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If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?  
User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11565 times:
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Which Caribbean airport (Mexico, U.S included) has the best chance of one day luring Lufthansa?

Cancun -( too many charters already)
San Juan, St. Marteen, Barbados - is there enough market?

Opinions welcome

Happy new year

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User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 747 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11562 times:

LH used to fly to SJU:

FRA-SJU-LIM(OR BOG)-LPB AND RETURN.

Think SJU can with ease be retaken ex FRA with smaller long-range aircraft than actually in the LH fleet.


User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11353 times:
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Quoting 123 (Reply 1):

I think if LH ever lands/ returns to the Caribbean, it would be with the A330, nothing larger


User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11340 times:

I think if it ever happens look for it to be on Condor,


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7632 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11272 times:

Havana after the Castros are gone and Cuba reforms and becomes a magnet for investment.


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11198 times:

Is DE flying to HAV? If it's, not sure if HAV currently could support 2 German scheduled airlines.
LH FRA/MUC-PUJ may be a possibility.
I can't see LH on Jamaica or Trinidad, unless something extraordinary draws it there.
Now that CM is in Star Alliance, LH is expected to fly to PTY sometime soon. Many (western) Caribbean and Centralamerican destinations will be available via PTY hub.



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11188 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):

Oh yes forgot about Havana

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 3):

Condor has been doing charters to Cancun ( and other Caribbean airports) from Germany for a long time now. The Dominican Republic is also popular, you hear Condor going in there all the time

Condor's FRA-CUN run has been going on for quite a while, during peak season I think is up 4 weekly, so I don't see LH looking at CUN at all


User currently offlineahlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11120 times:

Until the early or mid 90s LH used to fly FRA-ANU-SJU-FRA and FRA-SXM-SJU-FRA with I think 3-5 weekly flights total depending on the season. I took the ANU flights quite a few times as a kid.

User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10900 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 3):
I think if it ever happens look for it to be on Condor,

Condor has not been a part of LH for many years now. It is now part of the Thomas Cook group.



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10872 times:
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Quoting UALWN (Reply 8):
Condor has not been a part of LH for many years now. It is now part of the Thomas Cook group.

correct, but Condor does take market share away, possibily preventing regular-schedule flights


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8645 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10776 times:

I don't see LH ever going back to the Caribbean with the possible exception of HAV at some point in the distant future. LH has long pulled out of the leisure markets. There are way too many leisure/charter operators flying from various cities in Germany to the Caribbean. Even at MCO, they don't chase the leisure traveler, which is why they fly the A346 instead of a 744 with more Y seats.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10741 times:

Makes no sense for a high-cost premium-heavy carrier like LH to serve longhaul markets that are almost exclusively leisure destinations.

As already mentioned, they've served the Caribbean in the past and dropped the routes. Going back further, in the mid-1960s LH also served KIN and MBJ (once a week each) from JFK as intermediate stops on 707 flights to South America. Flight routings in the July 1966 timetable:

FRA-JFK-KIN-LIM-SCL
FRA-JFK-MBJ-GYE-LIM-SCL

They had 5th freedom rights on all sectors.


User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10533 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):
correct, but Condor does take market share away, possibily preventing regular-schedule flights

Indeed, but the post I was replying seemed to imply that if LH would ever go back to the Caribbean it would be under the Condor brand...



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User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10421 times:

I believe that up to a few years ago there were flights between FRA and TAB.

Many years ago I know then National Airline BWIA flew L10-11 Tristars to Germany (I believe more than one Airport in fact!).

Despite these historical ties and the ever increasing trade done between T&T and Germany, I doubt a non-stop flight is warranted as it may be to BGI or MBJ or HAV.

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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10151 times:

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 13):

They also had Fights into Muc and I think into Cgn



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User currently offlineturk223 From Barbados, joined Aug 2003, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9649 times:

DE has a few Caribbean destinations and I believe a lot of them are year-round... I remember DE DC-10s coming into BGI back in the 70s and 80s.

BW was busy in Germany in the early 90s when I worked with them; we served FRA, MUC, and CGN from POS, BGI, and UVF. However, I recall most of the fares sold were package deals - a niche DE fills rather well.

Doubt LH sees any real "high fare" opportunities...


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9394 times:

Doesn't Lufthansa fly to CCS? Technically, Venezuela has a coast in the Caribbean Sea 

Anyway, as mentioned, LH did serve SJU, but with even IB and BA pulling out, I doubt LH would ever serve SJU again. If anything, I'd expect HAV or SXM service before SJU.



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User currently offlineahlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9064 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16):
Doesn't Lufthansa fly to CCS?

Yes, they do, and CCS airport is right on the Caribbean coast.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8113 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 12):
Indeed, but the post I was replying seemed to imply that if LH would ever go back to the Caribbean it would be under the Condor brand...

Lufthansa no-longer owns Condor, it was sold to Thomas Cook, wasn't it?



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User currently onlinenitepilot79 From Turkey, joined May 2008, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7719 times:

Dominican Republic, maybe?


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9727 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7634 times:

All the carribean holiday destinations are well served by DE and AB. Neither warrants a daily service. May be HAV once that country is freed


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User currently offlinepecevanne From Mexico, joined Jun 2004, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7566 times:

Lufhansa, in 1960;s flew from Mexico City to Nassau, B707 service

User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 1002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6903 times:

A part of LH flies to the Caribbean with LH flight codes.

Lufthansa Cargo flies to BQN - Borinquen, Puerto Rico:

- dep. BQN 00:00 - arr. FRA 13:40 LH8263 M1F 8h40m Friday
- dep. BQN 22:40 - arr. FRA 12:20+1 LH8261 M1F 8h40m Saturday
- dep. BQN 22:50 - arr. FRA 12:30+1 LH8261 M1F 8h40m Tuesday


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6624 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 22):

Correct, but it is used as per my understanding as fuel stop point



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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5479 times:

I would like to see a 747-8 over at Princess Juliana, that would be a sight. Would the runway be long enough to support it? And yes I know that there isn't the market for a plane that size but we can always dream.


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25 dairy : at a time (1992-1994, I dont know exactly) the service to SJU or/and ANU passed by in SXM with Airbus A340-200, direct service from FRA. Before the 34
26 LH506 : Except for PTY, HAV, CUN, and SJO and in that order I do not see LH anywhere landing in the Carribean, CA region. PTY maybe in two to three years, HAV
27 Post contains images airbazar : Indeed and by the same token, they also fly to MEX and Mexico has a Caribbean coast But I understand that Isla Maragarita in Venezuela is a lovely pl
28 airjamaica : I have seen past photos of a LH DC10 in MBJ as well. Wasn't aware that they served KIN in the past as well. Interesting.
29 2008matt : Is there a real market for any of these flights to actually happen?
30 PanHAM : The market is well taken care off by Condor and Air Berlin
31 UALWN : Yes. That's what I said in reply #8. However, it's a little bit more complicated, because LH used to own part of Thomas Cook. However, that also ende
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