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Turkish Aviation January 2013  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19258 times:

HAPPY NEW YEAR, to all our Aviation friends here!!!!

We leave behind 2012 and hoping for a happy, peaceful 2013.



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2012 ended with significant orders from the Turkish duo; 15+5 77Ws and 15 333s for TK and 75+25 NEOs for Pegasus.
Congratulations to both companies!

Just to recap 2012 mildly for Turkish Aviation;
-Besides TK's WB order, TK suggested an order for 100 NB beginning of 2013.
-Also in works, a brand new Istanbul airport North of the city, we might see a groundbreaking in 2013, up to 5 interested developers as of now.
-TK launched many routes in 2012 and there are talks for 30+ more destinations in 2013; (in order of possible inaugural dates)

Libreville, Colombo, Luxor, Aswan, Houston, Gassim, Rotterdam, Abha, Santiago De Compostela, Malta, Salzburg, Asmara, Marseille, Constanta, Tallinn, Vilnius, Luxembourg, Kharkov, Luanda, Abuja, Kano, Caracas, Mexico City, Boston, Havana, San Fransisco, Montreal, Kuala Lumpur, Ndjamena, Juba, Kathamndu, Mazar-i Sharif, Friedrichshafen, Lankaran, Bogota, Aqaba, Bamako

Let's see in a year if all these become true. Since I like fact checking, last year this time TK said that they will increase African destinations to 35 in 2012 and they pretty much achieved it. So far Manila, Atlanta never came true and it is not on TK's above list.

-2012 saw for the first time 3 x daily IST-JFK flights ( 2 x 77W, 1 x 333). Starting early March 2013 the same is true.
-Also last year UA started EWR-IST. Let's see how they do after a year and if DL can keep IST open.
-Many frequencies went up. Can you believe TK flies 49 x weekly to FRA, 44 x weekly to London area, 32 X weekly to TLV?
-When said and done, TK will finish 2012 with 40Million pax. TK predicts to carry 46M pax in 2013.
-In terms of TK fleet; in 2013 we will see a net of 14 frames coming into the fleet to bring the total to 214 jets.
2 x 333s, 9 x 321s, 6 x 738s, 1 x 739, 2 x 332Fs will arrive while
3 x 734s, 1 x 737-700, 1 x 319 and 1 x 310F will leave the fleet.
-Also in 2013 we will see AC flying to IST and PAL flying from Manila. Let's see how this will affect TK's long haul plans.
-Atlasjet to open bunch of new domestic routes, they might bring in more planes to do this.
-In terms of rumors; we still yet to confirm if TK is in the market to lease 7 x 777s until owned frames arrive in 2014 AND, we still yet to confirm if the ordered 15+5 77Ws will not have the Comfort Class.


Welcome and join us with your news, rumors, ideas, videos, pictures, comments and good sense of humor.

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User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 19172 times:
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According to TK sources the new direct sceduled flights to following destination will be initiated from ESB quite soon, most probably with the coming summer timetable;

London (Not clear as to which airport, LHR is much needed but slot restrictions might push TK to use STN or LGW), Paris CDG (That will kill AF's plans to reinstate ESB in a short while at least), Rome FCO (AZ already announced they are starting thrice weekly to ESB on 25 March so TK may reconsider), Kiev, Medina, Mecca

4 more destinations to follow later in the year to bring the number of international destinations fom16 to 20

A regional hub at ESB will help TK to ease a little bit of pressure at IST most particularly from these trunk routes to destinations in Turkey and will give some free slots to TK at IST to utilize more on new long haul international network.


User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 18805 times:
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Someone was mentioning on the previous thread about Philippine Airlines' upcoming service from Manila to Istanbul, but the thread was locked......

Anyway, will mention this.......close to 75,000 Filipinos live in Greece. And with Singapore and Thai both eliminating Athens service, this eliminates two connection options. A PR/TK MNL-IST-ATH option equals anything else currently out there, at the very least, and could possibly be even better.


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 18762 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 2):
A PR/TK MNL-IST-ATH option equals anything else currently out there, at the very least, and could possibly be even better.

you still have the Gulf carriers in this equation. EK/EY/QR all three have atleast one daily to ATH and two daily flights to MNL. quite a competion in my eyes.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
TK flies 49 x weekly to FRA,

just a slight correct, this is together with the codeshares on LH equipment. nevertheless, we get the point and its amazing how frequencies went up in recent years

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Atlasjet to open bunch of new domestic routes, they might bring in more planes to do this.

KK has 15 orders for the CS300. once realized and delivered this will bring a whole different dimension to Turkish domestic aviation.
it is also quite interesting to see them expanding ex SAW.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-2012 saw for the first time 3 x daily IST-JFK flights ( 2 x 77W, 1 x 333). Starting early March 2013 the same is true.
-Also last year UA started EWR-IST. Let's see how they do after a year and if DL can keep IST open.

add the 3x weekly AC flight to YYZ


User currently offlineNuD38 From Germany, joined Jan 2011, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18592 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 1):
London (Not clear as to which airport, LHR is much needed but slot restrictions might push TK to use STN or LGW),

By the way, Star Alliance got the terminal 2 from BAA. All Star carriers will move to LHR terminal two. This might create further opportunities to get more slots.

