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Emirates: What's The Deal With N. America?  
User currently offlineliftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 317 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23747 times:

I'm keen on knowing what the deal is with EK and North America, particularly the US. EK can do a lot of expansion into the US with huge amounts of cargo, especially in large cities like ORD and MIA. What's the deal?

This article: http://english.nuqudy.com/Gulf/Dubai%E2%80%99s_Emirates_Ey-1803 Mentions ORD and other cities but nothing on if they actually will happen.

Has EK announced any new routes for 2013 anyhow?


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25652 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23680 times:

Quoting liftsifter (Thread starter):

Has EK announced any new routes for 2013 anyhow?

EK begins service to WAW in February and just started service to ADL and LYS within the past month.


User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23517 times:

My take is that DXB isn't as brilliant of a connecting hub for North American traffic flows. I spoke with someone here in SEA who took EK from SEA-BKK. It was cheaper for them than flying via ICN or NRT, the two most logical connecting hubs, in fact the routing is 1/3 longer.

Now DXB is more reasonable hub for connecting to Africa, and its a brilliant hub for connecting to the south Asian sub-continent, but those regions aren't very strong for US traffic flows.


User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 23265 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
Has EK announced any new routes for 2013 anyhow?
EK begins service to WAW in February and just started service to ADL and LYS within the past month.

Rumour has it they will commence ARN in June.



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User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 23240 times:

Here I go...
1) Location. DXB isn't great for North American passengers. Most pax are to Europe or Pacific Asia. Better served in other places.
2) Among the general US population, EK isn't a big name. This is partly due to the lack of strong US presence, but EK ismuch more known in Europe and Asia.
3) Our types of flying. US rail service sucks! We fly for business waaayy too much. I like it that way, but it makes us quite often devoted Frequent Fliers. Ut might actually help on this front if EK had alliances or codeshares more than B6 in the US. We have our airline.
4) Our hell bent patriotism. I know people who would rather take US than BA just because it is a US airline and therefore "better." Also, the words "middle east" conjure terroristic images. This has noooooo bearing, especially in the UAE, but we won't change easily.
All that said...There is a market. The US is a major hole in a rapidly expanding EK network. We will see expansion in the US.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22986 times:

The south asian/ Middle east/ Africa traffic flow is good from cities like Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Washington D.C, New York/ Newark area, San Francisco, and, Los Angles.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13260 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22989 times:
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EK's revenue ex-North America has done well, but as others have noted, its only to certain destinations. Out of LAX, the planes (now down to 1X/day) seem to do quite well. JFK and IAH also do well. Does anyone know how IAD is doing? How about DFW?

What a concept to have this thread as it wasn't that long ago that EK started JFK as the first mid-east to US route back in 2004! Look how much they've grown to the America's in less than a decade. There is obviously demand.

Quoting Prost (Reply 2):
I spoke with someone here in SEA

The weakest of the North America destinations. I expect it to be dropped eventually. Occasionally EK does mis-predict demand. But as a 'numbers run' airline, they identify and correct their mistakes. e.g., dropping one flight from LAX until the economy recovers.

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 4):
We will see expansion in the US.

   I believe there is a lull until the mid-2013 deliveries of the high MTOW A388s with the wing twist. Those will have far better economics for DXB-Americas. They should bring SFO and LAX into A388 range. That will free up a number of long haul 777s for expansion.

Quoting Prost (Reply 2):
Now DXB is more reasonable hub for connecting to Africa, and its a brilliant hub for connecting to the south Asian sub-continent, but those regions aren't very strong for US traffic flows.

Maybe its living in Los Angeles, but I cannot swing a cat in a restaurant without hitting someone who will fly EK to those destinations within 60 days. Perhaps for other cities, but for IT outsourcing, "Bollywood", and trade, there is big demand to the sub-continent. The flows to Africa aren't huge, but with the rise of 'eco-tourism,' I know tons going that way. Yea... Ironic, but that is its own thread.

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User currently offlineliftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22946 times:

I can't fathom EY holding up ORD-AUH for more than 2 grand a return trip, and EK putting off ORD for years, when they offer a shorter trip (JFK-DXB) for quite less than that.

Seems pretty odd to me.



