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U.S. Commercial Jet Stuck In Iran For Repairs  
User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 24135 times:

Report on Yahoo does not mention what type of aircraft and or the nationality of the crew.

"DUBAI (Reuters) - A small U.S. commercial plane has been stuck in Iran for nearly three weeks after making an emergency landing near the city of Ahvaz, the country's airports director said on Sunday"

Here's more on this :
http://news.yahoo.com/small-u-plane-...landing-iran-report-080644202.html

Interesting story.

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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 23963 times:

Its happened before. NW had a DC10 divert to Tehran back in '05 or so.


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User currently offlineacidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 23427 times:
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Quoting 777STL (Reply 1):
Its happened before. NW had a DC10 divert to Tehran back in '05 or so.

Absolutely! US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran (by JoKeR Jun 19 2005 in Civil Aviation) talks about it. There was a smoke or fire alarm in one of the cargo bays but it was determined to be false and they went on their way. The Tehran airport authorities took care of the passengers. The real challenge was purchasing additional fuel - since there is no real way to quickly/easily transfer money to/from the US and Iran they had to find some intermediary who was willing to front the fuel; I remember this part of the operation taking about 4 hours to accomplish. It isn't like NW can just give the Tehran FBO their American Express or Visa card number over the phone  

I'd like to know more about this plane parked in Ahvaz. I'm sure given time we will learn more.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 22986 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 1):
Its happened before. NW had a DC10 divert to Tehran back in '05 or so.

Suffice it to say, relations between Iran and the US were slightly less contentious in 2005 than they are now. Iran probably wanted nothing to do with a couple of hundred passengers, as well, which explains their willingness to help resolve the situation (that and international protocol concerning the safety of airmen and seamen).

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User currently onlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9497 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 22641 times:

The biggest problem is paying for the repairs and fuel. People in Iran are more than willing to help others but the political conflict makes payment for goods and services nearly impossible. I can imagine some customs headaches too since the crew left the country. IATA requires Iran to make accommodations for any plane requiring an emergency landing.


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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 22571 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 4):
People in Iran are more than willing to help others but the political conflict makes payment for goods and services nearly impossible.
People, probably yes, but the Iranian government might view this situation as an opporunity to exploit a perceived "invasion" or "act of aggression." Can anyone actually confirm this was a "commercial" aircraft? I'm guessing it may have been some sort of business jet or small cargo aircraft. In any case, with the crew long gone and the aircraft essentially on its own, I wouldn't be surprised to see the aircraft thoroughly inspected and "impounded" over some trumped up charge of whatever...

777fan



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User currently offlineKC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 21251 times:

Write that plane off. It is forever marooned in that place.

User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 20215 times:

Some of you are real conspiracy theorists. The aircraft had a mechanical while exercising its rights to transit over Iran under Article 5 of the Chicago Convention. That places certain responsibilities on the State where the aircraft lands. If the aircraft suffered a mechanical problem in flight and was in "distress", Article 25 of Chicago puts a duty on States to assist those aircraft both in air and on ground. It is a common enough occurrence that an aircraft gets stuck in an "unfriendly" State because of a mechanical problem. When that happens, the State has obligations it must meet or face possible ICAO sanctions.

Texan



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 19774 times:

When has Iran ever cared about sanctions or embargoes?


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User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1084 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 19214 times:
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Iran had to grant Overfly rights to the carrier and thus paved the way for that carrier to land were there an emergency that called for it. they can't just impound the airplane and act like Fools when they TOO fly internationally
What would be the point?? They tell everybody ELSE they want to BE reasonable so they have to ACT like it...


User currently offlineasctty From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 18760 times:

According to this news report (and others on the net) it was a Falcon-900 and has now left unharmed.

http://tinyurl.com/b682f5k


User currently offlinea300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15894 times:
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I was on a Delta flight DXB-ATL a few years back that overflew the entire Western length of Iran, exiting somewhere in the northwest. I suspect that there are no major issues with civil-registered US aircraft overflying Iran. In addition, lots of US bound EK flights transit the Iranian airspace.