"Once the new Terminal 2 opens in 2014, the 23 Star Alliance member carriers operating at Heathrow will move in various stages from their current locations."

http://www.staralliance.com/en/press/heathrow-airport-prp/


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18520 times:
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Quoting NuD38 (Reply 4):

I hope so LHR T2 can provide good connections exLHR to all Star * pax of course. LHR is a very important destination for TK and TK will benefit form this a great deal from this consolidation.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18465 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 2):
Someone was mentioning on the previous thread about Philippine Airlines' upcoming service from Manila to Istanbul, but the thread was locked......

In the tradition of "Turkish Aviation" threads, I start a new thread the first day of the month and the previous months' thread gets archived which makes "searches" easier. You can go search a month and a year easier than let's say "thread #23". But I also mentioned the PAL route on the original thread;

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Also in 2013 we will see AC flying to IST and PAL flying from Manila. Let's see how this will affect TK's long haul plans.

Also,

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 3):
just a slight correct, this is together with the codeshares on LH equipment. nevertheless, we get the point and its amazing how frequencies went up in recent years

Thanks Stylo, how many of those are on LH equipment? Thanks.


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18455 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 6):
Thanks Stylo, how many of those are on LH equipment?

21 iso 3 daily flights


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 18293 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 7):

Thanks,

TK33/34, Houston flights start in April and for the first 3 months they are running a special. Economy RT tickets IST-IAH for $518 including taxes. Friends in Houston say they are advertising this heavily.


User currently offlinekaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 18127 times:

HI Guys,

First of all great summary , really like the TK aviation threads,

Just wondering if any of you'll have heard the same

As per some sources a 4 aircraft deal has been signed with 9W for the 777s these wil be the Current aircraft which are with TG which will go to TK as their leases expire

Any idea where TK intends to use them as they will probably be with F class

Karan


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17970 times:

Quoting karan69 (Reply 9):
As per some sources a 4 aircraft deal has been signed with 9W for the 777s these wil be the Current aircraft which are with TG which will go to TK as their leases expire

Any idea where TK intends to use them as they will probably be with F class

in fact, if this is true two of the four birds have been already with TK on previous lease (HS-TKT/TKS)


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 17842 times:

Happy New Year every one.   

Lets see what excitement 2013 brings to the Turkish aviation scene.


This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80
6) San Francisco - 70
7) Miami - 68
8) NYC-ESB - 45
9) Houston - 37
10) Atlanta - 36
11) Seattle - 31
12) Washington-ESB - 25
13) Orlando - 23
14 Dallas - 23
15) Detroit - 19
16) Denver - 18
17) Philledelphia - 16
18) San Diego - 16
19) Las Vegas - 15
20) Phoenix - 12
21) Chicago-ESB - 12
22) Tampa - 9
23) Portland - 9
24) Charlotte - 9
25) Boston-ESB - 9
26) Raleigh - 8
27) Cleveland - 8
28) Cincinnati - 7
29) St Louis - 7
30) Pittsburgh - 7
31) Salt Lake - 6
32) Columbus -6
33) Austin - 6
34) Washington-ADA - 6
35) Minneapolis - 6
36) Kansas City - 5
37) San Antonio - 5
38) Indianapolis - 5
39) Jacksonville - 4
40) Nashville - 4
41) Memphis - 4
42) Norfolk - 4
43) Seattle-ESB - 4
44) Dallas-ESB -4
45) Buffalo - 3
46) Rochester - 3
47) Oklahoma City - 3
48) Nashville-Diyarbakir - 3
49) Tulsa - 2
50) Tucson - 2

*data is for demand traveling in both directions. For example, NYC total figure encompass local demand from New York to Istanbul as well as demand from Istanbul to New York. To determine PDEW (passenger daily each way) divide the total by 2.


Its also interesting to note the amazing growth of local US-Turkey traffic has seen in the last 10-years. For example back in 2001 not even 100,000 people flew between NYC and Turkey, and now the count is over 250,000 !
Add in huge and growing transit traffic, the numbers are even more impressive.

Turkey has truly become both a global transportation hub and a significant local home market.



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User currently offlinetransaeroyyz From Canada, joined Dec 2010, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 17784 times:

"Turkey has truly become both a global transportation hub and a significant local home market."

How has TK been able to attract people away from London, Paris, Frankfurt as a hub?


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 784 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 17767 times:

Quoting transaeroyyz (Reply 12):
How has TK been able to attract people away from London, Paris, Frankfurt as a hub?

Why does the growth of one hub has to be at the expense of another? Isn't global air traffic increasing?

When the economy of one country develops - does it actually worsen (or help) or economy of another?

Istanbul and TK have grown tremendously ... and as a result, IST is a madhouse these days  


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 784 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 17719 times:

Happy New Year to everyone!

Flew DAC-IST-JFK on New Year's Day ... the flights were on time, but service was drastically different.

IST-JFK ... flew Y+ ... amazing service, the legroom, amenities, large lavatory, and large food portions will make me miss this service whenever I fly something else. Great product ... flight was 100% full.

