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PWM Pre-Security "Gates"?  
User currently offlinesirnoble From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 20 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6681 times:

So, I was not in a productive mood, so I decided to see how much my home airport, PWM, has changed over the past few years. So I went to an internet archive, looked up PWM's website, and found this terminal diagram from June of 2007. http://web.archive.org/web/200706300...andjetport.org/inside-terminal.asp



If you look to the left of the baggage claim, you can make out two gates, Gate A and Gate B. I have never noticed these gates when I have traveled though the Jetport recently, and I can imagine they have been used in many years, as they do not require TSA security screening to access them. Does anyone have information on these gates (e.g. when they were last used, what airline/s)?

Thank you!

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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6645 times:

They look like bus and/or pedestrian arrival gates to me.


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6637 times:

If I had to guess, they were probably lower level commuter gates that were most likely used pre 9/11. I have never traveled through PWM nor am I from there so this is just a guess.

ALB currently also has lower level commuter gates, although they are post security and require and escalator to access them.



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User currently offlinesirnoble From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 1):

I suppose they could be, but they face airside. If they were used for that purpose, they would be on the north side of the terminal, where the curb is. Thanks for the input though!


User currently offlinesirnoble From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6619 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):

That sounds about right.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6567 times:

Quoting sirnoble (Reply 3):
I suppose they could be, but they face airside. If they were used for that purpose, they would be on the north side of the terminal, where the curb is. Thanks for the input though!

I think I may have lost something in translation: my guess was that these gates were used only for arriving passengers who were taken to the terminal by bus, or had to walk there from the aircraft. Sadly, my memory of PWM is quite foggy and the photo that I kept is of the far more aesthetic terminal extension.



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User currently offlinesirnoble From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6536 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 5):

I think I may need to reword my reply. My bad!

I meant to say that they couldn't be used for the purpose of buses or pedestrians because they are located on the south side of the terminal. People enter the terminal from the north, and the gates face south. Also, this image is pre-expansion.

Hope this clears things up!


User currently offlineflyPWM From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

I believe those are some of the old ground level aircraft gates that were around prior to 2-3 expansions ago. I flew out of PWM in May, they did a beautiful job on the most recent expansion. Doesn't even feel like the jetport.

User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3562 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6440 times:

The new expansion is awesome. It is a shame it connects with that dumpy 1970s terminal.

Perhaps when there is more money they will upgrade the rest a bit


User currently offlinesirnoble From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6385 times:

Quoting flyPWM (Reply 7):

That would make sense. Thank you!

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 8):

The older part is improving slowly. The main reason for this expansion was size, as opposed to quality. However, it could be upgraded to a certain extent.


User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2952 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6166 times:

MIght those gates have been from back in the days for the smallest commuter props which could operate without security screening? If a flight came in from a small airport without security screening, it could not arrive into the sterile area of the airport. Arriving at A or B would accomplish this. The departures from PWM could similarly leave from these non-sterile gates.

In years past, it was fairly common for the smallest cities not to have security screening, and when those flights arrived at a larger airport, they either had to arrive at separate non-sterile gates or terminal, or inbound passengers had to clear security screening as they entered the terminal. MSP, deep within the terminal, used to have a commuter gate with metal detector and bag x-ray equipment. As passengers deplaned and entered from the ramp, they had to clear security screening to get inside. I suspect that gates A and B at PWM were to handle unsecure arrivals by commuter aircraft.

This sort of things still exists in some places -- Seaport, for example, operates outside of the secure terminal in at least some places like MCI.


User currently offlinepwm2txlhopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6021 times:

Those were gates used for boarding computer flights at one point. The last time I remember them in use was in 1993, but remember them in use when I was a kid during the 1980s. I can remember Bar Harbor/ Easter ExPress flights using them, and later Business Express and NW airlink.

User currently offlinepwm2txlhopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

Quoting sirnoble (Reply 6):
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I believe those are some of the old ground level aircraft gates that were around prior to 2-3 expansions ago. I flew out of PWM in May, they did a beautiful job on the most recent expansion. Doesn't even feel like the jetport.


