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Australian Aviation Thread # 67  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 660 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 27094 times:

G'day and welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 67. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* Air NZ confirms a second season of Sunshine Coast - Auckland flights (op by A320s)
* Virgin Australia debuts its new Business Class on its E190 fleet
* QantasLink's first 717-200 returns to service with the new 125Y configuration and refreshed interior
* Hawaiian Airlines inaugurates services to Brisbane (767 N588HA operates first flight)
* Qantas 767-300 VH-ZXB departs Australian shores (the first of the ex-BA 767s to leave)
* Lengthy discussion about the curfew at Sydney Airport and diversions
* Progress on Canberra Airport terminal works
* Virgin Australia's corporate structure and share registry
* Qantas' services to Honolulu
* Qantas announces all weekday MEL/SYD-PER services to be operated by A330s come May 2013
* QF crew bases
* HiFly's A340-300 and operations
* Sydney - Dallas, Dallas - Brisbane/Sydney load factors for Sep 2012
* Future flights to Dallas from both Brisbane and Sydney - for and against discussion
* Emirates cancels an EK4143 service
* Update on Qantas' refurbishment of some of the 767-300 fleet
* Thai Airways operates a number of 747 charter flights
* China Southern rumoured to be suspending Perth services from April 2013
* Qantas reportedly set to upgrade/refurbish its Internationally-configured A330s
* CAPA reports that Aerolineas services to SYD are now profitable post elimination of AKL stopover
* Euroatlantic 777-200ER visits Sydney operating NAN services on behalf of Air Pacific
* Qatar Airways loads 787 on its PER-DOH route in GDS/booking engine
* Brindabella Airlines confirms it'll enter the Sydney-Orange market from February 2013
* Wagners gains approval to build a jet-capable Airport on the outer skirts of Toowoomba
* JetGo reportedly looking to operate ERJ services out of Bundaberg to Brisbane and Sydney
* Virgin Australia expresses its desire to operate in to regional QLD markets such as Roma
* Air New Zealand 'Hobbit' livery (777-300ER ZK-OKP) makes it debut on Australian services
* Air Canada reportedly looking at expanding services to MEL
* Singapore Airlines announces new fourth daily MEL service
* Etihad signs a $6m, three year partnership with Tourism Australia
* Qantas starts selling EK operated codeshare flights to MAN and MXP on its website
* China Southern reportedly keen to operate Australia or NZ services to South America
* QF21 SYD-NRT 17DEC12 diverts to CNS due to disruptive passenger
* QF8 diverts to Auckland
* CASA supends Barrier Aviation's (based in Far North Queensland) AOC

Thanks for supporting the Australian Aviation Thread throughout 2012, wishing everyone a very happy and prosperous New Year         

Cheers

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 660 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 27121 times:

TravelDaily from 17DEC12 suggests China Eastern is keen to expand its Australian presence.

Quote:
MU wants more Aust ports

CHINA Eastern Airlines is the latest carrier to set its sights on Australia, with the rapidly growing airline wanting to boost its current offering of nine weekly services ex Sydney, daily flights ex MEL and three weekly ex CNS.

MU gm Oceania, Kathy Zhang, told TD the airline wants to add more Australian cities to its network as it continues to expand worldwide.

“Stay tuned,” she said.

Article continues...


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Anyone keen to make their 2013 predictions regarding the Australian Aviation industry?

     

     

[Edited 2012-12-30 03:00:37]

User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 660 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 27104 times:

Please delete................

[Edited 2012-12-30 03:01:04]

User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 26922 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):
Anyone keen to make their 2013 predictions regarding the Australian Aviation industry?

a few things (MEL related):

Terminals/Airfield/Ground Transport/Planning related:

- The full plans for T3+T4 expansion will be released in the first quarter (I've eye-balled a few renders of the new LCC terminal (T4) where Tiger currently sits already) and construction will start this year - probably a 2 year timeframe for completion.
- Failleu Government's Tulla rail link study will be presented to the government at some point in the year, my tip: Rail link 10 year timeframe, "Albion" corridor option [given that all the airport masterplans are getting more and more detail of how a rail line will approach the terminals] preferred (just like previous studies!).
- Possibly some more whinging from the taxi and road lobbies to get the Airport Drive / 2nd access point (to compliment Tulla FWY access) coming from the Calder FWY off the ground.
- AVV rail link study will also be presented to Failleu, they'll sing its praises and then suddenly find that they dont want to spend the couple of hundred mil on an airport that's getting a mere fraction of the passengers the primary airport gets up the road.
- More noise from Linfox on AVV international terminals (good luck to them..................[crickets]........)
- The NIMBY/Greenie movement will mobilise on longshot Tooradin / 3rd airport for Melbourne.

Flights:

The Americas:
- SA)">UA might unveil plans to start a year round direct non-stop flight with 787s (they're fleet planning most likely underway now in full swing) - hoping for a SFO-MEL,
- VA/DL increase weekly frequencies to LAX, that would require SA)">DL to fly 4x weekly - possibly a longer-than-12-month timeframe.
- possibly more noise from AC on a YVR-MEL route.
- [longshot] noise from LA / AR to start MEL via AKL.