DAC-IST ... no Y+. Y was 100% full ... only 2 passengers in C. We got a terrible old A332 ... did not even have personal IFE. The interior lights were also not working properly. The flight attendants kept avoiding questions about the condition of the plane. I guess they knew the situation already. Seems TK is using DAC as a low yield, second grade destination.

But DAC seems to be sending a lot of connecting traffic. Atleast 26 people I counted on the JFK flight were from DAC alone ... that's close to one-tenth of the 77W! I wonder when will DAC get proper frames ... I don't think I'm going to fly this route on TK again unless I'm sure that newer planes are being used. The competition EK/EY/QR are providing much better and frequent service.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80
6) San Francisco - 70
7) Miami - 68
8) NYC-ESB - 45
9) Houston - 37
10) Atlanta - 36
11) Seattle - 31
12) Washington-ESB - 25
13) Orlando - 23
14 Dallas - 23
15) Detroit - 19
16) Denver - 18
17) Philledelphia - 16
18) San Diego - 16
19) Las Vegas - 15
20) Phoenix - 12

This is amazing! BOS seems to have more than SFO or MIA ... and more than double of SEA, DFW, ATL, etc ... big big hubs. It is strange that BOS is yet to get a TK or the Big 3 service from the ME (EK/EY/QR).


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2648 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 17688 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 14):
It is strange that BOS is yet to get a TK or the Big 3 service from the ME (EK/EY/QR).

Wait a few more months. Rumor has it EK will launch BOS in June or July of this year.

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 17605 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 14):

quite interesting to see them operating this route exclusively with the two former QR 332 TC-JNF/JNG
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/tk712


User currently offlineradiopolitic From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17522 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80
6) San Francisco - 70
7) Miami - 68
8) NYC-ESB - 45
9) Houston - 37

Interesting that given this info theyre deciding to launch Houston ahead of wishlist destinations such as Boston and SF.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 17483 times:

B77W utilization for S13

The following is the currently loaded flight program for the 12-strong TK B77W fleet for S13:

TK001 IST JFK 1315 1650 - block 10.35 - daily
TK002 JFK IST 1850 1140 - block 09.50 - daily

TK009 IST LAX 1245 1630 - block 13.45 - daily
TK010 LAX IST 1820 1710 - block 12.50 - daily

TK011 IST JFK 1820 2155 - block 10.35 - daily
TK012 JFK IST 2355 1645 - block 09.50 - daily

TK015 IST GRU 0930 1705 - block 13.35 - 4 weekly
TK015 GRU EZE 1820 2105 - block 02.45 - 4 weekly
TK016 EZE GRU 2300 0150 - block 02.50 - 4 weekly
TK016 GRU IST 1310 2135 - block 12.25 - 4 weekly

TK017 IST YYZ 1315 1725 - block 11.10 - 5 weekly
TK018 YYZ IST 2355 1645 - block 09.50 - 5 weekly

TK020 IST PEK 0035 1505 - block 09.30 - daily
TK021 PEK IST 0010 0525 - block 10.25 - daily

TK026 IST PVG 0035 1550 - block 10.15 - daily
TK027 PVG IST 2245 0545 - block 12.00 - daily

TK033 IST IAH 1305 1805 - block 13.00 - 4 weekly
TK034 IAH IST 1950 1555 - block 12.05 - 4 weekly

TK050 IST NRT 1655 1010 - block 11.15 - daily
TK051 NRT IST 1140 1745 - block 12.05 - daily

TK070 IST HKG 0055 1620 - block 10.25 - 6 weekly
TK071 HKG IST 2325 0545 - block 11.20 - 6 weekly

Total weekly utilization for this flight program adds up to 1,391 hours 25 min in block time for an average daily utilization rate of 16 hours 34 minutes per frame, which is very high by all standards. TK has an overnight operational spare overnight at IST on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, but on any other day all aircraft are scheduled. The relatively long ground times in PEK, PVG and HKG make those flights to most susceptible for delays, as TK can delay the late evening departure until the arrival of an aircraft the next morning with relatively minor impact on the overall operational stability.

If the deal for additional leased frames materializes, I would expect HKG to be made into a daily flight right away. Although TK could operate daily to HKG with the current fleet, such as move would seriously jeopardize operational reliability by reducing the operational spare capacity to just one frame on one night per week.

[Edited 2013-01-03 21:00:17]

[Edited 2013-01-03 21:01:12]

[Edited 2013-01-03 21:03:35]

User currently offlineTK773ER From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 17439 times:

Happy New Year to you all,

Interesting figures out TK is making its move slowly or quickly into the top ten world biggest airlines, It has jumped 7 places from 22 in Dec 2011 to 15 in Dec 2012 well done here is the link http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-lion-air-the-biggest-movers-93047

TK773ER


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 17412 times:

Quoting transaeroyyz (Reply 12):
How has TK been able to attract people away from London, Paris, Frankfurt as a hub?

While global traffic pie has grown, TK along with the likes of EK have certainly effected established carriers and disrupted previous demand flows.

