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Turkish Aviation January 2013  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 19000 times:

HAPPY NEW YEAR, to all our Aviation friends here!!!!

We leave behind 2012 and hoping for a happy, peaceful 2013.



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2012 ended with significant orders from the Turkish duo; 15+5 77Ws and 15 333s for TK and 75+25 NEOs for Pegasus.
Congratulations to both companies!

Just to recap 2012 mildly for Turkish Aviation;
-Besides TK's WB order, TK suggested an order for 100 NB beginning of 2013.
-Also in works, a brand new Istanbul airport North of the city, we might see a groundbreaking in 2013, up to 5 interested developers as of now.
-TK launched many routes in 2012 and there are talks for 30+ more destinations in 2013; (in order of possible inaugural dates)

Libreville, Colombo, Luxor, Aswan, Houston, Gassim, Rotterdam, Abha, Santiago De Compostela, Malta, Salzburg, Asmara, Marseille, Constanta, Tallinn, Vilnius, Luxembourg, Kharkov, Luanda, Abuja, Kano, Caracas, Mexico City, Boston, Havana, San Fransisco, Montreal, Kuala Lumpur, Ndjamena, Juba, Kathamndu, Mazar-i Sharif, Friedrichshafen, Lankaran, Bogota, Aqaba, Bamako

Let's see in a year if all these become true. Since I like fact checking, last year this time TK said that they will increase African destinations to 35 in 2012 and they pretty much achieved it. So far Manila, Atlanta never came true and it is not on TK's above list.

-2012 saw for the first time 3 x daily IST-JFK flights ( 2 x 77W, 1 x 333). Starting early March 2013 the same is true.
-Also last year UA started EWR-IST. Let's see how they do after a year and if DL can keep IST open.
-Many frequencies went up. Can you believe TK flies 49 x weekly to FRA, 44 x weekly to London area, 32 X weekly to TLV?
-When said and done, TK will finish 2012 with 40Million pax. TK predicts to carry 46M pax in 2013.
-In terms of TK fleet; in 2013 we will see a net of 14 frames coming into the fleet to bring the total to 214 jets.
2 x 333s, 9 x 321s, 6 x 738s, 1 x 739, 2 x 332Fs will arrive while
3 x 734s, 1 x 737-700, 1 x 319 and 1 x 310F will leave the fleet.
-Also in 2013 we will see AC flying to IST and PAL flying from Manila. Let's see how this will affect TK's long haul plans.
-Atlasjet to open bunch of new domestic routes, they might bring in more planes to do this.
-In terms of rumors; we still yet to confirm if TK is in the market to lease 7 x 777s until owned frames arrive in 2014 AND, we still yet to confirm if the ordered 15+5 77Ws will not have the Comfort Class.


Welcome and join us with your news, rumors, ideas, videos, pictures, comments and good sense of humor.

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User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 18914 times:

According to TK sources the new direct sceduled flights to following destination will be initiated from ESB quite soon, most probably with the coming summer timetable;

London (Not clear as to which airport, LHR is much needed but slot restrictions might push TK to use STN or LGW), Paris CDG (That will kill AF's plans to reinstate ESB in a short while at least), Rome FCO (AZ already announced they are starting thrice weekly to ESB on 25 March so TK may reconsider), Kiev, Medina, Mecca

4 more destinations to follow later in the year to bring the number of international destinations fom16 to 20

A regional hub at ESB will help TK to ease a little bit of pressure at IST most particularly from these trunk routes to destinations in Turkey and will give some free slots to TK at IST to utilize more on new long haul international network.


User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18547 times:

Someone was mentioning on the previous thread about Philippine Airlines' upcoming service from Manila to Istanbul, but the thread was locked......

Anyway, will mention this.......close to 75,000 Filipinos live in Greece. And with Singapore and Thai both eliminating Athens service, this eliminates two connection options. A PR/TK MNL-IST-ATH option equals anything else currently out there, at the very least, and could possibly be even better.


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 18504 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 2):
A PR/TK MNL-IST-ATH option equals anything else currently out there, at the very least, and could possibly be even better.

you still have the Gulf carriers in this equation. EK/EY/QR all three have atleast one daily to ATH and two daily flights to MNL. quite a competion in my eyes.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
TK flies 49 x weekly to FRA,

just a slight correct, this is together with the codeshares on LH equipment. nevertheless, we get the point and its amazing how frequencies went up in recent years

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Atlasjet to open bunch of new domestic routes, they might bring in more planes to do this.

KK has 15 orders for the CS300. once realized and delivered this will bring a whole different dimension to Turkish domestic aviation.
it is also quite interesting to see them expanding ex SAW.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-2012 saw for the first time 3 x daily IST-JFK flights ( 2 x 77W, 1 x 333). Starting early March 2013 the same is true.
-Also last year UA started EWR-IST. Let's see how they do after a year and if DL can keep IST open.

add the 3x weekly AC flight to YYZ


User currently offlineNuD38 From Germany, joined Jan 2011, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 18334 times:
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Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 1):
London (Not clear as to which airport, LHR is much needed but slot restrictions might push TK to use STN or LGW),

By the way, Star Alliance got the terminal 2 from BAA. All Star carriers will move to LHR terminal two. This might create further opportunities to get more slots.

"Once the new Terminal 2 opens in 2014, the 23 Star Alliance member carriers operating at Heathrow will move in various stages from their current locations."

http://www.staralliance.com/en/press/heathrow-airport-prp/


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 18262 times:

Quoting NuD38 (Reply 4):

I hope so LHR T2 can provide good connections exLHR to all Star * pax of course. LHR is a very important destination for TK and TK will benefit form this a great deal from this consolidation.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 18207 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 2):
Someone was mentioning on the previous thread about Philippine Airlines' upcoming service from Manila to Istanbul, but the thread was locked......

In the tradition of "Turkish Aviation" threads, I start a new thread the first day of the month and the previous months' thread gets archived which makes "searches" easier. You can go search a month and a year easier than let's say "thread #23". But I also mentioned the PAL route on the original thread;

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Also in 2013 we will see AC flying to IST and PAL flying from Manila. Let's see how this will affect TK's long haul plans.

Also,

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 3):
just a slight correct, this is together with the codeshares on LH equipment. nevertheless, we get the point and its amazing how frequencies went up in recent years

Thanks Stylo, how many of those are on LH equipment? Thanks.


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 18197 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 6):
Thanks Stylo, how many of those are on LH equipment?

21 iso 3 daily flights


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 18035 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 7):

Thanks,

TK33/34, Houston flights start in April and for the first 3 months they are running a special. Economy RT tickets IST-IAH for $518 including taxes. Friends in Houston say they are advertising this heavily.


User currently offlinekaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2887 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 17869 times:

HI Guys,

First of all great summary , really like the TK aviation threads,

Just wondering if any of you'll have heard the same

As per some sources a 4 aircraft deal has been signed with 9W for the 777s these wil be the Current aircraft which are with TG which will go to TK as their leases expire

Any idea where TK intends to use them as they will probably be with F class

Karan


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17712 times:

Quoting karan69 (Reply 9):
As per some sources a 4 aircraft deal has been signed with 9W for the 777s these wil be the Current aircraft which are with TG which will go to TK as their leases expire

Any idea where TK intends to use them as they will probably be with F class

in fact, if this is true two of the four birds have been already with TK on previous lease (HS-TKT/TKS)


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 17584 times:

Happy New Year every one.   

Lets see what excitement 2013 brings to the Turkish aviation scene.


This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80
6) San Francisco - 70
7) Miami - 68
8) NYC-ESB - 45
9) Houston - 37
10) Atlanta - 36
11) Seattle - 31
12) Washington-ESB - 25
13) Orlando - 23
14 Dallas - 23
15) Detroit - 19
16) Denver - 18
17) Philledelphia - 16
18) San Diego - 16
19) Las Vegas - 15
20) Phoenix - 12
21) Chicago-ESB - 12
22) Tampa - 9
23) Portland - 9
24) Charlotte - 9
25) Boston-ESB - 9
26) Raleigh - 8
27) Cleveland - 8
28) Cincinnati - 7
29) St Louis - 7
30) Pittsburgh - 7
31) Salt Lake - 6
32) Columbus -6
33) Austin - 6
34) Washington-ADA - 6
35) Minneapolis - 6
36) Kansas City - 5
37) San Antonio - 5
38) Indianapolis - 5
39) Jacksonville - 4
40) Nashville - 4
41) Memphis - 4
42) Norfolk - 4
43) Seattle-ESB - 4
44) Dallas-ESB -4
45) Buffalo - 3
46) Rochester - 3
47) Oklahoma City - 3
48) Nashville-Diyarbakir - 3
49) Tulsa - 2
50) Tucson - 2

*data is for demand traveling in both directions. For example, NYC total figure encompass local demand from New York to Istanbul as well as demand from Istanbul to New York. To determine PDEW (passenger daily each way) divide the total by 2.


Its also interesting to note the amazing growth of local US-Turkey traffic has seen in the last 10-years. For example back in 2001 not even 100,000 people flew between NYC and Turkey, and now the count is over 250,000 !
Add in huge and growing transit traffic, the numbers are even more impressive.

Turkey has truly become both a global transportation hub and a significant local home market.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinetransaeroyyz From Canada, joined Dec 2010, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17526 times:

"Turkey has truly become both a global transportation hub and a significant local home market."

How has TK been able to attract people away from London, Paris, Frankfurt as a hub?


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17509 times:

Quoting transaeroyyz (Reply 12):
How has TK been able to attract people away from London, Paris, Frankfurt as a hub?

Why does the growth of one hub has to be at the expense of another? Isn't global air traffic increasing?

When the economy of one country develops - does it actually worsen (or help) or economy of another?

Istanbul and TK have grown tremendously ... and as a result, IST is a madhouse these days  


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 17461 times:

Happy New Year to everyone!

Flew DAC-IST-JFK on New Year's Day ... the flights were on time, but service was drastically different.