Asia:
- Royal Brunei could cease given they have ceased elsewhere in AU
- More noise from Skymark about NRT/HND-MEL services.
- KE back on seasonal basis
- Full de-linking of the 3rd flight via ADL on CX, (already talked about) - likely to have happen this year or next

NZ:
- probably more related to WLG management itself, but now that Tiger is majority owned by VA (new terms on its AOC?), might see some Tiger flights in and out of WLG to east coast ports (MEL likely starter given the base is here).
- more ZQN frequencies ex MEL.
- one of QF's 3x daily 738 flights on MEL-AKL to be dropped and capacity picked up by EK's 380 flying across the ditch - (similar changes ex BNE and SYD).

Domestic:
- more and more Tiger expansion (or re-expansion? hah),
-- NT: DRW and ASP might come back, would be nice to get one or two weekly frequencies in to AYQ (no non-stops at present)
-- QLD: possibly start TSV (have they flown MEL-TSV before?), HTI (a few a week, JQ 5x week only competition at the moment), possible shift from VA to TT on MCY (and maybe more than the current daily VA frequency, or VA kept on route and Tiger does a few frequencies on top).
-- SA: ramping right back up to pre-grounding frequencies to ADL (currently 2x daily, move toward 4-5x daily)
-- NSW/ACT: like SA / ASA)">DL, ramping frequencies to SYD up to pre-grounding frequencies, possibly restart CBR.
-- WA: a 3rd daily frequency to PER
-- TAS: frequencies increases to HBA and LST
- Qantas mainline:
-- more frequencies non-stop to non-PER ports in WA.
-- shift another JQ frequency to QF on HBA (they've been doing that over 1-2 years now IIRC)
- VA mainline:
-- taking it to QF on MEL-non PER WA ports? BME, KTA possibly?
- JQ:
-- all that needs to be said is that they'll probably make themselves the biggest pain in the arse for any TT expansion as possible.


User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 26579 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
Asia:
- Royal Brunei could cease given they have ceased elsewhere in AU

At this stage- doubtful. MEL exists purely to feed LHR- without MEL the BWN-DXB-LHR flight would be empty. There was a rumour to restart PER-BWN, but nothing came of it. Similarly, BNE-BWN was much more successful than MEL-BWN, but the decision to keep MEL was completely politically motivated. MEL pax loads are now decent, but the yield so bad the flight breaks even at best purely with help from the cargo revenue.


User currently offlineQF762 From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 26506 times:

I hope everyone had a great Christmas!

I just noticed on BNE-CNS that QF(Link) flies a once weekly B712 on Saturday afternoon (and return CNS-BNE on Sunday morning), but interestingly that the flight only has a scheduled flight time of 2 hr exactly (compared to 2 hr 20 min for the B73H). Is the B712 really that much of a pocket rocket?

Happy and Prosperous New Year to all!


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 26457 times:

Having previously promised that an A380-capable gate at PER would be available early next year, to then saying in July that it would be ready "within twelve months", it has now been conceded that the gate will not be available until November next year. So much for expediting things.

Understandably EK is reported to be not all too pleased as they have been forced to set back the hoped-for introduction of the A380 by at least five months. I wonder how much the delay will impact on the tie-up between QF and EK as it was to be expected that QF would be selling seats on EK, hence the initial promise to bring forward the opening of the A380-capable gate.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...71/airport-setback-holds-up-a380s/

[Edited 2012-12-30 17:44:19]

User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 26322 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 4):
BNE-BWN was much more successful than MEL-BWN, but the decision to keep MEL was completely politically motivated.

Umm... If BNE was so successful it would have been kept. There was no political reason for MEL to be served instead of BNE.

With BI bringing 787's onto the route soon, it should help in making the route perform better. It had a slow start yes, but yields and pax loads have improved quite well from reports I have heard.


User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 26215 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 7):
Umm... If BNE was so successful it would have been kept. There was no political reason for MEL to be served instead of BNE.

100% incorrect. However, your comments are 100% logical though. Again, it was completely political. MEL was supposed to be cancelled 3 months after AKL/BNE/PER but it became VERY political (Bruneian political, not Australian). FYI BNE-BWN was the highest revenue generating route in the network. I know more but unable to post in a public forum.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 26162 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 8):
100% incorrect. However, your comments are 100% logical though. Again, it was completely political. MEL was supposed to be cancelled 3 months after AKL/BNE/PER but it became VERY political (Bruneian political, not Australian). FYI BNE-BWN was the highest revenue generating route in the network. I know more but unable to post in a public forum.

My point is, if BNE was the best performing route, as you indicate, why would they not have kept it and canceled all others? It doesn't add up.

Knowing more is all well and good, but fact is it still exists that they have not moved the flights from MEL to BNE when they very well could do so. They need the feed, and if BNE would give them the best results, it would be flying there.


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4264 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 26098 times:

CASA moved to extend Barrier Aviation's suspension until at least 15 February 2013. The court agreed with CASA and extended the suspension until at least that date.

Texan



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User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 26073 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 9):
My point is, if BNE was the best performing route, as you indicate, why would they not have kept it and canceled all others? It doesn't add up.

