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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 123  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23613 times:
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This is a continuation thread of part 122 which can be found here: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 122

Have a Happy New Year!

SA7700


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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 23562 times:

Happy New Year every one, the points discussed towards the in the previous posts have been:

-Rob Fyfe's Tenure as CEO is now over, Christopher Luxon takes over
-WLG Runway being too short for any real long haul service
-ZK-MVB now in the country after a delivery flight
-JQ versus NZ in terms of reliability and customer satisfaction


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4988 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 23430 times:

Can someone summarise management changes that Chis Luxon has ( apparently) made . Are there any new senior management changes rumoured?

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 23321 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 2):
Can someone summarise management changes that Chis Luxon has ( apparently) made . Are there any new senior management changes rumoured?

Umm I think he simplified it and merged GM long haul and GM domestic/short haul into the COO position that Bruce Parton now has. Not really sure about other changes (nothing has been said about it) or it could be the fact that there are none.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 23297 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 2):
Can someone summarise management changes that Chis Luxon has ( apparently) made . Are there any new senior management changes rumoured?
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 3):
or it could be the fact that there are none.

Going from the article below,

"He said he was finalising his "Go Beyond" strategy for the airline which would be unveiled in the next two months."

"This follows restructuring of the senior executive and leadership teams, although some key roles have yet to be filled."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10856919


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 23260 times:

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 4):
"He said he was finalising his "Go Beyond" strategy for the airline which would be unveiled in the next two months."

I'd be impressed if they can reach the $180m profit target - though it seems focusing on profitable domestic ops is a pretty good strategy for achieving this. They are the airline's bread and butter afterall.

Out of interest - does anyone else think the days of the B1900s might be numbered? Purely anecdotal but family visiting AKL from Blenheim have noted increasing ATRs on their route and are booking only those flights for both work and pleasure - the difference in comfort and service is substantial. I guess it wouldn't be economic for super short haul hops like WLG-BHE but with more ATRs coming online, I wonder if the Beech numbers will at least be reduced.

Mariner - in the previous thread you asked why I raised the issue of Jetstar raising fares, backing down, then cutting CHC-ZQN in response to your post. I did so because you were likening passenger demand on JQ to passenger demand on FR (I don't know how to quote between threads but can go cut and paste if you want me to). My point being that JQ can only seem to attract passengers with lower fares than NZ and it has had to pull off a fairly heavy tourist route because pax numbers (or yield) just aren't there to support it. So no, passengers aren't flocking to JQ and I believe the primary reason is its atrocious reliability issues.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 23245 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 5):
I wonder if the Beech numbers will at least be reduced.

Or even be confined to the shorter routes such as WLG-BHE/NSN/PMR etc. Quite interesting about the AT7 being used.. Are they out of capacity with the Q300? I'd be surprised if they could fill a few AT7s on AKL-BHE. I think there's still a place for the B1900D.. Even if it's for increasing frequencies. Can the B1900D operate into Milford Sound? That'd be a sight to see.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 23211 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 6):
Can the B1900D operate into Milford Sound? That'd be a sight to see.

I'd love to see that too but nah it can't. I think it's future will be on routes under 40 mins, WLG-BHE/PMR, AKL-HLZ/TAU/KKE, CHC/HKK etc etc

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 2):
Are there any new senior management changes rumoured?

A few changes in Domestic in the near future. That's all I know


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25268 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 23203 times:
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Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 5):
Mariner - in the previous thread you asked why I raised the issue of Jetstar raising fares, backing down, then cutting CHC-ZQN in response to your post. I did so because you were likening passenger demand on JQ to passenger demand on FR (I don't know how to quote between threads but can go cut and paste if you want me to).

I was puzzled because I have (generally) found it applies to various LLC's, all the ones I follow, whose passengers are, usually, exceptionally price sensitive - to the actual fare, not necessarily to the ancillary charges.

I don't consider Air NZ - yet - to be defined as LCC, although it certainly has lower fares available.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 5):
So no, passengers aren't flocking to JQ and I believe the primary reason is its atrocious reliability issues.

Passengers may not be flocking to 'em - I don't know, but I'm happy to take your word for it. The reason I raised Ryanair is because, to generalise again, the perception of the airline doesn't seem to have a detrimental affect on its business.

mariner

[Edited 2013-01-01 16:43:50]


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 23195 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 7):

Then I guess NZ needs a fleet of Twotters.. 



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 23188 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):
Then I guess NZ needs a fleet of Twotters..

Yea, operate into Milford, Stewart Island, Kaikoura, Picton, Great Barrier etc.. Truly be the national airline  .


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4832 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22966 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 10):
Yea, operate into Milford, Stewart Island, Kaikoura, Picton, Great Barrier etc.. Truly be the national airline

Yeah I am quite surprised by the lack of flights to Stewart Island and out to The Chathams.