IST-JFK ... flew Y+ ... amazing service, the legroom, amenities, large lavatory, and large food portions will make me miss this service whenever I fly something else. Great product ... flight was 100% full.

DAC-IST ... no Y+. Y was 100% full ... only 2 passengers in C. We got a terrible old A332 ... did not even have personal IFE. The interior lights were also not working properly. The flight attendants kept avoiding questions about the condition of the plane. I guess they knew the situation already. Seems TK is using DAC as a low yield, second grade destination.

But DAC seems to be sending a lot of connecting traffic. Atleast 26 people I counted on the JFK flight were from DAC alone ... that's close to one-tenth of the 77W! I wonder when will DAC get proper frames ... I don't think I'm going to fly this route on TK again unless I'm sure that newer planes are being used. The competition EK/EY/QR are providing much better and frequent service.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80
6) San Francisco - 70
7) Miami - 68
8) NYC-ESB - 45
9) Houston - 37
10) Atlanta - 36
11) Seattle - 31
12) Washington-ESB - 25
13) Orlando - 23
14 Dallas - 23
15) Detroit - 19
16) Denver - 18
17) Philledelphia - 16
18) San Diego - 16
19) Las Vegas - 15
20) Phoenix - 12

This is amazing! BOS seems to have more than SFO or MIA ... and more than double of SEA, DFW, ATL, etc ... big big hubs. It is strange that BOS is yet to get a TK or the Big 3 service from the ME (EK/EY/QR).


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2435 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17430 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 14):
It is strange that BOS is yet to get a TK or the Big 3 service from the ME (EK/EY/QR).

Wait a few more months. Rumor has it EK will launch BOS in June or July of this year.

Thenoflyzone



us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 17347 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 14):

quite interesting to see them operating this route exclusively with the two former QR 332 TC-JNF/JNG
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/tk712


User currently offlineradiopolitic From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 17264 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80
6) San Francisco - 70
7) Miami - 68
8) NYC-ESB - 45
9) Houston - 37

Interesting that given this info theyre deciding to launch Houston ahead of wishlist destinations such as Boston and SF.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17225 times:

B77W utilization for S13

The following is the currently loaded flight program for the 12-strong TK B77W fleet for S13:

TK001 IST JFK 1315 1650 - block 10.35 - daily
TK002 JFK IST 1850 1140 - block 09.50 - daily

TK009 IST LAX 1245 1630 - block 13.45 - daily
TK010 LAX IST 1820 1710 - block 12.50 - daily

TK011 IST JFK 1820 2155 - block 10.35 - daily
TK012 JFK IST 2355 1645 - block 09.50 - daily

TK015 IST GRU 0930 1705 - block 13.35 - 4 weekly
TK015 GRU EZE 1820 2105 - block 02.45 - 4 weekly
TK016 EZE GRU 2300 0150 - block 02.50 - 4 weekly
TK016 GRU IST 1310 2135 - block 12.25 - 4 weekly

TK017 IST YYZ 1315 1725 - block 11.10 - 5 weekly
TK018 YYZ IST 2355 1645 - block 09.50 - 5 weekly

TK020 IST PEK 0035 1505 - block 09.30 - daily
TK021 PEK IST 0010 0525 - block 10.25 - daily

TK026 IST PVG 0035 1550 - block 10.15 - daily
TK027 PVG IST 2245 0545 - block 12.00 - daily

TK033 IST IAH 1305 1805 - block 13.00 - 4 weekly
TK034 IAH IST 1950 1555 - block 12.05 - 4 weekly

TK050 IST NRT 1655 1010 - block 11.15 - daily
TK051 NRT IST 1140 1745 - block 12.05 - daily

TK070 IST HKG 0055 1620 - block 10.25 - 6 weekly
TK071 HKG IST 2325 0545 - block 11.20 - 6 weekly

Total weekly utilization for this flight program adds up to 1,391 hours 25 min in block time for an average daily utilization rate of 16 hours 34 minutes per frame, which is very high by all standards. TK has an overnight operational spare overnight at IST on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, but on any other day all aircraft are scheduled. The relatively long ground times in PEK, PVG and HKG make those flights to most susceptible for delays, as TK can delay the late evening departure until the arrival of an aircraft the next morning with relatively minor impact on the overall operational stability.

If the deal for additional leased frames materializes, I would expect HKG to be made into a daily flight right away. Although TK could operate daily to HKG with the current fleet, such as move would seriously jeopardize operational reliability by reducing the operational spare capacity to just one frame on one night per week.

[Edited 2013-01-03 21:00:17]

[Edited 2013-01-03 21:01:12]

[Edited 2013-01-03 21:03:35]

User currently offlineTK773ER From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17181 times:

Happy New Year to you all,

Interesting figures out TK is making its move slowly or quickly into the top ten world biggest airlines, It has jumped 7 places from 22 in Dec 2011 to 15 in Dec 2012 well done here is the link http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-lion-air-the-biggest-movers-93047

TK773ER


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 17154 times:

Quoting transaeroyyz (Reply 12):
How has TK been able to attract people away from London, Paris, Frankfurt as a hub?

While global traffic pie has grown, TK along with the likes of EK have certainly effected established carriers and disrupted previous demand flows.

In Turkey's particular case, not only has THY developed into a significant hub operator, but maybe more importantly Turkey since the 1980s has seen tremendous economic growth which has spurred huge growth in consumer activity including air travel demand.

Quoting ASA (Reply 14):
Seems TK is using DAC as a low yield, second grade destination.

In fairness you somewhat answered this comment. With mere 2 people in C class, you can see that the market is not quite one that demands very high end product. If TK has an all economy aircraft, DAC might very well be perfect for such offer.

The practical reality is markets like JFK, LHR, NRT etc, will get the new and high end products. And this is not just by TK, but by most airlines. Their premier aircraft will operate on ones premier revenue routes.

Though I agree with you that it would be nice to have a more consistent product across fleet types in things like seats and IFE offerings. Alas this is a weak point with TK seeing so much growth and a diverse fleet coming from different pedigrees.

Quoting radiopolitic (Reply 17):
Interesting that given this info theyre deciding to launch Houston ahead of wishlist destinations such as Boston and SF.

Keep in mind that local O&D is only part of the equation that is looked at. Matter of fact many recent TK routes - especially ones to Africa have virtually no existing local markets, but rely wholly on connection traffic flow.

Anyhow, I personally think IAH has a few reasons why it was launched so fast - first its a Star hub, but more importantly, two Turkish ministers visited Houston on separate occasions and were strongly courted and came home with the idea in their head that TK needed to serve IAH.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 18):
If the deal for additional leased frames materializes, I would expect HKG to be made into a daily flight right away.

Its bilateral limited.

TK was only able to increase it from 4 to 6x weekly in 2010. TK was able to get an extra bilateral (7th) frequency for W12, but HK did not authorize the same for S13.

I think unless CX resumes IST some time soon, I don't believe HK authorities are too open to increasing this any further at this time.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17127 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 3):
you still have the Gulf carriers in this equation. EK/EY/QR all three have atleast one daily to ATH and two daily flights to MNL. quite a competion in my eyes.

True, to an extent.....but EK also now has convenient service from Adelaide to DXB.........in fact, EK has flights from at least FOUR Australian cities now. More Aussies on EK will fill up the DXB-ATH portion up a bit quicker than last year, meaning less seats for Filipinos and others.

Quoting transaeroyyz (Reply 12):
How has TK been able to attract people away from London, Paris, Frankfurt as a hub?

Two things. First of all, they serve cities that LHR/FRA/CDG don't have, particularly in Eastern Europe and the Middle East. Places like Sochi, Donetsk, and cities in Iran other then Tehran, etc.. Secondly, the taxes at LHR are hideous. CDG/FRA are better, but they are still less than any of the above.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

Seattle has fairly high numbers due to Microsoft and Boeing. In the case of Boeing, there is a lot of training and administrative issues, and you have TK employees, as well as personnel from the Turkish Air Force, coming here.


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17115 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80
6) San Francisco - 70
7) Miami - 68
8) NYC-ESB - 45
9) Houston - 37
10) Atlanta - 36
11) Seattle - 31
12) Washington-ESB - 25
13) Orlando - 23
14 Dallas - 23
15) Detroit - 19
16) Denver - 18
17) Philledelphia - 16
18) San Diego - 16
19) Las Vegas - 15
20) Phoenix - 12
21) Chicago-ESB - 12
22) Tampa - 9
23) Portland - 9
24) Charlotte - 9
25) Boston-ESB - 9
26) Raleigh - 8
27) Cleveland - 8
28) Cincinnati - 7
29) St Louis - 7
30) Pittsburgh - 7
31) Salt Lake - 6
32) Columbus -6
33) Austin - 6
34) Washington-ADA - 6
35) Minneapolis - 6
36) Kansas City - 5
37) San Antonio - 5
38) Indianapolis - 5
39) Jacksonville - 4
40) Nashville - 4
41) Memphis - 4
42) Norfolk - 4
43) Seattle-ESB - 4
44) Dallas-ESB -4
45) Buffalo - 3
46) Rochester - 3
47) Oklahoma City - 3
48) Nashville-Diyarbakir - 3
49) Tulsa - 2
50) Tucson - 2

Let's see how long before a certain Turkish member publishes this in his website...

Great source of information though...



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 17033 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):

Thank you for including the numbers from ESB to various US destinations.

ESB deserves a thrice weekly direct service to JFK by TK.


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 16951 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):

This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80

LAXintl can you please explain more about this table? What exactly are the numbers? Daily two way total passenger average?



You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 17072 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 23):
ESB deserves a thrice weekly direct service to JFK by TK.

Agreed. Plus with AnadoluJet feeding ESB from various domestic cities, it could easily grow to daily...