Knowing more is all well and good, but fact is it still exists that they have not moved the flights from MEL to BNE when they very well could do so. They need the feed, and if BNE would give them the best results, it would be flying there.

Your point is valid. But we're dealing with Bruneian logic (including loss of face for suspending a newly started route), and a certain amount of pride, hence why it doesn't add up. FYI all longhaul flying and MNL was supposed to be suspended.
There is a chance some suspended routes may be brought back if the 5th 787 arrives (there are 5 on order, but RBA might only take 4). All longhaul flying is now operated with 4 leased 777-200's.

[Edited 2012-12-30 23:30:46]

User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 395 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 26060 times:

I also have had contacts within BI's Australian operations.

BNE was the best performing market in Australia for BI -absolutely.Yes it is political .However i am now hearing that BNE will most likely be reinstated with the 5th 787.

Time will tell.



tourismman
User currently offlinemaxter From Australia, joined May 2009, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 25997 times:

WAC strikes again, unbelievable...

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...71/airport-setback-holds-up-a380s/

Cheers



maxter
User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 4696 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 25194 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 9):
My point is, if BNE was the best performing route, as you indicate, why would they not have kept it and canceled all others? It doesn't add up.

We are not talking about a private corporation with a profit maximisation objective here. Normal logic doesn't apply.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 8):
FYI BNE-BWN was the highest revenue generating route in the network.

I'd heard the same. Well, actually I heard that BNE was the only profitable route in the network.



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 25141 times:

Quoting maxter (Reply 13):
WAC strikes again, unbelievable...

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...71/airport-setback-holds-up-a380s/

Cheers

Absolutely ridiculous! PER has by far the worst airport management in the country.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4684 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 24755 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 15):
Quoting maxter (Reply 13):
WAC strikes again, unbelievable...

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...71/airport-setback-holds-up-a380s/

Cheers

Absolutely ridiculous! PER has by far the worst airport management in the country.

Totally agree! PER airport continues to win Australia's worst managed transport infrastructure awards!

EK413



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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 4696 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 24696 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):
Australia's worst managed transport infrastructure

Woah! That's a big call!!! Airport maybe, but I can think of quite a few poorly managed infrastructure projects 



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4684 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 24581 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 17):

Ok, I'm giving the opportunity to name 1 worse than PER  I can't think of any at this point unless your referring to MEL but at least they have gone ahead and invested (even though its all patchup work)

My view on the gate situation is the fact the airport management had a clear indication EK would operate the A380 to PER & instead decided to sit around on their rear ends...

EK413



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User currently offlinecupraibiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 24460 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 17):
but I can think of quite a few poorly managed infrastructure projects 



Myki - Melbourne's public transport ticketing system.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 4):
Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
Asia:
- Royal Brunei could cease given they have ceased elsewhere in AU

At this stage- doubtful. MEL exists purely to feed LHR- without MEL the BWN-DXB-LHR flight would be empty. There was a rumour to restart PER-BWN, but nothing came of it. Similarly, BNE-BWN was much more successful than MEL-BWN, but the decision to keep MEL was completely politically motivated. MEL pax loads are now decent, but the yield so bad the flight breaks even at best purely with help from the cargo revenue.

I am in the international freight caper and we use BI for our air freight service LHR-MEL. Average service, But the price is right



Everyday is a gift…… but why does it have to be a pair of socks?
User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 24440 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
- one of QF's 3x daily 738 flights on MEL-AKL to be dropped and capacity picked up by EK's 380 flying across the ditch - (similar changes ex BNE and SYD).

I doubt the ACCC would look on this very favourably. One of the approval conditions for the QF/EK codeshare arrangement was that there be no lessening of capacity or competition on trans-Tasman services.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4684 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 24421 times:

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 20):
Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
- one of QF's 3x daily 738 flights on MEL-AKL to be dropped and capacity picked up by EK's 380 flying across the ditch - (similar changes ex BNE and SYD).

I doubt the ACCC would look on this very favourably. One of the approval conditions for the QF/EK codeshare arrangement was that there be no lessening of capacity or competition on trans-Tasman services.

This was one of my original arguments when there was a quote suggesting EK drop an A380 service & in favour of operating a turn around service to DXB instead... The ACCC end of the day will make the final decision & either give the alliance a green light...or bring it back to the negotiating table...

EK413



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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24014 times:

Question for the more technical minded, I flew in on QF2 this morning and when I was in SIN I noticed a QF 744 which had a wingtip winglet missing. I got the rego when we landed in Sydney, VH-OJI, which operated QF6 from Frankfurt. Surely having a winglet on 1 side, and none on the other, would create some compensatory issues for the pilots? It's obviously not a safety issue but the aircraft looked funny in SIN taking off with 1 winglet missing. Surely QF aren't that short of 744's yet?

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4684 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 23721 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 22):
B747-400 Without Left Winglet (by Lu Jan 15 2007 in Civil Aviation)#

I probably won't be able answer the technical side but I can shed some light on how VH-OJI ended up with one winglet...