Given the current geopolitical tensions though, the rules can change quickly. It would be quite costly for the flights that need to bypass the Iranian airspace.



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User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15526 times:
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Quoting acidradio (Reply 2):
It isn't like NW can just give the Tehran FBO their American Express or Visa card number over the phone

Wasn't there a hijacked plane in the 70s where the pilot charged for fuel on his personal credit card? Even then I thought he must have had a heck of a credit limit!!


User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 14854 times:

I believe that hijacked plane was a 727 for TWA, going from ATH-FCO . There are pictures of the pilot handing over his credit card or the fuel.

User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14626 times:

Sometimes you do have to "pass the hat" with the pax to come up with cash or CC for fuel if you land at an out of the way way place..many places in the world are still "cash and carry" Usually you are only needing a few thousand USD so in a big plane it works most the time..

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24858 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14381 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 4):
IATA requires Iran to make accommodations for any plane requiring an emergency landing.

IATA has no involvement in that. I think you mean ICAO.


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3060 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14328 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 12):
Wasn't there a hijacked plane in the 70s where the pilot charged for fuel on his personal credit card? Even then I thought he must have had a heck of a credit limit!!

Does Amex have a credit limit now?, back then I thought they didn't and maybe that's what he used. I knew of a Skybus pilot that put 3 charter buses on his card when the airport got fogged in and had to divert.



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User currently offlinen797mx From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13525 times:

Quoting TonyBurr (Reply 13):
I believe that hijacked plane was a 727 for TWA, going from ATH-FCO . There are pictures of the pilot handing over his credit card or the fuel.

I think you are thinking of TWA 847, ATH-FCO-LHR

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847

I can't find any good pictures of the hand over though...



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6075 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13091 times:
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Quoting n797mx (Reply 17):
Quoting TonyBurr (Reply 13):I believe that hijacked plane was a 727 for TWA, going from ATH-FCO . There are pictures of the pilot handing over his credit card or the fuel.
I think you are thinking of TWA 847, ATH-FCO-LHR

I was always under the impression it was the FA that used her Shell credit card.

Quoting TonyBurr (Reply 13):
I believe that hijacked plane was a 727 for TWA

I'll never forget it. I remember seeing it on TV.



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User currently offlineGSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12627 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 12):
Even then I thought he must have had a heck of a credit limit!!
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 16):
Does Amex have a credit limit now?

Were there computerized credit card transactions in 85'? I wasn't around at that time. If there weren't, then was there any way for a retailer to tell if a customer had reached their limit at the time of purchase?

Quoting falstaff (Reply 18):
I was always under the impression it was the FA that used her Shell credit card.

That's what I recall watching on some kind of special of the incident. I'm thinking an episode of air emergency.


User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 984 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12066 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 5):
People, probably yes, but the Iranian government might view this situation as an opporunity to exploit a perceived "invasion" or "act of aggression."

People certainly yes not probably. I doubt if it were a perceived act of aggression it would be there for 3 weeks and as a matter of fact its the USA that has shot down civilian airliners not Iran.

The 20th Anniversary Of IR655 Crash (by Amax1977 Jul 3 2008 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4052065&searchid=4053546&s=IranAir+shot+down#ID4053546

Quoting texan (Reply 7):
Article 5 of the Chicago Convention

The convention also stipulates that member nations have to support safe travel. The USA sanctions on civilian aircraft parts on Iran clearly violate the safety standards of these aircraft. They have been forced to fly million of passenger miles unsafely with known causalities. It would be hypocritical in my mind to turn around and use the same convention we've ourselves violated. You can sanction non-flight essential parts in my mind but to prevent delivery of things like pitot tubes etc is really dirty in my mind.

