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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 123  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 23518 times:
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This is a continuation thread of part 122 which can be found here: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 122

Have a Happy New Year!

SA7700


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User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 23467 times:

Happy New Year every one, the points discussed towards the in the previous posts have been:

-Rob Fyfe's Tenure as CEO is now over, Christopher Luxon takes over
-WLG Runway being too short for any real long haul service
-ZK-MVB now in the country after a delivery flight
-JQ versus NZ in terms of reliability and customer satisfaction


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4930 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23335 times:

Can someone summarise management changes that Chis Luxon has ( apparently) made . Are there any new senior management changes rumoured?

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 23226 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 2):
Can someone summarise management changes that Chis Luxon has ( apparently) made . Are there any new senior management changes rumoured?

Umm I think he simplified it and merged GM long haul and GM domestic/short haul into the COO position that Bruce Parton now has. Not really sure about other changes (nothing has been said about it) or it could be the fact that there are none.



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User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 23202 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 2):
Can someone summarise management changes that Chis Luxon has ( apparently) made . Are there any new senior management changes rumoured?
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 3):
or it could be the fact that there are none.

Going from the article below,

"He said he was finalising his "Go Beyond" strategy for the airline which would be unveiled in the next two months."

"This follows restructuring of the senior executive and leadership teams, although some key roles have yet to be filled."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10856919


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 23165 times:

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 4):
"He said he was finalising his "Go Beyond" strategy for the airline which would be unveiled in the next two months."

I'd be impressed if they can reach the $180m profit target - though it seems focusing on profitable domestic ops is a pretty good strategy for achieving this. They are the airline's bread and butter afterall.

Out of interest - does anyone else think the days of the B1900s might be numbered? Purely anecdotal but family visiting AKL from Blenheim have noted increasing ATRs on their route and are booking only those flights for both work and pleasure - the difference in comfort and service is substantial. I guess it wouldn't be economic for super short haul hops like WLG-BHE but with more ATRs coming online, I wonder if the Beech numbers will at least be reduced.

Mariner - in the previous thread you asked why I raised the issue of Jetstar raising fares, backing down, then cutting CHC-ZQN in response to your post. I did so because you were likening passenger demand on JQ to passenger demand on FR (I don't know how to quote between threads but can go cut and paste if you want me to). My point being that JQ can only seem to attract passengers with lower fares than NZ and it has had to pull off a fairly heavy tourist route because pax numbers (or yield) just aren't there to support it. So no, passengers aren't flocking to JQ and I believe the primary reason is its atrocious reliability issues.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 23150 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 5):
I wonder if the Beech numbers will at least be reduced.

Or even be confined to the shorter routes such as WLG-BHE/NSN/PMR etc. Quite interesting about the AT7 being used.. Are they out of capacity with the Q300? I'd be surprised if they could fill a few AT7s on AKL-BHE. I think there's still a place for the B1900D.. Even if it's for increasing frequencies. Can the B1900D operate into Milford Sound? That'd be a sight to see.



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User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 23116 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 6):
Can the B1900D operate into Milford Sound? That'd be a sight to see.

I'd love to see that too but nah it can't. I think it's future will be on routes under 40 mins, WLG-BHE/PMR, AKL-HLZ/TAU/KKE, CHC/HKK etc etc

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 2):
Are there any new senior management changes rumoured?

A few changes in Domestic in the near future. That's all I know


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25069 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 23108 times:
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Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 5):
Mariner - in the previous thread you asked why I raised the issue of Jetstar raising fares, backing down, then cutting CHC-ZQN in response to your post. I did so because you were likening passenger demand on JQ to passenger demand on FR (I don't know how to quote between threads but can go cut and paste if you want me to).

I was puzzled because I have (generally) found it applies to various LLC's, all the ones I follow, whose passengers are, usually, exceptionally price sensitive - to the actual fare, not necessarily to the ancillary charges.

I don't consider Air NZ - yet - to be defined as LCC, although it certainly has lower fares available.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 5):
So no, passengers aren't flocking to JQ and I believe the primary reason is its atrocious reliability issues.

Passengers may not be flocking to 'em - I don't know, but I'm happy to take your word for it. The reason I raised Ryanair is because, to generalise again, the perception of the airline doesn't seem to have a detrimental affect on its business.

mariner

[Edited 2013-01-01 16:43:50]


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 23100 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 7):

Then I guess NZ needs a fleet of Twotters.. 



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User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 23093 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):
Then I guess NZ needs a fleet of Twotters..

Yea, operate into Milford, Stewart Island, Kaikoura, Picton, Great Barrier etc.. Truly be the national airline  .


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 22871 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 10):
Yea, operate into Milford, Stewart Island, Kaikoura, Picton, Great Barrier etc.. Truly be the national airline

Yeah I am quite surprised by the lack of flights to Stewart Island and out to The Chathams.



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User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 22830 times:

From Aerokiwi

And a lot of the pax are flying Oneowrld internationally and connecting to JQ. Though I think (correct me if wrong) some are now interlining with NZ to avoid hoisting their premium pax onto a lousy JQ service.

CX now offers only NZ connections when booking through their website .



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User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 22817 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 11):
Yeah I am quite surprised by the lack of flights to Stewart Island and out to The Chathams

I think demand or lack of aside, there isn't really a machine apart from the convair that can pull it off very well. There's no fuel avaliable in the chats afaik so all flights in would have to be tankering. The journey is 400 miles from the nearest NZ airport, meaning that it's not really do-able with a tankering sector, plus weather/tech alternates if needed etc


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 22782 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 13):
There's no fuel avaliable in the chats afaik so all flights in would have to be tankering

Which is something that could be changed if commercial ops began... perhaps even just to allow for partial uplift would make a difference. But yes other factors come in like liferafts etc



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 22785 times:

Regarding the JetStar discussion.... I flew quite a few sectors with them between 2009 and 2011 and every flight was delayed (by between 5 minutes and 3.5 hours). I'm sure JetStar must work for some people, but it just can't be relied on if you need to be somewhere by a fixed time. Now that Air New Zealand has their 'NightRider' fares, I don't really see why anyone other than those burning Qantas Points would use them.

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 4):

The article says that and additional (to what was previously planned) A320 is being added to domestic operations this year. Does anyone know if this is an existing option converted to an order, an order brought forward from next year or a Tasman aircraft being converted/switched to domestic operations? I would love to know.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
But yes other factors come in like liferafts etc

My first thought. Must be quite a squeeze to get them in a B1900D, if that is even possible.


Oh and happy 2013 everyone.  



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 22764 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 10):

Remember the days in this thread when Picton-LAX was brought up? Haha.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 15):
I don't really see why anyone other than those burning Qantas Points would use them.

But even then, why would you bother burning QF points on them.. Burn points to get delayed is not really the ideal situation. I'd much rather just pay to fly Air NZ and have more assurance of getting to my destination either on time or at least on the day I booked for.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 22746 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
But even then, why would you bother burning QF points on them..

In my case, because the points were about to expire and the travel was non-important VFR.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
I'd much rather just pay to fly Air NZ and have more assurance of getting to my destination either on time or at least on the day I booked for.

   As would I had the flights been paid for in real $$$, since they weren't it wasn't too much of an issue if the trip ended up getting cancelled. Getting stuck at the destination because of JetStar is always a concern, however.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7237 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22718 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 11):
Yeah I am quite surprised by the lack of flights to Stewart Island and out to The Chathams.

Population on Stewart Island is about 400 people, not really a big enough to support more than one airline, Stewart Is isn't much of a tourist destination either. The ferry from Bluff is dirt cheap with multiple crossings per day.


User currently offlineNZ6 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2010, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 22629 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 10):
Yea, operate into Milford, Stewart Island, Kaikoura, Picton, Great Barrier etc.. Truly be the national airline
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 11):
Yeah I am quite surprised by the lack of flights to Stewart Island and out to The Chathams.
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 13):
There's no fuel avaliable
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
Which is something that could be changed if commercial ops began

So NZ would need to first invest in a small fleet of twotters or convair's, employee a pool of pilots, set safety, training and maintenance standards and policies, invest in ongoing training to continually refresh pilots in these standards. We haven't even looked at other inferstructure costs such as check-in areas as an example.

Someone needs to install fuel tanks according to this, who will be paying for that upgrade? I would suggest it would be a fairly hefty set up cost. How would refuelling of these tanks be done? sounds like a pipeline to the wharf would be needed. Again that sort of construction isn't cheap.

NZ is struggling to make a reasonably isolated East Coast city of 34,000 work (GIS) and has failed to make one of NZ's key winter getaways' work (WKA) - how would a remote, hardly visited island of 400 work?

You would be competing with a very economical option of the ferry and there is already an established air operator which I imagine would be supported heavily by the locals over a big corporate from AKL.

At best you would be operating 1 service day and you'd be looking at a multi million dollar set up for this operation. If NZ makes the $180M this year, is that sort of investment worthy? what contribution will Stewart Island play in NZ's future results?

[Edited 2013-01-02 13:00:38]

User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 22526 times:

Looks like the JQNZ website has been down all morning, could this be one of the final hits in the coffin for JQNZ

User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 22506 times:

Does anyone know what the minimum runway length is for a B1990D? been looking all over the net but haven't been able to find a guide.