A Qantas Airways Boeing 747 lands at Kingsford Smith International Airport in Australia from Frankfurt via Singapore as QF6.
This bird damaged it's winglet on pushback in Johannesburg after colliding with a blast fence. Subsequently VH-OJI went on to fly to Frankfurt and back, then to Johannesburg with only one winglet.
It is a very rare sight to see a 747-400 with only one winglet, it has happened a few times in the past however.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h8eV...LGm7s&feature=youtube_gdata_player

EK413



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4684 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 23442 times:

QF10 which was enroute to SIN is diverting into DXB due to a medical emergency... Scheduled to arrive into DXB 09:58...

Spotters... Spotters... Spotters...

EK413



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25 vhqpa : It appears Virgin is moving to Sabre next weekend. Looks like the DJ designator might not be in use for much longer.
26 Rotation : Yeah, it says on the website that from 14 January all flights will use designator VA. I was wondering if they were ever going to do that - seems like
27 CXfirst : I do think they are trying not to rush it too much, thinking that the steadier they do it, the better the result will be. They don't want a system cr
28 Ben175 : Oh wow, I am flying the 8:00pm SYD-PER service on the 13th, looks like I will be onboard the last ever "DJ" coast to coast service.
29 sydscott : That video was uploaded on Dec 27th. I saw it January 4th. Surely they aren't so short of 744's that they could have fixed a winglet by now?
30 EK413 : I'm aware the video clip was uploaded 27th of December.... I believe QF are short of B744s considering they have been operating double daily SYD-BKK
31 EK413 : It appears a QF aircraft has gone u/s in HNL with Qantas ferrying an aircraft tonight to pickup the stranded passengers... The 2nd ex-BA B763 in the Q
32 qf002 : The issue here would be matching capacity and the DXB waves. It just doesn't quite fit together properly and would mean long periods sat on the groun
33 EK413 : With current operations EK have services timed with 3 banks (correct me if I'm wrong)... So is it safe to say the double daily BKK services are a dir
34 flylonghaul : EKs current pattern connects with 2 waves. EK 415 connects well with the mid afternoon wave, 413 and 419 connect with the morning wave. (They arrive
35 Mikey86 : There is talk about making SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD to a SYD-DFW-AKL-SYD routing due to the diversions. Interesting and would suck big time for us BNE folk.
36 Mikey86 : Update - CZ reinstates CAN-PER-CAN services as of 31MAR13 according to TravelDaily on 08JAN13. Just checked availability and I can sell seats on both
37 Ben175 : A huge relief. It would be a shame for PER to lose its only service to mainland China. I did expect a change in schedule however.
38 9MMPD : Or change of aircraft. A333 was a bit ambitious I thought they would have use the A332 instead. Hopefully PER will also be a prime 787 route. The tim
39 DJMEL : From Sunday afternoon the DJ flight code will pass into history!!! Virgin Australia will officially use VA for all flights!!! SabreSonic SHOULD be up
40 flylonghaul : Is this also why I have been hearing the call sign VELOCITY on ATC instead of VIRGIN?
41 IndianicWorld : The fact it took them so long to decide on what they were going to do tends to suggest it has not gone to plan so far. Even at only 3X weekly, the PER
42 Post contains links and images EK413 : Thanks for clarifying... It's just amazing how my comments on another forum received criticism suggesting QF time the SYD-LAX/DFW flights to meet up
43 Mikey86 : A change - to tie up to with onward destinations to Europe? I think CZ wants to target the FIFO business more so than the onward connections. Didn't
44 Mikey86 : A change - to tie up to with onward destinations to Europe? I think CZ wants to target the FIFO business more so than the onward connections. Didn't
45 sydscott : I think that makes perfect sense and I, personally, thought the daytime LAX-SYD service was a fantastic service to travel on. (Midday departure at LA
46 thegeek : Re: PER-CAN On paper, it seems that the trip costs are almost the same. Why use the A332 when the A333 can do it comfortably and has more revenue pote
47 Post contains links strangr : I wonder if he was carry on or Checked http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...tile-passenger-20130110-2ciu0.html
48 Post contains links EK413 : Appears the Qantas and China Eastern relationship is getting pretty cozy... Certainly a clear indication Qantas is brushing off OneWorld partner Catha
49 Post contains links and images Tassieboy : Anyone hear about the snake on QF191 on Thursday morning? Apologies if it's already been mentioned and I've missed it! Source: http://www.smh.com.au/e
50 Post contains images EK413 : Yep, it's definitely been brought up... R.I.P Mr Snake EK413
51 eta unknown : It was a fantastic flight, but suffered from huge LAX inbound misconeections during Northern winter.
52 TN486 : Just saw EK A380 A6-EDN come over my home (I live in Berwick) on its way from AKL into MEL. Quite a usual occurrence actually, but I am continually am
53 calvo747 : Jetstar passengers stuck in Honolulu will travel now as JQ1002 departing 7.30pm local time arriving into YMML 4.30am Tuesday morning. Passengers weren
54 vhqpa : Virgin Australia has completed it's transition from Navitaire to Sabre. However their website seems to be a bit unstable at the moment. I get white sc