In Turkey's particular case, not only has THY developed into a significant hub operator, but maybe more importantly Turkey since the 1980s has seen tremendous economic growth which has spurred huge growth in consumer activity including air travel demand.

Quoting ASA (Reply 14):
Seems TK is using DAC as a low yield, second grade destination.

In fairness you somewhat answered this comment. With mere 2 people in C class, you can see that the market is not quite one that demands very high end product. If TK has an all economy aircraft, DAC might very well be perfect for such offer.

The practical reality is markets like JFK, LHR, NRT etc, will get the new and high end products. And this is not just by TK, but by most airlines. Their premier aircraft will operate on ones premier revenue routes.

Though I agree with you that it would be nice to have a more consistent product across fleet types in things like seats and IFE offerings. Alas this is a weak point with TK seeing so much growth and a diverse fleet coming from different pedigrees.

Quoting radiopolitic (Reply 17):
Interesting that given this info theyre deciding to launch Houston ahead of wishlist destinations such as Boston and SF.

Keep in mind that local O&D is only part of the equation that is looked at. Matter of fact many recent TK routes - especially ones to Africa have virtually no existing local markets, but rely wholly on connection traffic flow.

Anyhow, I personally think IAH has a few reasons why it was launched so fast - first its a Star hub, but more importantly, two Turkish ministers visited Houston on separate occasions and were strongly courted and came home with the idea in their head that TK needed to serve IAH.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 18):
If the deal for additional leased frames materializes, I would expect HKG to be made into a daily flight right away.

Its bilateral limited.

TK was only able to increase it from 4 to 6x weekly in 2010. TK was able to get an extra bilateral (7th) frequency for W12, but HK did not authorize the same for S13.

I think unless CX resumes IST some time soon, I don't believe HK authorities are too open to increasing this any further at this time.



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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 17385 times:
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Quoting stylo777 (Reply 3):
you still have the Gulf carriers in this equation. EK/EY/QR all three have atleast one daily to ATH and two daily flights to MNL. quite a competion in my eyes.

True, to an extent.....but EK also now has convenient service from Adelaide to DXB.........in fact, EK has flights from at least FOUR Australian cities now. More Aussies on EK will fill up the DXB-ATH portion up a bit quicker than last year, meaning less seats for Filipinos and others.

Quoting transaeroyyz (Reply 12):
How has TK been able to attract people away from London, Paris, Frankfurt as a hub?

Two things. First of all, they serve cities that LHR/FRA/CDG don't have, particularly in Eastern Europe and the Middle East. Places like Sochi, Donetsk, and cities in Iran other then Tehran, etc.. Secondly, the taxes at LHR are hideous. CDG/FRA are better, but they are still less than any of the above.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

Seattle has fairly high numbers due to Microsoft and Boeing. In the case of Boeing, there is a lot of training and administrative issues, and you have TK employees, as well as personnel from the Turkish Air Force, coming here.


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 17373 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80
6) San Francisco - 70
7) Miami - 68
8) NYC-ESB - 45
9) Houston - 37
10) Atlanta - 36
11) Seattle - 31
12) Washington-ESB - 25
13) Orlando - 23
14 Dallas - 23
15) Detroit - 19
16) Denver - 18
17) Philledelphia - 16
18) San Diego - 16
19) Las Vegas - 15
20) Phoenix - 12
21) Chicago-ESB - 12
22) Tampa - 9
23) Portland - 9
24) Charlotte - 9
25) Boston-ESB - 9
26) Raleigh - 8
27) Cleveland - 8
28) Cincinnati - 7
29) St Louis - 7
30) Pittsburgh - 7
31) Salt Lake - 6
32) Columbus -6
33) Austin - 6
34) Washington-ADA - 6
35) Minneapolis - 6
36) Kansas City - 5
37) San Antonio - 5
38) Indianapolis - 5
39) Jacksonville - 4
40) Nashville - 4
41) Memphis - 4
42) Norfolk - 4
43) Seattle-ESB - 4
44) Dallas-ESB -4
45) Buffalo - 3
46) Rochester - 3
47) Oklahoma City - 3
48) Nashville-Diyarbakir - 3
49) Tulsa - 2
50) Tucson - 2

Let's see how long before a certain Turkish member publishes this in his website...

Great source of information though...



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User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 17291 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):

Thank you for including the numbers from ESB to various US destinations.

ESB deserves a thrice weekly direct service to JFK by TK.


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 17209 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):

This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80

LAXintl can you please explain more about this table? What exactly are the numbers? Daily two way total passenger average?