The main runway at Great Barrier is 930m, an ATR 72-500 on a flight under 300nm only requires 1000m runway length. Therefore surely an B1900D would be able to take off from Great Barrier, if not just a short exntention need to the runway.


User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 22494 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
Which is something that could be changed if commercial ops began...

Logistical nightmare though, I wouldn't think it would be worth the effort.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 15):
My first thought. Must be quite a squeeze to get them in a B1900D, if that is even possible

If (Big If) this was to go ahead, I'd imagine a Q or ATR would be used. Increase payload/freight. But the Chats is a long shot

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 19):

Agree with you there, my comments were said with tongue in cheek, as I presume a few of the other guys' comments were too


User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 22391 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 18):
Population on Stewart Island is about 400 people, not really a big enough to support more than one airline, Stewart Is isn't much of a tourist destination either. The ferry from Bluff is dirt cheap with multiple crossings per day.

The ferry is $ 71 each way - I'd hardly call that "dirt cheap" for a 1 hour crossing!!!

Flight from IVC (which saves having to get to Bluff where the ferry departs from) is $ 115 one way and $ 198 return


User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 22378 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 13):
I think demand or lack of aside, there isn't really a machine apart from the convair that can pull it off very well. There's no fuel avaliable in the chats afaik so all flights in would have to be tankering. The journey is 400 miles from the nearest NZ airport, meaning that it's not really do-able with a tankering sector, plus weather/tech alternates if needed etc

I'm not sure about the fuel situation on the Chats. However, Air Chathams used to operate a Metroliner so I'm guessing the B1900D should be able to manage it.


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 22465 times:

Quoting deconz (Reply 24):

I'm not sure about the fuel situation on the Chats. However, Air Chathams used to operate a Metroliner so I'm guessing the B1900D should be able to manage it.

The metro liners run on avgas, so they may of had a small supply there?


User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 22488 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 25):
The metro liners run on avgas, so they may of had a small supply there?

The metro runs on Jet A1. Garretts don't like avgas much.

Quoting deconz (Reply 24):
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 13):
I think demand or lack of aside, there isn't really a machine apart from the convair that can pull it off very well. There's no fuel avaliable in the chats afaik so all flights in would have to be tankering. The journey is 400 miles from the nearest NZ airport, meaning that it's not really do-able with a tankering sector, plus weather/tech alternates if needed etc

I'm not sure about the fuel situation on the Chats. However, Air Chathams used to operate a Metroliner so I'm guessing the B1900D should be able to manage it.

Chat's have there own fuel tanker on the Island, don't think they would share with anyone else though.



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User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 22593 times:

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 26):
Chat's have there own fuel tanker on the Island, don't think they would share with anyone else though

Ahh ok my bad, didn't show on the plate


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 22484 times:

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 26):
The metro runs on Jet A1. Garretts don't like avgas much.

They can run up to 100 hours on avgas before needing an inspection (something which they would probably need by that time anyway).



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User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 22443 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 28):
They can run up to 100 hours on avgas before needing an inspection (something which they would probably need by that time anyway).

Yes that is true, they can be run on av gas although it's not a great recipe for a long, efficent and trouble free life.

Aside from "SOAP" samples, the TPE 331's are more like a thousand hours between any routine inspections.

[Edited 2013-01-03 01:51:57]


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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 22090 times:

btw, how much longer can Air Chathams keep those Convair 580s flying?

User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 22083 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 30):
btw, how much longer can Air Chathams keep those Convair 580s flying?

Aren't they like 50 already? surely not much longer than they currently are.

I have heard rumors that they where looking into second hand ATR's, which for sure would improve passenger comfort.


User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 22031 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 30):

I was told they zero lifed a C580 relatively recently. Or was that another company in NZ? An engineer from Feildair in Palmy was talking about it


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 21857 times:

'Winds force Jetstar flight back to Auckland'

It seems JQ were having a few problems on Wednesday, !

''A Jetstar flight bound for Wellington was turned back to Auckland after its landing in the capital was aborted due to high winds.

Hundreds of people from that flight - How many people can you get on an A320!!

and other cancelled Jetstar flights have queued at Auckland Airport waiting to get seats on the next plane to Wellington.

A passenger on the 11.30 am flight said some in the ''massive queue'' waiting for new tickets were becoming irritable.

She said conditions appeared fine in Wellington but as the plane came in to land it began swerving wildly and its nose started lifting.

The landing was then aborted and the plane, which was full, was sent back to Auckland.''

Why did they not carry onto CHC? or was AKL the only divert Airport?



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User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21742 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 33):
Why did they not carry onto CHC? or was AKL the only divert Airport?

If you divert to the point of origin, chances are accommodation will be sorted for a good many people who can just go home. Divert to CHC and you've got a situation where no one really want's to be there and it's not like you can just bus/ferry them all the Wellington.


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21697 times:

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 34):
Divert to CHC and you've got a situation where no one really want's to be there and it's not like you can just bus/ferry them all the Wellington.

They could have chosen to divert to PMR, then bus everyone from PMR-WLG. Although this would mean JQ would need to pay NZ to use its ground services at PMR which they likely wouldn't wont too!


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 21653 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 35):
They could have chosen to divert to PMR, then bus everyone from PMR-WLG. Although this would mean JQ would need to pay NZ to use its ground services at PMR which they likely wouldn't wont too!

There really is quite a bit more to it than that. Even Air New Zealand at times when weighing up different factors will not necessarily divert to PMR with jets and the link fleet still often returning to the point of departure.


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21497 times:

AKL really needs a hide codeshares option on there website!

User currently offlineNZ6 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2010, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21366 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 37):

AKL really needs a hide codeshares option on there website!

Agreed

This applies to most websites though and not just AKL's site.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 21260 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 30):
btw, how much longer can Air Chathams keep those Convair 580s flying?

A few more years at least, I think. They're well maintained and according to the pilots, they remain the best plane for the job - rugged and able to take on the South Pacific.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 32):
I was told they zero lifed a C580 relatively recently. Or was that another company in NZ? An engineer from Feildair in Palmy was talking about it

What does zero lifting mean? I took a daytrip to PMR today and saw a sad looking ex-Chathams CV on the tarmac without many parts.. But I still saw another 2 in AKL today.



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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21197 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 5):
Out of interest - does anyone else think the days of the B1900s might be numbered? Purely anecdotal but family visiting AKL from Blenheim have noted increasing ATRs on their route and are booking only those flights for both work and pleasure - the difference in comfort and service is substantial. I guess it wouldn't be economic for super short haul hops like WLG-BHE but with more ATRs coming online, I wonder if the Beech numbers will at least be reduced.

Had a look at the Domestic schedule for April 2013 as ZK-MVC will be in service then. No ATR's BHE-AKL-BHE but two Q300's Mon, Thu, Fri, Sun, one Q300 Tue and Wed, no Q300 Sat. There's a WLG-BHE-WLG Q300 Tue and Wed morning, and a CHC-HKK-CHC Q300 Fri evening.

All 14 of the ATR's, 22 of the 23 Q300's, and 16 of the 18 1900D's are utilised. One Q300 maintenance spare for the 37 ATR's and Q300's seems reasonable and a Q300 can easily be substituted for an ATR. Two spare 1900D's, but I doubt they will be selling any just yet. I recall the 1900D is getting an interior refurbishment, and requires more maintenance.

What surprised me was most of the WLG-CHC / CHC-WLG flights are now ATR's. Monday has 11 AT7's, 5 733's and a Q300. Friday has 11 AT7's and 6 733's. Still no CHC-PPQ-CHC, an afternoon flight could easily be fitted in.

There's also increased variation to the basic Mon to Fri schedule, for instance different timings for the same flight number on different days, to accomodate a Mon only flight etc, and different equipment on different days. Presumably to more accurately match capacity to demand every day of the week.

Nothing so far on the 5 ATR options announced when the latest 7 ATR's were ordered. I expect they will take them up.

PA515


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 21146 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 40):
No ATR's BHE-AKL-BHE but two Q300's Mon, Thu, Fri, Sun, one Q300 Tue and Wed, no Q300 Sat.

That should be two Q300's Mon to Fri and Sun, no Q300 Sat, as follows:
Mon, Thu, Fri AKL-BHE 0800/0925, BHE-AKL 0945/1110.
Tue and Wed AKL-BHE 0810/0935, BHE-AKL 0955/1120.
Mon to Fri AKL-BHE 1515/1640, BHE-AKL 1700/1825.
Sun AKL-BHE 1040/1205, BHE-AKL 1225/1350.
Sun AKL-BHE 1815/1940, BHE-AKL 2005/2130.

The reason for the 10 min difference between the Mon, Thu, Fri AKL-BHE-AKL and the Tue and Wed AKL-BHE-AKL appears to be about avoiding having two Q300's at BHE at the same time. The Tue and Wed WLG-BHE is 0840/0905, BHE-WLG 0925/0950.