55 CXfirst : You can upgrade from Saver lite to Saver at any time. This essentially is purchasing luggage at a later date. However, one cannot purchase additional
56 Post contains links maxter : Another cutting comment on the efforts of the gang at WAC... http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...ches-toward-better-things-perhaps/ Cheers,
57 EK413 : By looks of it big brother QF have come to the rescue yet again operating a ferry / charter flight QF6403 last night to pickup the stranded passenger
58 Post contains links vhebb : Qantas brings forward planned A330 SYD-PER increases, all weekday BNE-PER to be refurbished B763s: http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...a-releases/j
59 Zkpilot : so JQ keeps the airfares whilst QF bares the costs once again.
60 qf002 : I doubt it. Simon Hickey will probably bill JQ for every last cent given that he is now directly accountable for financial results internationally.
61 flylonghaul : It seems QF5 was delayed last night for 24 hours. Anyone have any further info as to why?
62 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I said INFRASTRUCTURE, not "airport"... In the context of "infrastructure project", that suggests to me that it includes rail, roads etc. Anything [a
63 EK413 : My bad, I miss interpreted it, I meant to say airport & not infrastructure in my original post... Moving on, ACCC has granted interim authorizati
64 EK413 : Correct, -OJD is the sole 2 class B744 in the fleet... EK413
65 qf002 : Generally yes, but she's done quite a bit of random international work over the summer (including NRT, JNB, SIN-FRA). I imagine she's quite useful ov
66 Post contains links sydscott : An interesting tidbit from the IASC - http://www.iasc.gov.au/applications/index.aspx There are currently 2 route cases involving codeshare capacity to
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68 sydscott : Correct. Again correct. Normally this would go through without a hitch but VA is determined to argue the point. Again correct. The 1,000 relate to co
69 Post contains images mariner : Oh, for an A330 or two based at DXB and flying to a couple of European cities two or three times a week. BUT - I'm not holding my breath. mariner
70 sydscott : It would actually be an interesting way for QF to base a couple of A332's in DXB. If they did this they would be able to serve; Paris CDG - 6 times p
71 thegeek : That's only 1pw short of the daily service that they crave. Is the bilateral in "seats" terms rather than flights, so using an A332 allows more frequ
72 Mikey86 : China Southern Airlines has just announed services 5 weekly on CAN-BNE-CAN now!!! Please see Amadeus Timetable display below: >tn1aprbnecan/acz TN1
73 Post contains links Quokkas : The Australia -Germany Bilateral provides access to FRA only, unless there is a recent amendment in force. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/dfat/tr
74 EK413 : Cheers, thanks for confirming... If my memory serves me well, QF amended the Australia - Germany bilateral prior to the QF/EK Alliance announcement..
75 Quokkas : I have tried an online search for an amendment but without success. But I do recall there being discussion of QF ending its flights to FRA from Octob
76 Post contains links qf002 : Kind of -- smaller aircraft count less towards the capacity allowan than larger ones. Difficult to explain, you should be able to figure it out scrol
77 Post contains images a36001 : Does anyone know what the internal thoughts at JQ and QF would be regarding the problems the 787 is having? Not impressed - expected - not surprised -
78 Post contains links qf002 : Apparently they are still 'confident' in a 2013 EIS regardless of the issues. Fairfax published this article yesterday -- not sure if the attitude wi
79 Post contains images a36001 : Thanks for the link, really looking forward to seeing them in QF/JQ colours.
80 Post contains links QF175 : This is pretty big news! QantasLink - Additional five 717-200s, delivery commencing second half of this year - Additional three Q400s (74 seats), deli
81 Post contains images sydscott : Yeah it's a calculation based on the number of seats on an aircraft. With only 3 frequencies available an A332 in QF International config takes up .5
82 gemuser : Where are the MD95s coming from? Anybody know? Gemuser
83 EK413 : I'm not 100% certain, I know the discussion revolved around the German routes & was just prior to the Alliance announcement... From what I've rea
84 tullamarine : I think all of the AirTran 717s are going to Delta but Mexicana/Click had a number of 717s that remain unallocated since it went under. QF are bolste
85 sydscott : They're leasing rather than acquiring them so I presume the aircraft are already owned by a leasing company somewhere. Are the ones coming out of Air
86 TN486 : It would appear at this time MEL is going to see 2 EK A380 tonight, currently EK 407 on approach from AKL, and EK 413, normally AKL - SYD - DXB is hea
87 CXfirst : Wonder why? First thought was heat, but that would have died down significantly by departure time. It looks like a planned diversion, as the route ta
88 ZKOKQ : Maybe MEL was planned before departure? Very weird. If it was heat why not go BNE? Wouldnt that work better?
89 ZuluAlpha : There was a strong Southerly wind change at SYD late this evening, There were a few QF flights that did an air turnback and one reroute tonight due t
90 qf002 : Probably to do with the severe weather warning that was in place this evening as the cold front came through. It didn't end up being particularly bad