Quoting a300 (Reply 11):
t would be quite costly for the flights that need to bypass the Iranian airspace.

I've always wondered why they don't route them in a circuitous route. If I were in charge, I'd route every plane from a hostile nation in a zig zag making it inefficient enough to not want to fly through airspace. This is in fact totally legal. I certainly doubt the USA would route any IranAir aircraft over its territory on anything other than a diplomatic flight. I certainly wouldn't grant the USA anything over and above what they are doing.


User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11348 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 18):
I was always under the impression it was the FA that used her Shell credit card.

Uli Derickson was the lead FA and used her Shell card to pay for the fuel. I think it was the only card the ground handlers could take.


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11268 times:

Quoting a300 (Reply 11):

Iran is an ICAO signatory country. They have to give all other signatory countries overflight rights, even if they don't like the country. The US tried to deny overflight rights to Cuba a few years back. ICAO told the US that overflight must be allowed or they would face possible penalties. Cuban aircraft overfly the US on a regular basis today, and vice versa.

Texan



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User currently offlineasctty From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11115 times:

Would anyone like to comment on the fact that the aircraft in question has now apparently left Iran and therefore there is no 'bad news' story?
I am no Iran fan, but it appears that, in this instance at least, they do comply with the ICAO rules these days and should at least deserve some recognition for this???


User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11058 times:

Quoting asctty (Reply 23):
I am no Iran fan, but it appears that, in this instance at least, they do comply with the ICAO rules these days and should at least deserve some recognition for this???

Why shouldn't they comply?
Iran complies with almost every international treaty that they have signed. Unlike the United States.



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
25 cbphoto : Absolutely! I remember hearing about US carriers going from ANC to parts of Eastern Russia where the Captain has to carry a brief case full of cash i
26 PanHAM : Th problem is rather with the USA as with Iran. The US embargo rules making payment for the costs accumulated difficult. Same for spare parts needed.
27 JoeCanuck : I don't see why anybody would be surprised that Iran would help. They have been aiding sailors in distress, of any nationality, (including American),
28 SASDC8 : Yes, but as you se from some of the posts earlier in this thread, they either don't know or they just don't care. Exactly. The problem (if there was
29 Post contains images AirPacific747 : I've been overflying Iran as a pilot in a Ukrainian registered aircraft, no problem. All the way from the north western part past Tehran and exited at
30 Post contains images pqdtw : I was on the crew of that flight. It was June of 2005. We made an emergency landing because there was an indicator of fire in the cargo hold on the D
31 Post contains images aloges : The only problem here is the economic sanctions imposed not by Iran, but other nations. Think what you may of their political and religious leaders, t
32 PanHAM : LH has a daily 747 FRA/IKA. Not sure about cargo flights however, exports to Iran are difficult with the sanctions. The belly capacity of the pax fli
33 Post contains images kgaiflyer : They follow your history. For instance, my Amex is regularly cut off at a Shell station near YYJ because they ask that excessive amounts of money be
34 trex8 : Of course it helps that back in those days a gallon of gas was less than a $1!! The wiki article says it was the FA using her Shell charge card so I g
35 rfields5421 : Amex used to be and apparently still is very flexible about limits. I've called Amex and said I wanted to make a large purchase for cruise tickets or
36 Aesma : If it really was a Falcon then it may have helped, only the US and some puppets are banning aircraft parts, not the EU.
37 LJ : It depends on the manufacturer of the part. If the part is from a US company or subsidiary of of US company the US sanctions apply. The same applies
38 JoeCanuck : I'm guessing the most extraordinary part of the experience was that you were treated so ordinarily...at least that was my experience when I was worki
39 m404 : I'm wondering if it could have been a corporate sized jet from something like Delta's executive charter operations. Maybe that's how the story of it b
40 RWA380 : Having worked for American Express before, I can affirm there are definitely credit limits on all regular Amex cards, gold, platinum etc.... they kno
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