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25 TurkishWings : Agreed. Plus with AnadoluJet feeding ESB from various domestic cities, it could easily grow to daily...
26 TK787 : Thanks for posting this again. For comparison; when HB-IWC did this 77W utilization back in March 2011, average rate was 12 hours 41 minutes. At that
27 ankaraflyjet : North America ESB service can also further feed eastbound international service to IKA, Baghdad etc.
28 ASA : Agreed 100%. I realized that too (and was disappointed to see just the 2 passengers in C). I'm sure even EK and QR also use the older planes for DAC
29 ChrisNH : I'm hearing this, too. But with such a new addition for Boston (route/airline) I'm wondering why they haven't declared their intentions before now wi
30 Post contains images LAXintl : Maybe one day, but I don't believe we are anywhere close yet based on passenger demand. Today's numbers are easily handled over existing service at o
31 Post contains links TK787 : http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...pageID=238&nID=38403&NewsCatID=338 RTE to tour Africa; Gabon, Niger and Senegal; Any idea if this be wi
32 Post contains links and images readytotaxi : Nice to see that the airline is doing well into 2013, in the UK the airlines has been advertising on TV quite a lot with this advert. http://www.youtu
33 777way : Thats strange since they are flying their new A333s to Kabul.
34 TurkishWings : Higher fares, higher yields... That's pretty much where TK sends their new airplanes... TK still has a few 737+400 and you only see them do domestic
35 Post contains links stylo777 : ...as well as three A319s (ex IzAir) doing the same Eastern Turkey missions. http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/tc-jua http://www.flightrada
36 LAXintl : Kabul flights draw lots of high fare traffic including healthy business class loads. With TK being one of only a few travel options, lots of foreigner
37 leftyboarder : TK extending Male to Colombo acc to airlineroute.net. Posting this on mobile so can't copy further details now.
38 Post contains links TurkishWings : Here you go till 31JAN13 TK730 IST2025 – 0710+1MLE 330 x15 TK731 MLE0845 – 1410IST 330 x26 eff 01FEB13 TK730 IST0015 – 1100MLE1215 – 1415CMB
39 Post contains images Fuling : I know it is off the current topic, but I thought I will point out a minor photoshop error on the TK website. In picture number 1 of the slideshow sec
40 Post contains links and images leftyboarder : The same ball is used by both Messi and Kobe, which is indeed the same symbol used in any number of recent TK ads. See here for example: http://www.t
41 Fuling : I have seen the adverts, I just thought it was strange because Kobe Bryant plays basketball.
42 leftyboarder : I know. That ball is neither a football nor a basketball but a globe fashioned into a ball with the TK logo on it.
43 TK787 : Colombo, one more city from the wish list coming true. Congratulations to TK. I wonder if I asked this before, but is it not possible to fly this rou
44 Post contains images emrecan : No way for a 739
45 stylo777 : IST-MLE should be filled with touristis, honeymooners and vacationers from all over Europe with one-stop only. There are limited options from Europe
46 TK787 : Thanks Stylo777, Also I forgot to ask, even if the 739ERs can do it, what is the situation with ETOPS and TK 739s?
47 Fuling : Yes that what I thought. To me it looks more like a TK coloured soccerball, hence the post. I suppose it can be a globe too.
48 abrelosojos : LBV is going to happen very soon. An operational readiness team was in LBV at the end of 2012 ... Saludos, A.[Edited 2013-01-08 18:12:28]
49 LAXintl : Yes Gabon is happening. It was virtually announced today as Turkish prime minister and delegation of 300 business men are there today. They inaugurate
50 abrelosojos : = Haha. That is funny. I had no idea. Anyways, service to start soon. When I spoke with them, it will be tagged and PM was apparently negotiating a c
51 Post contains images leftyboarder : Tagged to where though? Essentially every point in West Africa is coupled with some other point as is
52 Post contains images stylo777 : geographically as well as logically it can only be tagged with those four destinations from their wishlist: Luanda, Angola (LAD), Abuja, Nigeria (ABV
53 Post contains images stylo777 : by the way, TK's African Network of already existing routes. Quite astonishing if you ask me! (map source gcmap.com)
54 Post contains images Yakamoz : Thanks stylo for the map; in the same time I was creating the same On the African wish list is now: Libreville (starts 23th January) Luxor (planned st
55 TK787 : Thanks guys, a great achievement on TK's part in such a short time. I mean if they keep going on like this, not a whole lot of place left to fly in A
56 leftyboarder : For now, Southern Africa seems to be the weakest. Zambia, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Botswana all have sizeable mining economies that see business demand. Oth
57 SCQ83 : I can think of FNA and SSG (no other ME airline serves them) or MPM (booming economy, QR started not long ago). Maybe MPM could work with a secondary
58 Post contains links leftyboarder : And TK wet-leases (not sure if that is a good idea but they are short term after all) 3 332s: http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...airlines-wet-leas
59 TK787 : Thanks for the news. Now this is more like it; than to lease 7 x 777s. Just did a quick search and Meridiana 332 will join its sister at TK. Newer fr
