MSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9207 times:
IIRC PI took delivery of 6 767's and US took the remaining 6 after the merger, and the dumbest thing IMO US did not exercise the options on the other 12 762ER's.
The first Route was TPA-CLT-LGW-CLT-TPA. Other than familiarization flights upon introduction of the type.
Other routes operated off the top of my head were CLT-MCO/TPA/LAX/MIA/BWI. I think we operated BWI-LAX for a time.
I think CLT-FRA was announced, but did not start until after US took over. With out checking the Data base, I seem to recall we received 3 in PI colors the other 3 polished AL w/Piedmont decals.
I'm sure someone here with a time table may be able to nail this down, but my memory just isnt that good. The merger with US in the middle of all this just makes it difficult for me to remember.
Just as PI was the lauch customer for the 734, but we never received one in PI colors, just polished AL with crappy decals!!
The First Class service was good. We had China, Glassware and stainless silverware. Hot Towel Service on Intl and West coast flights. The pax seemed to like it, I had only been on one EAL flight in First and it was a late night flight ATL-MSY, so I had nothing to personally compare it to. The EAL flight for me was just a larger seat and free drinks, nothing special.
I really enjoyed the First Class on PI, but then as I said, I have nothing else to compare it to. PI intented their FC to be one of the premier FC products among the legacy carriers, but IIRC the merger quickly scaled that back.
PITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3152 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9174 times:
Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 2): IIRC PI took delivery of 6 767's and US took the remaining 6 after the merger, and the dumbest thing IMO US did not exercise the options on the other 12 762ER's.
PI ordered 6 767s and 6 options. After the merger, US exercised the options for those 6 additional a/c for a total of 12 frames. I'm not sure where you are getting "the options on the other 12 762ER's" (for a total of 24) from?
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9101 times:
Piedmont didn't enjoy the "glow" from their 767 for long since they merged soon after. CLT to London was the route which the 767 allowed Piedmont to launch. Surely Piedmont would have launched more European flights from CLT and BWI.
802flyguy From United States of America, joined May 2012, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8496 times:
The PI F/C service on 767 was very nice indeed (as it was in 727 days, when PI only had F/C on Calif flights. Even Y class was nothing to sneeze at, with how towels and free (CA, of course) wines.
The original PI seating was 25/185, with F/C in 2-1-2; the F/C seats offered great room and recline (although not lie flat). It was changed to 24 seats in 2-2-2 during the BA wetlease/codeshare days, actually a bit of a downgrade to match BA C class standard.
CLT-LAX flights on the 767 commenced in early summer of '87; BWI-LAX (a new market for PI) followed later. (Early 88?)
Until shortly after the US merger, the 767 audio entertainment had a UAL Ch9 style ATC/pilot channel, although I don't think that was advertised.
Those who been around PI for a while had seen their airline go from a local service carrier with YS-11s and FH-227s hopping across the Mid-South to flying wide body jets across eight time zones, a bit of a source of pride.
IAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8175 times:
Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 2): Just as PI was the lauch customer for the 734, but we never received one in PI colors, just polished AL with crappy decals!!
I thought US was the launch customer, but know thinking about it you're probably correct.....damn I hate it that PI is gone, loved their service top to bottom and the Piedmont Punch was fabulous. I still have one can sitting in my airplane room!
Any views shared are strictly my own and do not a represent those of any former employer.
n5014k From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8012 times:
I still miss PI very much. My home airport is BWI and while I acknowledge the benefit WN has brought to us I maintain that PI's service and attitude during its peak years were superior to those of just about every other domestic US airline. We had two Presidents Club rooms here, too.
I flew the 767 BWI-LAX-BWI many times and their first class service was quite good. On the flights I took the service was designated First Class, not Business class - I still have some boarding passes somewhere saying so. They had 2-1-2 seating in First, and I tried the single middle seat just once. It looked like it would be nicer than it was - the seats had hard "slabs" on either side of the seats and that made it tough to spread out. After than I found aisle seats somewhere else. For a while after US took them over I'd ask the nicest flight attendant working First Class if he or she was from PI and the answer almost always was "yes." My apologies to you US fans out there but in about 18 months I found US had either ruined or chased away the nicer PI folk. Different corporate cultures. Same thing when they took over PSA, for that matter. I gave up on USAir a couple of years later and switched back to DL, staying with them until they canceled the Flying Colonel program.
By the way, maybe there is no perfect way to do First Class in a 767 - Delta's 2-2-2 seating was uncomfortably cramped, certainly not a satisfactory successor to the 1011 from a passenger comfort point of view.
FI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7956 times:
I used to non-rev BWI-MCO-BWI on the PI 762's they always put me up front and treated me great. I do remember the
employees at BWI grumbling about the engine selection, which I always thought was strange. PI was in no way stupid
they weighted their options carefully. I really truly miss them. What a great carrier they were.
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802flyguy From United States of America, joined May 2012, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7657 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
N603P became N245AY
N604P became N246AY
N605P became EI-DBW (Transaero)
N606P became N248AY
N614P became N249AU
N614P became N250AY
Too lazy to look it up on rzjets, there was an N607P in the original PI order; it had reputation as a "hangar queen". IIRC, it was this ship that suffered a tail strike on landing at LAX not long after the start of PI's 767 service there. It sat in the old AA hangars for a couple of weeks, as PI and Boeing engineers and techs pored over it. In the wake of the JAL123 disaster, the rear pressure bulkhead received a great deal of attention indeed. With that plane out of commission, the morning LAX-CLT was downguaged to a 727-200; PI took a lot of oversales for a while
zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6881 times:
I remember back in the days of Reagan/Bush that Piedmont flew the 767 from BWI to LGW on a red eye flight. Where out of MIA did the 767 fly for Piedmont? I thought Miami only got Piedmont 737's, Fokkers and maybe a DC 9.
Back before the days of the Internet, one could subscribe to a monthly publication filled with seat charts of all airlines. There was an International version as well as a Domestic version. They were about the size of an airline timetable.
This seat chart appears to come from that publication.
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connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6391 times:
Quoting n5014k (Reply 9): My apologies to you US fans out there but in about 18 months I found US had either ruined or chased away the nicer PI folk. Different corporate cultures.
One major reason why mergers don't work the way bean counters tell you. See: AC & CP. Ten years ago and more, there are still grievances being argued about it, drags down overall performance. As well as lingering "us vs them" mentality.
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6378 times:
Quoting n5014k (Reply 9): By the way, maybe there is no perfect way to do First Class in a 767 - Delta's 2-2-2 seating was uncomfortably cramped, certainly not a satisfactory successor to the 1011 from a passenger comfort point of view.
As delivered, DL's -200s had 24 FC seats, in a 2-2-2 configuration. After complaints of cramped seating, 1 row of FC was removed, making it 18 seats.
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wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5896 times:
Quoting mayor (Reply 17): As delivered, DL's -200s had 24 FC seats, in a 2-2-2 configuration. After complaints of cramped seating, 1 row of FC was removed, making it 18 seats.
Off the overall subject but inline with your specific subject... I flew 1st class on USAir (not US Airways at the time) BAe-146 from OAK-LAX and the guy next to me was an international flier. He made it pretty clear that the first class in those airplanes sucked...no legroom. He told me that he shouldn't have to touch the monumment in front of him when he crossed his legs while seated.