Correct. Those were the old ramp gates from PWM prior to the 1980 terminal expansion where jetways were added to what was then the new terminal expansion.


User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5008 times:

CID used to have pre security gates too. A gates were non secure ground commuter gates. B gates were secure ground commuter gates. I only see C gates in use there now when I go thru, the secure jetway gates. I remember seeing screening equipment in STL on the D concourse the screen passengers arriving there from TWExpress flights. I know before 9/11 if a plane carried 19 people or less it did not require security screening. I think there are still some US flights that don't require screening but I believe the passenger limit is lower then 19 now.

User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

Thanks to everyone for clearing this up, an unexpected little bit of aviation history! The idea of passenger flights that don't need screening didn't even cross my mind... I'm not sure we've had any of those in Europe in my lifetime.

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 13):
I think there are still some US flights that don't require screening but I believe the passenger limit is lower then 19 now.

SeaPort Airlines is one such example, several of their destinations require no screening. They fly PC-12s and Cessna Caravans.



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User currently offlineharleydriver From United States of America, joined May 2010, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4859 times:

Quoting pwm2txlhopper (Reply 11):
Those were gates used for boarding computer flights at one point. The last time I remember them in use was in 1993, but remember them in use when I was a kid during the 1980s. I can remember Bar Harbor/ Easter ExPress flights using them, and later Business Express and NW airlink.


I remember those days, I worked for Bar Harbor in BGR and would occasional drive to PWM to non-rev if I couldn't get a flight from BGR. My last flight out of PWM was in the early '90s so it's been a while but I do remember mainline gates for UA, DL and NW in addition to the two gates on the lower level. It was before the days of screening for commuter flights and we would arrive in BOS in a non-secure area then transfer through screening if I was catching a mainline flight.

Thanks for bringing back some memories, I haven't thought of that for a VERY long time!



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User currently offlinepwm2txlhopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Here are some old photos from PWM from before the first terminal expansion in 1980. The gates in question would have been located to the far right corner of the building where the nose of the DC-8 is pointed

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/77929_424399657624466_1227304695_o.jpg


http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/476747_345465792184520_1660977042_o.jpg

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/414160_347638155300617_449823623_o.jpg

Old terminal. Now the GA FBO




Taken 1962 on ramp where present day terminal sits.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/706129_449432965121135_471827016_o.jpg


User currently offlinepwm2txlhopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

Quoting harleydriver (Reply 15):

At that time there was no mainline NW. Not until 1999. There were gates for maineline UA, DL, CO, and US circa late 80's/early 1990's.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2136 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

ABQ still has pre security gates. New Mexico Airlines uses them for their Caravan flights around the state.

User currently offlinesirnoble From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Quoting pwm2txlhopper (Reply 16):

Those are awesome photos. Really shows how PWM has changed. Thanks for the feedback!

Quoting harleydriver (Reply 15):

You're welcome!

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 13):

I'm surprised that I didn't know that. Thanks!


User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Those ground level gates still existed up until 2008, when they built the landside Shipyard Brewing restaurant in its place.

I don't think the gates were used for boarding flights post-2001, but I do think that BusinessExpress used the ground level gates for commuter flights in the '90s. The doorways to the ramp still exist behind the Shipyard restaurant (I think), but they don't lead anywhere because the fixed RJ gate (gate 1 now) is in the way. Before the 2011 expansion opened, the RJ gate was still titled as gate 2, and gate 1 signage existed landside at the old ground level gates.

PWM is made up of four distinct sections these days. The original '70s jet terminal (as pictured above) was quite small. The 70s terminal still exists and makes up the area between baggage claim and approximately the current AirTran ticket counter (including the ground level gates). The '80s terminal expansion extended the airport To the west, to the current gate 10. In 2004 the terminal was expanded to the East, adding the current baggage claim, and finally the most recent addition was made in 2011 at the west side of the airport. If you look at the airport on Google Maps you can see the distinct outlines of each phase of the terminal's expansion.

pwm2txl, thanks for posting those photos! Is that an Eastern DC-8 in the first one? One correction though; the old brick terminal isn't the GA FBO anymore, the Northeast FBO is in the standalone hangar just to the South. The old terminal now houses the Maine Aviation flight school as well as the Civil Air Patrol wing.