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 16996 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 18):
for an average daily utilization rate of 16 hours 34 minutes per frame

Thanks for posting this again.
For comparison; when HB-IWC did this 77W utilization back in March 2011, average rate was 12 hours 41 minutes. At that time there was concern that there was too much down time for the 77W fleet.
4 hour more daily use per frame, WOW... as if TK received another few frames almost.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 20):
Anyhow, I personally think IAH has a few reasons why it was launched so fast - first its a Star hub, but more importantly, two Turkish ministers visited Houston on separate occasions and were strongly courted and came home with the idea in their head that TK needed to serve IAH.

I lived there for sometime back in the 80's and even then there was a Turkish Diplomatic mission in the city. Also Houston is huge for Oil, Healthcare and Higher Education and there must be the usual connecting pax.
Looking at the list again, SFO, BOS and MIA looks pretty strong. Especially BOS and MIA could be 332 destinations with easier availability of aircraft.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80
6) San Francisco - 70
7) Miami - 68
8) NYC-ESB - 45
9) Houston - 37
10) Atlanta - 36

About ESB-JFK 3 x weekly;
Just look at the numbers one more time. I think SFO, MIA, BOS from IST has to come before this ESB flight. I can even see a JFK-SAW ahead of a JFK-ESB flight. Am I that far off?


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 17207 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 25):

North America ESB service can also further feed eastbound international service to IKA, Baghdad etc.


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 17158 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 20):
In fairness you somewhat answered this comment. With mere 2 people in C class, you can see that the market is not quite one that demands very high end product. If TK has an all economy aircraft, DAC might very well be perfect for such offer.

Agreed 100%. I realized that too (and was disappointed to see just the 2 passengers in C). I'm sure even EK and QR also use the older planes for DAC and better products in Europe and USA. But even the economy class product needs to be at par with the competition and what TK stands for as a global airline. No IFE, worn seats, and old planes would soon affect the market response.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17016 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 15):
Wait a few more months. Rumor has it EK will launch BOS in June or July of this year.

I'm hearing this, too. But with such a new addition for Boston (route/airline) I'm wondering why they haven't declared their intentions before now with a press release? Surely this needs some PR muscle behind it, and enough advance notice so that the selling of seats can occur. If Emirates is indeed coming to Boston this June, I'd have thought they'd give themselves more than 5-6 months visibility by announcing this 'officially' a month or two ago.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 16962 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 23):
ESB deserves a thrice weekly direct service to JFK by TK.

Maybe one day, but I don't believe we are anywhere close yet based on passenger demand.

Today's numbers are easily handled over existing service at other gateways (IST, and European connection hubs).

Also just because you add a flight does not mean you will capture the existing flow - you might only capture 50%. Also ESB is not exactly a "hot" destination, so the ability to stimulate new demand will be limited. Lastly, need to look at the revenue picture. For example the average revenue earned on ESB-JFK ticket was 14% less then a IST-JFK ticket., so the yields are worse in Ankara.

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 24):
LAXintl can you please explain more about this table? What exactly are the numbers? Daily two way total passenger average?

Yes its the average daily local passenger counts between the cities. Excludes transfer flow.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 25):
Agreed. Plus with AnadoluJet feeding ESB from various domestic cities, it could easily grow to daily...

But there is virtually no demand from other domestic points to NYC. Just look at my list. You only might get a random single passenger here or there. Not much feed.

Also the international feed at ESB and its schedule timing would be tiny compared to the opportunities TK IST has.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 26):
About ESB-JFK 3 x weekly;
Just look at the numbers one more time. I think SFO, MIA, BOS from IST has to come before this ESB flight. I can even see a JFK-SAW ahead of a JFK-ESB flight. Am I that far off?

  

SAW could be interesting as a secondary hub is built up there. Remember about 2009-2010 CO seriously looked at adding SAW-EWR flight on its 767-200s, so for TK to do it would be even easier today.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 16708 times:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...pageID=238&nID=38403&NewsCatID=338
RTE to tour Africa; Gabon, Niger and Senegal;
Any idea if this be with the government 319, or 739ER or 332/343 type?


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3232 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16654 times:

Nice to see that the airline is doing well into 2013, in the UK the airlines has been advertising on TV quite a lot with this advert.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TURKISHAIRLINES

The ad also states that they have won "The Best Airline in Europe" award, it is however offered by SkyTrax.

I wish them well for the future.  



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 16412 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 14):

Thats strange since they are flying their new A333s to Kabul.


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16384 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 33):
Thats strange since they are flying their new A333s to Kabul.

Higher fares, higher yields... That's pretty much where TK sends their new airplanes... TK still has a few 737+400 and you only see them do domestic flights and mainly to the Eastern part of the country...



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16323 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 34):
Higher fares, higher yields... That's pretty much where TK sends their new airplanes... TK still has a few 737+400 and you only see them do domestic flights and mainly to the Eastern part of the country...

...as well as three A319s (ex IzAir) doing the same Eastern Turkey missions.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/tc-jua
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/tc-jub
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/tc-jud


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16075 times:

Kabul flights draw lots of high fare traffic including healthy business class loads.

With TK being one of only a few travel options, lots of foreigners from diplomats, NGO employees, journalist, and business men etc, use the TK flights.



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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15715 times:

TK extending Male to Colombo acc to airlineroute.net. Posting this on mobile so can't copy further details now.

User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15686 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 37):
TK extending Male to Colombo acc to airlineroute.net. Posting this on mobile so can't copy further details now.

Here you go

till 31JAN13
TK730 IST2025 – 0710+1MLE 330 x15
TK731 MLE0845 – 1410IST 330 x26

eff 01FEB13
TK730 IST0015 – 1100MLE1215 – 1415CMB 330 3
TK730 IST0110 – 1155MLE1310 – 1510CMB 330 x236

TK731 CMB2140 – 2240MLE0010+1 – 0545+1IST 330 x37



http://airlineroute.net/2013/01/08/tk-cmb-feb13/



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User currently offlineFuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 15571 times:

I know it is off the current topic, but I thought I will point out a minor photoshop error on the TK website. In picture number 1 of the slideshow section titled, 'FLY WITH THE BEST', you can see Kobe Bryant and Leo Messi sitting in business class, with a flight attendant and a chef behind them. This isn't the problem, but why is Kobe Bryant spinning a soccerball on his finger? 

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 15535 times:

Quoting Fuling (Reply 39):
but why is Kobe Bryant spinning a soccerball on his finger? 

The same ball is used by both Messi and Kobe, which is indeed the same symbol used in any number of recent TK ads. See here for example: http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-tr...movie_archive/istanbul_europe.aspx

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 38):
Here you go

Thank you  


User currently offlineFuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 15507 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 40):
The same ball is used by both Messi and Kobe, which is indeed the same symbol used in any number of recent TK ads.

I have seen the adverts, I just thought it was strange because Kobe Bryant plays basketball.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 15495 times:

Quoting Fuling (Reply 41):
I have seen the adverts, I just thought it was strange because Kobe Bryant plays basketball.

I know. That ball is neither a football nor a basketball but a globe fashioned into a ball with the TK logo on it.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 15498 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 37):
TK extending Male to Colombo

Colombo, one more city from the wish list coming true. Congratulations to TK.
I wonder if I asked this before, but is it not possible to fly this route with 739ER? I am not sure about the loads in Male or Colombo but 330 seems like a big of a plane for the route.

Quoting Fuling (Reply 39):
This isn't the problem, but why is Kobe Bryant spinning a soccerball on his finger?

I don't see the point here. We all know who is the basketball player, who is the soccer player, what a soccer ball looks like, what a basketball looks like.... Those two red spheres are not supposed to be sports balls but "The Globe" according to TK.
The theme is, "The Globe is at your fingertips" or "Globally Yours"
Unless you are talking about the very detail about the pentagon stitching on Kobe's ball.....still not a soccer ball.


User currently offlineemrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 940 posts, RR: 7
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15444 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 43):

No way for a 739  


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15404 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 43):
I wonder if I asked this before, but is it not possible to fly this route with 739ER? I am not sure about the loads in Male or Colombo but 330 seems like a big of a plane for the route.

IST-MLE should be filled with touristis, honeymooners and vacationers from all over Europe with one-stop only. There are limited options from Europe to MLE. Of course, the same goes for Northamerica...

CLB however is more a VFR destination; thus, one stop or two doesn't really matter as long as the price is right. If I remember correctly there are significant numbers of Sri Lankan living in especially Italy, but also in Germany and UK. Those should generate enough traffic to fill this plane.

Quoting emrecan (Reply 44):
No way for a 739

quite a stretch, that's for sure, but impossible? I've my doubts since a low density configuration as well as extra fuel tanks are installed on those aircraft


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 46, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15393 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 45):

Thanks Stylo777,
Also I forgot to ask, even if the 739ERs can do it, what is the situation with ETOPS and TK 739s?


User currently offlineFuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15281 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 43):
Unless you are talking about the very detail about the pentagon stitching on Kobe's ball

Yes that what I thought. To me it looks more like a TK coloured soccerball, hence the post. I suppose it can be a globe too.


User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5088 posts, RR: 55
Reply 48, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15152 times:

LBV is going to happen very soon. An operational readiness team was in LBV at the end of 2012 ...

Saludos,
A.

[Edited 2013-01-08 18:12:28]


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 49, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15129 times:

Yes Gabon is happening.

It was virtually announced today as Turkish prime minister and delegation of 300 business men are there today.
They inaugurated the Embassy in Libreville, which is an essential precursor to TK service.

They also made specific mention fast growing trade with the region and how Turkey successfully uses the "soft power" of TK to help open up new doors of commerce for Turkish companies.



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5088 posts, RR: 55
Reply 50, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15073 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 49):

Yes Gabon is happening.

It was virtually announced today as Turkish prime minister and delegation of 300 business men are there today.
They inaugurated the Embassy in Libreville, which is an essential precursor to TK service.

They also made specific mention fast growing trade with the region and how Turkey successfully uses the "soft power" of TK to help open up new doors of commerce for Turkish companies.

