.5
UA FLL-GNV FEB 0.4>0.2
UA FLL-MHH FEB 1.0>1.5 MAR 1.0>1.9 APR 1.0>1.8 MAY 1.0>1.8 JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>1.8 AUG 1.0>1.2
UA FLL-TCB MAR 1.0>1.2 APR 1.0>1.1 MAY 1.0>1.1 JUN 1.0>1.2 JUL 1.0>1.1
UA FLL-TLH MAY 1.7>1.1 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0
*UA IAD-GRR MAY 0>2.0 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2
*UA IAD-GUA MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2
*UA IAD-SJO MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2
UA IAD-SJU JUN 1.0>0.5
*UA IAD-YVR JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11440 times:

UA IAH-LIR JUN 3>1.8
*UA LAX-ICT MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
UA MCO-MHH FEB 1.0>1.1 MAR 1.0>1.3 APR 1.0>1.3 MAY 1.0>1.3 JUN 1.0>1.3 JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>0.8
*UA ORD-FAI JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
*UA ORD-FAI JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
*UA ORD-SJO MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2
UA PBI-MHH MAR 1.0>1.2 APR 1.0>1.1 MAY 1.0>1.1 JUN 1.0>1.2 JUL 1.0>1.1 AUG 1.0>0.7
UA PBI-TPA MAR 1.7>3 APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3

US PHX-PVR AUG 1.8>1.0

UX JFK-MAD JUL 0.6>1.0 AUG 0.5>1.0

*V2 GPT-PIE JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7 MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7

VS MCO-LGW AUG 2>3
VS SFO-LHR APR 1.4>1.0 MAY 1.5>1.0 JUN 1.4>1.0 JUL 1.5>1.0 AUG 1.4>1.0

WN DEN-RDU MAR 1.0>1.7

WP HNL-KOA JAN 0.4>0
WP HNL-LNY JAN 5>4
WP HNL-OGG JAN 4>3
WP KOA-HNL JAN 0.4>0
WP LNY-HNL JAN 7>6
WP OGG-HNL JAN 4>3


User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1904 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11358 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA MCO-MHH FEB 1.0>1.1 MAR 1.0>1.3 APR 1.0>1.3 MAY 1.0>1.3 JUN 1.0>1.3 JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>0.8

What is MHH?


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11356 times:

Interesting that AA is pulling some MIA BZE capacity and shifting to DFW.

AA is also upping DFW-IAH but cutting one to AUS. Do they always do that in spring?



Ciao Windjet mi manchi
User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16855 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11293 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-ATH MAY 0.5>0

So no Athens for 2013?



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11293 times:

Same number of frequencies, so it won't show up on the report, but it should be noted that BMI is getting some DL mainline love. The morning flight switches from a CR9 to DL 957 this spring, which is an A-319. The remaining flights appear to be a CR9 & a CR7. FL pulled BMI-ATL last June, so apparently they are going after the spring break travelers.

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11264 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 2):
What is MHH?

Marsh Harbour, Bahamas



Semper Fi - PowerPoint makes us stupid.
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17414 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11175 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AS SEA-LAX MAY 11>12 JUN 12>13 JUL 12>13 AUG 12>13

Everything is great! Nothing to see here other than DL's tpac hub funded mostly by a carrier they have no control over.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently onlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1629 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10682 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-ATH MAY 0.5>0
Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
So no Athens for 2013?

Without looking at the schedules, I would assume that JFK-ATH is still scheduled to operate later in the summer (June/July/August). Since this post only shows it being reduced to zero during May, DL has most likely delayed the start of the route until June.


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9310 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10423 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):

Start pushed to June.

Quoting steex (Reply 8):

Without looking at the schedules, I would assume that JFK-ATH is still scheduled to operate later in the summer (June/July/August). Since this post only shows it being reduced to zero during May, DL has most likely delayed the start of the route until June.

     



yep.
User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10415 times:

Wow. DSM-EWR goes twice daily? Well I guess that answers any questions on how the service is performing. Very well timed flight for those evening Europe flights.

User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10237 times:

Pleasantly surprised to see AA mainline additions in MSY to both DFW and MIA. Seems like they've been stuck on 12 flights a day for ages. I'd love to see them add MSY-LAX at some point. It'd be a good fit with all the entertainment traffic.

User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10132 times:

Quoting evanbu (Reply 10):
Wow. DSM-EWR goes twice daily? Well I guess that answers any questions on how the service is performing. Very well timed flight for those evening Europe flights.