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User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22925 times:

From Aerokiwi

And a lot of the pax are flying Oneowrld internationally and connecting to JQ. Though I think (correct me if wrong) some are now interlining with NZ to avoid hoisting their premium pax onto a lousy JQ service.

CX now offers only NZ connections when booking through their website .



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22912 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 11):
Yeah I am quite surprised by the lack of flights to Stewart Island and out to The Chathams

I think demand or lack of aside, there isn't really a machine apart from the convair that can pull it off very well. There's no fuel avaliable in the chats afaik so all flights in would have to be tankering. The journey is 400 miles from the nearest NZ airport, meaning that it's not really do-able with a tankering sector, plus weather/tech alternates if needed etc


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4832 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 22877 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 13):
There's no fuel avaliable in the chats afaik so all flights in would have to be tankering

Which is something that could be changed if commercial ops began... perhaps even just to allow for partial uplift would make a difference. But yes other factors come in like liferafts etc



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1222 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 22880 times:

Regarding the JetStar discussion.... I flew quite a few sectors with them between 2009 and 2011 and every flight was delayed (by between 5 minutes and 3.5 hours). I'm sure JetStar must work for some people, but it just can't be relied on if you need to be somewhere by a fixed time. Now that Air New Zealand has their 'NightRider' fares, I don't really see why anyone other than those burning Qantas Points would use them.

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 4):

The article says that and additional (to what was previously planned) A320 is being added to domestic operations this year. Does anyone know if this is an existing option converted to an order, an order brought forward from next year or a Tasman aircraft being converted/switched to domestic operations? I would love to know.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
But yes other factors come in like liferafts etc

My first thought. Must be quite a squeeze to get them in a B1900D, if that is even possible.


Oh and happy 2013 everyone.  



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 22859 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 10):

Remember the days in this thread when Picton-LAX was brought up? Haha.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 15):
I don't really see why anyone other than those burning Qantas Points would use them.

But even then, why would you bother burning QF points on them.. Burn points to get delayed is not really the ideal situation. I'd much rather just pay to fly Air NZ and have more assurance of getting to my destination either on time or at least on the day I booked for.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1222 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 22841 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
But even then, why would you bother burning QF points on them..

In my case, because the points were about to expire and the travel was non-important VFR.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
I'd much rather just pay to fly Air NZ and have more assurance of getting to my destination either on time or at least on the day I booked for.

   As would I had the flights been paid for in real $$$, since they weren't it wasn't too much of an issue if the trip ended up getting cancelled. Getting stuck at the destination because of JetStar is always a concern, however.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7407 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 22813 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 11):
Yeah I am quite surprised by the lack of flights to Stewart Island and out to The Chathams.

Population on Stewart Island is about 400 people, not really a big enough to support more than one airline, Stewart Is isn't much of a tourist destination either. The ferry from Bluff is dirt cheap with multiple crossings per day.


User currently offlineNZ6 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2010, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 22724 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 10):
Yea, operate into Milford, Stewart Island, Kaikoura, Picton, Great Barrier etc.. Truly be the national airline
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 11):
Yeah I am quite surprised by the lack of flights to Stewart Island and out to The Chathams.
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 13):
There's no fuel avaliable
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
Which is something that could be changed if commercial ops began

So NZ would need to first invest in a small fleet of twotters or convair's, employee a pool of pilots, set safety, training and maintenance standards and policies, invest in ongoing training to continually refresh pilots in these standards. We haven't even looked at other inferstructure costs such as check-in areas as an example.

Someone needs to install fuel tanks according to this, who will be paying for that upgrade? I would suggest it would be a fairly hefty set up cost. How would refuelling of these tanks be done? sounds like a pipeline to the wharf would be needed. Again that sort of construction isn't cheap.

NZ is struggling to make a reasonably isolated East Coast city of 34,000 work (GIS) and has failed to make one of NZ's key winter getaways' work (WKA) - how would a remote, hardly visited island of 400 work?

You would be competing with a very economical option of the ferry and there is already an established air operator which I imagine would be supported heavily by the locals over a big corporate from AKL.

At best you would be operating 1 service day and you'd be looking at a multi million dollar set up for this operation. If NZ makes the $180M this year, is that sort of investment worthy? what contribution will Stewart Island play in NZ's future results?

[Edited 2013-01-02 13:00:38]

User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22621 times:

Looks like the JQNZ website has been down all morning, could this be one of the final hits in the coffin for JQNZ

User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22601 times:

Does anyone know what the minimum runway length is for a B1990D? been looking all over the net but haven't been able to find a guide.

The main runway at Great Barrier is 930m, an ATR 72-500 on a flight under 300nm only requires 1000m runway length. Therefore surely an B1900D would be able to take off from Great Barrier, if not just a short exntention need to the runway.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 22589 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
Which is something that could be changed if commercial ops began...