= Haha. That is funny. I had no idea. Anyways, service to start soon. When I spoke with them, it will be tagged and PM was apparently negotiating a change in the bilateral.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15036 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 50):
= Haha. That is funny. I had no idea. Anyways, service to start soon. When I spoke with them, it will be tagged and PM was apparently negotiating a change in the bilateral.

Tagged to where though? Essentially every point in West Africa is coupled with some other point as is  


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 52, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 14954 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 51):
Tagged to where though? Essentially every point in West Africa is coupled with some other point as is

geographically as well as logically it can only be tagged with those four destinations from their wishlist:

Luanda, Angola (LAD),
Abuja, Nigeria (ABV),
Kano, Nigeria (KAN),
Ndjamena, Chad (NDJ)

since IST-NDJ-LBV would be pretty much a straight line I rank it very high in that list


(map source gcmap.com)


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 53, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 14948 times:

by the way, TK's African Network of already existing routes. Quite astonishing if you ask me!


(map source gcmap.com)


User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14899 times:

Thanks stylo for the map; in the same time I was creating the same  

On the African wish list is now:

Libreville (starts 23th January)
Luxor (planned start 2nd March)
Aswan (planned start 2nd March, flight over Luxor)
Asmara (planned start 30 Mai)
Luanda
Abuja
Kano
Ndjamena
Juba
Bamako

I think I read the route to Kano will fly over Abuja; so IST-ABV-KAN
Otherway, it makes more sense to extend FIH route to LAD.
THY fly no long 2 segment routes.

So here is the map with existing and planned/wish list destinations:

Big version: Width: 540 Height: 540 File size: 72kb


[Edited 2013-01-09 04:44:55]

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 55, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14811 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 53):
by the way, TK's African Network of already existing routes. Quite astonishing if you ask me!
Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 54):
So here is the map with existing and planned/wish list destinations:

Thanks guys, a great achievement on TK's part in such a short time.

I mean if they keep going on like this, not a whole lot of place left to fly in Africa. Then it will be a matter of up-gauging and more frequencies if needed.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 56, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14745 times:

For now, Southern Africa seems to be the weakest. Zambia, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Botswana all have sizeable mining economies that see business demand. Other than that I don't see much left. Maybe Antananarivo, or Seychelles?

User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14724 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 56):

I can think of FNA and SSG (no other ME airline serves them) or MPM (booming economy, QR started not long ago). Maybe MPM could work with a secondary SA destination such as DUR.

[Edited 2013-01-09 07:51:39]

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14739 times:

And TK wet-leases (not sure if that is a good idea but they are short term after all) 3 332s: http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...airlines-wet-leases-a330-200s-0108

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 59, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14632 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 58):

Thanks for the news. Now this is more like it; than to lease 7 x 777s.
Just did a quick search and Meridiana 332 will join its sister at TK. Newer frames 26/256 seating
What is the deal with the Hi Fly 332s? Older frames 24/242 and all 3 of their 332s have different engines; PW, GE, RR???

But like I said in earlier threads it is easier to get 332s in the lease market and TK is doing this till owned frames arrive.
As usual fleet commonality will suffer. Wet leasing frames with substandard hard product will have its affect.

About the article, I still don't get it;
"Turkish Airlines, which will soon announce the re-launch of its high standard catering product, will postpone extending its comfort class service—a premium economy class—on new, to-be delivered long-haul aircraft. For now, the comfort class on long-haul flights will remain onboard its 12 777-300ERs."
Postpone??? Doesn't really mean eliminate..

Thanks.


User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5088 posts, RR: 55
Reply 60, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14591 times:

Are they not trying to get the bilateral to do LBV-LAD?

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 61, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14427 times:

The January issue of ATW has an interview with Ali Sabanci of Pegasus.

A few highlights:

o He views greatest growth potential in Central Asia'-stan countries along with Russia the next few years.
o Hopes for more liberalized air service agreement with foreign countries Currently restricted due to single designation of THY on many routes - for example he would love to fly to Moscow and St. Petersburg along with more in the Arab world but can't.
o Says "all the stars seem to be aligning" to offer an IPO within next 2-years
o Long-haul services are definitely off the table. Remains unsure of viability of low cost longhaul business model. Pegasus has enough on plate next 5-years with narrowbody fleet growth and route opportunities.
o Open to code sharing with other carriers including longhaul airlines serving Turkey

=



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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14391 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 61):
The January issue of ATW has an interview with Ali Sabanci of Pegasus.

A few highlights:

o He views greatest growth potential in Central Asia'-stan countries along with Russia the next few years.
o Hopes for more liberalized air service agreement with foreign countries Currently restricted due to single designation of THY on many routes - for example he would love to fly to Moscow and St. Petersburg along with more in the Arab world but can't.
o Says "all the stars seem to be aligning" to offer an IPO within next 2-years
o Long-haul services are definitely off the table. Remains unsure of viability of low cost longhaul business model. Pegasus has enough on plate next 5-years with narrowbody fleet growth and route opportunities.
o Open to code sharing with other carriers including longhaul airlines serving Turkey

Although a LCC getting into an alliance is rather rare, nevertheless there are examples of partnerships between legacies and LCCs around the world. They need to get closer to Skyteam or airlines like QR or EY if they want more connectivity. AB partnership went nowhere I am afraid.


User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 14082 times:

Turkish Airlines expand flights to Venice, Edinburgh and Naples:

Turkish Airlines from 31MAR13 is increasing operations on Istanbul – Venice service, where overall operation increases from 17 to 19 weekly. From 22APR13, service further increases to 21 weekly.

TK1867 IST0815 – 0945VCE 320 D
TK1871 IST1150 – 1320VCE 320 D
TK1869 IST1650 – 1820VCE 320 D

TK1868 VCE1045 – 1405IST 320 D
TK1872 VCE1420 – 1745IST 320 D
TK1870 VCE1920 – 2245IST 320 D

TK1871/1872 operates Day x35 from 31MAR13 to 21APR13

Turkish Airlines in Summer 2013 season is expanding service to Edinburgh and Naples, as overall service will increase from 5 weekly to daily, on board Airbus A319 aircraft. Planned schedule as follows.

Istanbul – Edinburgh eff 21MAY13 Service increases from 5 weekly to daily
TK1343 IST0840 – 1110EDI 319 D
TK1344 EDI1210 – 1830IST 319 D

Istanbul – Naples eff 14JUN13 Service increases from 5 weekly to daily
TK1879 IST1125 – 1245NAP 319 D
TK1880 NAP1350 – 1705IST 319 D


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 64, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13974 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 59):
Thanks for the news. Now this is more like it; than to lease 7 x 777s.
Just did a quick search and Meridiana 332 will join its sister at TK. Newer frames 26/256 seating
What is the deal with the Hi Fly 332s? Older frames 24/242 and all 3 of their 332s have different engines; PW, GE, RR???

An A330-200 with Spanish EC-LKE registration has been seen in front of TK hangars


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9780 posts, RR: 11
Reply 65, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13932 times:

Hello guys,

What's the latest on the A380/748 order for TK and maybe a 789/A359 order? With TK having ordered more 77W's I can't see a A359 order anytime soon but who knows. The A350 production line will probably fill up the longer TK waits for this order, right?

A388


User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13710 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 65):

Bloomberg wrote about potential A388 order beside the big narrowbody order.
İ don't think they will order A350. A330 make a good job and so they ordered 15+5 A333.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 67, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13254 times:

Appears the formal tender for the 3rd airport is about to be released in coming couple weeks, with wide interest from foreign firms.

Also the bid for a second runway at Sabiha Gokcen is expect this year as well with the runway being operational by 2016.
Additionally SAW has hired 4 foreign banks help it issue its first ever set of Eurobonds with expected value of €500mil.

Story:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...rports-limak-idUSL6N0AJ3BG20130114

=

[Edited 2013-01-14 14:31:20]


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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 68, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13114 times:

TK starts LBV (as if we didn't see that one coming) on Jan 31st:

Routing is IST-DLA-LBV-IST, 3 times a week. That makes DLA a daily destination, together with the NSI triangular. Source as usual: http://airlineroute.net/2013/01/15/tk-lbv-jan13/


User currently offlineNuD38 From Germany, joined Jan 2011, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13080 times:
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Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 66):
Bloomberg wrote about potential A388 order beside the big narrowbody order.

I would love to see A388 with TK livery. Not because it is prestigious or anything. It is a great product. Specious, comfortable and quiet. My last experience with TG A388 made me understand what Airbus achieved and how delightful a flight experience can be if it is paired with good service.

A388 is not easy to handle. You need very well trained staff who can handle 500+ passengers with close to 100 first and/or business seats. New infrastructure investment and management (like two conveyer belts active simultaneously etc...) is essential. But it is worth!

Small note: lower deck noise next to window is 86-87 db at cruise speed.


User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2421 posts, RR: 4
Reply 70, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13008 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 59):
Just did a quick search and Meridiana 332 will join its sister at TK. Newer frames 26/256 seating
What is the deal with the Hi Fly 332s? Older frames 24/242 and all 3 of their 332s have different engines; PW, GE, RR??? ... As usual fleet commonality will suffer. Wet leasing frames with substandard hard product will have its affect.

True - the engines are not the problem, as THY will only lease the a/c from others airlines (and these companies are responsible for maintenance and repair).
The biggest problem will be the on board product, no IFE, tight charter-configuration, BusinessClass not up to THY standards etc.!
I read, but couldn't find the article, that these sub-standard a/c will only service domestic (ESB-IST) and short haul routes with high demand (like IST-DUS/FRA/TXL etc.). Is it true? Or will we see the a/c also on Turkish worldwide network (which would be a nightmare). Any idea which route these birds will fly?


User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12867 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 68):

Do I understand right, that TK will operate 3 weekly IST-DLA-LBV and 4 weekly IST-Yaounde-DLA?


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12840 times:

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 71):

The actual routings are

IST-NSI-DLA-IST x247
IST-DLA-LBV-IST 247

Both on 739ER.