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User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22892 times:

EK will expand. I envision the upgraded 380s replacing 777s on to add capacity and overall reduce the A380 cost per flight. Don't forget EK has a lot of 77Ws and 350s on order. Great for testing the waters in the US.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13260 posts, RR: 100
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22833 times:
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For discussion,
EK made 10.9% of their revenue from the Americas. See pg. 41 of the 2011-2012 annual report:

http://www.theemiratesgroup.com/engl...h/facts-figures/annual-report.aspx

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 7):
ems pretty odd to me.

How much is EY helped with connections. If AA and EK do sign an agreement, ORD should be on the map quick (unless flown on AA metal).

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22785 times:

Why is Qatar Airways and Emirates looking to do connections with AA ?? Why UA,DL, or, US On UA website they offer Emirates if you want to go to Karachi. I know UA and Qatar use to have partnership.

User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22745 times:

QR is joining OW. As far as connections go, AA has large cities/destinations for hubs. Good O&D and connections. AA is probably looking for ways to get any revenue and would probably sign an agreement. Also, codeshares aren't just one airline saying "fly my pax!" Its a deal. AA wants it, UA is focusing more on East Asia. US has a QR codeshare. The airlines will go with the best codeshares.

User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4508 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22731 times:

EK keeps growing on its North America routes:

* it has just upgauged LAX from B77L to B77W
* on January 01, it will upgauge the second daily JFK rotation from B77W to A388
* on February 01, it will upgauge IAD from B77L to B77W

The SEA and DFW routes have been performing better and better and will ultimaltely upgauge to B77W as well.

I would fully expect EK to announce one or even two new US destinations for a 2013 launch and my money is on BOS from May or June and MIA from October or November.


User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22694 times:

BOS, MIA, ORD, SFO or *small chance* IAH could be announced next year.

User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2090 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22644 times:

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 13):
BOS, MIA, ORD, SFO or *small chance* IAH could be announced next year.

EK has been flying to SFO since 2008 and IAH even earlier. Suggest you check their route map.



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User currently offlinenrt1011 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22626 times:

How is EK doing on its DXB-YYZ-DXB route?

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22595 times:

IAH was like EK 2nd NA destination.

User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3681 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 22273 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 16):
IAH was like EK 2nd NA destination.

It was not like EK 2nd NA destination it IS EK's 2nd North American city.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 22176 times:

Hopefully the double daily will come back if not atleast some days will be double daily. Or one big A380.

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 22021 times:

Rumor has it Boston and Miami are next. Daily to BOS from 02-Jul-13 and daily to Miami from 01-Oct-13.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 5):

The south asian/ Middle east/ Africa traffic flow is good from cities like Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Washington D.C, New York/ Newark area, San Francisco, and, Los Angles.


It's way more than that. Atlanta, Boston, Detroit, Miami, Philadelphia and Seattle also all have large local markets to these regions, especially India.

[Edited 2012-12-29 01:49:21]


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User currently offlinethekennady From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 21963 times:

Quoting Prost (Reply 2):
My take is that DXB isn't as brilliant of a connecting hub for North American traffic flows


Correct. It isnt because its located to far to the east for Europe, most of the middle east and Africa. Its ideal for connections to places like India, pakistan, yemen, even saudi. However, most traffic into DXB does not come from North America. EK makes lots of money tranfering people between Europe and Asia. If u noticed, EK has some of the longest routes from North America in general, being a gulf carrier and not having to pay high fuel prices contributes to routes like DXB-SFO/LAX/DFW/IAH being sucessful, Along with cargo. I can only see them adding 3-4 more cities in North America before they spread themselves too thin in the market. ORD will be announched sooner than later, BOS, DTW, MEX(hot and high),MIA are most likely


User currently offlinejcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21688 times:

3 things holding up ORD as it was told to me by EK.

1. Aircraft delivery
2. Price of fuel, yes they do look at that when numbers are being crunched.
3. Senior management

No doubt all basic items for any city, but if EK was hell bent to match QR starting up ORD sevice, we would have seen a press release by now.

ORD was submitted for S13 for the Slot conference (daily 1445 arrival), but during discussions it became more clear it will probably be the W13 season or really late S13 (Sept/Oct)

The only issue I see, is them being locked out during the peak times for ORD (1400-1600) if they don't get in sooner than later for arriving connections.


User currently offlinethekennady From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 21123 times:

Who Will EK with at ORD for connections? Can ORD support all 3 gulf carriers going daily along with RJ, TK, and with AI to india? gonna get crouded to that region soon, it would be great for ORD to keep them all

User currently offlinethekennady From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 20442 times:

Amazing! just a matter of minutes after i posted the previous comment, a EK 77W came right over my head enroute DXB-KWI! A sign of things to come.....