Logistical nightmare though, I wouldn't think it would be worth the effort.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 15):
My first thought. Must be quite a squeeze to get them in a B1900D, if that is even possible

If (Big If) this was to go ahead, I'd imagine a Q or ATR would be used. Increase payload/freight. But the Chats is a long shot

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 19):

Agree with you there, my comments were said with tongue in cheek, as I presume a few of the other guys' comments were too


User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 22486 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 18):
Population on Stewart Island is about 400 people, not really a big enough to support more than one airline, Stewart Is isn't much of a tourist destination either. The ferry from Bluff is dirt cheap with multiple crossings per day.

The ferry is $ 71 each way - I'd hardly call that "dirt cheap" for a 1 hour crossing!!!

Flight from IVC (which saves having to get to Bluff where the ferry departs from) is $ 115 one way and $ 198 return


User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 22473 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 13):
I think demand or lack of aside, there isn't really a machine apart from the convair that can pull it off very well. There's no fuel avaliable in the chats afaik so all flights in would have to be tankering. The journey is 400 miles from the nearest NZ airport, meaning that it's not really do-able with a tankering sector, plus weather/tech alternates if needed etc

I'm not sure about the fuel situation on the Chats. However, Air Chathams used to operate a Metroliner so I'm guessing the B1900D should be able to manage it.