User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12752 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 72):

Thanks.

31.01. Libreville
01.02. Colombo
01.04. Houston
21.05. Santiago de Compostela
07.06. Constanta

These should be the confirmed new destionation starts.


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 74, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12530 times:

Just completed a flight by TK on Comfort Class from ESB to LAX via IST. Comfort is a great product and I sincerely hope TK will continue to keep this along the new long haul fleet as well. I think if this becomes a consistent long haul product throughout their a/c it will help sell better as this is the best premium economy product ever provided by any airline. This is old time Business Class service in major airlines before BA introduced lie falt beds in Club Class.

The downside from connecting from ESB is the transit in IST. The short cut from domestic terminal to international terminal in IST that opened last year was closed. This meant we had to run with all the children to international terminal, go through passport control, security and then board the airplane. We did that in 28 minutes that is a record for me but I had to get everybodyelses permission to jump ahead of the que in order not to miss our connection to LAX. The flight from ESB to IST was late by an hour so I was almost certain we were going to miss the connection to LAX. Even 5 pieces of luggage made it in less than an hour so pretty amazing but very stressful. TK should try to find a way to assist passangers with short connections, nobody seemed to care.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 75, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12464 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 74):

I too think TK takes domestic connecting passengers for granted. If ESB/ADB had a few other good connection options on AF/KL/BA that would change. Even now QR has taken away some of the eastbound traffic from TK at ESB.

In other news, 2012 traffic results for TK: 39M pax, 77.7LF, 96.1bn ASK, 74.6bn RPK.


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 76, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12272 times:

Boys and girls I need your help:

I am landing to SAW on January 27 at 18:10 and there is the Galatasaray-Besiktas football game at 19:00. I need to find a place to watch in or around the airport... Any ideas??

If all goes well, I ll have my first flight with Pegasus next week  



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 77, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 12371 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 74):
Just completed a flight by TK on Comfort Class from ESB to LAX via IST.

Enjoy your vist. If you need anything, please PM me.   

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 76):
Any ideas??

Suggest the large Viaport shopping mall north of the airport on the O-4 motorway.

On the bottom level outside portion across from the autopark you have a bunch of restaurants. I would guess one of them would have a TV going.
Also there are more restaurants located inside, plus otherwise maybe the bar at the Crowne Plaza hotel which is attached to the mall

http://www.viaport.com.tr/

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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12151 times:

SunExpress will serve its first French destination from 3 APR with the launch of an Izmir - Strasbourg route :

XQ 918 ADB 1545 - 1805 SXB --3---- 73H
XQ 919 SXB 1855 - 2255 ADB --3---- 73H

http://www.sunexpress.com/en



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 79, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11884 times:

TK resumes Kuala Lumpur 4x weekly on A340 effective April 25th.

Mon/Wed/Thu/Sat
TK060 IST-KUL 0115-1650
TK061 KUL-IST 2315-0535+1



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 80, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11864 times:

Here is an interesting venture -

TAV & ADP plans to join forces and bid on rights manage NYC LaGuardia's planned new Central Terminal Building (CTB).

Port Authority of New York and New Jersey issued a Request for Qualifications for the construction and operation of the planned new terminal.

Story:
http://www.airport-world.com/home/ge...new-terminal-at-new-york-laguardia

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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11830 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 79):

That leaves Strasbourg and Miami as the only routes canceled by TK ever. MIA we might see in the next few years but Strasbourg...  

And it also shows that until new long haul aircraft show up the underutilized 343 will be used for expansion.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 82, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11816 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 79):
TK resumes Kuala Lumpur 4x weekly on A340 effective April 25th
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 81):
And it also shows that until new long haul aircraft show up the underutilized 343 will be used for expansion

There is no way that KUL can be funded with what is currently loaded for the seven remaining A343s for next summer:

TK007/008 IAD - daily
TK068/069 BKK SGN - daily
TK072/073 CAN - daily
TK090/091 ICN - daily

These 4 flights together need 7 frames to be operated because the 3 Asia rotations use a double overnight pattern. Some of these flights will have to operate with A330 if KUL is going to go 4 weekly A343.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 83, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11787 times:

Tick two more off the wishlist... TLL/VNO will be starting as IST-TLL-VNO-IST on Jun 11, 2013 3weekly by A319. Source: http://airlineroute.net/2013/01/18/tk-tllvno-jun13/

27 more to go  


User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11746 times:

2 days left, and I have to do a new agenda  

31.01. Libreville
01.02. Colombo (over Male)
01.04. Houston
25.04. Kuala Lumpur
21.05. Santiago de Compostela
07.06. Constanta
11.06. Vilnius-Tallinn

So at the moment, there are now 30 wish destinations left.

Luxor
Aswan
Gassim
Rotterdam
Abha
Malta
Salzburg
Asmara
Marseille
Luxemburg
Kharkiv
Luanda
Abuja
Kano
Caracas
Mexico
Boston
Havanna
San Francisco
Montreal
Njamena
Juba
Katmandu
Masar-i-Sharif
Friedrichshafen
Lankaran
Bogota
Aqaba
Bamako
Krakow


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 85, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11586 times:

I love it when I get up in the morning there are 6 unread posts, brings me joy to get these news daily. Thanks everybody!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 80):
TAV & ADP plans to join forces and bid on rights manage NYC LaGuardia's planned new Central Terminal Building (CTB).

Very interesting.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 82):
These 4 flights together need 7 frames to be operated because the 3 Asia rotations use a double overnight pattern. Some of these flights will have to operate with A330 if KUL is going to go 4 weekly A343.

That's why the rumors about the 3 x 332 wet leases. We all know TK will say 343 on its schedule, but it could be anything.

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 81):
That leaves Strasbourg and Miami as the only routes canceled by TK ever. MIA we might see in the next few years but Strasbourg...

IIRC, both Sunexpress and Pegasus starting Strasbourg this year. Pegasus is flying from ADB, how about Sunexpress? And why would TK not fly this route on its own?

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 83):
Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 84):

27 or 30 destinations left for this year?


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 86, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11565 times:

Well. Strasbourg has some VFR traffic but premium demand has a lot to do with EU related travel; now that Turkey-EU is in the backburner this may take second stage to places like Bordeaux or Nantes I think? But who knows anyway  

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 87, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11540 times:

The first leased A332 was placed in commercial service earlier this week. EI-EZL operated TK712/713 IST DAC IST. It seems despite an imminent increase from 4 to 5 weekly and later this year to daily services, the Dhaka route remains the home of the oddballs in the TK fleet.

User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11477 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 85):
IIRC, both Sunexpress and Pegasus starting Strasbourg this year. Pegasus is flying from ADB, how about Sunexpress? And why would TK not fly this route on its own?

As stated in reply 78, SunExpress will launch ADB - SXB from April. If Pegasus resume its AYT - SXB service (charter flight on behalf of FTI and Mavie) during the next high summer season (but not confirmed yet) that will be the two sole direct routes between Strasbourg and Turkey.



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 89, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11393 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 85):
That's why the rumors about the 3 x 332 wet leases. We all know TK will say 343 on its schedule, but it could be anything.
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 87):
The first leased A332 was placed in commercial service earlier this week.

9M-MUC, a A332F freighter of MAS Cargo, has also been seen in IST and its said to do wet-lease ops on behalf of TK Cargo to Asia.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 85):
I love it when I get up in the morning there are 6 unread posts, brings me joy to get these news daily. Thanks everybody!

yeah, thats really nice and joyful! I also like it and appreciate it very much. Especially the quality of posts as well as the accuracy is amazing.


User currently offlinesoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 90, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11346 times:

KMS will be a good destination for TK, No international service to KMS yet and people keep having to travel to ACC..
Maybe a triangle routine via ABV, BKO,OUA etc...



Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11144 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 85):
27 or 30 destinations left for this year?

My list was over all wish destinations, not just this year, and after the confirmed there are now 30. Temel Kotil talks about 33 destinations this year, so after the confirmed 8, there should be 25 for this year.


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 92, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11043 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 87):
The first leased A332 was placed in commercial service earlier this week. EI-EZL operated TK712/713 IST DAC IST. It seems despite an imminent increase from 4 to 5 weekly and later this year to daily services, the Dhaka route remains the home of the oddballs in the TK fleet.

Yeah ... beats me as well. I was just in DAC the other day and saw one of the older A332s. We keep getting the IFE-less, lights-not-working, and worn-seat Airbuses. Not sure if we are getting the step-motherly treatment becuase of lack of business traffic (despite getting a lot of connecting traffic to Europe and North America - unfortunately).


User currently onlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11037 times:

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 91):

My list was over all wish destinations, not just this year, and after the confirmed there are now 30. Temel Kotil talks about 33 destinations this year, so after the confirmed 8, there should be 25 for this year.

I think we should understand this number as an approximation and not as an exact number. A lot can happen. Maybe it will be more, maybe less.

After the launch of Talinn/Vilnius and Luxembourg, Slowakia will be the only unserved country in Europe (despite the statement of TK itself). Of course smaller countries like San Marino and Andorra are not included. But of course they will find a way of serving this country as well, even though it is just 2w flights to either Bratislava or Kosice.


User currently onlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11038 times:

I forget Iceland, but this is quite far and small...

User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 95, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10955 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 94):
I forget Iceland, but this is quite far and small...

Singapore is also quite far and small  



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User currently onlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10912 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 95):

Singapore is also quite far and small

In size yes, in population no   Iceland 320.000, Singapore 5.310.000.


User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10832 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 93):
After the launch of Talinn/Vilnius and Luxembourg, Slowakia will be the only unserved country in Europe (despite the statement of TK itself). Of course smaller countries like San Marino and Andorra are not included. But of course they will find a way of serving this country as well, even though it is just 2w flights to either Bratislava or Kosice.

I don't pretend to begin a political discussion, but I noticed TK does not serve neither LCA nor PFO. Is this because of some political reason?