PA515

[Edited 2013-01-05 09:25:25]

User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 21103 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 40):

What surprised me was most of the WLG-CHC / CHC-WLG flights are now ATR's. Monday has 11 AT7's, 5 733's and a Q300. Friday has 11 AT7's and 6 733's. Still no CHC-PPQ-CHC, an afternoon flight could easily be fitted in

I would say by the time that more AT7s have arrived and more 733 have left the fleet, I can see CHC-WLG-CHC got completely ATR.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4930 posts, RR: 5
Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 21065 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 42):
I would say by the time that more AT7s have arrived and more 733 have left the fleet, I can see CHC-WLG-CHC got completely ATR.

and an additional A320 is to be added to the domestic fleet. How many 733/A320 will this be essentially flying AKL-WLG/CHC and return ? Something like 10 in service at any one point in time?


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 21019 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 43):
and an additional A320 is to be added to the domestic fleet. How many 733/A320 will this be essentially flying AKL-WLG/CHC and return ? Something like 10 in service at any one point in time?

When A320 arrives a 737 leaves the fleet, they had 16 733s but only ordered 14 A320s to replace the 737s. So once they have completed the change over they are going to be down 2 jet aircraft but up 7x ATR 72-600.

At peak hour, I would say AKL would pretty much almost use 90% of the domestic jet allocation up, as AKL-WLG-AKL and AKL-CHC-AKL is run every 30minutes in the AM/PM peak periods.

On top of that you then have AKL-ZQN-AKL now 5x Daily (summer 4x 320 1x 733), then the you have AKL-DUD-AKL.

Which ZQN/DUD each return trip is taking the aircraft for about 5hours.


User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 20992 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 40):
Had a look at the Domestic schedule for April 2013 as ZK-MVC will be in service then.

isn't it about time we saw ZK-MVB out and about?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 46, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20963 times:

Quoting deconz (Reply 45):
isn't it about time we saw ZK-MVB out and about?

I read somewhere it's starting mid Jan.



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User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20965 times:

I hope to see a piacture of ZK-MVB along with the All Blacks 32S and 77W!

On a completely different note, is the 777 in The Hobbit colors here to stay in this livery or only painted temporarily as an ad?


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20931 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 43):
and an additional A320 is to be added to the domestic fleet. How many 733/A320 will this be essentially flying AKL-WLG/CHC and return ? Something like 10 in service at any one point in time?

Just to clarify, no additional A320 has been ordered. The delievery of one on order has simply been moved forward from 2014 to 2013. The domestic fleet is still currently scheduled to be fourteen units (the four already here plus ten on order).


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20883 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 47):
On a completely different note, is the 777 in The Hobbit colors here to stay in this livery or only painted temporarily as an ad?

Can't remember the length of the contract, I think it was about 2 years?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 50, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20873 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 47):
I hope to see a piacture of ZK-MVB along with the All Blacks 32S and 77W!

Why? It's MVA which is painted in the All Blacks c/s.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 47):
On a completely different note, is the 777 in The Hobbit colors here to stay in this livery or only painted temporarily as an ad?

Started to peel already as well.. Who knows how long it'll last!



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20790 times:

This was discussed in the last thread. I feel necessary to post here again now that New Zealand Herald has reported the real story. These tourists were conned by an unlisensed local tour operator. Obvious the previous report has caused a lot of damages to the Chinese tourist reputation. Perhaps we should now revisit our view point and stop questioning NZ's (or other airlines) effort to attract more Chinese visitors.


The offer

*A grand Christmas buffet, cultural dinner and a great Kiwi barbecue

*Admission to a farm park with farm shows, shearing and milking

*Visit to a wildlife reserve with endangered native birds

*Geysers, mud pools and a soak in Rotorua hot mineral pool

What they got

*Auckland City Mission charity Christmas lunch

*Vegetarian dinner by an "Indian" spiritual group, for which they had to chant, sing and dance

*A sausage sizzle on a public barbecue pit

*Council-funded Ambury Farm Park and Western Springs

*Rotorua's public Kuirau Park and a soak at its free foot bath


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10857382


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 52, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20766 times:

Xiaotung,

Even I defended those tourists on the last thread, and I really don't think that they have been targeted for their behaviour. I actually applaud them for their curiosity and innovation in visiting a very alien country.

Unfortunately, however, it probably reinforced my jaundiced perceptions of the current state of the inbound Chinese package tourism industry.

That is to say, a cohort of visitors who are almost all neither fluent in English nor literate in it, who are basically hostages to their tour operators and whose every dollar is spent on flights, hotels, meals and shops chosen by those operators, with very little scrutiny of the processes determining, for example, which shops they are taken to, and what if any inducements underpin that.

And when I have been on holiday to places with a different alphabet I have elected to submit myself to the same loss of control.

And let's be frank, this is not the demographic of new millionaires from Shanghai. This is a demographic analogous to Jetstar International's demographic, or Air Asia X's.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25069 posts, RR: 85
Reply 53, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20761 times:
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Quoting koruman (Reply 52):
And let's be frank, this is not the demographic of new millionaires from Shanghai. This is a demographic analogous to Jetstar International's demographic, or Air Asia X's.

This doesn't really work in NZ or Oz, because our dollars are not green (or even paper), but as I would say of US dollars - Jetstar dollars (and Air Asia X dollars) are still green.  

mariner



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User currently offlineazzazzazza From New Zealand, joined Jan 2011, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20744 times:

When is the rest of the fleet due to be painted in the same livery MVB has? Or are they only doing some aircraft?

User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2253 posts, RR: 25
Reply 55, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20757 times:
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Quoting azzazzazza (Reply 54):

777-300's will be done in first half of this year.
777-200's will be done second half of this year and into next year.
A320's will be progressively done throughout the year.
767's won't be done.
737's won't be done.
744's won't be done.

NZ1


User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 56, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 20599 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 39):
What does zero lifting mean? I

Zero Lifeing (zero life) pretty much means you rebuild the whole thing (including new skin etc) so the aircraft is effectively brand new. As far as I'm aware of the aircraft's life will start again at zero, kinda like a reincarnation or born again plane if you like.
What were you doing in PMR anyway, it's not exactly my idea of a good one day trip if you don't have many friends etc there  


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 57, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 20567 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 56):
Zero Lifeing (zero life) pretty much means you rebuild the whole thing (including new skin etc) so the aircraft is effectively brand new. As far as I'm aware of the aircraft's life will start again at zero, kinda like a reincarnation or born again plane if you like.

Oh sorry, I misread it. Thanks for the definition. Great, looking forward to see another Air Chats Convair in the air again! I'll upload a pic of it over the next few days.. They already have one that is a reincarnation of itself - ZK-CIB had a crash early on in its life and was remade.. And then again into a 580 I believe.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 56):
What were you doing in PMR anyway, it's not exactly my idea of a good one day trip if you don't have many friends etc there

Haha. Grabbed a seat with a chance of getting on MVA. Never worked out and I ended up getting MCW twice..   At least PMR had free wifi and also had the Aussie SL test on in the upstairs area! Great view of Ruapehu while watching the cricket.. Not too bad! So 4 hours spent logging a new airport. At least I can say I don't really need to go back there  



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User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 20569 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 52):
That is to say, a cohort of visitors who are almost all neither fluent in English nor literate in it, who are basically hostages to their tour operators and whose every dollar is spent on flights, hotels, meals and shops chosen by those operators, with very little scrutiny of the processes determining, for example, which shops they are taken to, and what if any inducements underpin that.

And when I have been on holiday to places with a different alphabet I have elected to submit myself to the same loss of control.

And let's be frank, this is not the demographic of new millionaires from Shanghai. This is a demographic analogous to Jetstar International's demographic, or Air Asia X's.

I think when it comes to millionaires they are subject to the same English capabilities as you describe or most likely worse. It's the growing middle class NZ has been trying to target. That includes those millionaires' children (and if you like government officials' children). China is building hundreds of new airports in second/third tier cities. If it wasn't for New Zealand, they would be quite happy to take their holidays elsewhere such as Australia. It would be opportunity lost for NZ. I know there have been horrible stories from Chinese visitors who ill behaved in places like Hong Kong but those same group of people aren't likely nor can afford to fly such a long distance to New Zealand.

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 55):
777-300's will be done in first half of this year.
777-200's will be done second half of this year and into next year.
A320's will be progressively done throughout the year.
767's won't be done.
737's won't be done.
744's won't be done.

Does that mean NZ will lose the only Star Alliance livery in their fleet?


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5310 posts, RR: 11
Reply 59, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 20565 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 58):

Does that mean NZ will lose the only Star Alliance livery in their fleet?

Why would it? NZ like any other start carrier are required to have a certain % of aircraft painted in star colours.

Are some of the International A320s leased while we are on that topic and when do leases start expiring if so? And are the Sharklet fitted aircraft for International or Domestic use?


User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7237 posts, RR: 5
Reply 60, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20500 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 58):

Does that mean NZ will lose the only Star Alliance livery in their fleet?

With the new cheap and nasty livery it'll be pretty simple to add the star graphic to the tail and side of the aircraft.


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 61, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 20263 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 60):
With the new cheap and nasty livery it'll be pretty simple to add the star graphic to the tail and side of the aircraft.

Ha! True. Now that I think about it, it almost is the Star Alliance livery.

Quoting nzrich (Reply 12):
CX now offers only NZ connections when booking through their website .

Cheers for that - seems sensible. The number of AA passengers I met (during the QF AKL-LAX days) who had been stranded was quite surprising. Though moreso for them - they all asked why they'd been put on such a bumpkin airline after QF.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 33):
It seems JQ were having a few problems on Wednesday, !