25 zkncj : The metro liners run on avgas, so they may of had a small supply there?
26 Unclekoru : The metro runs on Jet A1. Garretts don't like avgas much. Chat's have there own fuel tanker on the Island, don't think they would share with anyone e
27 ZKSUJ : Ahh ok my bad, didn't show on the plate
28 Zkpilot : They can run up to 100 hours on avgas before needing an inspection (something which they would probably need by that time anyway).
29 Unclekoru : Yes that is true, they can be run on av gas although it's not a great recipe for a long, efficent and trouble free life. Aside from "SOAP" samples, t
30 cchan : btw, how much longer can Air Chathams keep those Convair 580s flying?
31 zkncj : Aren't they like 50 already? surely not much longer than they currently are. I have heard rumors that they where looking into second hand ATR's, whic
32 ZKSUJ : I was told they zero lifed a C580 relatively recently. Or was that another company in NZ? An engineer from Feildair in Palmy was talking about it
33 ZKOJH : 'Winds force Jetstar flight back to Auckland' It seems JQ were having a few problems on Wednesday, ! ''A Jetstar flight bound for Wellington was turne
34 Mr AirNZ : If you divert to the point of origin, chances are accommodation will be sorted for a good many people who can just go home. Divert to CHC and you've
35 zkncj : They could have chosen to divert to PMR, then bus everyone from PMR-WLG. Although this would mean JQ would need to pay NZ to use its ground services
36 Mr AirNZ : There really is quite a bit more to it than that. Even Air New Zealand at times when weighing up different factors will not necessarily divert to PMR
37 zkncj : AKL really needs a hide codeshares option on there website!
38 NZ6 : Agreed This applies to most websites though and not just AKL's site.
39 NZ107 : A few more years at least, I think. They're well maintained and according to the pilots, they remain the best plane for the job - rugged and able to
40 PA515 : Had a look at the Domestic schedule for April 2013 as ZK-MVC will be in service then. No ATR's BHE-AKL-BHE but two Q300's Mon, Thu, Fri, Sun, one Q30
41 PA515 : That should be two Q300's Mon to Fri and Sun, no Q300 Sat, as follows: Mon, Thu, Fri AKL-BHE 0800/0925, BHE-AKL 0945/1110. Tue and Wed AKL-BHE 0810/0
42 zkncj : I would say by the time that more AT7s have arrived and more 733 have left the fleet, I can see CHC-WLG-CHC got completely ATR.
43 sunrisevalley : and an additional A320 is to be added to the domestic fleet. How many 733/A320 will this be essentially flying AKL-WLG/CHC and return ? Something lik
44 zkncj : When A320 arrives a 737 leaves the fleet, they had 16 733s but only ordered 14 A320s to replace the 737s. So once they have completed the change over
45 deconz : isn't it about time we saw ZK-MVB out and about?
46 NZ107 : I read somewhere it's starting mid Jan.
47 DolphinAir747 : I hope to see a piacture of ZK-MVB along with the All Blacks 32S and 77W! On a completely different note, is the 777 in The Hobbit colors here to stay
48 Mr AirNZ : Just to clarify, no additional A320 has been ordered. The delievery of one on order has simply been moved forward from 2014 to 2013. The domestic fle
49 zkncj : Can't remember the length of the contract, I think it was about 2 years?
50 NZ107 : Why? It's MVA which is painted in the All Blacks c/s. Started to peel already as well.. Who knows how long it'll last!
51 Post contains links xiaotung : This was discussed in the last thread. I feel necessary to post here again now that New Zealand Herald has reported the real story. These tourists wer
52 koruman : Xiaotung, Even I defended those tourists on the last thread, and I really don't think that they have been targeted for their behaviour. I actually app
53 Post contains images mariner : This doesn't really work in NZ or Oz, because our dollars are not green (or even paper), but as I would say of US dollars - Jetstar dollars (and Air
54 azzazzazza : When is the rest of the fleet due to be painted in the same livery MVB has? Or are they only doing some aircraft?
55 NZ1 : 777-300's will be done in first half of this year. 777-200's will be done second half of this year and into next year. A320's will be progressively d
56 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Zero Lifeing (zero life) pretty much means you rebuild the whole thing (including new skin etc) so the aircraft is effectively brand new. As far as I
57 Post contains images NZ107 : Oh sorry, I misread it. Thanks for the definition. Great, looking forward to see another Air Chats Convair in the air again! I'll upload a pic of it
58 xiaotung : I think when it comes to millionaires they are subject to the same English capabilities as you describe or most likely worse. It's the growing middle
59 ZK-NBT : Why would it? NZ like any other start carrier are required to have a certain % of aircraft painted in star colours. Are some of the International A32
60 KiwiRob : With the new cheap and nasty livery it'll be pretty simple to add the star graphic to the tail and side of the aircraft.
61 aerokiwi : Ha! True. Now that I think about it, it almost is the Star Alliance livery. Cheers for that - seems sensible. The number of AA passengers I met (duri
62 aerorobnz : No, nothing like. It's the scope of the respective operations. NZ has BEH/DH8/AT7/733/320 fleet spread across the country(Int and dom) to best suit t
63 Post contains links xiaotung : The Australia GM is relocating to Auckland. http://www.travelweekly.com.au/trave...y/news/search-begins-for-air-nz-gm
64 ZK-NBT : Are all JQ A320s RNP equiped, which I guess mainly comes into effect for ZQN ops?! Looking ahead I see NZ has in July August 2013 upto 5 weekly 772s t