91 TN486 : Had a look at the historical on flightradar24.com, EK413 attempted an approach from the North, aborted that, went to base leg for a 2nd approach from
92 CXfirst : Ah, ok. I didn't realize it was the flight coming in from AKL that wasn't able to land. I thought it had departed SYD for DXB and for some reason div
93 eaglefarm4 : BNE airport had a 4.5% growth in 2012 to just over 21.5 million pax. Source BAC news. Today Alliance received their 4th Fokker 70 when F70 registered
94 thegeek : Really? I thought there were issues with doing this due to a lack of customs at CBR.
95 ZuluAlpha : Also on a separate issue, on an Q&A for the staff at QF, they advise that the codeshare flights with EK (excluding the already MAN and MXP flights
96 Post contains images Jetair99 : Hi all New aussie here, hope to be fairly active in this thread, amongst others! Anyone had any experience with booking through Virgin's new Sabre sys
97 QF175 : Let me be the first to say welcome and look forward to more of your posts..
98 thegeek : Looks like this flight confused flightware - shows them landing at SYD then taking off for CBR, but it seems that they did actually make it back in s
99 allrite : I thought Qantas was going to move all it's services to the new "all A380" terminal in DXB.
100 EK413 : I believe the original quote was referring to EK constrained under the UAE / Germany bilateral, therefore QF could base A330's in DXB & operate v
101 MilesDependent : It seems that Air Services have put ATIS data behind a paywall. Is there another source for this? I can't seem to find it. There is this on twitter wh
102 Post contains links TheCommodore : Qantas to cut jobs after contract loss ! Yet more jobs to go, although how many has not yet been established, http://www.smh.com.au/business/qanta...-
103 ZKOKQ : If this helps keep Qantas alive, I am for it. The company needs to be put first. And that means staying profitable.
104 EK413 : Not much can be done considering QF lost another ground handling contract... From a business perspective makes sense for NZ to switch to an agent whi
105 Post contains links and images QF175 : This is fantastic news and it's really pleasing to hear the project has been completed (it seemed to fly under the radar after it was announced some t
106 eta unknown : Ah but was it intentionally lost in order to shred staff? The same thing happened a few years ago- QF management purposely submitted bids that were s
107 sydscott : To quote from the posted article link; Air New Zealand made a decision in November to contract Toll Dnata to do the work. I think the real question i
108 a320fan : Was playing around with Virgins new Sabre system earlier today. It is not much different, but there are a few small things that could do with some ref
109 EK413 : I'm not in a position to comment... EK413
110 ZKOKQ : Anyone know the reason for the 3 hour delay to EK434 BNE - AKL this morning?
111 vhebb : Now that all the QF/EK flight options have been loaded I cant help but notice that you cant book any QF metal flights from BNE, PER, and ADL to LHR/Eu
112 EK413 : EK407 had a problem after take off yesterday, the pilot deeming the aircraft "unsafe", the aircraft circled around MEL, dumping fuel before landing s
113 a320fan : I believe they are selling connections to Jetstar Asia flights. A flawed model if you ask me, as there are much higher quality options, and if your f
114 qf002 : The codeshares still exist, but you probably can't access them unless you're booking a multi stop itinerary and want to stopover in Asia for a few da
115 jrfspa320 : I agree...shame they got rid of the BA/SIN option......i would much rather this over the awful transit in DXB. Especially as BA are introducing the 77
116 Post contains links BNE : Great move by Qantas. Qantas will remove its code from a range of Jetstar-operated domestic flights with immediate effect in a bid to “increase tran
117 ZKOKQ : Fantastic, another move to be trusted! I love seeing all these little steps the company is taking to improve!
118 smi0006 : I think this move will be generally well received by QF ground crew. I do not believe that a package has been offered to them in a while, cabin crew
119 tim : As a perthian QR will get the nod for me on flighs to Europe. 9 abreast in their 777's versus 10 for Ek certainly can make it a bit more comfortable i
120 qf002 : I suspect this move has got more to do with taking the cheaper fares out of QF's booking system than 'increasing transparency'. Still good to see tho
121 Post contains links and images QF175 : Here's some news of significance.. JAL in talks over Brisbane return Travelweekly - Source and... PAL to Perth? Aircargo Asia Pacific - Source
122 Ben175 : PAL to PER!? That is something you wouldn't expect to hear. DRW is quite a significant backtrack too, DPS would make a much more viable fuel stop. Any
123 QF175 : Operating the 2x Antarctica scenic flights from PER 26/27JAN.
124 EK413 : The aircraft is operating 2 x Antarctic Charters 26/01 QF2906, 27/01 QF2907 & then return to SYD 28/01 QF576... EK413
125 CXfirst : Yeh, I heard something about that at work. But can't really say too much. All I'll say is that I thought I heard wrong.... -CXfirst
126 vhebb : Hi, Apparently QantasLink current T2 ops in SYD will be moving to T3... Is this true? Cheers
127 EK413 : More than likely due to the removal of JQ codes from mainline... EK413[Edited 2013-01-25 23:40:43]
128 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : Happy Australia Day to all the readers of the Australian Aviation Thread !!