Ok so this is what I don't get. NZ had cancellations that day, but as far as I saw, only some Link flights, no jet services. Why is it that JQ jets are more affected by weather than NZ ones? Is it the quality of the pilots?

Quoting PA515 (Reply 40):
Had a look at the Domestic schedule for April 2013 as ZK-MVC will be in service then. No ATR's BHE-AKL-BHE but two Q300's Mon, Thu, Fri, Sun, one Q300 Tue and Wed, no Q300 Sat. There's a WLG-BHE-WLG Q300 Tue and Wed morning, and a CHC-HKK-CHC Q300 Fri evening.

Maybe the ATRs were just over the holiday period. But in terms of service levels, the Dash and the ATRs are the same step up from the crummy old Beeches. You lean against the wall on those things and you just about get frostbite.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 40):
What surprised me was most of the WLG-CHC / CHC-WLG flights are now ATR's.

I noticed this a while back - I think someone on here said the earthquakes had severely undermined travel to CHC, which makes sense.

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 55):
777-300's will be done in first half of this year.
777-200's will be done second half of this year and into next year.
A320's will be progressively done throughout the year.

Saddest list I've seen in a while. Fingers crossed the new CEO will put a halt to it, though I doubt it.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 62, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 20181 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 61):
Why is it that JQ jets are more affected by weather than NZ ones? Is it the quality of the pilots?


No, nothing like. It's the scope of the respective operations. NZ has BEH/DH8/AT7/733/320 fleet spread across the country(Int and dom) to best suit the scenario whereas JQ has 4 A320s that chop and change Int - dom - Int and so their ability to swap aircraft, up-gauge, down-gauge, merge flights, reroute flights is far reduced.

NZ can choose to swap an ATR for a 733 on CHC-WLG to allow the 733 to be used for CHC-AKL in lieu of an AOG A320 and that sort of thing. That allows them to catch up very quickly.


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20160 times:

The Australia GM is relocating to Auckland.

http://www.travelweekly.com.au/trave...y/news/search-begins-for-air-nz-gm


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5310 posts, RR: 11
Reply 64, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20099 times:

Are all JQ A320s RNP equiped, which I guess mainly comes into effect for ZQN ops?!

Looking ahead I see NZ has in July August 2013 upto 5 weekly 772s to NAN, total 12 weekly to NAN. RAR is 4 weekly which it was last year at peak aswell, total 12 weekly. APW has 1-2 772s weekly aswell total 6-7 weekly, PPT has a 772 some weeks which happens from time to time. Good to see more widebodies on the Pacific runs, I'm aware some of these replace 763s while others replace A320s or are simply additional flights.

Any idea if NZ will keep the current HKG-AKL schedule once LHR-HKG is dropped, its operating an hour later than when the LHR-HKG service operated, CX operate just 2 hours later though. AKL-HKG NZ currently show the 2359 departure still which gives a spread with CX at 1320.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20092 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 22):
If (Big If) this was to go ahead, I'd imagine a Q or ATR would be used.

I was just assuming (probably wrongly) that a new route would start out being operated by the smallest aircraft in the Air New Zealand Link fleet.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 22):
But the Chats is a long shot

  

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 39):
I took a daytrip to PMR today and saw a sad looking ex-Chathams CV on the tarmac without many part

Been like that for years (assuming the aircraft you mention is the one that I think it is).

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 55):

767's won't be done.
737's won't be done.
744's won't be done.

Very good to hear this.   Is there a timetable for the Air New Zealand Link aircraft too, or are they just going to be done when an already scheduled repaint comes up?

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 61):
You lean against the wall on those things and you just about get frostbite.

So I'm not the only one to have noticed this phenomenon. I got a really bad cold from this back in 2011. I think the air-vent in ZK-EAQ must have been broken as I couldn't figure out how to turn it off or at least to reduce the airflow.



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User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1007 posts, RR: 6
Reply 66, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20067 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 65):
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 39):
I took a daytrip to PMR today and saw a sad looking ex-Chathams CV on the tarmac without many part

Been like that for years (assuming the aircraft you mention is the one that I think it is).

yup, I was there in 2009 (also on a day trip  ) - is it still this one: http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/000580362.html


Cheers
micha

[Edited 2013-01-06 19:24:09]

User currently offlineazzazzazza From New Zealand, joined Jan 2011, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 19934 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 55):

What about the link aircraft?

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 61):
I think someone on here said the earthquakes had severely undermined travel to CHC

Has it? Surely with the rebuild bringing a lot of workers from the UK and Ireland, and some allocentric tourists maybe looking to experience some earthquakes, it wouldn't have been hit hard? I haven't noticed too much of a drop off in flights... Anyone have numbers?

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 61):
the crummy old Beeches. You lean against the wall on those things and you just about get frostbite.

So you wouldn't recommend someone who has never travelled on one before trying them out?  


User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 68, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 19908 times:

Quoting azzazzazza (Reply 67):
So you wouldn't recommend someone who has never travelled on one before trying them out?  

They are not that bad actually . This is coming from someone who hates tiny planes .



"Pride of the pacific"
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 69, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 19898 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 64):
Any idea if NZ will keep the current HKG-AKL schedule once LHR-HKG is dropped, its operating an hour later than when the LHR-HKG service operated, CX operate just 2 hours later though. AKL-HKG NZ currently show the 2359 departure still which gives a spread with CX at 1320.

The one hour later departure from HKG probably has something to do with daylight savings. The previous years have seen the same change.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 70, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19793 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 65):
Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 66):

Ahh ok, thanks. I wonder what plane is being zero lifed then..



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User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 71, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19767 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 70):
Ahh ok, thanks. I wonder what plane is being zero lifed then..

Sorry if I was unclear before...

The plane in question has already been rebuilt/born again. I was told that it was done not too long ago (A few years ago), I have a feeling its the longer C580 operated by air freight but I'm not sure on that one.

All the other convairs around are still pretty old and I wouldn't put my money on any more being zero lifed.

Quoting nzrich (Reply 68):
They are not that bad actually . This is coming from someone who hates tiny planes

I actually enjoyed paxing on the 1900, they were quite a cool experiences I thought


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 72, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19761 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 71):
I have a feeling its the longer C580 operated by air freight but I'm not sure on that one.

I suppose it does make sense - the way to do it would be to extend it at the same time of the zero life; therefore it would probably be one of the CV5800s. You probably wouldn't zero life it otherwise. In that case I wonder what ZK-CID is doing, having sat there for years. Just imagine if it was parked up at SYD!



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User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1007 posts, RR: 6
Reply 73, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19684 times:

Quoting nzrich (Reply 68):
They are not that bad actually . This is coming from someone who hates tiny planes .

I totally agree - I love flying on them! An added bonus is the view to the flight deck - no door  
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 72):
In that case I wonder what ZK-CID is doing, having sat there for years.

And obviously it has not just been stored - when I was there people were working on it...

Cheers
micha


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5310 posts, RR: 11
Reply 74, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 19651 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 69):
The one hour later departure from HKG probably has something to do with daylight savings. The previous years have seen the same change.

I'm aware of that. Currently showing for NS13
HKG 1910 AKL 1000
which is an hour later than previous years for that time of year, meaning the NZ and CX flights are even closer together on the HKG-AKL leg. NZ will still have the aircraft in HKG from 0730 till 1910 daily. I thought they may have gone for a 1610 departure getting to AKL at 0700 or something. I guess it shows that the evening departure ex HKG is popular?!


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 75, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19616 times:

Quoting azzazzazza (Reply 67):
So you wouldn't recommend someone who has never travelled on one before trying them out?

No no, you may as well give them a go for the novelty factor, and they are a step up from Bandeirantes and Metroliners, not to mention the alternative - the bus. I just wouldn't use them for anything over 30 mins if I could help it. 80 minutes on BHE-AKL after the wine and food festival with a mild to thumping hangover is not a lot of fun on those things. WLG-BHE - sure, but thats about 15 minutes.

Quoting azzazzazza (Reply 67):
Has it?

I can only go by personal (professional) experience, but a lot of companies/govt ops in Christchurch were wound down and relocated elsewhere. You see it across the economy there, from professional service providers to government to students. It's nt great for CHC, but makes sense for business and business continuity purposes.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 62):
No, nothing like.

But wasn't last Wednesday in WLG about high winds? I don't think NZ cancelled any jets into WLG while JQ reports cancellations. Or are you saying that the high winds caused delays, delays which NZ is simply inherently capable of dealing with compared to JQ? Also, doesn't JQ have 8 320s in NZ now?


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 76, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19623 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 75):
delays which NZ is simply inherently capable of dealing with compared to JQ? Also, doesn't JQ have 8 320s in NZ now?

yes exactly. JQ have 8 here for International and domestic - it basically means that if they have delays then they can lose 25% of their total NZ fleet to WLG bad weather if the aircraft have to remain on the ground there... and naturally they will delay domestic before international..


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19671 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 74):
HKG 1910 AKL 1000
which is an hour later than previous years for that time of year, meaning the NZ and CX flights are even closer together on the HKG-AKL leg. NZ will still have the aircraft in HKG from 0730 till 1910 daily. I thought they may have gone for a 1610 departure getting to AKL at 0700 or something. I guess it shows that the evening departure ex HKG is popular?!