I'm not doubting this route's performance, but do you think this could be a preemptive strike to try to hold off WN from trying to fly DSM-east? WN hasn't done much with DSM, and it seems like the other carriers in the market are trying to hold their own.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10012 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-ATH MAY 0.5>0

So no Athens for 2013?
Quoting steex (Reply 8):
Without looking at the schedules, I would assume that JFK-ATH is still scheduled to operate later in the summer (June/July/August). Since this post only shows it being reduced to zero during May, DL has most likely delayed the start of the route until June.

Yes, the start was delayed to June...so far.

Quoting evanbu (Reply 10):
Wow. DSM-EWR goes twice daily? Well I guess that answers any questions on how the service is performing. Very well timed flight for those evening Europe flights.

A nice win for DSM.

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 12):
I'm not doubting this route's performance, but do you think this could be a preemptive strike to try to hold off WN from trying to fly DSM-east?

I'm usually eager to believe such things, but 1) I don't think that would discourage WN and 2) I don't think it would affect them much at all. It's probably highly local and the domestic connect options would not be big markets for WN.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9956 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-OKC APR 2>3 MAY 2>3

Not too shabby.

All flights operated by CR7s. OKC departures are at 0705, 1350, and 1735. Departures from LAX will be at 0845, 1220, and 1800. Really like this schedule.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1034 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9799 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHX-PVR AUG 1.8>1.0

I know it's typically a slow week, so I'm not basing my observation off this one change alone. But is it just me, or does US always seem to have the fewest weekly schedule adjustments in the OAG updates of any legacy carrier? Do they just not fiddle much with the schedule on a regular basis? Is their tactical approach in this regard simply different from the other legacies?


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9768 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 3):

Interesting that AA is pulling some MIA BZE capacity and shifting to DFW.

Yes, the strength of the BZE market has always been west of the Mississippi. As UA and AA have put capacity into BZE from IAH (on some Saturdays UA runs 4 frequencies) and DFW, the seats are being filled.

You also have DL hammering AA on the east coast and UA now starting to build EWR to BZE. US is also catching the lower yield stuff upstream (like church groups). Pretty much only thing left for AA to hold onto in MIA is FL, VFR to MIA, and Caribbean and European traffic. That is sizable (especially the Caribbean traffic) but it is not enough to fill 2 738s every day.

The cut in frequency will also help them to keep the yields high.......some of the best fares to BZE this year have been through MIA. Fares via IAH or via ATL were much higher on average.



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User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9769 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 14):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-OKC APR 2>3 MAY 2>3
Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 14):
Not too shabby.

Agreed, looks like the LAX-OKC route is performing well for Eagle.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9674 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 15):
I know it's typically a slow week, so I'm not basing my observation off this one change alone. But is it just me, or does US always seem to have the fewest weekly schedule adjustments in the OAG updates of any legacy carrier? Do they just not fiddle much with the schedule on a regular basis? Is their tactical approach in this regard simply different from the other legacies?

If you think this week is slow, wait till next week.

I'm not sure I agree. Keep in mind that US is the smallest of the legacies, so naturally they have fewer changes. US Airways does manage their schedule differently than pretty much everybody else. They tend to have a completely fake schedule selling from about 4-5 months out to 11 months out. Often the bank structure isn't even current in those schedules. If they drop or add a market they will adjust the future schedule, but that's about it. When the schedule cuts from the fake one to the "living" schedule at 4-5 months they do a large change, but it might not be apparent here because the frequencies are usually about the only thing that is accurate in their future schedule. So, in summary, if you are correct, it is probably related to the unusual way they manage their schedule.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32689 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9127 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
Yes, the strength of the BZE market has always been west of the Mississippi.

No, it's not. IAH is the largest local market from BZE and DFW the third largest, but all the others are east of the Mississipi sans LAX.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
You also have DL hammering AA on the east coast and UA now starting to build EWR to BZE. US is also catching the lower yield stuff upstream (like church groups). Pretty much only thing left for AA to hold onto in MIA is FL, VFR to MIA, and Caribbean and European traffic. That is sizable (especially the Caribbean traffic) but it is not enough to fill 2 738s every day.