User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1387 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 20337 times:

Quoting thekennady (Reply 20):
and not having to pay high fuel prices

Do elaborate. How, exactly, does EK secure lower fuel prices? Or are you, as one might suspect, merely sprouting unfounded garbage based on prejudice and rumours?



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25 SCQ83 : DXB-USA are also ULH routes. It is easier to make profitable (and set more frequencies) much shorter routes to Europe and Asia. Some European routes a
26 FlyingHollander : I assume you mean the same length as LON-NYC?
27 SCQ83 : Sure, my mistake!
28 thekennady : EK has a 1 hub operation, they dont pay taxes on fuel bought from the UAE. This allows them to have a advantage in the long haul market, as well as o
29 B777LRF : So, it was unfounded garbage. Here's two bits of news for you. 1) No commercial airline pays tax on aviation fuel. It's against the Warsaw pact. 2) D
30 Post contains images PanHAM : The Warsaw pact was an Eastern Block military counterpart to NATO What you mean is the Chicago convention and its various amendments and follow up co
31 vinniewinnie : Cause EK doesn't refuel at IAH or Lax correct? They carry fuel for both legs of journey! That is a baseless claim honestly even if your statement was
32 jfk777 : EK curently flies to JFK, IAD, IAH, DFW, LAX, SFO and SEA. Boston, Miami, and Chicago are really the only cities missing in the USA from their route m
33 thekennady : Yes and relies heavily on connections to support it. QR is looking at ATL with a 787, may add another reason EK stays out of ATL.
34 Post contains images B777LRF : Of course, thanks for the correction
35 Post contains links adamh8297 : Plenty of connections available. They interline with UA and AA plus anyone else serving ORD except for NK and surprisingly AM. http://www.emirates.co
36 LAXintl : Here are someEK North America load factors this year through October. DFW - 74.4% LAX - 85.6% SEA - 69.2% For info, EK is doing real well with some Af
37 hohd : EK flies to surprisingly large number of US destinations considering the distance to DXB and viable connections only to Indian subcontinent, Middle Ea
38 UA787DEN : Hohd: EK serves a surprising number of destinations period due to the location, distance, and connection options.
39 miaintl : Where are you getting this info from? Is this already uploaded in the GDS? Miami does not have the yields to support EK's mostly premium products. Ke
40 mah4546 : 1) Average fares between Miami and the Arabian Gulf are very high. The premium-configured EK planes will have little problem from Miami. Why do you m
41 q120 : I have to agree that cannot be done. However, if they do get fuel subsidizing for one leg of the trip (out of Dubai) that is a competitive advantage
42 liftsifter : Not paying tax on that fuel is not EK getting an unfair advantage, it's EK being strategically positioned in a tax free environment. EK pays fair tax
43 Post contains links and images point2point : From the recent Brookings Institute report on U.S. metro areas pax into ex- boarder destinations for the year of 2011 http://www.brookings.edu/researc
44 miaintl : Just because the fares are high does not mean its a high-yielding market. What Gulf companies or corporations are based in Miami? What ties does Miam
45 YYCspotter : I have heard rumors that EK was looking to start DXB-YYZ-YYC or something along the lines of that. Probably unlikely that they would go through with i
46 liftsifter : I heard that somewhere too. Also heard something about Canadian authorities not being too kind to the idea of EK having a larger presence in Canada.
47 mah4546 : When the average one-way fare exceeds $1,500, as it does in MIADXB, then, yes, it's a high-yielding market. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
48 Viscount724 : Even EK's lowest-density 77Ws are high-density compared to certain other carriers operating the same type. Compare EK's 77Ws with ANA's longhaul 77Ws
49 jonathanxxxx : It doesn't...? Excuse my ignorance but then what exactly does high yielding mean..? Very interesting list.... So basically the largest markets not se
50 mah4546 : Local markets grew between 300 and 800% after EK entered (or, in the case of IAD, UA and ATL, DL). BOS, MIA, etc. would no doubt see the same growth.
51 UA787DEN : So adding in a minimum 300% growth rate, ORD has 129 O&D pax daily. Given that the growth will probably be at least 350% and all of the connection
52 wedgetail737 : SEA is the smallest of the EK's North American markets.
53 EK413 : Even though flights which have been previously operated by a B77L & up graded to a B77W bare in mind the flights have weight restrictions... You