129 qf002 : I hope so! I'm not sure how they will fit them all in though -- space constraints are the reason there are flights at T2 in the first place. Another
130 Post contains images EK413 : I've read on other forums talk about realigning the bays to accomadate more A330's... Thanks for pointing that out... I believe the removal of JQ cod
131 ZKOKQ : With all this rain from the ex tropical cyclone, its great to see BNE not really affected to much. Well done to all the airlines and staff to keep it
132 Fuling : It's been some months now that QF resumed flights to OOL, and I was wondering how loads are on these flights so far?
133 ZuluAlpha : I have heard they are going okay was the answer to that question that has been raised to QF management. So I guess that can be interpreted as not gre
134 qf002 : There have been some very cheap fares (as low as $99 for travel in February when I had a look a couple of weeks ago -- cheaper than the basic JQ fare
135 eaglefarm4 : Yes i agree however yesterday arvo and evening at least 30 aircraft performed missed approaches. I heard on the ATC radio that 4 Virgins could not ge
136 EK413 : Gold Coast Airport is closed due to high winds today... Scoot has gone to BNE, and JQ20 KIX-OOL-SYD has skipped the OOL stopover and is going nonstop
137 ZuluAlpha : If the weather in the past 24 hours in BNE and if the intensity continues while it it heading south, it is not going to be a good thing for the NSW re
138 skyhawkmatthew : There is no way there is enough room at T3 for the QantasLink ops.
139 eta unknown : That would explain the ex Air Panama aircraft parked at DHL...
140 EK413 : Sydney Airport is presently operating in a mix 07 / 34L departures configuration... I'm not certain if this has a lot to do with the noise sharing ag
141 eta unknown : There's also a PAL BNE-MNL nonstop rumour going around at the moment... third time lucky?
142 skyhawkmatthew : That's right - only the CBR ops though - and they only have two gates for that. I guess with a huge number of buses they could do it, but it would be
143 aussie747 : It has been reported that the QF link pax will board near where the international transfers take place at T3 near where gate 1 is, they will then be b
144 EK413 : I thought this could've been a possibility and certainly a smart move considering the QF Link hangers are not to far from Gate 1 either... I'm guessi
145 Fuling : Thanks ZuluAlpha and QF002.
146 skyhawkmatthew : That lounge would have to increase in size at least five times over! Whenever I've been in T2 most of the gate-lounges for Qlink flights have been ch
147 EK413 : I could be wrong but I believe the T2 lease will be expiring soon which is probably another reason why QF Link flights are being relocated to T3... A
148 flylonghaul : Weather in SYD is getting miserable. Lots of aircraft having to circle north and south on the way in. 10pm now, lets see if there are diversions due t
149 ZuluAlpha : With the bad weather, think they will allow the curfew to be extended ?
150 flylonghaul : Im not overly familiar with the regulations, but I imagine some flights may be allowed in depending on the individual situation of the individual flig
151 flylonghaul : Diversions have begun VA540 from OOL VA536 from OOL VA887 from MEL VA883 from MEL VA891 from MEL JQ626 is still circling near Canberra And also just s
152 Aussie_ : There's talk on another message board of JQ starting flights CNS-Guam. Has anyone heard anything about this?
153 flylonghaul : I like the sound of that. Would be an interesting new holiday option.
154 skyhawkmatthew : That makes sense... Though I've seen JQ aircraft at every gate on that pier at various points – even the hardstands at the very end on occasion. Li
155 eaglefarm4 : Not a new option as UA fly twice weekly out of CNS to GUM and have so for many years.
156 qf002 : Seems messier than the existing arrangement to me. I've often thought that the space between T3 and T2 would make a good spot for a small regional pi
157 tullamarine : When QF acquired its lease for the T2 gates, Geoff Dixon indicated plans to create an airside link between T2 and T3. 11 years later nothing has happ
158 Post contains images flylonghaul : Ok thanks for the info. After holding for an hour it must have been very annoying to be told you were not allowed to land. Yes indeed. I was aware of
159 Airvan00 : I think you might find that it is the Federal Minister for Infrastructure and Transport (The Hon Anthony Albanese MP) is the one to authorise excepti
160 qf002 : You're absolutely right -- apologies!
161 EK413 : Probably the crew of EK413 opted to add a tech stop on route to refuel...? I am baffled why under such circumstances the airlines aren't given priori
162 skyhawkmatthew : Is a new Aboriginal scheme going to appear on a different aircraft to replace Yananyi if VXB's getting the retro treatment?
163 EK413 : I could be wrong in saying this but I believe QF are leaning away from Aboriginal schemes in favour of "other" forms of special schemes such as, Optu
164 thegeek : Wasn't it EK414? More likely they looked at the weather forecast before they took off in DXB and added the extra fuel to allow time for circling. Unl
165 SYDSpotter : No I think he does mean EK413 which had to take off on runway 07 which is only 2500m compared with 4km on 34L. It is an awful long flight to DXB ! Lu
166 EK413 : EK413 which departed from Sydney's East-West runway 07 as pointed out by Just to clarify I was referring to the aircraft which opted to divert due to
167 eaglefarm4 : Lynden Air Cargo C130 N404LC operated at least 2 BNE-Bundaberg freight rotations yesterday as part of the flood provisions of aid. China Southern adde