65 Post contains images zkojq : I was just assuming (probably wrongly) that a new route would start out being operated by the smallest aircraft in the Air New Zealand Link fleet. Be
66 Post contains links and images ZKEOJ : yup, I was there in 2009 (also on a day trip ) - is it still this one: http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/000580362.html Cheers micha[Edited
67 Post contains images azzazzazza : What about the link aircraft? Has it? Surely with the rebuild bringing a lot of workers from the UK and Ireland, and some allocentric tourists maybe
68 nzrich : They are not that bad actually . This is coming from someone who hates tiny planes .
69 cchan : The one hour later departure from HKG probably has something to do with daylight savings. The previous years have seen the same change.
70 NZ107 : Ahh ok, thanks. I wonder what plane is being zero lifed then..
71 ZKSUJ : Sorry if I was unclear before... The plane in question has already been rebuilt/born again. I was told that it was done not too long ago (A few years
72 NZ107 : I suppose it does make sense - the way to do it would be to extend it at the same time of the zero life; therefore it would probably be one of the CV
73 Post contains images ZKEOJ : I totally agree - I love flying on them! An added bonus is the view to the flight deck - no door And obviously it has not just been stored - when I w
74 ZK-NBT : I'm aware of that. Currently showing for NS13 HKG 1910 AKL 1000 which is an hour later than previous years for that time of year, meaning the NZ and
75 aerokiwi : No no, you may as well give them a go for the novelty factor, and they are a step up from Bandeirantes and Metroliners, not to mention the alternativ
76 aerorobnz : yes exactly. JQ have 8 here for International and domestic - it basically means that if they have delays then they can lose 25% of their total NZ fle
77 PA515 : The most efficient solution would be to change AKL-HKG to a morning departure, something Air NZ will have to do if it intends to connect South Americ
78 Post contains links NZ1 : Virgin Australia are upgrading their reservation and check-in systems this weekend. The biggest change that the public will notice will be that the DJ
79 Post contains links ZKOJH : As a member of CX's FF program ' Asia Miles' had the latest email today, Air New Zealand partners with Asia Miles On 31 January 2013, Air New Zealand
80 ZKSUJ : Probably used initially as a spare parts plane I'd imagine, now I guess it's left to rot maybe? who knows. I also see on stuff that JQ has a few nega
81 cchan : Not sure if that is true, IMHO they are quite similar, both are not generous programmes. But then, I think CX is smarter than NZ in pricing for AKL-H
82 xiaotung : I guess the real motivation for this partnership is to tap into CX/KA's massive Mainland China network. If it was true as has been speculated that CX
83 Post contains images aerorobnz : Like banks or food franchises in food courts which agglomerate together, it is the attraction of all the companies being in the same area which draws
84 cchan : This is true, but with this particular partner (CX) there seems to be a slight problem there: while NZ is selling both CX and NZ operated flights at
85 Luxair747SP : When i checked fare from Europe to AKL, the cheapest have been CX to HKG and then NZ to AKL, so they might sell a lot of tickets that way
86 Post contains links NZ1 : Air NZ has been declared the second safest airline in the world. http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...afety-accolade-for-Air-New-Zealand NZ1
87 aerohottie : Qantas don't make the top 10... just saying
88 aerorobnz : You may find that they just are using lead in fares on the NZ site to maximise interest and familiarity with the arrangement. It would not surprise m
89 ZK-NBT : Yes it would for South America-AKL-Asia vv. South America services would leave AKL around 2000 and return to AKL before 0600. So AKL-HKG would need t
90 zkokq : Hey Guys, anyone know the rego of the aircraft operating AKL - BNE tomorrow morning
91 Post contains images deconz : ZK-MVB climbing out of CHC for DUD as NZ5351
92 Post contains images deconz : and ZK-MVA not long out of WLG also for DUD as NZ5049. Two new ATR72-600 at DUD this morning
93 gasman : Now this is an accolade we can take seriously. It actually looks like quite decent research - as opposed to yet another "Air NZ voted best carrier to
94 A330NZ : Does anyone know how the 733 flight from CHC-ROT has been doing? Does it have a good load factor?
95 ZKSUJ : It is a good achievement. I am wondering though if this study took into account the 2 Q300 nosewheel incidents, the B1900 belly landing, the ATR wind
96 Mr AirNZ : Depending how the study viewed things, what you list may not actually be negatives. From a safety perspective, issues that were found with the ATR an
97 Post contains links ZKOJH : It seems the 787 is having several problems this week ! and now the 'FAA' are coming up with saying that the Aircraft might not be able to do New Zeal
98 sunrisevalley : This has to be the biggest heap of crap reported by any newspaper on the whole issue. Just concentrating on the EDTO. If FAA were to withdraw 330-min
99 Post contains images Kaiarahi : That's the reporter's interpretation / extrapolation, and doesn't reflect anything the regulator has said. The FAA has made no mention of the existin
100 cchan : Would these problems affect the delivery date of the 789, I wonder.
101 Post contains links Kaiarahi : So far, there have been: - Aft electronics bay panel issue, traced to a batch of faulty circuit boards - Cracked windshields, probably due to a manufa