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User currently offlineflyer62 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4390 times:

I remember most of all this, Pwm is my home airport.grew up going there and flying out of there,alot sure has changed,I remember the Northeast yellow bird,DC-9 and 727s,Bar harbor and Air new england,and did see the DC-8s 707s and 720s also convair 880s and 990s,but never got to see the Eastern DC-8-21,wish i had,Pwm looks awesome now!

User currently offlinepwm2txlhopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4209 times:

Flyer62,

Who ever flew 707s and Convairs to PWM? Must have been charters only? And with few passengers and cargo, because back in those days the runway was less than 6, 000 feet. Kind of short for early large passenger jets.

I wasn't born until 1980, but I grew up flying out of PWM. I thought I knew the history of the airport pretty well, but until I found the photos above, I never thought any 707s or DC-8s ever came through. However, you can confirm you saw them?

You're right, things have changed! Prior to the late 1980s, we had only DL, UA, PeopleExpress and regionals like Bar Harbor and Valley. US came around 1988. From there, things really took off! Many of my earliest memories involve flying DL 727s out PWM. Those trips triggered my love of all things aviation.


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Those old pictures are amazing!

I miss the classic jets!



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5675 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 13):
I think there are still some US flights that don't require screening but I believe the passenger limit is lower then 19 now.

I believe the limit actually sits at 50 seats or less for scheduled airline operations.



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25 sirnoble : Thanks for that information! They added the RJ gates when Independence took over UA's gate 10, right?
26 Yflyer : ANC has a couple of pre-security gates as well, and from what I observed in August 2011 they're quite heavily used. The airport resturant has a nice v
27 sirnoble : That's interesting. I'm surprised to hear that!
28 PWMRamper : That's correct, and they're still there. That old picture of PWM is astounding, haha. Never realized it looked quite like that. I so miss working/liv
29 ikramerica : SRQ has them, A gates, but I don't think they are in use any more. HNL had/has some. And of course ANC has them plus the entire seaplane airport next
30 flymia : While talking aboutre-security gates does FLL still have them? I remember using the commuter terminal at FLL flying from FLL to PID on Chalks. As othe
31 ghYHZ : Do the Twin Cities Air flights to YQI (a Cessna 402) use the main terminal or an FBO? The flights arriving at PWM would require customs.
32 Post contains links pwm2txlhopper : ghYHZ, No. They use to use the GA FBO. I'm not sure which one though? The plane usually arrived on the secondary runway and then taxied over to the ha
33 blink182 : Was the 70s era terminal a split level? Trying to figure out how ticketing and baggage would fit in there; that space is not big at all. The '80s ter
34 Post contains links and images pwm2txlhopper : blink182, Yes, the original present day passenger terminal was built in 1970s. It's the terminal shown in the photos above. ( Prior to that time, the
35 Post contains links and images pwm2txlhopper : PWM terminal with newest expansion View Larger Map View Larger Map[Edited 2013-01-03 12:02:12][Edited 2013-01-03 12:03:53]
36 ChrisNH : I noticed that here on airliners.net...the photos section...you are just given the option to search 'Maine.' Before, you could choose Portland or Bang
37 Post contains links and images PWMRamper : Since this seems to have become a PWM thread, here's a few pictures of the new expansion:
38 sirnoble : Nice pictures! I flew B6 out of the jetport over the summer to go to Florida. They did such an impressive job. It feels like you're in another airpor
39 Post contains links phatfarmlines : PIE Has a few non-secure gates, gate 14 in baggage claim, and formerly gate 1 would have been south of ticketing area A. I'm not sure the purpose of t
40 sirnoble : That's peculiar. Are there remanants of the gates?
41 Post contains links and images aloges : excellent idea from the access road just beautiful tons of space
42 Post contains images sirnoble : I took these photos when they had an open house for the new terminal on 10/1/11. It looks a lot different now, as there are actual passengers going th
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