60 abrelosojos : Are they not trying to get the bilateral to do LBV-LAD? Saludos, A.
61 LAXintl : The January issue of ATW has an interview with Ali Sabanci of Pegasus. A few highlights: o He views greatest growth potential in Central Asia'-stan co
62 leftyboarder : Although a LCC getting into an alliance is rather rare, nevertheless there are examples of partnerships between legacies and LCCs around the world. T
63 Yakamoz : Turkish Airlines expand flights to Venice, Edinburgh and Naples: Turkish Airlines from 31MAR13 is increasing operations on Istanbul – Venice service
64 stylo777 : An A330-200 with Spanish EC-LKE registration has been seen in front of TK hangars
65 A388 : Hello guys, What's the latest on the A380/748 order for TK and maybe a 789/A359 order? With TK having ordered more 77W's I can't see a A359 order anyt
66 Yakamoz : Bloomberg wrote about potential A388 order beside the big narrowbody order. İ don't think they will order A350. A330 make a good job and so they ord
67 Post contains links LAXintl : Appears the formal tender for the 3rd airport is about to be released in coming couple weeks, with wide interest from foreign firms. Also the bid for
68 Post contains links leftyboarder : TK starts LBV (as if we didn't see that one coming) on Jan 31st: Routing is IST-DLA-LBV-IST, 3 times a week. That makes DLA a daily destination, toget
69 NuD38 : I would love to see A388 with TK livery. Not because it is prestigious or anything. It is a great product. Specious, comfortable and quiet. My last e
70 debonair : True - the engines are not the problem, as THY will only lease the a/c from others airlines (and these companies are responsible for maintenance and
71 Yakamoz : Do I understand right, that TK will operate 3 weekly IST-DLA-LBV and 4 weekly IST-Yaounde-DLA?
72 leftyboarder : The actual routings are IST-NSI-DLA-IST x247 IST-DLA-LBV-IST 247 Both on 739ER.
73 Yakamoz : Thanks. 31.01. Libreville 01.02. Colombo 01.04. Houston 21.05. Santiago de Compostela 07.06. Constanta These should be the confirmed new destionation
74 ankaraflyjet : Just completed a flight by TK on Comfort Class from ESB to LAX via IST. Comfort is a great product and I sincerely hope TK will continue to keep this
75 leftyboarder : I too think TK takes domestic connecting passengers for granted. If ESB/ADB had a few other good connection options on AF/KL/BA that would change. Ev
76 Post contains images TurkishWings : Boys and girls I need your help: I am landing to SAW on January 27 at 18:10 and there is the Galatasaray-Besiktas football game at 19:00. I need to fi
77 Post contains links and images LAXintl : Enjoy your vist. If you need anything, please PM me. Suggest the large Viaport shopping mall north of the airport on the O-4 motorway. On the bottom
78 Post contains links Alsatian : SunExpress will serve its first French destination from 3 APR with the launch of an Izmir - Strasbourg route : XQ 918 ADB 1545 - 1805 SXB --3---- 73H
79 LAXintl : TK resumes Kuala Lumpur 4x weekly on A340 effective April 25th. Mon/Wed/Thu/Sat TK060 IST-KUL 0115-1650 TK061 KUL-IST 2315-0535+1
80 Post contains links LAXintl : Here is an interesting venture - TAV & ADP plans to join forces and bid on rights manage NYC LaGuardia's planned new Central Terminal Building (CT
81 Post contains images leftyboarder : That leaves Strasbourg and Miami as the only routes canceled by TK ever. MIA we might see in the next few years but Strasbourg... And it also shows t
82 HB-IWC : There is no way that KUL can be funded with what is currently loaded for the seven remaining A343s for next summer: TK007/008 IAD - daily TK068/069 B
83 Post contains links and images leftyboarder : Tick two more off the wishlist... TLL/VNO will be starting as IST-TLL-VNO-IST on Jun 11, 2013 3weekly by A319. Source: http://airlineroute.net/2013/01
84 Post contains images Yakamoz : 2 days left, and I have to do a new agenda 31.01. Libreville 01.02. Colombo (over Male) 01.04. Houston 25.04. Kuala Lumpur 21.05. Santiago de Composte
85 TK787 : I love it when I get up in the morning there are 6 unread posts, brings me joy to get these news daily. Thanks everybody! Very interesting. That's why
86 Post contains images leftyboarder : Well. Strasbourg has some VFR traffic but premium demand has a lot to do with EU related travel; now that Turkey-EU is in the backburner this may take
87 HB-IWC : The first leased A332 was placed in commercial service earlier this week. EI-EZL operated TK712/713 IST DAC IST. It seems despite an imminent increase
88 Alsatian : As stated in reply 78, SunExpress will launch ADB - SXB from April. If Pegasus resume its AYT - SXB service (charter flight on behalf of FTI and Mavi
89 stylo777 : 9M-MUC, a A332F freighter of MAS Cargo, has also been seen in IST and its said to do wet-lease ops on behalf of TK Cargo to Asia. yeah, thats really
90 soups : KMS will be a good destination for TK, No international service to KMS yet and people keep having to travel to ACC.. Maybe a triangle routine via ABV,
91 Yakamoz : My list was over all wish destinations, not just this year, and after the confirmed there are now 30. Temel Kotil talks about 33 destinations this ye
92 ASA : Yeah ... beats me as well. I was just in DAC the other day and saw one of the older A332s. We keep getting the IFE-less, lights-not-working, and worn
93 Turkish350XWB : I think we should understand this number as an approximation and not as an exact number. A lot can happen. Maybe it will be more, maybe less. After t
94 Turkish350XWB : I forget Iceland, but this is quite far and small...
95 Post contains images TurkishWings : Singapore is also quite far and small