102 haggis73 : Going off the overnight regional sheet here at work, ZK-MVB due into AKL twice today. NZ5058 1440 Arr NZ5075 1530 Dep NZ5076 1800 Arr NZ5077 1825 Dep
103 ZKSUJ : Yea that makes sense, all dealt with in a way leading to good outcomes
104 NZ107 : Any idea what the QF A333 was doing in AKL this morning? Flightaware said it came in from SIN..
105 zkncj : VH-EBJ is currently flying JQ241 AKL-OOL, flightaware said it did JQ204 SIN-AKL-SYD yesterday. Maybe JQNZ is down a few A320s?
106 Post contains links zkeoj : Nothing against NZ (they are my favourte airline, and I believe they are perfectly safe), but this study does seem pretty flawed. It just doesn't sou
107 WLG787 : It operated a charter for the Singaporean Ministry of Defence! Bringing soldiers down for military exercises at Waiouru! Return flight is in early Fe
108 PA515 : CHC-ROT / ROT-CHC has been all ATR for a few years now. The last record I have is one 733 and two AT7's a day in Feb 2008. Overlooked the November 201
109 CHCalfonzo : It was operating 6pw for the last month or two. The aircraft routed CHC-ZQN-CHC-ROT-CHC-ZQN-CHC
110 Unclekoru : AKL-BHE-AKL has been up to twice daily Q300 since the aircraft was introduced. In previous years the PM Q300 flight has been given the chop during th
111 agent99nzboi : With regard to the AT7 service between CHC-WLG-CHC, I think this makes a lot of sense, enabling an increase in frequency with a large reduction in cos
112 ZKSUJ : I think in future we will see more ATR and Q300 flights between CHC and WLG, and less jet services. As you said it's probably not worth in outside of
113 cchan : I wonder when the 733s retire, would we see a combination of 320 and AT7 on AKL-WLG as well.
114 ZKSUJ : I'm picking it will be more AT7 and DH3 than A320's at that stage (All 3 will be used). The jump in the number of turboprops on that route over the p
115 NZ107 : Not on AKL-WLG. They don't have many other routes to send the A320 on and they don't need to be putting AT7s on that route. Maybe AKL-PPQ or somethin
116 nzrich : Mt Cook for a while operated CHC to the Chathams with an ATR
117 Andrensn : Also where would the capacity for AT7's to do AKL-WLG come from as NZ is using them to replace Q300's on major routes
118 aerorobnz : I think if they start CHC-PPQ you might see it AKL-PPQ-CHC. Sounds like the new CEO wants to smash Jetstar domestically. I hope he succeeds.
119 NZ107 : Nothing wrong with that at all. I feel that AKL-WLG should be left alone and remain operated by jets - there could be a publicity point in there for
120 CHCalfonzo : With more ATRs coming online there should be plenty of room in the Dash schedule to operate this.
121 zkncj : Highly unlikely, ive never been on a AKL-WLG service even off peak that has been less than 80% fill. It seems that is route has decent loadings any t
122 cchan : I hope the recent grounding of 787s would prompt NZ to reconsider their strategy of putting all the eggs in one basket.
123 Mr AirNZ : I'm not really sure what you would expect them to do? Whilst I think they could have been more proactive about managing the delays of the 787 (e.g. e
124 aerorobnz : The FAA are just showing due diligence, nothing more or less. I fail to see why NZ should now change their plans because of this. My understanding is
125 NZ107 : ... And order 4 789s and 4 A359s? That wouldn't be too wise either. You just increase your costs drastically over the long run for so called 'diversi
126 ZKOJH : it seems 2013 is becoming a nightmare for the new CEO and we have just come into it, how many time have there been problems with the 787 program and l
127 sunrisevalley : What possible basis can you have to make this assertion? So there is a problem with the backup battery system that is intended to start the APU in fl
128 texan : For those in Wellington, the Wings over Wairarapa aircraft have started their engines and should be over the harbour around 1230. Texan
129 ZKSUJ : Speaking of that, anyone going to the airshow? Or the one at North shore in a few weeks?
130 texan : I'll be there, most likely on Sunday. Sounds like we'll have a DC-3 offering flights between MRO-WLG for $70 ow. If anyone else is out that way and w
131 ZKSUJ : That would be pretty cool. Pity am working
132 zkojq : Does anyone know which 737 operated the first flight of the day to Dunedin yesterday (17/02/2012)? Thanks in advance. Well, each time the 787 gets del
133 cchan : It seems a bit late for them now, but they would have had developed the 777 fleet, e.g. ordering a few more 77W and consider 77L, refurbish the 77E e
134 Mr AirNZ : I do agree with you partly. Remember that the 763s that left were operating leases. We are going back to 2005 here when those frames started to go an
135 PA515 : A Mo-Fr AKL-PPQ-CHC 0830/1110 / CHC-PPQ-AKL 1125/1400 could be fitted into the Apr onwards schedule by making the AKL-TRG-AKL 1215/1350 leave 45 mins
136 Post contains links aerokiwi : I thought this was significant... http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...s-alliance-to-stay-Australian-only A bit confused by the article, however. At
137 Post contains images deconz : Haven't seen ZK-MVB flying for several days now. Can anyone in the know indicate why? Also, we must shortly see sightings of ZK-MVC @ TLS
138 NZ1 : MVB is currently in the hangar having a minor defect rectified. NZ1
139 deconz : Thanks NZ1. Will be nice to see her back on the network. Now I have a working ADB-S receiver (I'm NZNV1) I have a new found interest in these new bir
140 macilree : Does anyone have information on the start and stop dates for the Air Niugini B707 operations into AKL as part of the AKL-POM-HKG joint venture with NZ