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 94):
I forget Iceland, but this is quite far and small...

I wouldn't rule out completely Iceland in summer, specially TK starting flights to so many odd destinations.

In addition to their very successful Icelandair hub connecting passengers between Europe and the US (serving destinations that other European majors do not serve, such as MSP, SEA or ANC - and for instance BOS up to three daily in summer with a B757... that's a lot of seats for such a tiny country), KEF gets service from DL from NYC in summer (on top their own FI flights) and the likes of AB, LH and OS to a few of their hubs.

I assume Icelanders (like other Scandinavians) tend to fly to Asia a lot, Iceland is got way cheaper since their financial turn down and is getting more and more international tourism, and it is the typical market where EK/EY/QR are not starting anytime soon... and those are the markets that TK likes.

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 96):
In size yes, in population no   Iceland 320.000, Singapore 5.310.000.

Luxembourg is slightly more populated than Iceland. And LUX is not an island, and it has a bunch of major airports at driving distance, and it will get TK service. I know LUX is much shorter flight yet...


User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10812 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 97):
I don't pretend to begin a political discussion, but I noticed TK does not serve neither LCA nor PFO. Is this because of some political reason?

Political reason. There are no nonstop flights to Turkish Cyprus because of that. So Turkey boykot flights to Greek Cyprus. So when for example Fenerbahce (football club) has a game against APOEL Nikosia, they have to fly over Athens.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 99, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10566 times:

Figured I would start something new.

A look back at historic timetables.

First one - THY in 1956.

Route / weekly frequency / equipment type;

Passenger services:
Istanbul - Ankara - 36x - DC-3
Istanbul - Bursa - 21 x - de Havilland Heron
Istanbul - Izmir - 21x - DC-3
Istanbul - Baliksehir - 14x - Heron
Istanbul - Bandirma - 7x - Heron
Istanbul - Canakkale - 3x - Heron
Istanbul - Akhisar - 3x - Heron
Ankara - Adana - Iskenderun - 6x - DC-3
Ankara - Adana - Nicosia - 1x - DC-3
Ankara - Nicosia - Beirut - 2x - DC-3
Ankara - Elazig - Diyarbakir - 2x - DC-3
Ankara - Malatya - Diyarbakir - Van - 2x - DC-3
Ankara - Afyon - Izmir - 3x - DC-3
Ankara - Izmir - Athens - 3 x - DC-3

Cargo service
Istanbul - Ankara - 7x - C-47

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User currently offlineTK773ER From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10250 times:

Looks like TK has its sights on becoming a five star airline this year according to this article http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...38&nID=39496&NewsCatID=345

The CEO also mentions this : Kotil declared the company’s desire to serve 250 points this year and become the airline that flies to the highest number of destinations.

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 84):

2 days left, and I have to do a new agenda

31.01. Libreville
01.02. Colombo (over Male)
01.04. Houston
25.04. Kuala Lumpur
21.05. Santiago de Compostela
07.06. Constanta
11.06. Vilnius-Tallinn

So at the moment, there are now 30 wish destinations left.

Luxor
Aswan
Gassim
Rotterdam
Abha
Malta
Salzburg
Asmara
Marseille
Luxemburg
Kharkiv
Luanda
Abuja
Kano
Caracas
Mexico
Boston
Havanna
San Francisco
Montreal
Njamena
Juba
Katmandu
Masar-i-Sharif
Friedrichshafen
Lankaran
Bogota
Aqaba
Bamako
Krakow

So with 37 destinations on this wish list with 7 confirmed and TK serving around 200 or 201? not sure exactly ? There must be another 10 to 13 to add to our wish list ? MEL SYD am i dreaming ?


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 101, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10212 times:

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 100):

The addititons to that list would/should include

Vancouver
Seattle
Calgary

from North America


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10238 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 101):

And half a dozen cities each from India and China!


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 103, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10212 times:

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 100):
The CEO also mentions this : Kotil declared the company’s desire to serve 250 points this year and become the airline that flies to the highest number of destinations.

How many of TKs current destinations are not served non stop both ways? Sometimes I get a feeling that TK just wants to expand in order to boast about the number of destinations they serve. If I am not mistaken, many new routes are only served twice or thrice weekly and in a triangular way.



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User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10208 times:

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 100):
So with 37 destinations on this wish list with 7 confirmed and TK serving around 200 or 201? not sure exactly ? There must be another 10 to 13 to add to our wish list ? MEL SYD am i dreaming ?

There was 38 in the wish list, 8 of them confirmed, and there are now 30.
At the moment, TK fly to 217 destinations in 97 countries.

Asia: 33 countries / 60 destinations
Africa: 23 countries / 33 destinations
Europe: 36 countries / 81 destinations
North America: 2 countries / 5 destinations
South America: 2 countries / 2 destinations
Domestic: 1 country / 36 destinations

Kotil spokes about 250 destinations until end of this year and a goal of 300 destinations which should be served.
The weakest region for him is North America.
He said also something about 43 destinations in Africa until end of this year. So this mean he will open all the African destinations in the wish list and the confirmed Libreville.

In my opinion, these are potential destinations (exclusive to the wish list)

Australia / New Zealand

Melbourne
Sydney
Perth
Auckland


North America

Vancouver
Calgary
San Juan (when Havana will be a success, why not?)
Miami
Seattle
Atlanta
Denver
Philadelphia
Dallas


South America

Rio de Janeiro
Quito
Lima
Santiago de Chile


Asia

Manila
Taipeh
Nagoya
Bandar Seri Begawen
Phnom Penh
Peshawar
Bangalore
Hyderabad
Kochi
Chengdu
Shenyang
Xiamen
Xi'an


Africa

Marrakech
Gaborone
Harare
Windhoek
Lusaka
Durban


Europe

Bratislava
Graz
Dubrovnik
Bordeaux
Dresden
Dortmund
Reykjavik
Florence
Verona
Bergen
Gdansk
Katowice
Porto
Novosibirsk
Perm
Samara
Yekaterinburg
Glasgow
Newcastle

[Edited 2013-01-21 01:01:41]

User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10206 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 103):
How many of TKs current destinations are not served non stop both ways?

Buenos Aires over Sao Paulo
Gyandzha over Nakhichevan (Azerbaijan)
Ouagadougou over Niamey
Douala over Yaounde (Douala will be out of list when Libreville begins)
Abidjan over Accra
Billund over Aalborg
Jakarta over Singapore
Mombasa over Kilimanjaro
Ulanbatoor over Bishkek
Muscat over Bahrain
Dakar over Nouakchott
Mogadishu over Djibouti
Cape Town over Johannesburg
Entebbe over Kigali
Ho Chi Minh City over Bangkok
Aden over Sanaa

I think it is necessary to begin with 2-4 weekly flights to check the market situation. After a long enough time they could be increase to 5 weekly or daily (for example Douala, which will increase to daily on 31 Jan 2013).

[Edited 2013-01-21 00:40:15]

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10113 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 103):

Very few airlines fly to some of the destinations TK does in Africa, and most that do (AF/KL/SN/LH), do so with a few flights per week as well - check SN flights to Africa for a mind boggling variety of triangular flights, some once a week.

[Edited 2013-01-21 02:26:39]

User currently offlineTK773ER From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10055 times:

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 104):

There was 38 in the wish list, 8 of them confirmed, and there are now 30.
At the moment, TK fly to 217 destinations in 97 countries.

Thanks for the information i was coming in too fast and over shot the runway with my knowledge ?

43 destinations in Africa until end of this year. So this mean he will open all the African destinations in the wish list and the confirmed Libreville.


  

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 102):

And half a dozen cities each from India and China!

  

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 101):

North America

  

I agree with all three here i think Africa, India, China and other parts of Asia, North America not to mention South America all do come to mind for expanding cheers......


User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 108, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9958 times:

I dont know if it implies something, there is a nice presentation of TK Cargo.
look at page 11 with planned routes for 2012/2013. If this is the timeline, than IST-HAV-MEX-HAV-IST will start anytime in June?

http://www.turkishcargo.com.tr/kargo...cargo_sunum_2012_TR_2013_01_17.pdf


User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

Quoting tkfan (Reply 108):
If this is the timeline, than IST-HAV-MEX-HAV-IST will start anytime in June?

Why June? Where they are write it?


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9932 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 101):
Bogota

There are rumours locally sating that TK is interested in flying to BOG starting mid June. If they do, it could be a IST-BOG-CCS-IST routing, to avoid heavy restrictions out of BOG due to its altitude. If this come true, I wonder what type of aircraft could they use. The 343 could be an excellent fit for this route, although I would love to see one of their 777s around.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9919 times:

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 109):
Why June? Where they are write it?

Just an assumption.

If we look to the given inaugural dates of TLL/VNO and LUX both in June, HAV-MEX is in between,

In the list, only KUL is wrongly positioned, as it will start in April, and get an increase in June?


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 112, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9859 times:

I believe that KUL will eventually receive a tag. If SIN and BKK are not served as a terminator, then why would KUL be. What has happened to MNL? Is it still on the wishlist? I could see BKK tagged to MNL and KUL extending to SGN. I could also see SIN as a terminator and CGK tagged to KUL. Even HAN could come in the picture at some point.

User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9822 times:

Quoting tkfan (Reply 111):

Good thought. Could be. But does Luxemburg has a fixed starting date? I read something about 21 June but this was until yet not confirmed.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 110):

I think too. Routing should be IST-BOG-CCS-IST. But can this route not flown by A333?

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 112):

Why not a leg from KUL to MNL? MNL is at the moment not on the list, but should be added in the near future. Perhaps as a Codeshare with PAL which will start in summer MNL-IST?

What is about HANOI in the Cargo presentation as a new destination? Will be there just Cargo flights or also Pax?

[Edited 2013-01-21 08:26:47]

User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9831 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 112):
What has happened to MNL? Is it still on the wishlist?

PAL is due to start MNL-IST


User currently offlineradiopolitic From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9754 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 102):
And half a dozen cities each from India and China!