96 Post contains images Turkish350XWB : In size yes, in population no Iceland 320.000, Singapore 5.310.000.
97 SCQ83 : I don't pretend to begin a political discussion, but I noticed TK does not serve neither LCA nor PFO. Is this because of some political reason? I wou
98 Yakamoz : Political reason. There are no nonstop flights to Turkish Cyprus because of that. So Turkey boykot flights to Greek Cyprus. So when for example Fener
99 LAXintl : Figured I would start something new. A look back at historic timetables. First one - THY in 1956. Route / weekly frequency / equipment type; Passenger
100 Post contains links TK773ER : Looks like TK has its sights on becoming a five star airline this year according to this article http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...38&nID=394
101 ankaraflyjet : The addititons to that list would/should include Vancouver Seattle Calgary from North America
102 leftyboarder : And half a dozen cities each from India and China!
103 B747forever : How many of TKs current destinations are not served non stop both ways? Sometimes I get a feeling that TK just wants to expand in order to boast abou
104 Yakamoz : There was 38 in the wish list, 8 of them confirmed, and there are now 30. At the moment, TK fly to 217 destinations in 97 countries. Asia: 33 countri
105 Yakamoz : Buenos Aires over Sao Paulo Gyandzha over Nakhichevan (Azerbaijan) Ouagadougou over Niamey Douala over Yaounde (Douala will be out of list when Libre
106 leftyboarder : Very few airlines fly to some of the destinations TK does in Africa, and most that do (AF/KL/SN/LH), do so with a few flights per week as well - chec
107 Post contains images TK773ER : There was 38 in the wish list, 8 of them confirmed, and there are now 30. At the moment, TK fly to 217 destinations in 97 countries. Thanks for the i
108 Post contains links tkfan : I dont know if it implies something, there is a nice presentation of TK Cargo. look at page 11 with planned routes for 2012/2013. If this is the timel
109 Yakamoz : Why June? Where they are write it?
110 777jaah : There are rumours locally sating that TK is interested in flying to BOG starting mid June. If they do, it could be a IST-BOG-CCS-IST routing, to avoi
111 tkfan : Just an assumption. If we look to the given inaugural dates of TLL/VNO and LUX both in June, HAV-MEX is in between, In the list, only KUL is wrongly
112 HB-IWC : I believe that KUL will eventually receive a tag. If SIN and BKK are not served as a terminator, then why would KUL be. What has happened to MNL? Is i
113 Yakamoz : Good thought. Could be. But does Luxemburg has a fixed starting date? I read something about 21 June but this was until yet not confirmed. I think to
114 SCQ83 : PAL is due to start MNL-IST
115 radiopolitic : Keep hearing about this but I thought this was dependent on a new bilateral, which there doesn't seem to be much movement on?
116 HB-IWC : A KUL MNL legs would not fit into the schedule, i.e. it would be hard to have the aircraft out of IST around 1 am and back at 6 am the next day. IST
117 777way : Peshawar might be a boon for TK, howcome you added that in your list instead of Lahore?
118 Post contains links emrecan : Latest update of TK flights... http://airlineroute.net/2013/01/22/tk-europe-s13update3/
119 Yakamoz :
120 777jaah : If rerouting is BOG-CCS-IST I see no problem with BOG's altitude. I don't know if the 333 has the legs for the IST-BOG leg, which btw, would be the l
121 TurkishWings : Istanbul – Venice Service increases from 17 to 19 weekly, 21 weekly from 22APR13 Of all the frequency increases, this is the most surprising one fo
122 Post contains links and images TurkishWings : I guess I will answer my own question but this is probably the reason Never knew VCE was so popular... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar...s-face-e
123 SCQ83 : Veneto is a dense and populated region (4-5 million ppl) and one of the wealthiest regions in Italy. The other significant airport is VRN but for now
124 Post contains links LAXintl : Tender for the new Istanbul airport to be released on Thursday. The airport is planned to have initial capacity of 90 million passengers annually with
125 Post contains images gokmengs : I finally switched from DL to TK in my US- Turkey trips and I wanted to write my impressions here. I flew J round trip and as advertised and as I know
126 Post contains images emrecan : Hi Gokmen, You shoul have written this on Turkish' FB page, they would solve the problem more fast
127 LAXintl : Welcome to the Turkish side. While not perfect, they do offer a decent product. Also having a much broader schedule JFK-IST you have bigger selection
128 stylo777 : airlineroute.net reports five new services for TK from SAW in S13: AMS, LGW, MXP, CDG, VIE. surprised not to see FRA or DUS in this list. also, lookin
129 777way : LHE has maybe couple more airlines than PEW.
130 StationManager : How about Alicante - ALC? 10 million pax airport, reference airport for 3 million people. 4th focus in Spain in terms of GDP, industry and asian inmig
131 Steelyman : First SCQ is to come for TK in Spain as of MAY
132 leftyboarder : I think the current bilateral allows for 7 points, so after BCN, MAD, BIO, SCQ, AGP and VLC they have 1 more possibility before an amendment in neces
133 Yakamoz : Alicante could be start 2014. We will see. Is there any possibility (source) to check the bilterals between Turkey and the other countries? Then we co
134 leftyboarder : Only if the other country's aviation authority / department related to air transport has made this info public I think. SHGM doesn't make this info pu