The most efficient solution would be to change AKL-HKG to a morning departure, something Air NZ will have to do if it intends to connect South America to Asia via AKL. A South American flight needs Australian connections and arriving AKL in the evening to connect with the present AKL-HKG / AKL-PVG flights won't have any Australian connections and possibly no domestic connections. But then arriving HKG / PVG too late in the evening may limit connections to Asia / China. Perhaps a split schedule of some morning departures and some evening departures.

PA515


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2253 posts, RR: 25
Reply 78, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19377 times:
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Virgin Australia are upgrading their reservation and check-in systems this weekend. The biggest change that the public will notice will be that the DJ designator will cease from 14th Jan, with all Virgin Australia, Virgin Australia (NZ) and V Australia flights taking up the VA designator. Info here:

http://www.virginaustralia.com/au/en/sabre-system-change/

NZ1


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 79, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19000 times:

As a member of CX's FF program ' Asia Miles' had the latest email today,

Air New Zealand partners with Asia Miles

On 31 January 2013, Air New Zealand joins Asia Miles in the Airlines category. From this date, members will be able to earn Asia Miles on Air New Zealand flights between Auckland and Hong Kong – and start redeeming miles for award tickets later in the first quarter of 2013 (exact date to be announced).

Tell you now much better then Airpoints'!

http://www.asiamiles.com/



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 80, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 18698 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 72):
In that case I wonder what ZK-CID is doing, having sat there for years.

Probably used initially as a spare parts plane I'd imagine, now I guess it's left to rot maybe? who knows.

I also see on stuff that JQ has a few negative articles again regarding the delays at WLG last week. Kinda reinforces the reasons discussed previously


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 81, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 18483 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 79):
Tell you now much better then Airpoints'!

Not sure if that is true, IMHO they are quite similar, both are not generous programmes.

But then, I think CX is smarter than NZ in pricing for AKL-HKG. On the NZ website they sell the CX operated flights at the same price as NZ operated flights, but on the CX website one needs to pay $100 more to go on NZ operated flights.

My partner and her mum just bought AKL-HKG-AKL tickets on NZ through a travel agent. The agent quoted them a NZ operated flight AKL-HKG and CX operated flight on HKG-AKL. Previously they would have been put on NZ operated flights in both directions. Can't see how this co-operation is good for NZ in this case.


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 18462 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 81):
My partner and her mum just bought AKL-HKG-AKL tickets on NZ through a travel agent. The agent quoted them a NZ operated flight AKL-HKG and CX operated flight on HKG-AKL. Previously they would have been put on NZ operated flights in both directions. Can't see how this co-operation is good for NZ in this case.

I guess the real motivation for this partnership is to tap into CX/KA's massive Mainland China network. If it was true as has been speculated that CX teamed up with VA, it could create a pretty powerful network within the region.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 83, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 18419 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 81):
Previously they would have been put on NZ operated flights in both directions. Can't see how this co-operation is good for NZ in this case.

Like banks or food franchises in food courts which agglomerate together, it is the attraction of all the companies being in the same area which draws people in - some will go to competitiors/affiliates, but your overall ability to draw from a larger pool will increase your chances of maintaining better business than being a standalone operator.

Well I think it is great. I'm pricing routings to connect beyond HKG (Not on CX) and the NZ codeshare on CX opens up a number of star alliance/affiliated options without having to endure a 12-22h transfer even in a preferred transit airport like HKG.

I would have been unlikely to have chosen CX by themselves and I certainly would not pay a premium to fly on their , but in this particular itinerary I likely would not have chosen NZ either (or even HKG for that matter) however I took a second look once I realised I could make an otherwise unachievable connection if I went CX/NZ . The most likely option would have been EK/UA/AC (if I could stomach UA longhaul,,, )


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 84, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18334 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 83):
Like banks or food franchises in food courts which agglomerate together, it is the attraction of all the companies being in the same area which draws people in

This is true, but with this particular partner (CX) there seems to be a slight problem there: while NZ is selling both CX and NZ operated flights at the same price, CX is selling NZ operated flights at a higher price. As far as fairness is concerned, this doesn't seem to be the right guy to partner with.

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 82):
I guess the real motivation for this partnership is to tap into CX/KA's massive Mainland China network. If it was true as has been speculated that CX teamed up with VA, it could create a pretty powerful network within the region.

That was the idea, but then after CX codeshares went on sale, I can't find KA flights on NZ's online booking anymore, on the HKG-PEK sector, NZ only offer connections on CA and HX, previously they had KA as well.


User currently offlineLuxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 504 posts, RR: 17
Reply 85, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 18309 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 84):
This is true, but with this particular partner (CX) there seems to be a slight problem there: while NZ is selling both CX and NZ operated flights at the same price, CX is selling NZ operated flights at a higher price. As far as fairness is concerned, this doesn't seem to be the right guy to partner with.

When i checked fare from Europe to AKL, the cheapest have been CX to HKG and then NZ to AKL, so they might sell a lot of tickets that way


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2253 posts, RR: 25
Reply 86, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 18181 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Air NZ has been declared the second safest airline in the world.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...afety-accolade-for-Air-New-Zealand

NZ1


User currently offlineaerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 799 posts, RR: 3
Reply 87, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 18108 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 86):
Air NZ has been declared the second safest airline in the world.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...afety-accolade-for-Air-New-Zealand

NZ1

Qantas don't make the top 10... just saying



What?
User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 88, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 18073 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 84):
As far as fairness is concerned, this doesn't seem to be the right guy to partner with.

You may find that they just are using lead in fares on the NZ site to maximise interest and familiarity with the arrangement. It would not surprise me to see the fare increase in a few months once purchase habits have been noted and analysed.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5310 posts, RR: 11
Reply 89, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 17740 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 77):
The most efficient solution would be to change AKL-HKG to a morning departure, something Air NZ will have to do if it intends to connect South America to Asia via AKL.

Yes it would for South America-AKL-Asia vv. South America services would leave AKL around 2000 and return to AKL before 0600. So AKL-HKG would need to be as it was in the past.

AKL 1100 HKG 1730 HKG 2200 AKL 1400

Longish connections for South America. PVG would need to be similar times. The good thing though about the current overnight flights is the early am arrivals which connect all over Asia and everywhere else.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 77):
. But then arriving HKG / PVG too late in the evening may limit connections to Asia / China. Perhaps a split schedule of some morning departures and some evening departures.


User currently onlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 17561 times:

Hey Guys, anyone know the rego of the aircraft operating AKL - BNE tomorrow morning

User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17385 times:

ZK-MVB climbing out of CHC for DUD as NZ5351  

User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17376 times:

and ZK-MVA not long out of WLG also for DUD as NZ5049. Two new ATR72-600 at DUD this morning  

User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17287 times:

Quoting aerohottie (Reply 87):
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 86):
Air NZ has been declared the second safest airline in the world.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...afety-accolade-for-Air-New-Zealand

NZ1

Qantas don't make the top 10... just saying

Now this is an accolade we can take seriously. It actually looks like quite decent research - as opposed to yet another "Air NZ voted best carrier to the south-west pacific by people that voted on a website (yawn)".

It should also silence - at least for a short while - the "Qantas have never had a hull-loss" crowd. It is refreshing that this research actually recognised there is far more to safety than avoiding dead passengers and metal strewn everywhere. Which would you prefer fly on tomorrow - the airline that is unblemished apart from one freakish hull-loss; or the one that has had 100 near-misses?


User currently offlineA330NZ From New Zealand, joined Dec 2010, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17189 times:

Does anyone know how the 733 flight from CHC-ROT has been doing? Does it have a good load factor?

User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 95, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 17142 times:

Quoting gasman (Reply 93):
Now this is an accolade we can take seriously. It actually looks like quite decent research

It is a good achievement. I am wondering though if this study took into account the 2 Q300 nosewheel incidents, the B1900 belly landing, the ATR windscreen cracks and the 1900 fatigue issues last year. I'm wondering if the study included Mt Cook, Air NSN and Eagle as part of Air NZ (Being fully owned subsidaries with the paint scheme all over the aircraft) or if it was just the Air NZ mothership alone.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 96, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 17115 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 95):
It is a good achievement. I am wondering though if this study took into account the 2 Q300 nosewheel incidents, the B1900 belly landing, the ATR windscreen cracks and the 1900 fatigue issues last year. I'm wondering if the study included Mt Cook, Air NSN and Eagle as part of Air NZ (Being fully owned subsidaries with the paint scheme all over the aircraft) or if it was just the Air NZ mothership alone.

Depending how the study viewed things, what you list may not actually be negatives. From a safety perspective, issues that were found with the ATR and B1900 lead to groundings i.e. the safest option till you get things sorted. As I'm sure you are aware, the Q300 issues identifed things the manufacturer wasn't even aware of so was a learning curve for all.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 97, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16911 times:

It seems the 787 is having several problems this week ! and now the 'FAA' are coming up with saying that the Aircraft might not be able to do New Zealand to the USA ! so I wonder how NZ will respond ?? (but that's OK NZ are going put 300 PAXS in a 3/4/3 and send it to China)

''
United States regulators are questioning the ability of the new Boeing Dreamliner 787 aircraft to make long-distance, trans-Ocean flights, such as those between the US and New Zealand.