Why do you make stuff up? AA is the marketshare leader in all but three East Coast-BZE markets (ATL, CLT and PHL). It also commands the highest average fare. It's also the marketshare leader in LAXBZE. How exactly are DL and US hammering AA when MIDT data shows that they aren't able to 1) grab marketshare leadership in any large market past it's hubs and 2) grab a higher average fare in any market past its hubs?

UA/CO is strong in BZE -always have been - but DL and US remain weak behind AA/UA.
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
The cut in frequency will also help them to keep the yields high

You do realize this is the same reduction in two weekly flights AA puts on MIABZE almost every fall and winter, right? It's back to twice daily in June.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8706 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 PHL-CUN FEB 0.5>0.4 MAR 0.6>0.5

Even as a contract I'm surprised F9 continues to operate this flight for Apple from PHL. Airport fees for less than daily ops at PHL can't be cheap. Although this appears to be a seasonal adjustment why not move it to TTN 40 miles to the NNE of PHL where you operate a focus city. Even if they had to shuttle folks between PHL and TTN.



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User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 885 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8604 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 12):
I'm not doubting this route's performance, but do you think this could be a preemptive strike to try to hold off WN from trying to fly DSM-east?

I'm usually eager to believe such things, but 1) I don't think that would discourage WN and 2) I don't think it would affect them much at all. It's probably highly local and the domestic connect options would not be big markets for WN.

WHOA..watch out Southwest!! United is adding an E145 DSM-EWR.

Kidding aside, I think this is more to feed the evening European push than to preempt WN from adding service to DSM.


User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8536 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA ORD-DSM APR 6>7 MAY 6>7

Looks like AA isn't too concerned with the DSM-CHI being oversaturated even with WN running DSM-MDW now. UA has cut back on their mainline though.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Looks like COS is about finished with

Guess I'm not too shocked at this. F9 has been chopping a little at COS on some of the previous schedule changes.
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA EWR-DSM MAY 0.9>1.9 JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
Quoting evanbu (Reply 10):
Wow. DSM-EWR goes twice daily? Well I guess that answers any questions on how the service is performing. Very well timed flight for those evening Europe flights.
Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 12):
m not doubting this route's performance, but do you think this could be a preemptive strike to try to hold off WN from trying to fly DSM-east? WN hasn't done much with DSM, and it seems like the other carriers in the market are trying to hold their own.
Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 12):I'm not doubting this route's performance, but do you think this could be a preemptive strike to try to hold off WN from trying to fly DSM-east?
I'm usually eager to believe such things, but 1) I don't think that would discourage WN and 2) I don't think it would affect them much at all. It's probably highly local and the domestic connect options would not be big markets for WN.

I would tend to agree. Plus, most of the east coast stuff is well covered from MDW anyway. DL ended DSM-LGA back in September of 2010 and cited poor loads (25% load-factor) as the reason.

A little history on DSM-EWR - it was first started in in July of 2000 as twice daily at the same time as DSM-IAH (also twice daily). The flights however were very poorly timed for a business trip (first departure was 11:30am on DSM-EWR, last return at 3:30pm). The DSM-EWR service ended in October of 2003 and MAH4546 stated it was due to poor loads. The latest round of DSM-EWR service started in May of 2011 (as 1x daily).



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8306 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA JFK-SXM APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.6

Delayed start because of something with the feds, according to one of my friends. Please confirm.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 DEN-PHX MAR 5>6
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 COS-PHX MAR 0.8>0.6 APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 0.8>0.3 JUN 1.0>0.3 JUL 0.3>0.1

Looks like F9 doesn't like COS so much.



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User currently onlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8238 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 23):
Looks like F9 doesn't like COS so much.

I think it is the other way around.