135 TurkishWings : This is what most likely will happen: Day 1: After daily flights, the A/C arrives in ESB, AYT, ADB etc late in the evening and spend the night there.
136 Turkish350XWB : Guys, a video with the rendering of the 3rd airport has been released. Looks great! have a look at it at airporthaber.
137 LAXintl : Well the 3rd airport is billed as "world's biggest airport". Some details: o Deadline for bids May 3rd. o Airport project conducted under a BOT model
138 stylo777 : compensation aside, if TAV doesn't win this project I assume they will be more or less out of serious airport business. interesting times ahead!
139 leftyboarder : They have AdP as a major shareholder, that should help them financially. I am happy for Istanbul and TK regarding this project, but what about other
140 radiopolitic : This looks like an incredibly poor copy of Eero Saarinen's Dulles terminal building. I hope this isn't what they go for.
141 LAXintl : TAV is a lot more than IST these days. They have other Turkish airports like Ankara, Izmir, Adana, plus its overseas ventures. They are even trying t
142 factsonly : Indeed the fastest TK connection between European cities and Ankara is now via SAW: - dep. 15:35 AMS - Arr.20:10 SAW TK1962 daily - dep. 21:10 SAW -
143 leftyboarder : Btw, apparently Kotil has expressed to Reuters that in addition to exercising the 5 options for 77W, Tak is about to finalize 5 more 333 orders as ear
144 ankaraflyjet : Just so you know TK flies non-stop between ESB and AMS so the fastest trip between the two is to take the direct service. However, SAW is a better co
145 Post contains links Planemaker : And more than 100 NBs by the end of March.
146 ankaraflyjet : TK is reinstating thrice weekly ESB FRA as of May 1st. This will be yearround service by 737-800 LH will reinstate daily ESB FRA as of March 25th by A
147 Post contains images leftyboarder : Umm, we tick two more off the list... SZG and LUX dates and freq firmed according to airlineroute.net. Istanbul Ataturk – Luxembourg eff 25JUN13 NEW
148 Post contains links Yakamoz : TK A321 TC-JRI had a lightning strike last night with burning engine during approach ADB. You can read about the incident here: http://www.avherald.co
149 amax1977 : Is it feasible to see TK at SFO in 2013?
150 ymincrement : Is it normal to loose one engine by lightning ? Why did the system finished that fire for s long time.. Can there be a lack of maintanence that I know
151 cmoltay : I have a theory that the engine was not lost directly by the lightning hit, but stalled due to ingestion of superheated air caused by the lightning an
152 Post contains links TK787 : Here is another thread and links; Turkish Airlines Plane Struck By Lightning (by virgin744 Jan 25 2013 in Civil Aviation)
153 boun : Do we have updated news on the leasing of 777s?
154 LAXintl : Regarding the new Istanbul airport, both FRAport and Schiphol Group say they is interested in bidding on the 25-year operating concession. FRAport alr
155 TK787 : How would this work? Since you know a lot about cargo ops, how could TK keep its Cargo flights to IST when TK moves all its operations to the new air
156 Post contains images LAXintl : A THY 777 managed to have the door ripped off when jetway collapsed on Friday. No injuries as incident happened after all the passengers had deplaned.
157 TK787 : But don't you think they will all move to the new airport once its open? Why would they remain at IST when most of the Cargo will be at the new airpo
158 TK1244 : I think it will be eventually moved to the new airport, but some traffic has to stay at IST so that the govenment doesn't need to pay much compensati
159 LAXintl : Freight forwards community wont leave the area around IST for a remote 3rd airport as it would go against their business interest as it would place th
160 TK787 : From ch aviation; Turkish Airlines (TK, Istanbul Atatürk/Yesilköy International (IST)) chairman Hamdi Topcu has told Reuters that THY is in the proc
161 LAXintl : ALC here in Los Angeles is leasing Corendon Airlines a 737-800. MSN 32920 planned delivery is end of February for a 5-year period.
162 bahadir : THY Globally Yours ? Really? I tried to book a last minute ticket on THY.com but their website was already in Jan 29th mood as it's tailored to the lo
163 Northstar80 : So what is the total number of WB ordered last year to today (incliding the leases) ?
164 TK787 : I also will be happy with professional attire and good command of English and a global clock. "Hottie" or not I don't care. Someone correct me if I'm
165 Turkish350XWB : It's a long way to go. I always feel the difference in professionalism between TK and let's say LH. Becoming 5-star requires more than just good food
166 Northstar80 : Also there was a rumor of 7 leased 77Ws, right?
167 TK787 : Mostly correct according to my count; except; -Not sure if the added 5 x 333s (options) will be received by then. -343s might be still around by 2017
168 NuD38 : I believe they will be parked at the destination airport. TG parks its one of three A380s at FRA for 8+ hours.
169 Post contains images bahadir : My flight was smooth with good service and a bit chat with FAs. They loved the light loads, about 100 seats filled in economy. We boarded and disembar
170 Post contains links TK787 : Thanks for the short TR Bahadir, Please continue here: Turkish Aviation February 2013 (by TK787 Jan 31 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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