Keep hearing about this but I thought this was dependent on a new bilateral, which there doesn't seem to be much movement on?


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 116, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9601 times:

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 113):
Why not a leg from KUL to MNL?

A KUL MNL legs would not fit into the schedule, i.e. it would be hard to have the aircraft out of IST around 1 am and back at 6 am the next day. IST BKK MNL and IST KUL SGN on the other hand would work.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 117, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9498 times:

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 104):

Peshawar might be a boon for TK, howcome you added that in your list instead of Lahore?


User currently offlineemrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 940 posts, RR: 7
Reply 118, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9452 times:

Latest update of TK flights...

http://airlineroute.net/2013/01/22/tk-europe-s13update3/


User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9354 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 117):
You know better than me I think: Which of them has more potential? Lahore has 7 mio. habitants, Peshawar 3 mio. But Peshawar has more International Airlines, not?


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9261 times:

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 113):
But can this route not flown by A333?

If rerouting is BOG-CCS-IST I see no problem with BOG's altitude. I don't know if the 333 has the legs for the IST-BOG leg, which btw, would be the longest commercial flight stariting/ending in BOG. Also, european airlines like to fly 340s into BOG, but all them do the transatl op non-stop (AF 343, IB 343/6, LH 346), so my mind makes me think that's the way TK could go, but again, I'm purely speculating with no solid basis at all.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 121, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9114 times:

Quoting emrecan (Reply 118):

Latest update of TK flights...

http://airlineroute.net/2013/01/22/t...ate3/

Istanbul – Venice Service increases from 17 to 19 weekly, 21 weekly from 22APR13


Of all the frequency increases, this is the most surprising one for me. What kind of traffic is there between IST and VCE? Even if it it mostly connecting pax, is VCE that big to support 3 daily flights?



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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 122, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9117 times:

I guess I will answer my own question but this is probably the reason  

Never knew VCE was so popular...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar...s-face-environmental-disaster.html

Quote from the link:

Quote:
The acceptable maximum number of tourists for Venice is 33,000, a study found. In 2011 the average number of visitors to the city daily is 60,000.



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User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9080 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 121):
Istanbul – Venice Service increases from 17 to 19 weekly, 21 weekly from 22APR13

Of all the frequency increases, this is the most surprising one for me. What kind of traffic is there between IST and VCE? Even if it it mostly connecting pax, is VCE that big to support 3 daily flights?
Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 122):
I guess I will answer my own question but this is probably the reason

Never knew VCE was so popular...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar....html

Veneto is a dense and populated region (4-5 million ppl) and one of the wealthiest regions in Italy. The other significant airport is VRN but for now it lacks connections to the East (unless they use MXP). There is quite a diversified industry (metallurgical, fashion, agriculture) in Venice province itself, Padova, Belluno, Treviso or Vicenza, for which VCE is their reference airport. It is not only about tourism.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 124, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8963 times:

Tender for the new Istanbul airport to be released on Thursday.

The airport is planned to have initial capacity of 90 million passengers annually with three runways. Future expansion stages would raise capacity to 150 million.

Completion targeted 2016-2017.

Story:
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1358859636.html

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User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 125, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8804 times:

I finally switched from DL to TK in my US- Turkey trips and I wanted to write my impressions here.
I flew J round trip and as advertised and as I know the product is light years better on TK. On the return trip I enjoyed the wi-fi feature which was uber slow yet amazing compared to zero connectivity.
As expected the food on TK is in one word "amazing" from the variety to portions to presentation.
The soft product is where TK suffers because its very inconsistent, outbound crew could not be bothered by the light load in business cabin and avoided passengers at all cost.
Inbound crew was extremely good with a full plane and full business cabin, coming and going pouring wine asking"if I need anything" a world of a difference between 2 flights.
My disappointments are TK website, after DL website(which people here complain about) TK website and its functionality is ancient, they need to do better.
Also TK crew is great on service but I couldn't believe there were no final checks on pax pre landing on both flights! People were on their ipads, recline position on seats, heck there was a group of 4 ladies where 1 was up and conversating standing up with her 2 friends' seat area during push back and 5 minutes of taxi, The DL FA'a would have shot her 
And finally the cabin temperature; holy smokes is it hot! On both flights I requested 3 times and on the return flight the purser finally gave in and dropped it couple degrees.
While in Turkey I also took a IST-ADB flight and captain was very informative, while giving pax flight info he said " outside temperature is -40 degrees Celsius but the abin temperature is set to 26 degrees for your comfort" I swear on everything. While walking to the bathroom on the 777 I saw the screen where FA set up temperature, mood light etc, I saw J cabin was set to 25 degrees, now I might like colder than others but in no way 25 degrees is comfortable temperature. These are my thoughts/ opinions on TK overall.

I applied for status match with TK and haven't heard from them so hopefully will get star gold. I will probably keep using DL for US domestic, however I won't miss DL one bit flying to Turkey, I just hope TK will improve on the little things and becomes even better,
Regards to all.



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User currently offlineemrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 940 posts, RR: 7
Reply 126, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8727 times:

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 125):
And finally the cabin temperature; holy smokes is it hot! On both flights I requested 3 times and on the return flight the purser finally gave in and dropped it couple degrees.

Hi Gokmen,

You shoul have written this on Turkish' FB page, they would solve the problem more fast  


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 127, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8695 times:

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 125):
I finally switched from DL to TK in my US- Turkey trips

Welcome to the Turkish side.

While not perfect, they do offer a decent product. Also having a much broader schedule JFK-IST you have bigger selection to meet your travel needs.

If you want to save a few dollars, you can try comfort class as well.



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 128, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8660 times:

airlineroute.net reports five new services for TK from SAW in S13: AMS, LGW, MXP, CDG, VIE.
surprised not to see FRA or DUS in this list. also, looking at the schedules all the new flights depart around noon and return in the evening. they clearly don't base any new aircraft there, but rather route the ones through the system. they will most probably do the domestic legs to ESB, DLM, ADB, BJV, AYT in the morning and be back in SAW for the new services.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 129, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8624 times:

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 119):

LHE has maybe couple more airlines than PEW.


User currently offlineStationManager From Spain, joined Sep 2006, 88 posts, RR: 2
Reply 130, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8579 times:

How about Alicante - ALC?

10 million pax airport, reference airport for 3 million people. 4th focus in Spain in terms of GDP, industry and asian inmigration. Inditex (ZARA), Kelme, Panama Jack, and other brands like Nike are strongly stablished there. Russian tourism and inmigration growing fast in the region.

There are some rumours about Alicante and Seville, to be next spanish TK destinations. Anyone knows when?


User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 131, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8538 times:

Quoting StationManager (Reply 130):
There are some rumours about Alicante and Seville, to be next spanish TK destinations. Anyone knows when?

First SCQ is to come for TK in Spain as of MAY



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8478 times:

Quoting StationManager (Reply 130):

I think the current bilateral allows for 7 points, so after BCN, MAD, BIO, SCQ, AGP and VLC they have 1 more possibility before an amendment in necessary.


User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8323 times:

Alicante could be start 2014. We will see.

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 132):

Is there any possibility (source) to check the bilterals between Turkey and the other countries? Then we could see the potential growth of destinations in the recent countries..


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 134, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8311 times:

Only if the other country's aviation authority / department related to air transport has made this info public I think. SHGM doesn't make this info public on its website, although press releases might include some info.

User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 135, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 8208 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 128):
they clearly don't base any new aircraft there, but rather route the ones through the system. they will most probably do the domestic legs to ESB, DLM, ADB, BJV, AYT in the morning and be back in SAW for the new services.

This is what most likely will happen:

Day 1: After daily flights, the A/C arrives in ESB, AYT, ADB etc late in the evening and spend the night there.
Day 2: The A/C does ESB-SAW-CDG-SAW-ESB and goes on from there...

This way they do not need to fly the A/C between IST and SAW or base an aircraft there. Although I remember reading somewhere that TK would base a few aircraft to SAW this summer...



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User currently onlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8161 times:

Guys, a video with the rendering of the 3rd airport has been released. Looks great! have a look at it at airporthaber.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 137, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8057 times:

Well the 3rd airport is billed as "world's biggest airport".

Some details:

o Deadline for bids May 3rd.
o Airport project conducted under a BOT model (build, operate, transfer) running for 25-years.
o Airport would occupy 90,000 million square-meter land area of which 77 million square-meters will be developed
o Four-stage project
o First stage 90mil capacity and 3 runways by 2017
o Eventual up to 150mil with 6 runways
o Construction window - 42 months
o Will provide 120,000 jobs
o Estimated €7Bil investment
o Winning builders will be required to arrange commercial equity financing which will not be guaranteed by the Turkish Treasury

Winning tender will be selected based on 1) Meeting technical qualifications 2) Construction pricing, 3) Operating price through the 25-year lease period.


Also TAV would be compensated for any losses at IST once new airport is opened as its contract runs through 2021.



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 138, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7992 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 137):
Also TAV would be compensated for any losses at IST once new airport is opened as its contract runs through 2021.

compensation aside, if TAV doesn't win this project I assume they will be more or less out of serious airport business.

interesting times ahead!


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 139, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7943 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 138):
compensation aside, if TAV doesn't win this project I assume they will be more or less out of serious airport business.

interesting times ahead!

They have AdP as a major shareholder, that should help them financially.

I am happy for Istanbul and TK regarding this project, but what about other cities? Whem you look at Germany, UK, Brazil, France, Spain, Italy etc, they all have multiple cities with significant international connectivity. Will we ever see ESB or ADB or heck, even TZX or ADA or DIY connected to major cities? I mean, with 100 planes on order now, would PC consider other bases (no other major LCC has a single base, do they?)?


User currently offlineradiopolitic From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7934 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 136):

This looks like an incredibly poor copy of Eero Saarinen's Dulles terminal building. I hope this isn't what they go for.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 141, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7923 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 138):
compensation aside, if TAV doesn't win this project I assume they will be more or less out of serious airport business.