The US's Federal Aviation Administration [FAA] has been monitoring the Dreamliner's long haul reliability even before a number of aircraft malfunctions hit the headlines this week, according to a report by the Wall Street Journal.

The tighter oversight and potential extension of FAA restrictions on how far 787s can fly from suitable emergency landing strips could affect flights into New Zealand and Air New Zealand's use of the 10 787 aircraft it has ordered from Boeing.

After several years of production delays Air New Zealand is supposed to take delivery of its first 787 in the second half of 2014, and the airline said it was too early for it to comment on any reliability issues with the craft.''

With the amount of problems so far, can see the 787-9 slipping and NZ have no backup plan !

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...reamliner-NZ-US-flights-questioned



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4930 posts, RR: 5
Reply 98, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16909 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 97):
It seems the 787 is having several problems this week ! and now the 'FAA' are coming up with saying that the Aircraft might not be able to do New Zealand to the USA ! so I wonder how NZ will respond ?? (but that's OK NZ are going put 300 PAXS in a 3/4/3 and send it to China)

''

This has to be the biggest heap of crap reported by any newspaper on the whole issue. Just concentrating on the EDTO. If FAA were to withdraw 330-min this has absolutely no effect on NZ. 240-min suits them just fine on the AKl-LAX route, for years they have used 180-min quite satisfactorily. Neither will it have any effect on any existing operator across the North Atlantic and Pacific. Basically 180-min EDTO covers close to 100% of all the airways in that part of the world. If the 330-min is withdrawn it will only be temporary until such time as any issues of concern are investigated and resolved.
If the 787 were as bad as some commentators are alleging its operating certificate would be withdrawn. This has not happened. Operators are flying it on the same routes as they did before the battery disintegration with some smoke ( in a solid steel sealed container ) in Boston . Nothing has changed . Certainly there appear to have been a faulty batch of about 11 electrical panels which have caused , I believe, two incidents . Like any other part that fails, it is replaced. This is pretty usual on all aircraft. I am sure the panel manufacturer will be under intense scrutiny from Boeing and the regulators and being pressured to shape up.


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2977 posts, RR: 28
Reply 99, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16878 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 97):
United States regulators are questioning the ability of the new Boeing Dreamliner 787 aircraft to make long-distance, trans-Ocean flights, such as those between the US and New Zealand.

That's the reporter's interpretation / extrapolation, and doesn't reflect anything the regulator has said. The FAA has made no mention of the existing 180 min certification, or the pending 330 min certification.

The timing of the FAA's 788 review may well be fortuitous for NZ. *If* anything is found, the review will be completed well before the 789 EIS.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 98):
This has to be the biggest heap of crap reported by any newspaper on the whole issue.


   Which is quite a feat, given the amount of uninformed garbage that has been reported this week. The known facts are in the U.S. NTSB and FAA press releases.



Empty vessels make the most noise.
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 100, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16773 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 97):
It seems the 787 is having several problems this week!

Would these problems affect the delivery date of the 789, I wonder.


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2977 posts, RR: 28
Reply 101, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16781 times:

So far, there have been:

- Aft electronics bay panel issue, traced to a batch of faulty circuit boards
- Cracked windshields, probably due to a manufacturing defect
- Brake sensor, traced to a software glitch
- Fuel venting, traced to a defective vent valve
- APU battery fire, cause TBD, but UA has found mis-wiring of the harness on at least 1 of its aircraft.

The first 4 are likely addressable quickly through improved supplier QA.

The last has prompted an FAA review of design and manufacturing processes, focusing on the electrical system. If anything is found, it's likely to be addressed well before 789 EIS - except in the very unlikely event that the FAA determines that there is a fundamental design flaw in the electrical system. The APU Li-Ion battery fire appears to have been contained in accordance with the design, but it's conceivable that the FAA may give further consideration to the use of Li-Ion batteries. However, aircraft fly around all the time with many "uncontained" pax Li-Ion powered items aboard. I'd be much more concerned about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjAtBiTSsKY



Empty vessels make the most noise.
User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16852 times:

Going off the overnight regional sheet here at work, ZK-MVB due into AKL twice today.

NZ5058 1440 Arr
NZ5075 1530 Dep
NZ5076 1800 Arr
NZ5077 1825 Dep

The sheet I'm going off was printed last night, so aircraft could change.

[Edited 2013-01-12 11:40:09]

User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 103, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16789 times:

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 96):

Yea that makes sense, all dealt with in a way leading to good outcomes


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 104, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16737 times:

Any idea what the QF A333 was doing in AKL this morning? Flightaware said it came in from SIN..


It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16727 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 104):
Any idea what the QF A333 was doing in AKL this morning? Flightaware said it came in from SIN..

VH-EBJ is currently flying JQ241 AKL-OOL, flightaware said it did JQ204 SIN-AKL-SYD yesterday.

Maybe JQNZ is down a few A320s?


User currently offlinezkeoj From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1007 posts, RR: 6
Reply 106, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16464 times:

Quoting gasman (Reply 93):
Now this is an accolade we can take seriously. It actually looks like quite decent research - as opposed to yet another "Air NZ voted best carrier to the south-west pacific by people that voted on a website (yawn)".

It should also silence - at least for a short while - the "Qantas have never had a hull-loss" crowd. It is refreshing that this research actually recognised there is far more to safety than avoiding dead passengers and metal strewn everywhere. Which would you prefer fly on tomorrow - the airline that is unblemished apart from one freakish hull-loss; or the one that has had 100 near-misses?

Nothing against NZ (they are my favourte airline, and I believe they are perfectly safe), but this study does seem pretty flawed. It just doesn't sound right, and they did not indicate what measures they actually used. And after some digging, this came up:
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...ry-is-also-about-fairfaxs-decline/

Not saying that this piece is perfect, but I had my doubts, and still have them....

Cheers
micha


User currently offlineWLG787 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16276 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 104):


It operated a charter for the Singaporean Ministry of Defence! Bringing soldiers down for military exercises at Waiouru! Return flight is in early Feb!


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16161 times:

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 94):
Does anyone know how the 733 flight from CHC-ROT has been doing? Does it have a good load factor?
CHC-ROT / ROT-CHC has been all ATR for a few years now. The last record I have is one 733 and two AT7's a day in Feb 2008.

Overlooked the November 2012 to March 2013 'trial period' announced at the same time as the CHC-MON flights. These CHC-ROT 733 flights are only once or twice a week from late Jan into Feb. Perhaps there were more of them in Dec?

PA515

[Edited 2013-01-13 12:56:45]

User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16107 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 108):
Overlooked the November 2012 to March 2013 'trial period' announced at the same time as the CHC-MON flights. These CHC-ROT 733 flights are only once or twice a week from late Jan into Feb. Perhaps there were more of them in Dec?

It was operating 6pw for the last month or two. The aircraft routed CHC-ZQN-CHC-ROT-CHC-ZQN-CHC



Piper power!
User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15934 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 40):
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 5):
Out of interest - does anyone else think the days of the B1900s might be numbered? Purely anecdotal but family visiting AKL from Blenheim have noted increasing ATRs on their route and are booking only those flights for both work and pleasure - the difference in comfort and service is substantial. I guess it wouldn't be economic for super short haul hops like WLG-BHE but with more ATRs coming online, I wonder if the Beech numbers will at least be reduced.

Had a look at the Domestic schedule for April 2013 as ZK-MVC will be in service then. No ATR's BHE-AKL-BHE but two Q300's Mon, Thu, Fri, Sun, one Q300 Tue and Wed, no Q300 Sat. There's a WLG-BHE-WLG Q300 Tue and Wed morning, and a CHC-HKK-CHC Q300 Fri evening.

AKL-BHE-AKL has been up to twice daily Q300 since the aircraft was introduced. In previous years the PM Q300 flight has been given the chop during the quieter winter months, not sure if it's the same this year. AT7's used to show up in BHE over the summer holiday period from AKL but this seems to have stopped also.



Quoting PA515 (Reply 40):
What surprised me was most of the WLG-CHC / CHC-WLG flights are now ATR's. Monday has 11 AT7's, 5 733's and a Q300. Friday has 11 AT7's and 6 733's. Still no CHC-PPQ-CHC, an afternoon flight could easily be fitted in.

There's also increased variation to the basic Mon to Fri schedule, for instance different timings for the same flight number on different days, to accomodate a Mon only flight etc, and different equipment on different days. Presumably to more accurately match capacity to demand every day of the week.

Possibly the most changeable schedule in the network (inconsistent sounds a bit mean). There is some A320 capacity in the schedule as well now (Fri).


Domestic passenger numbers through Wellington this Nov were 9% higher than the previous Nov, the latest Jetstar schedule increase seems to be having quite an impact.



It sounds like english, but I can't understand a word you're saying
User currently offlineagent99nzboi From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 15555 times:

With regard to the AT7 service between CHC-WLG-CHC, I think this makes a lot of sense, enabling an increase in frequency with a large reduction in costs.

On such a short flight the AT7 must easily be more cost effective than the Jets in-terms of fuel, labour, and landing fees. Despite the extra 10 mins of flight time on the AT7, the carpark-carpark time is often quicker (no security, quicker boarding/disembarking and no waiting for the air bridge). Just really quite logical as long as you're not silly enough to sit up the front.