54 captainstefan : What a coincidence - while at the EK ticket counter in BKK this past June, I ran into a couple from SEA who said the exact same thing. The guy was a
55 HB-IWC : If and when EK starts BOS, MIA or ORD, it will be with B77L or B77W, both of which have 8 First and 42 Business in the main cabin. Those are not tine
56 HB-IWC : The number quoted reflects performance for the year until October. While SEA arguably had a very shaky start for EK, the route is doing much better n
57 lightsaber : Sounds like that route is doing well. Any indications on the premium cabin yields? Thank you. I agree on MIA, I'd like to know a bit more about the d
58 UA787DEN : I would take EK over any US carrier. As for SEA 77W, it might upgauge only for the sake of freeing up some other planes to start other US service. It
59 Post contains images point2point : Okay...... gotta do DEN here. Assuming the high range that the market here can be stimulated 800%, that would put this in the range of 150 daily pax.
60 UA787DEN : EK Ad: *Emirates now serves both Seattle and Denver. Fly our product on the Pot hub route and get free 0.1 oz of Marijuana. To all in Colorado and Was
61 PITrules : What's interesting, according to point2point's link, is that many if not most markets without service to DXB had similar growth figures between 2003
62 LAXintl : According to EK spokesperson Steve Double, during 2009 transfer traffic accounted for about 70 percent of its total enplanements. And regarding the l
63 mah4546 : DEN will not stimulate on the high-range. Strong tourism markets stimulate on the high range. MIA and MCO could maybe stimulate 800% over a decade, b
64 PITrules : EK only handles about half of DXB's total passengers. The other 100+ airlines are carrying mostly O&D. Also, the DXB airport growth percentages a
65 Post contains images point2point : That would be cool....... and in order to get around the smoking regulations on the airlines, I guess that they could do something with pot like they
66 UA787DEN : EK and FlyDubai (and soon Qantas) are the only carriers connecting pax in Dubai. Almost all other pax are O&D.
67 mah4546 : That is simply not true at all. Dubai is one the biggest interline transfer points in the world. Daily, thousands upon thousands transfer at DXB betw
68 UA787DEN : It is a huge connecting hub. But as far as carriers that operate large connecting hubs there EK and flydubai are really it. AI has many destinations,
69 FI642 : I see WN code sharing with another carrier long before this is even though of. They are working on a code share from one of their fortress hubs to do
70 Post contains images LAXintl : Outside of a place like FRA a huge Star hub, Dubai has one of the highest beyond connection bookings percentage for United Airlines. For example on a
71 HB-IWC : Not going to happen. EK starts new destinations with daily flights unless bilateral restrictions prohibits it from doing so. Any new US destinations
72 bagoldex : I haven't paid much attention to Seattle's numbers but relative to Miami, Boston is a significantly larger market to the Middle East, India and far S
73 UA787DEN : So IF they laugh DEN in, say, 8 or 10 years on a 359, it will be daily. OK.
74 Post contains images point2point : I could more than likely agree with you on this. However, there is a unique opportunity here (who knows how long and what direction this will go) wit
75 LAXintl : Denver cannot happen on performance grounds. Tire speed restrictions already limit 777 ops to Europe. With heavier weights, the ground speed needed to
76 UA787DEN : I honestly don't think Colorado will legalize gambling. Though I know some that say we will legalize child prostitution as a chain reaction to the mar
77 Post contains images point2point : Well..... if so....... that's a bummer........ How about a 787 or A380?
78 UA787DEN : How fast must a DXB 772 go to takeoff from DEN? How about a 787/350? (If stats are good enough yet)
79 nrt1011 : I saw a similar city discussion around Calgary. Denver is very similar, it is simply NOT big enough to warrant a large Asia-DEN or Europe-DEN presence
80 Post contains images point2point : Oh, we definitely accept who we are........ many good things about it........
81 UA787DEN : NOBODY REALLY GETS DEN. NOBODY. It is the international airport for all of Colorado. There are connections from COS and EGE, but DEN is still a huge a
82 UA787DEN : And yes, we know who we are. We have a huge percentage of our traffic as domestic. I think 93%. Even higher short haul. And yet...we are the most awes
83 OB1504 : I just checked SABRE and couldn't find any nonstops. Mark isn't the type of person to post unsubstantiated claims, so even if he can't cite his sourc
84 lightsaber : Thank you. Its always good to talk to numbers. I assume those are annual figures? Certainly high enough to attract EK. I've noted that, but I wonder
