liftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 22337 times:
I'm keen on knowing what the deal is with EK and North America, particularly the US. EK can do a lot of expansion into the US with huge amounts of cargo, especially in large cities like ORD and MIA. What's the deal?
Prost From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 199 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 22107 times:
My take is that DXB isn't as brilliant of a connecting hub for North American traffic flows. I spoke with someone here in SEA who took EK from SEA-BKK. It was cheaper for them than flying via ICN or NRT, the two most logical connecting hubs, in fact the routing is 1/3 longer.
Now DXB is more reasonable hub for connecting to Africa, and its a brilliant hub for connecting to the south Asian sub-continent, but those regions aren't very strong for US traffic flows.
UA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21830 times:
Here I go...
1) Location. DXB isn't great for North American passengers. Most pax are to Europe or Pacific Asia. Better served in other places.
2) Among the general US population, EK isn't a big name. This is partly due to the lack of strong US presence, but EK ismuch more known in Europe and Asia.
3) Our types of flying. US rail service sucks! We fly for business waaayy too much. I like it that way, but it makes us quite often devoted Frequent Fliers. Ut might actually help on this front if EK had alliances or codeshares more than B6 in the US. We have our airline.
4) Our hell bent patriotism. I know people who would rather take US than BA just because it is a US airline and therefore "better." Also, the words "middle east" conjure terroristic images. This has noooooo bearing, especially in the UAE, but we won't change easily.
All that said...There is a market. The US is a major hole in a rapidly expanding EK network. We will see expansion in the US.
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10886 posts, RR: 100 Reply 6, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21579 times:
EK's revenue ex-North America has done well, but as others have noted, its only to certain destinations. Out of LAX, the planes (now down to 1X/day) seem to do quite well. JFK and IAH also do well. Does anyone know how IAD is doing? How about DFW?
What a concept to have this thread as it wasn't that long ago that EK started JFK as the first mid-east to US route back in 2004! Look how much they've grown to the America's in less than a decade. There is obviously demand.
The weakest of the North America destinations. I expect it to be dropped eventually. Occasionally EK does mis-predict demand. But as a 'numbers run' airline, they identify and correct their mistakes. e.g., dropping one flight from LAX until the economy recovers.
I believe there is a lull until the mid-2013 deliveries of the high MTOW A388s with the wing twist. Those will have far better economics for DXB-Americas. They should bring SFO and LAX into A388 range. That will free up a number of long haul 777s for expansion.
Quoting Prost (Reply 2): Now DXB is more reasonable hub for connecting to Africa, and its a brilliant hub for connecting to the south Asian sub-continent, but those regions aren't very strong for US traffic flows.
Maybe its living in Los Angeles, but I cannot swing a cat in a restaurant without hitting someone who will fly EK to those destinations within 60 days. Perhaps for other cities, but for IT outsourcing, "Bollywood", and trade, there is big demand to the sub-continent. The flows to Africa aren't huge, but with the rise of 'eco-tourism,' I know tons going that way. Yea... Ironic, but that is its own thread.
UA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21482 times:
EK will expand. I envision the upgraded 380s replacing 777s on to add capacity and overall reduce the A380 cost per flight. Don't forget EK has a lot of 77Ws and 350s on order. Great for testing the waters in the US.
UA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 21335 times:
QR is joining OW. As far as connections go, AA has large cities/destinations for hubs. Good O&D and connections. AA is probably looking for ways to get any revenue and would probably sign an agreement. Also, codeshares aren't just one airline saying "fly my pax!" Its a deal. AA wants it, UA is focusing more on East Asia. US has a QR codeshare. The airlines will go with the best codeshares.
thekennady From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 101 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20553 times:
Quoting Prost (Reply 2): My take is that DXB isn't as brilliant of a connecting hub for North American traffic flows
Correct. It isnt because its located to far to the east for Europe, most of the middle east and Africa. Its ideal for connections to places like India, pakistan, yemen, even saudi. However, most traffic into DXB does not come from North America. EK makes lots of money tranfering people between Europe and Asia. If u noticed, EK has some of the longest routes from North America in general, being a gulf carrier and not having to pay high fuel prices contributes to routes like DXB-SFO/LAX/DFW/IAH being sucessful, Along with cargo. I can only see them adding 3-4 more cities in North America before they spread themselves too thin in the market. ORD will be announched sooner than later, BOS, DTW, MEX(hot and high),MIA are most likely
thekennady From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 101 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19713 times:
Who Will EK with at ORD for connections? Can ORD support all 3 gulf carriers going daily along with RJ, TK, and with AI to india? gonna get crouded to that region soon, it would be great for ORD to keep them all