Also a quick note that back in the day Mount Cook also operated F27s to the Chathams. I have heard stories of the plane smelling of KFC as it departed the Mainland and reeking of Crabs and Butterfish on its return.
I'm sure there is a lot of history about operations to the Chathams, considering the recent discussions I have been ever so hopeful someone may have given a quick summery.


User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 112, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 15402 times:

Quoting agent99nzboi (Reply 111):
With regard to the AT7 service between CHC-WLG-CHC, I think this makes a lot of sense, enabling an increase in frequency with a large reduction in costs.

I think in future we will see more ATR and Q300 flights between CHC and WLG, and less jet services. As you said it's probably not worth in outside of peak times for jet services on this route.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 113, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 15295 times:

Quoting agent99nzboi (Reply 111):
With regard to the AT7 service between CHC-WLG-CHC, I think this makes a lot of sense, enabling an increase in frequency with a large reduction in costs.

I wonder when the 733s retire, would we see a combination of 320 and AT7 on AKL-WLG as well.


User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 114, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 15252 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 113):
I wonder when the 733s retire, would we see a combination of 320 and AT7 on AKL-WLG as well.

I'm picking it will be more AT7 and DH3 than A320's at that stage (All 3 will be used). The jump in the number of turboprops on that route over the past few years has incresed from what I see


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 115, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 15218 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 113):

I wonder when the 733s retire, would we see a combination of 320 and AT7 on AKL-WLG as well.

Not on AKL-WLG. They don't have many other routes to send the A320 on and they don't need to be putting AT7s on that route. Maybe AKL-PPQ or something, if that market grows. But I can't see them wanting to put AT7s on the route.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 15174 times:

Quoting agent99nzboi (Reply 111):
Also a quick note that back in the day Mount Cook also operated F27s to the Chathams. I have heard stories of the plane smelling of KFC as it departed the Mainland and reeking of Crabs and Butterfish on its return.

Mt Cook for a while operated CHC to the Chathams with an ATR



"Pride of the pacific"
User currently offlineAndrensn From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 15151 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 116):
Not on AKL-WLG. They don't have many other routes to send the A320 on and they don't need to be putting AT7s on that route. Maybe AKL-PPQ or something, if that market grows. But I can't see them wanting to put AT7s on the route.

Also where would the capacity for AT7's to do AKL-WLG come from as NZ is using them to replace Q300's on major routes


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 118, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15022 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 116):
Maybe AKL-PPQ or something, if that market grows. But I can't see them wanting to put AT7s on the route.

I think if they start CHC-PPQ you might see it AKL-PPQ-CHC. Sounds like the new CEO wants to smash Jetstar domestically. I hope he succeeds.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 119, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14911 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 119):

Nothing wrong with that at all. I feel that AKL-WLG should be left alone and remain operated by jets - there could be a publicity point in there for JQ to "promote" jet only services between the two and claim that "it's a lottery" that you might/mightn't get a jet to WLG. A lot of people surprisingly care whether it's a jet vs prop but don't really care about anything else. AKL-PPQ will always be a secondary route but if they can grow it, why not. Especially from CHC too, as you say.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14820 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 119):
I think if they start CHC-PPQ you might see it AKL-PPQ-CHC

With more ATRs coming online there should be plenty of room in the Dash schedule to operate this.



Piper power!
User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14636 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 113):
would we see a combination of 320 and AT7 on AKL-WLG as well.

Highly unlikely, ive never been on a AKL-WLG service even off peak that has been less than 80% fill. It seems that is route has decent loadings any times of the day.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 122, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14226 times:

I hope the recent grounding of 787s would prompt NZ to reconsider their strategy of putting all the eggs in one basket.

User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14157 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 122):
I hope the recent grounding of 787s would prompt NZ to reconsider their strategy of putting all the eggs in one basket.

I'm not really sure what you would expect them to do? Whilst I think they could have been more proactive about managing the delays of the 787 (e.g. extra 777 capacity in the interim), when the 787s are finally here, they will make up slightly less than half the longhaul fleet for the midterm. It's going to be no different to virtually every other airline out there (having one or two types in the fleet). No airline buys a separate type for a 'just in case' scenario.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 124, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14104 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 122):
I hope the recent grounding of 787s would prompt NZ to reconsider their strategy of putting all the eggs in one basket.

The FAA are just showing due diligence, nothing more or less. I fail to see why NZ should now change their plans because of this.

My understanding is that the FAA "groundings" don't apply to non N-regos. NH grounding is voluntary/Their choice.
You'd expect the grounding to be either temporary until the current faulty parts are inspected/replaced, and the NZ aircraft still have not even been produced yet, so will incorporate any necessary changes anyway,

The time for NZ ordering aircraft in addition/in lieu of the delayed 787s was 2+ years ago... some like me would argue that the 777s delivered 05-07 should never have been 77Es at all and then NZ would never have had any problems at all. However, the 787 has had a reasonable EIS until now, and given that the 777 had similar, not unrelated teething issues that didn't warrant grounding, just specific maintenance checks/processes to be implemented I fail to see why they should
think these issues will be treated any differently with the 787.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 125, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14081 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 122):

... And order 4 789s and 4 A359s? That wouldn't be too wise either. You just increase your costs drastically over the long run for so called 'diversification'. Who would have known from the start that it would be pushed back so far.. The A380 has had problems too. I haven't seen many who operate it jumping onto the 748 bandwagon for safekeeping.



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 126, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14053 times:

it seems 2013 is becoming a nightmare for the new CEO and we have just come into it, how many time have there been problems with the 787 program and looks like the 2014 date is going move! , Rob kept saying the 787 is the game changer, look whats happened he flew before the 787-9 did and now the window has very quickly closed on an answer, most other airlines had a back-up plan for delays but can't see much movement here ...........


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4930 posts, RR: 5
Reply 127, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14110 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 126):
and looks like the 2014 date is going move!

What possible basis can you have to make this assertion? So there is a problem with the backup battery system that is intended to start the APU in flight. It is not clear if it is the battery or if in certain aircraft as in the UA example a problem in the wiring harness, which in UA instance they fixed themselves, or both. The wiring issue can be sorted out very quickly on an aircraft by aircraft basis. The battery issue will take a little longer but for sure the best brains are hard at it.
Do you think Boeing is stopping production and twiddling their thumbs while this issue is resolved? Not at all. If you are looking for reasons to support a hypothesis for delays in the program you should be looking at the very real possibility of a strike by the design engineers at Boeing. That would do it.


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4275 posts, RR: 52
Reply 128, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13933 times:

For those in Wellington, the Wings over Wairarapa aircraft have started their engines and should be over the harbour around 1230.

Texan



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User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 129, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13909 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 129):

Speaking of that, anyone going to the airshow? Or the one at North shore in a few weeks?


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4275 posts, RR: 52
Reply 130, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13899 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 130):
Speaking of that, anyone going to the airshow? Or the one at North shore in a few weeks?

I'll be there, most likely on Sunday. Sounds like we'll have a DC-3 offering flights between MRO-WLG for $70 ow. If anyone else is out that way and wants to meet at the show, give me a holler.

Texan



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User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 131, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13892 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 131):
Sounds like we'll have a DC-3 offering flights between MRO-WLG for $70 ow.

That would be pretty cool. Pity am working


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13772 times:

Does anyone know which 737 operated the first flight of the day to Dunedin yesterday (17/02/2012)? Thanks in advance.

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 123):
I'm not really sure what you would expect them to do?

Well, each time the 787 gets delayed, the Airbus A330 seems to become more and more capable. (that is not to say that getting A330s at this stage would necessarily be wise).

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 129):
Or the one at North shore in a few weeks?

I will most likely be there with a few friends.



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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 133, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13643 times:

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 123):
I'm not really sure what you would expect them to do?

It seems a bit late for them now, but they would have had developed the 777 fleet, e.g. ordering a few more 77W and consider 77L, refurbish the 77E earlier, and possibly retain those 763s they have gotten rid of, rather than waiting and hoping for the 787 to be the solution to everything.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 124):
I fail to see why NZ should now change their plans because of this.

They are not in a position to change now, but then if they are going to promote the 787 as a fantastic aircraft next year, surely some customers won't think so.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 134, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days ago) and read 13480 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 134):
It seems a bit late for them now, but they would have had developed the 777 fleet, e.g. ordering a few more 77W and consider 77L, refurbish the 77E earlier, and possibly retain those 763s they have gotten rid of, rather than waiting and hoping for the 787 to be the solution to everything.

I do agree with you partly.

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 123):
Whilst I think they could have been more proactive about managing the delays of the 787 (e.g. extra 777 capacity in the interim),

Remember that the 763s that left were operating leases. We are going back to 2005 here when those frames started to go and the 787s had not even been ordered let alone delayed.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days ago) and read 13452 times:

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 120):
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 119):
I think if they start CHC-PPQ you might see it AKL-PPQ-CHC
With more ATRs coming online there should be plenty of room in the Dash schedule to operate this.