85 UA787DEN : The best sources are often people in the loop. But to EK (If this is true): A.net strikes again! We know your new route yet to be announced!! Ha!!
86 nrt1011 : Yes a great city and so nice to see you are proud. I hope those international aspirations come soon
87 UA787DEN : Nah I'm just dreaming. We might get such service someday, but it will be a loooooooonnnng time. Do love DEN, and if Mark is right, congrats MIA! I won
88 liftsifter : Out of curiosity, most airlines have fares to JFK much cheaper than ORD. Any idea if EK will most likely go with a fare similar to QR (~$1700 H/S) or
89 bagoldex : Yes, annual figures for 2011 from the above-mentioned Brookings report.
90 mah4546 : There's no doubting that, but BOS is the only major airport in the region, so it takes significant leakage from all over New England, whereas MIA/FLL
91 wedgetail737 : Don't forget the tonnage of freight EK may carry between SEA and DXB...a great way for EK to obtain spares directly from the Boeing Spares Center, ju
92 HB-IWC : Let's nevertheless not forget that a mere 10 months ago ORD had a proposed schedule, a slot application and flight numbers for an early July start an
93 connies4ever : All this talk about EK coming to YYC is just that: talk. It would be a marginal market for EK at best. In reality, what it is is a stalking horse for
94 Post contains images SCQ83 : I wonder what will happen if EK finally announces BOS and MIA for next year. Will this keep QR and TK away for a while? They have told zillions of tim
95 UA787DEN : Yeah...I don't think pot will cause pround EK to come to DEN. I think that both MIA and BOS will work, and as SCQ83 said, for somewhat different reaso
96 lightsaber : But an expensive way to obtain the spares too that would limit the route to a 77L if there is significant tonnage. I suspect EK isn't carrying that m
97 Post contains links adamh8297 : My prediction assuming BOS-DXB and MIA-DXB are announced: BOS: TK jumps into BOS 4 weekly as seen in the link below. QR stays out of BOS for awhile.
98 yellowtail : Don't forget EK will do well in MIA with connecting pax from the Caribbean and C/S America. A couple of pax of each AA flight from places like TGU, K
99 UA787DEN : Combine cargo and central America/Caribbean, and MIA should be nice and profitable. Plus, they could cut fares 20% from what MIA-Gulf is right now and
100 lightsaber : What is the status of EK and AA? I suspect that will determine when ORD starts (or if it is on an AA 77W, for AA will want something out of any allia
101 wedgetail737 : In my opinion, I don't think EK will upgauge the equipment on the DXB-SEA flights from 77L to 77W for a while, unless they see an overwhelming need to
102 mcogator : I recently flew DXB-ATL-MCO on November 25th. I was in Economy Comfort, and most of my surrounding passengers looked like they were military, with the
103 mcogator : I was looking at total flying times from Miami to BKK, and if EK offers a non-stop flight to DXB, they should be the quickest route, or as quick as th
104 Post contains links adamh8297 : It would be longer (via distance) but connecting wise DXB is probably a better experience than connecting through CDG. You have to factor in the futu
105 mcogator : I was only quoting flying time according to the respective carriers and not travel time as this could vary widely. But if we were basing on connectio
106 Malayil : How about EWR or PHL? I know they are way down the list for EK with MIA, ORD, BOS and ATL in the pecking order but there is still a lot of demand from
107 lightsaber : Nitpick, but if EK let load factors get that high they would be throwing away money due to the seasonality of the routes. I expect upgauge when load
108 ChrisNH : Would the route of flight for a MIA run overfly Boston? Would it take a NAT track? If so, would it be suicidal to run Dubai-Boston-Miami-Boston-Dubai?
109 mah4546 : . Back then, passengers didn't have to deplane at te intermediate stop. Today, however, they do. Further, neither market needs each other. Boston and
110 liftsifter : Is EK even capable of acquiring rights to fly MIA-BOS legally? Or is that all good, after deregulation?
111 mah4546 : EK is absolutely allowed to fly MIABOS, but passengers cannot be domestic. But they also don't have to be continuing on the same plane. Under a hypot
112 ojas : AFAIK, the DXB - ATL flight of DL continues to MIA. How much of that will act as a "competition" to the supposed DXB - MIA EK flight? I'm curious to
113 Viscount724 : If they operated DXB-YYZ-MIA they could sell 5th freedom traffic YYZ-MIA as the bilateral gives them 5th freedom rights to intermediate or beyond poi
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