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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 417 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

Lots of WN metal in Eugene today. Looks to be charters, but I wonder if they would ever consider service to Den, Lax, las, phx

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User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

Probably Oregon State returning from the Alamo Bowl.

Once upon a time, EUG had United and (briefly) AirCal service with B732, but in this day and age, does EUG have the population to support the WN high-frequency, point-to-point model? You'd think AS would have taken the hub service mainline from QX if there was a big enough market.



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User currently offlinegators312 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4960 times:
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It's 3 flights to PHX, I assume charters to the Fiesta Bowl.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...6/history/20121230/1630Z/KEUG/KPHX
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...3/history/20121231/0150Z/KEUG/KPHX
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...1/history/20121230/2220Z/KEUG/KPHX


User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4902 times:

Quoting gators312 (Reply 2):

It's 3 flights to PHX, I assume charters to the Fiesta Bowl.

Well, we're both right. {Correction} Two flights came in from SAT, and one apparently ferried from PDX, for the outbounds to PHX.

[Edited 2012-12-30 15:17:00]


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3717 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

Pre-WN merger Morris Air served EUG. When WN acquired Morris, EUG was dropped along with ANC, COS, DEN, FAT, IFP, and PSP. Since then, only DEN has been brought back out of the seven cities dropped (Morris served 21 cities in total).

I don't think that EUG would work today for WN, as it's AS/QX territory, and AS will go out of their way to defend that part of the country (remember the WN at BFI fiasco).



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4565 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
Since then, only DEN has been brought back out of the seven cities dropped (Morris served 21 cities in total).

Not really accurate at all. DEN was WN city from 83-86 before leaving. So it wasn't so much bringing DEN back from the Morris cities, but return to a former WN city.

As far as the topic at hand. EUG could find itself in the WN system down the road. There isn't any option between PDX and SMF, so it could provide a nice filler with a few flights a day.


User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 1):
does EUG have the population to support the WN high-frequency, point-to-point model?

Like DSM's 2 flights a day, EYW's 2 flights a day, PWM's 3 flights a day, CRP's 5 flights a day, etc? The "high-frequency, point-to-point model went out the window awhile ago...



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4565 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 6):
Like DSM's 2 flights a day, EYW's 2 flights a day, PWM's 3 flights a day, CRP's 5 flights a day, etc? The "high-frequency, point-to-point model went out the window awhile ago...

Mmmhmm. 15% ROI is all that matters.


User currently offlinephxmkeflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
I don't think that EUG would work today for WN, as it's AS/QX territory, and AS will go out of their way to defend that part of the country

  
[quote=ouboy79,reply=5]As far as the topic at hand. EUG could find itself in the WN system down the road. There isn't any option between PDX and SMF, so it could provide a nice filler with a few flights a day.

This market wouldn't work, especially for WN. AS could better serve this market with Horizon.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 6):
Like DSM's 2 flights a day, EYW's 2 flights a day, PWM's 3 flights a day, CRP's 5 flights a day, etc? The "high-frequency, point-to-point model went out the window awhile ago...

  


User currently offlineIcelandairMSP From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

The EUG metro will probably hit 400K in the next decade, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility. However, EUG is a three-hour drive from PDX so it already splits a lot of its catchment with PDX. But who know? WN continues to evolve so it could happen.

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1903 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

UA has had on again off again mainlines service from SFO-EUG. I flew it a few times in maybe 2001-2003? 737-500s if I recall correctly.

Eugene to Portland is hardly a 3 hour drive, more like 2 and 1:45 if you hustle.
As much as I hope they get regular mainline again someday (not counting Allegiant or similar), I think the Q400 service of Horizon is as good as it's going to get for a while.

EUG is a cool airport, nice setup out there.



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User currently onlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4365 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2213 times:
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Quoting phxmkeflyer (Reply 8):
This market wouldn't work, especially for WN. AS could better serve this market with Horizon.
Quoting IcelandairMSP (Reply 9):
The EUG metro will probably hit 400K in the next decade, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility. However, EUG is a three-hour drive from PDX so it already splits a lot of its catchment with PDX. But who know? WN continues to evolve so it could happen.

If WN were to start a token presence at EUG in the future, I would think a couple daily flights to OAK would make the most sense. This would provide great connectivity to southern California, LAS, PHX, and a few others as well as serving Bay area O&D. Other than OAK the only thing that would make much sense out of EUG would be LAS or DEN, but both those are longer stage lengths. LAS and DEN do offer a lot more connectivity than OAK, particularly to non-west coast destinations. Thoughts on this?



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User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Way way back in the day, AA had a tag-on PDX - EUG with an MD-80. Those were the days!

User currently offlineflashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2151 times:
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Back in the day, UA also did mainline to DEN. Flew on more than a few 727s on that route over the years. Especially with the growth of Allegiant, EUG is becoming more of a leisure-driven airport. Usually, it's cheaper to fly out of PDX even considering parking costs (although not always -- my next trip to PTY will be out of EUG, since it was way cheaper than PDX with a better schedule).

User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

Allegiant has enjoyed the loads on the EUG to PHX/AZA flights. WN with 1 daily to the following PHX, DEN, LAX, LAS, and maybe something like MDW to allow connects ..... Horizon flights are very full leaving EUG. Happy New Years

User currently offlineflashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1730 times:
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EUG-LAX was tried a couple of times in the past (QX, I believe?) and it didn't last. I really don't see any way that EUG-MDW could work out, but perhaps to PHX/DEN/LAS. For a market of its size and relative proximity to other options in PDX, however, EUG is pretty well served.

User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4565 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

Quoting phxmkeflyer (Reply 8):
This market wouldn't work, especially for WN. AS could better serve this market with Horizon.

I'm thinking fairly long term, nothing in the near future. Much better fish to fry first.

Quoting flashmeister (Reply 15):
EUG-LAX was tried a couple of times in the past (QX, I believe?) and it didn't last. I really don't see any way that EUG-MDW could work out, but perhaps to PHX/DEN/LAS. For a market of its size and relative proximity to other options in PDX, however, EUG is pretty well served.

Yeah MDW seems to much of a stretch, if you are just doing it for connections. DEN is a much closer and better option. G4 has proven that there is a market there, so PHX/LAS could fit in nicely. Could pretty easily make it work with 4-5 flights a day once other opportunities are tackled and WN looks for other cities to fill the gaps.


User currently offlinephxmkeflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Quoting iowaman (Reply 11):
If WN were to start a token presence at EUG in the future, I would think a couple daily flights to OAK would make the most sense.

I'd agree with you Iowaman, EUG-OAK 2x daily makes the most sense along with perhaps 1 daily to LAS.

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 14):
WN with 1 daily to the following PHX, DEN, LAX, LAS, and maybe something like MDW to allow connects

Should WN serve EUG, it won't be for at least a few years, as WN is fleet neutral and what growth they are doing is focused on connecting the FL dots to WN and into the Caribbean/Mexico. If anything, the trend for WN to reduce its capacity in the Pac NW is likely to continue.


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