141 PA515 : I can narrow it down to late Oct / early Nov 1983 to 30 Jan 1985. The CX/NZ/PX tripartite agreement lasted from 1981 to 1985. It was intended that ea
142 WSTAKL : Hi deconz, I am pretty keen on getting one of these. Would it be possible to give me some info in terms of cost, what kind of receiver you have, setu
143 Post contains links NZ107 : Take a look here: http://www.flightradar24.com/software. Be aware that your location will depict what you'll be able to see.. ie if you live in Ranui
144 Post contains links and images deconz : Hey WSTAKL ... US$ 20 can get you a piece of the action. Read ... http://www.hamradioscience.com/rtl1090-ads-b-decoder-for-windows/ I've purchased an
145 cchan : I can see that NZ has updated their long haul online booking to bring it in-line with short haul. No S2S, and for AKL-HKG they have got rid of those C
146 gasman : Just discovered that "works deluxe" trans-Tasman on the 77W gets you the Y+ spaceseats. Even I would have to concede, this is a pretty good deal. It d
147 Post contains images NZ107 : I'm confused now.. Their other options AKL-HKG include via NRT on NZ/NH and via SYD on NZ/VS.. Time to get some firewood stocked up!
148 777ER : NZ originally first ordered the B7X7 (as it was originally called) as well as the B772ERs in 2004. The order was for 2x B788s.
149 aotearoa : All going well (actually, very well), Air New Zealand will receive the first 787-9 in the middle of 2014, ten years after it was first ordered. This h
150 Mr AirNZ : Hat off to you, you are right (was actually called the 7E7 back then). My point still stands though, when the 767's were coming off lease, the 787 wa
151 azzazzazza : Watched a DC3 take off here in PMR at about 1150 (30th Jan)... Anyone have an idea what that would have been about? Was an interesting sight..
152 Post contains links 777ER : An interesting read here about a proposed 90 seater turbo-prop ATR is close to offering ATR Close To Offering 90 Seat Turbo Prop (by JoeCanuck Jan 24
153 deconz : I see NZ8960 is operating as IVC/NSN/AKL this afternoon. I'm guessing this is a one off due to groups activity. However, it would be great to see IVC
154 ZKSUJ : Probably had maintainence work done at Fieldair in PMR. They came in for work every now and then when I was based in PMR I would be a one off/charter
155 zkncj : When NZ took the 72-600 they said they wanted to be the launch customer for the 90 seater ATR. I'd WLG-AKL on the ATR would be highly unlikely
156 WSTAKL : Thanks for all the info. Will definitely be looking into it.
157 777ER : With the B733s being replaced by A320s, there would be some flights (mainly one or two over winter per day) where an A320 isnt warrented and a B733 w
158 wawaman : I have to admit that I don't understand what AirNZ is doing with respect to alliances related to Hong Kong. I know the LHR - HKG route ends mid March
159 zkncj : Although the A320 are larger, they operating cost is around the same as the 733. Hence the extra 40ish seats are effectively, additional revenue that
160 cchan : I fully understand your frustration. The multistop booking engine is totally hopeless. I was trying to book WLG-AKL-HKG return the other day (when th
161 777ER : Even if the operating costs for the A320 are the same as the B733, the ATR is cheaper to operate and always will be. Thats why the ATRs and even some
162 zkncj : While some morning flights will have a lower passenger count on its first e.g NZ402 WLG-AKL (0630-0730). On its return sector NZ411 (0800-0830) will h
163 Post contains links 777ER : Just read on the Australian Aviation Thread that TransAsia Airways are planning on launching Australian and New Zealand flights. TransAsia operate the
164 zkncj : Great yet another airline to make AKL just that extra bit over crowded.
165 777ER : Maybe TransAsia could go to CHC instead and 'cover' the South Island market if its direct?
166 sunrisevalley : Direct ( not non-stop) to where ?
167 NZ107 : TPE. Though seeing that CI still flies via Australia, I wonder if TransAsia would do the same. I wonder if there's enough space for them in the NZ-Ta
168 aerorobnz : 3 carriers to a market that has been marginal for years (TPE) ...oh boy..8-)... As has already been stated, I can only think that with current infrast
169 xiaotung : Jet Airways has appeared in the missing Airpoints claim menu. This has to be NZ's India strategy in the making. An announcement soon?
170 gytr31 : Well so far TransAsia only have two A333's to their name with no more on order, and from what I gather these will be utilised on regional flights to
171 Post contains links NZ107 : NZ Jetstar gets new boss Grant Kerr, former Air Nelson GM, has gone to Jetstar NZ. Wonder if he'll push for Dashes or something to service regional ro
172 Mr AirNZ : Unlikely. There would be no money in regional routes for the likes of JQ unless they aqquired aircraft in such numbers as to be able to operate and c
173 Post contains links NZ107 : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10863695 Auckland's domestic terminal is getting a revamp, including merging the
174 ZKSUJ : No mention of extending the regional turboprop gate areas. That's something AKL needs to address, many a time do planes have to wait for a gate becau
175 zkncj : Because there is no room? unless they moved airwork
176 ZKSUJ : Theres a bit of car park near the end that could be used to accomodate a couple more spaces IMO. But hey who knows what will/will not happen
177 Post contains links 777ER : The Transport Accident Investigation Commission have released its findings into the crash of an NZ Q300 on February 9, 2011 while flying HLZ-WLG which
178 Mr AirNZ : That is a very simplifed summary and follows the poor reporting I read in various articles today. That finding must be taken in context and read with