168 EK413 : Yesterday, EK have began selling to a number of Qantas Domestic destinations for travel from 31st of March... Other news, Today Alan Joyce will welcom
169 ZKOKQ : Today QF 767 bound for SYD kissed the runway at BNE. They returned to BNE.
170 EK413 : ??? I don't get it lol... EK413
171 flylonghaul : I'm guessing a tail strike?
172 ZKOKQ : Excuse my vague post, long day at work. Yes the plane had a tail strike.
173 EK413 : Reasonable excuse... Do we know which aircraft...? EK413
174 ZKOKQ : I can not seem to find any rego around or news about it. BNE site shows QF545 as being canceled.
175 EK413 : It's time to do some fishing around... Any idea as to the damage...? I understand aircraft are fitted with tail strike devices... EK413
176 ZKOKQ : When nine news aired it here in BNE, not much was known. Is think the flight is underway now.
177 flylonghaul : QF 549 also appears to have been cancelled
178 EK413 : Only flight showing at the moment SYD bound & descending is QF557 VHVZD.... Just about to touch down runway 34R... EK413[Edited 2013-01-31 03:09:3
179 vhebb : The aircraft was VH-ZXF it returned to BNE then operated again a few hrs later... Can't have been too serious. Cheers
180 EK413 : That's a relief... Good thing is the ACE / Rolls Royce aircraft are heading off to the desert with another aircraft being retired in 12 days time...
181 Post contains links and images Boof : I hope this is true, I'd love to see a 738 in these colours with the winglets having the flying roo on them: View Large View MediumPhoto © Mel Lawre
182 mal787 : We have to see it on a 744 as well. It looked great on the 742 so no reason why it wont work Mal787
183 eaglefarm4 : Malaysian announced daily ex BNE from mid September up from the current 5 a week. I also see that TransAsia Airways of Taiwan are also planning flight
184 Post contains images vhqpa : If they do a retro scheme on a 737. I'd rather see a TAA based scheme than a Qantas scheme. Just replace the TAA titles with Qantas. Leave the Retro Q
185 EK413 : Unfortunately the B744s have had the NEW scheme applied unless there are plans to apply a new coat of paint to the remaining B744s (to be retired)...
186 AirNiugini : Is there a reason that the wonderful Aboriginal schemes are being removed? I know that the planes are a little heavier, but surely those costs are no
187 qf002 : They won't be repainting any of the aircraft due to be retired in the next 12-18 months, and the ERs probably won't be completely stripped and repain
188 IndianicWorld : Given the growth in Tawanese pax, MEL could very well be favoured for this. SYD and BNE have a substantial level of competition already afterall, so
189 eaglefarm4 : If they are similar to mainland China where all 4 Chinese carriers fly to MEL or about to, then BNE and SYD would be favoured over any new market.Also
190 Post contains images AirNiugini : I agree. It would be a shame to see the QF fleet without an Aboriginal livery. I think having at least 2 schemes in the fleet would be fantastic. One
191 EK413 : Qantas are leaning away from the Aboriginal schemes & the cost behind special scheme's couldn't be justified & as we all know QF is preservin
192 ZKOKQ : I am still hoping to see something on an A330.
193 Post contains images AirNiugini : I agree that it would be more expensive to operate due to the weight, but it being only applied on 2 or 3 planes I thought it would have been negligi
194 IndianicWorld : MEL would have a to be option to consider, but yes it is an outside chance. True, CZ had originally planned CAN-MEL-AKL, so you never know what airli
195 Flyingsottsman : Yeah I would love to see a 737 in the old TAA 70s blue scheme and a 744 or a 767/A330 in the QF 70s scheme with that orchid colour cheat line I reacon
196 Post contains links allrite : Qantas has announced changes to the Asian network. Media release
197 sydscott : So Frankfurt is ending in April, no more ADL-SIN or PER-HKG while BNE sees an increase in BNE-HKG to daily. They call this "improvements". I call it
198 Post contains links vhebb : http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...a-releases/feb-2013/5486/global/en Basically the changes are: *Both ADL-SIN and PER-HKG routes will be cut. *PE
199 allrite : It was a fairly airy announcement. - To be rolled out in 4 phases. - Investigating adding lie flat beds to A330s and other improvements - Expanded ne
200 Quokkas : Only if you live on the east coast. From PER no HKG at all and one only per day to SIN. CX and SQ will be pleased. At least with the route to SIN the
201 Post contains links vhebb : New Schedule: http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20130204/pdf/42ctm8nyxl52zm.pdf Looking at the timeline my guess is the MEL-SIN-MEL and BNE-SIN-BNE will bo
202 Post contains images jsoprano : With these changes, who did the maths on the capacity increases they quote (10% to HKG and 40% to SIN)? I strongly doubt any net increase. Also very s
203 ZKOKQ : Whats better, change or QF contining to make you guys happy and fade away? I am glad QF finally has the sense to grab the company by the balls and ope
204 sydscott : Definitely more 744 retirements. Once FRA goes there are 3 there that can be scrapped. I think it's "available" capacity for Asia services which is a
205 tullamarine : This is actually an old QF destination so it's a "resumption via codeshare" not a new destination. The MEL-KUL service arrives in MEL at 2AM and depa
206 Post contains links allrite : Australian Aviation Thread #68 is now open.
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