25 mariner : Delayed arrival of an incoming aircraft doesn't help. It has a knock-on effect through the system and even affects DEN-CID Saturday service. Despite
26 SCL767 : LAN Perú operates the LIM-MIA route 17x weekly non-stop.
27 iowaman : I'd be interested in listening if you care to elaborate a little more on what the situation is with that. It appears it may be affecting DEN-DSM serv
28 mariner : I'm not quite sure what more there is to say - beyond the obvious. As is fairly well known, several aircraft (E190's and A319's) are leaving Frontier
29 yellowtail : That depends on what you define as a local market. Give me /pm me your email and I will show you where i get my figures. I will send you the official
30 brilondon : This is his method for indicating 4 or .6 to 3 or .4 flights per week. When you have a daily flight you get 1.0. He has explained this before when I
31 LAXdude1023 : I would define it as this: Largest markets to/from BZE: Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 64 PDEW Houston: 42 PDEW Dallas: 40 PDEW Los Angeles: 34 PDEW NYC: 33
32 yellowtail : One must look at data in context Of that 64 from MIA, 58 are VFR, only 6 are tourism related. Of that 42 from IAH, 36 are tourism related of that 40
33 Post contains links and images point2point : From the recently released Brooking Institute report on global travel to/from U.S. metropolitan areas, http://www.brookings.edu/research/interactives
34 yellowtail : I don't know how they compile their data but this 167. Belize City, Belize Latin America/Caribbean 34,725 24,451 -29.6% is wrong.
35 Post contains images point2point : Hmmmmm...? Could you please be more specific as to where this is? It is a huge report, and sending this info into my email would be fine, and then we
36 mah4546 : There is virtually no VFR traffic to Roatan. It is pure tourism from everywhere.
37 yellowtail : I PMd you
38 ERJ170 : That brookings site was interesting but it called out the Raleigh-Cary MSA and completely left out the Durham-Chapel Hill portion.. And the RDU area i
39 Post contains images point2point : There probably are some discrepancies with this. However, it is probably the most complete report of any that I've seen online that gives the pax sta
40 LAXdude1023 : How can the airline possible measure this? You might be misreading it. All its saying is that comparing 2003 and 2011, the traffic in 2011 was 29.6%
41 mah4546 : What does it matter what they called it? It's O&D for RDU, regardless if that passenger lives in Raleigh or drove in from Greensboro. Or, if the
42 ERJ170 : What does it matter what it's called? What does it matter what it's CALLED? It matters a great deal. Sorry if y Ou can't see that. If you look at the
43 Polot : What are you talking about? The Brookings site says nothing about the population of the metro area, it talks about the number of international passen
44 mah4546 : Please re-read what I said about the data and you will see how it doesn't matter. There is no data for what zip code somebody lives in. The O&D d
45 jetmatt777 : I remember when this route was announced with the other 9 routes. This one was starting at 1x daily, and was predicted to be the worst performer by o
46 ERJ170 : Hmmm.. Based off Brookings, I guess that RDU does well with its International service.. YYZ, LHR, and CUN seem to be right (although DL could instead
47 mah4546 : For what it's worth, this isn't "based on Brookings." All it did was make some 2011 MIDT data available publicly.
48 Post contains links enilria : U5 was there forever. I assume it works as well as it did in those days. They can't move it to TTN because of CBP. It'll be interesting to see if MCO
49 mariner : I did read that - several times - and I still don't understand it. I didn't see the need to list 'em all in every post - this has been discussed quit
50 enilria : 1 flight every day = 1. 1 flight 15 out of 30 days = 0.5. If you don't understand that, as you would say, I shrug. Why wouldn't they? If the prices a
51 mariner : Shrug away. I'm still trying to work it out, and using your formula. But you have told me - several times - that Frontier's schedule posted here can
52 enilria : Corrupted isn't the right word. It's just that some of their changes may not be considered large enough to make the report. It's the same filter for
53 mariner : I'd call it corrupt when one of these threads showed Frontier reducing TTN-MCO in March, which simply didn't happen and was not planned to happen. Th
54 OA412 : Once again, you present half the story and pretend that you have all the data and all the facts. What about year over year marketshare gains/losses o
55 mah4546 : I presented all the facts. Sorry you don't like the truth. What do you want to know about gains? AA picked up about three points in BZE-U.S. maketsha
56 enilria : That's what was published in OAG. End of story. The only thing that can happen is a change can be too small to appear. If it appears it is what is pu
57 Post contains links mariner : it's an open forum and if I see inaccurate information anywhere, I shall try to correct it. It has - to my knowledge - never been corrected here, oth
58 planespotting : NYC-DSM traffic will continue to grow, so it's nice to see that play out with the increase in frequency. Int'l traffic is also growing, so the timing
59 delta747tlv : Very interesting, so thats two 767 departures on mon, wed, and sat for most of the summer. Very nice to see after Summer11 when we only had a daily 7
60 enilria : OP NOTICE: Hi. Well, bad news. Once again (3rd time since Jan 2012) there were no reported changes in the OAG database for U.S. markets for the week o
61 Post contains images FlyingSicilian : you need a break
62 Post contains images enilria : Thanks, but it hardly helps. I had to do the full process just to be left with zero records of data. On another note, F9 will correct their future sc
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