179 ZKSUJ : I can see many of the pilots getting annoyed at this 'finding'. This statement doesn't tell the whole truth
180 777ER : I was only going by what the article posted. If you have a concern about what the article states then I suggest you take it up with stuff.co.nz.
181 airnewzealand : How very 1970/1980 of Stuff.co.nz to put the headline and blame onto the pilots. Anyone heard of James Reason and causal effects. In the story written
182 777ER : AC is launching a Y+ cabin from July 1st. Included in the service is priority bag tags. Why doesn't NZ offer priority bags as part of the Y+ package?
183 zkncj : Because there is already to many priority bags onbaord!
184 Post contains links 777ER : Wellington Airport's 'excessive' profit slammed - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...-Airports-excessive-profit-slammed Not always! If a passenger
185 aerorobnz : 2-4-2 PE is good but 3-4-3 in Y...hmmm seems to be becoming the norm for 77W ops. AC/AA/NZ/KL/AF/EK all going that way. Thankfully still carriers lik
186 ZKSUJ : Pains me to say it but it's a race to the bottom really. Quantity before quality in many cases
187 sunrisevalley : A leading question, how many of you who are poor mouthing the 10 abreast on the 77W have actually ridden in it. ?
188 BlackLabel : The corollary to that is by adding priority baggage tagging to Y+ customers, NZ will dilute the service offered to their other high paying customers
189 gemuser : Me! 4 sectors SYD-BKK-DXB & v v (about 28 hours). Two sectors were the worse flights I have ever been on (bush flying excepted) due to aircraft &
190 gasman : Me too! (although I must concede on EK and not NZ). AKL-LHR and it was the most claustrophobic flying experience I have ever had. Worlds worse than 1
191 777ER : I tried EKs B77Ws a few years ago from AKL-SYD and even with just that short amount of time it started to be feel umcomfortable and space restricted
192 Post contains images zkojq : The good thing with Air New Zealand being that one can avoid the 777-300ER and get to LHR on a much nicer 9 abreast 777-200ER by going via HKG....exc
193 aerorobnz : I have flown onboard EK 3-4-3 and am intimately familiar with NZ 77W configuration. If I step off a 77W and straight on a 77E I can immediately notic
194 Post contains images NZ107 : And then you just fly CX or some other airline instead.. Comfort class for how much longer? Maybe QF becomes an option if you're paying full fare..
195 Post contains links 777ER : Looks like NZs way of charging credit card fees could lead to trouble with the Commerce Commision, especially when the fee is per person. A family of
196 Post contains images aerorobnz : Even if it does go I will still use TK as their basic longhaul product is pretty good on 333/77Ws and shorthaul product excellent. They still have Y
197 gasman : Exactly. As I do. SQ and TG and EK can get me to Europe in Y in more comfort than NZ can on a 77W, thanks very much. AKL-LAX still remains a problem;
198 Post contains links cchan : I did. Not as bad in the last few rows of Y with 2 in the side rows, but I wouldn't want to be in the aisle seats on the rows in front. The seats the
199 xiaotung : I think NZ has been very lucky in that Shanghai based China Eastern had a lot of management issues and lacked long haul aircraft. The success of CZ c
200 Post contains images zkojq : Your recent trip report indicated that the seats on the A340s that CX flies here aren't too comfortable. I think my best bet if I want to get to Euro
201 ZK-NBT : I see YVR will increase to 6 weekly DEC 13 FEB 14, I wouldn't be surprised if they announced daily between now and then. This starts to really max the
202 sunrisevalley : Is HKG the closest TK gets to NZL.?
203 A330NZ : They fly to SIN and JKT. I think that is as close as they get
204 sunrisevalley : Is there direct service from JKT to AKL/CHC ?
205 ZK-NBT : No theres not. GA may reinstate AKL soon though possibly from CGK. I read somewhere about PX looking at AKL, along with GA and PR plus HA starting ne
206 777ER : Its also always annoyed me the fees especially when its obvious NZ doesn't get charged by the credit card companys what they charge their customers.
207 xiaotung : I would post the link but the forum appears to not like this particular source. Anyway, it says service will be once a week from 29OCT13 but reservat
208 Post contains links 777ER : I presume the 2-3 weekly service between June - September/October is still operating and once that ends it reverts to the 1x weekly service Air New Z
209 aerorobnz : HKG/NRT/LAX/PVG all have 77W ops (only ones with comfort) but BKK/CGK/SIN have flights using 343/332/333. TG have a codeshare flight on AKL-BKK and g
210 Kaiarahi : While I was still flying NZ, I used SFO. 744s still have the best Y+. About $40K p.a. for me. But different reasons: it's impossible to use *A points
211 Post contains images NZ107 : You're right- they're not great.. But the flights ex-AKL are all daytime flights so it's less of a worry. Then you can get the new product for the ni
212 mariner : I couldn't find the non-stop AKL-DPS on the website booking engine. Everything I was offered was connect through SYD. mariner
213 DavidByrne : I'm picking that a number of the posters on this forum will be steering clear of the aircraft in AC's order for five 77Ws, which are going to have 45
214 NZ107 : Apparently not bookable yet; but it'll operate every Tuesday between the end of October and the end of March.
215 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 124 (by 777ER Feb 10 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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