TAV is a lot more than IST these days. They have other Turkish airports like Ankara, Izmir, Adana, plus its overseas ventures. They are even trying to get the operating contract for a new terminal at New York LGA airport.

Also as mentioned ADP shareholding and partnership only strengthens TAV.

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 139):
I am happy for Istanbul and TK regarding this project, but what about other cities? Whem you look at Germany, UK, Brazil, France, Spain, Italy etc, they all have multiple cities with significant international connectivity

Turkey has its population and economic activity very much focused in a single place. Similar to France where Paris is the heart of the nations activity. Air service reflects this.

On the otherside of the spectrum is nation like Germany that is more decentralize with multiple economic centers.

So unless if Turkey's economy grows so much that other major population centers can rival Istanbul, I don't see significant shifts of air traffic either. After all why would it - airlines go where the people, cargo and money are.



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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7912 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 135):
This is what most likely will happen:

Day 1: After daily flights, the A/C arrives in ESB, AYT, ADB etc late in the evening and spend the night there.
Day 2: The A/C does ESB-SAW-CDG-SAW-ESB and goes on from there...

Indeed the fastest TK connection between European cities and Ankara is now via SAW:

- dep. 15:35 AMS - Arr.20:10 SAW TK1962 daily
- dep. 21:10 SAW - Arr. 22:10 ESB TK7256 daily

Overall travel time is a half hour faster than connecting via IST.

However......the return trip ESB-SAW-AMS is not as fast though!


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 143, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7871 times:

Btw, apparently Kotil has expressed to Reuters that in addition to exercising the 5 options for 77W, Tak is about to finalize 5 more 333 orders as early as this week bringing total WB orders to 20 frames.

User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 144, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 142):

Just so you know TK flies non-stop between ESB and AMS so the fastest trip between the two is to take the direct service.

However, SAW is a better connection point than IST that is for sure.


User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6148 posts, RR: 35
Reply 145, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7626 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 143):
Btw, apparently Kotil has expressed to Reuters that in addition to exercising the 5 options for 77W, Tak is about to finalize 5 more 333 orders as early as this week bringing total WB orders to 20 frames.

And more than 100 NBs by the end of March.



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User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 146, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7573 times:

TK is reinstating thrice weekly ESB FRA as of May 1st. This will be yearround service by 737-800

LH will reinstate daily ESB FRA as of March 25th by A321.

The year-round service from ESB to FRA is offered by SunExpress and Germania too.

LH may turn the FRA flights to year-round service as the performance has been good last year.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 147, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7501 times:

Umm, we tick two more off the list... SZG and LUX dates and freq firmed according to airlineroute.net.

Istanbul Ataturk – Luxembourg eff 25JUN13 NEW 4 weekly service
TK1353 IST0915 – 1145LUX 738 7
TK1353 IST0915 – 1145LUX 319 235

TK1354 LUX1245 – 1700IST 738 7
TK1354 LUX1245 – 1700IST 319 235


Istanbul Ataturk – Salzburg eff 28MAY13 NEW 4 weekly service
TK1381 IST1215 – 1345SZG 738 x357
TK1382 SZG1445 – 1805IST 738 x357

I am tempted to start a new thread on announced firm destinations, what do you guys think? I bet it won't be popular like "Will EK start BRU?" or similar threads but anyway  


User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7319 times:

TK A321 TC-JRI had a lightning strike last night with burning engine during approach ADB. You can read about the incident here:

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=45cb6de1&opt=0

Also, there is a Video on Airporthaber:

http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...dirim-carpti-tek-motorla-indi.html


User currently offlineamax1977 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

Is it feasible to see TK at SFO in 2013?

User currently offlineymincrement From Turkey, joined Jul 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7273 times:

Is it normal to loose one engine by lightning ? Why did the system finished that fire for s long time.. Can there be a lack of maintanence that I know that there is a modul that absorves the lightining

User currently offlinecmoltay From Turkey, joined Jun 2007, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 151, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 7040 times:

I have a theory that the engine was not lost directly by the lightning hit, but stalled due to ingestion of superheated air caused by the lightning and eventually got damaged... Would anybody care to elaboate on the possibility of such a rarity to have happened?

Regards,


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 152, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6976 times:

Here is another thread and links;
Turkish Airlines Plane Struck By Lightning (by virgin744 Jan 25 2013 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineboun From Turkey, joined Nov 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6922 times:

Do we have updated news on the leasing of 777s?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 154, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6739 times:

Regarding the new Istanbul airport, both FRAport and Schiphol Group say they is interested in bidding on the 25-year operating concession. FRAport already has some experience in Turkey running Antalya.

On Friday DHMI (state airport authority) director Orhan Birdal made the comment that once the new airport opens, activity at IST will be restricted to "charter, cargo and training flights". He said they expect general aviation, and maintenance acitivies to continue also at IST.
He also stated they were looking to redevelop IST property including possibly establishment of fair grounds, and convention center facilities.

Birdal also mentioned that THY would have exclusive use of one terminals at the new airport to operate everything under a single roof to facilitate easy connections.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 155, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6596 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 154):
IST will be restricted to "charter, cargo and training flights".

How would this work? Since you know a lot about cargo ops, how could TK keep its Cargo flights to IST when TK moves all its operations to the new airport, where more cargo is carried by its pax planes.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 154):
THY would have exclusive use of one terminals at the new airport to operate everything under a single roof to facilitate easy connections.

This would be awesome!
It all sounds too good to be true, 2017 90mil capacity airport with connecting roads to the city.
I hope it will be a success; with great metro and highway connections, parking lots, spotting areas, hotels, food options, free wifi, filled with great local art and design.

-Will there be any connections to Black Sea, some kind of a port for ferry traffic? This would be a great opportunity to build a cruise port to serve both Black Sea and Eastern Mediterranean ports.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 156, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

A THY 777 managed to have the door ripped off when jetway collapsed on Friday. No injuries as incident happened after all the passengers had deplaned.

Interestingly the flight was operating a Dubai hop.



Quoting TK787 (Reply 155):
How would this work? Since you know a lot about cargo ops, how could TK keep its Cargo flights to IST when TK moves all its operations to the new airport, where more cargo is carried by its pax planes.

Does not mean its THY cargo.

Other airlines have freighter flights to both IST and SAW today. I'm sure many would be happy to remain at IST as the cargo forwarder community is located in the immediate area already, plus easier access to the city itself.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 157, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 156):
I'm sure many would be happy to remain at IST as the cargo forwarder community is located in the immediate area already,

But don't you think they will all move to the new airport once its open? Why would they remain at IST when most of the Cargo will be at the new airport?


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 158, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6342 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 157):
Why would they remain at IST when most of the Cargo will be at the new airport?

I think it will be eventually moved to the new airport, but some traffic has to stay at IST so that the govenment doesn't need to pay much compensation to TAV. By 2021, when the contract of TAV expires all remaining traffic will be moved to the new airport...



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 159, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

Freight forwards community wont leave the area around IST for a remote 3rd airport as it would go against their business interest as it would place them far away from their customers and increase cost.

See freight forwarders deal with 100's of business and private clients and consolidate their freight onto a single flight. To do this effectively they need to be near commerce and consumers which deliver and pick up cargo from them. Locating at a far airport would cause their clients to have to go much further to drop off or pick up their shipments.

For example today, there virtually are no freight forwarders near SAW, and almost all the cargo that flies from the Asia side airport is trucked over from the companies on the European side. Other counties are similar - look at London. Very little cargo activity around LGW, as the cargo community is centered on the West side of London near LHR. Stuff is trucked to/from LGW.

So in the mean time, I am sure foreign operators, and package integrators would be happy to use IST as long as they can for cargo activity as it put them closest to the freight community, and eventual clients.

For TK, even once the new airport is built, I would be they would still leave a warehouse at IST to better serve clients that don't want to drive out to the new airport.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 160, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

From ch aviation;

Turkish Airlines (TK, Istanbul Atatürk/Yesilköy International (IST)) chairman Hamdi Topcu has told Reuters that THY is in the process of finalizing an order with Airbus Industrie (AIB, Toulouse Blagnac (TLS)) for additional five A330-300s to be officially made public later this or early next month. Turkish currently already operates 10 A330-300s and has additional 15 already on order for deliveries between 2014 and 2016. According to Topcu, the carrier also expects to be able to finalize a follow-up order with either Airbus or Boeing (BOE, Chicago O'Hare International (ORD)) for "over" 100 new narrowbody aircraft by March.

Looks like TK will exercise the 5 options on the 333s also.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 161, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6095 times:

ALC here in Los Angeles is leasing Corendon Airlines a 737-800.

MSN 32920 planned delivery is end of February for a 5-year period.



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User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1780 posts, RR: 10
Reply 162, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5988 times:

THY Globally Yours ? Really? I tried to book a last minute ticket on THY.com but their website was already in Jan 29th mood as it's tailored to the local Turkish time. I called their reservation hotline to do this and the lady in Istanbul told me "It's already 29th of Jan" .. I said "Well it's not here and your flight is not leaving for another 5:30 hrs" ..

I had to purchase the ticket at IAD office.. Speaking of which who picks these front counter people? Their command of English is poor, their hair is a mess, their ties are lopsided.

Blame me for being critical, but if you are challenging 5-star status, you better put some hotties there that speak proper English.



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 163, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days ago) and read 5867 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 160):
Looks like TK will exercise the 5 options on the 333s also.

So what is the total number of WB ordered last year to today (incliding the leases) ?



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 164, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

Quoting bahadir (Reply 162):
you better put some hotties there that speak proper English.

I also will be happy with professional attire and good command of English and a global clock. "Hottie" or not I don't care.

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 163):
total number of WB ordered last year to today (incliding the leases) ?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong;
20 x 333, 20 x 77W; and 3 x 332s leased till mid 2014.
2 of those 333s arriving this year.