A Mo-Fr AKL-PPQ-CHC 0830/1110 / CHC-PPQ-AKL 1125/1400 could be fitted into the Apr onwards schedule by making the AKL-TRG-AKL 1215/1350 leave 45 mins later. My first flight was CHC-PPQ-AKL in ZK-AYL, so I'm quite interested in this development.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 121):
Quoting cchan (Reply 113):
would we see a combination of 320 and AT7 on AKL-WLG as well.

Highly unlikely, ive never been on a AKL-WLG service even off peak that has been less than 80% fill. It seems that is route has decent loadings any times of the day.

Apart from a possible 0500 AT7 in each direction it is unlikely. However, when a five or six abreast 'Large Turboprop' eventuates the 320's could be less economic over this distance.

PA515


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 136, posted (1 year 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 12791 times:

I thought this was significant... http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...s-alliance-to-stay-Australian-only

A bit confused by the article, however. At the original announcement it was said that approval was required from the Australian, New Zealand and Singaporean authorities, but in this article the Commerce Commission says it's none of its business because it's not a merger but "an arrangement". What? Isn't that what the NZ/VA tie-up is as well? And I don't quite understand the significance of the lack of "interim approval" that Joyce brings up - if New Zealand authorities don't need to concern themselves withthis, what's the point of suggesting the hold up in authorisation is because of New Zealand's approval process? Or have I read this wrong?

Granting extension of the QF/EK alliance across the Tasman would effectively return us to a duopoly, which was always the risk with approving the NZ/VA tie-up. I'm not sure how it would have worked with such a variety of products across the partnership - QF puts pax on JQ, which would be pushing it for connecting EK passengers.

I've always hoped for an EK service from AKL to North America, though I'm not sure if that was ever a viable proposition (though hell they have to put those 380s somewhere!). I guess this would scuttle any plans for that, if they existed in the first place.

All up, a win for NZ I guess on the competitive front, though how they could oppose the tie-up when their own was approved smacks of hypocrisy. I still wait with baited breath for the promised new routes from VA/NZ. Newcastle? Townsville? Canberra? Hobart? Maybe Virgin will slap on a few extra frequencies one of these days... or, you know, not.

[Edited 2013-01-21 13:28:00]

User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12295 times:

Haven't seen ZK-MVB flying for several days now. Can anyone in the know indicate why?

Also, we must shortly see sightings of ZK-MVC @ TLS  


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2253 posts, RR: 25
Reply 138, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12173 times:
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Quoting deconz (Reply 137):

MVB is currently in the hangar having a minor defect rectified.

NZ1


User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12139 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 138):
MVB is currently in the hangar having a minor defect rectified.

Thanks NZ1. Will be nice to see her back on the network. Now I have a working ADB-S receiver (I'm NZNV1) I have a new found interest in these new birds!


User currently offlinemacilree From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 243 posts, RR: 7
Reply 140, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11443 times:

Does anyone have information on the start and stop dates for the Air Niugini B707 operations into AKL as part of the AKL-POM-HKG joint venture with NZ and CX?


John Macilree
User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11335 times:

Quoting macilree (Reply 140):
Does anyone have information on the start and stop dates for the Air Niugini B707 operations into AKL as part of the AKL-POM-HKG joint venture with NZ and CX?

I can narrow it down to late Oct / early Nov 1983 to 30 Jan 1985.

The CX/NZ/PX tripartite agreement lasted from 1981 to 1985. It was intended that each airline operate for 12 months at a time. CX started with a 707, then NZ from 03 Nov 1982 with a 742, then a PX 707 until 30 Jan 1985. PX withdrew their last two 707's from service on 30 Jan and 01 Feb 1985.

Source: Air New Zealand History ( issued February 2006 )
Quote:
1982 November 3: Air New Zealand commences once-weekly Auckland-Port Moresby- Hong Kong B747 service in association with Cathay Pacific and Air Niugini.
1985 January 30: Air Niugini withdraws from tripartite agreement after sale of B707 and Auckland-Port Moresby-Hong Kong services stop.


Is Port Morseby on the radar again?

PA515


User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10660 times:

Quoting deconz (Reply 139):
Now I have a working ADB-S receiver (I'm NZNV1) I have a new found interest in these new birds!

Hi deconz, I am pretty keen on getting one of these. Would it be possible to give me some info in terms of cost, what kind of receiver you have, setup etc. Thanks


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 143, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10645 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 142):

Take a look here: http://www.flightradar24.com/software. Be aware that your location will depict what you'll be able to see.. ie if you live in Ranui or something, the Waitakeres will be a severe hinderance to any detection to the west. AKL is pretty well covered as it is.



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User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10553 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 142):
Hi deconz, I am pretty keen on getting one of these. Would it be possible to give me some info in terms of cost, what kind of receiver you have, setup etc. Thanks

Hey WSTAKL ... US$ 20 can get you a piece of the action. Read ... http://www.hamradioscience.com/rtl1090-ads-b-decoder-for-windows/

I've purchased an external PCB Antenna (which is not much bigger than the mini antenna that is supplied with the TV dongle) for EUR 50 plus shipping that gets me coverage out into the Tasman from Fiordland to around 190nm of my location in IVC!!!

However, as NZ107 says, it's strictly line of sight at 1090MHz. I have a huge pine tree right in line with DUD which blocks much of the traffic into/out of DUD for me  


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 145, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10489 times:

I can see that NZ has updated their long haul online booking to bring it in-line with short haul. No S2S, and for AKL-HKG they have got rid of those CX options. Long haul multi-stop booking is still the older hopeless version though.

User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10472 times:

Just discovered that "works deluxe" trans-Tasman on the 77W gets you the Y+ spaceseats. Even I would have to concede, this is a pretty good deal. It does of course raise issues of product inconcistency etc; and I also loathe the whole seat/works/works deluxe classification anyway; but it is nice to feel like one is getting good value for money on NZ.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 147, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10464 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 145):
and for AKL-HKG they have got rid of those CX options.

I'm confused now.. Their other options AKL-HKG include via NRT on NZ/NH and via SYD on NZ/VS..

Quoting deconz (Reply 144):
it's strictly line of sight at 1090MHz. I have a huge pine tree right in line with DUD which blocks much of the traffic into/out of DUD for me

Time to get some firewood stocked up!  



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12088 posts, RR: 18
Reply 148, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10430 times:
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Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 134):
Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 123):Whilst I think they could have been more proactive about managing the delays of the 787 (e.g. extra 777 capacity in the interim), Remember that the 763s that left were operating leases. We are going back to 2005 here when those frames started to go and the 787s had not even been ordered let alone delayed.

NZ originally first ordered the B7X7 (as it was originally called) as well as the B772ERs in 2004. The order was for 2x B788s.


User currently offlineaotearoa From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10363 times:

All going well (actually, very well), Air New Zealand will receive the first 787-9 in the middle of 2014, ten years after it was first ordered. This has to be some kind of perverse record right?

Ten years is a very long time.

I sincerely hope that the current issue can be resolved with outcomes that ensure the -9 program timeline does not move sideways.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 150, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10288 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 148):
NZ originally first ordered the B7X7 (as it was originally called) as well as the B772ERs in 2004. The order was for 2x B788s.

Hat off to you, you are right (was actually called the 7E7 back then). My point still stands though, when the 767's were coming off lease, the 787 was not yet planned as the cornerstone of the new longhaul fleet.


User currently offlineazzazzazza From New Zealand, joined Jan 2011, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10273 times:

Watched a DC3 take off here in PMR at about 1150 (30th Jan)... Anyone have an idea what that would have been about? Was an interesting sight..

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12088 posts, RR: 18
Reply 152, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10169 times:
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An interesting read here about a proposed 90 seater turbo-prop ATR is close to offering

ATR Close To Offering 90 Seat Turbo Prop (by JoeCanuck Jan 24 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Maybe NZ would be interested especially for WLG-CHC, ZQN, DUD, PMR. Maybe even a WLG-AKL early morning run


User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10062 times:

I see NZ8960 is operating as IVC/NSN/AKL this afternoon. I'm guessing this is a one off due to groups activity. However, it would be great to see IVC get a flight to AKL once again, even if it does have to be on a puddle jumper!!!

User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 154, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10021 times:

Quoting azzazzazza (Reply 151):
Watched a DC3 take off here in PMR at about 1150 (30th Jan)... Anyone have an idea what that would have been about? Was an interesting sight..

Probably had maintainence work done at Fieldair in PMR. They came in for work every now and then when I was based in PMR

Quoting deconz (Reply 153):
I see NZ8960 is operating as IVC/NSN/AKL this afternoon. I'm guessing this is a one off due to groups activity

I would be a one off/charter/re-positioning flight. Any flight with 9 as the 2nd digit in the flight number in the link group is not scheduled


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 155, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9873 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 152):

Maybe NZ would be interested especially for WLG-CHC, ZQN, DUD, PMR. Maybe even a WLG-AKL early morning run

When NZ took the 72-600 they said they wanted to be the launch customer for the 90 seater ATR.

I'd WLG-AKL on the ATR would be highly unlikely


User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9826 times:

Quoting deconz (Reply 144):

Thanks for all the info. Will definitely be looking into it.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12088 posts, RR: 18
Reply 157, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9681 times:
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Quoting zkncj (Reply 155):
I'd WLG-AKL on the ATR would be highly unlikely

With the B733s being replaced by A320s, there would be some flights (mainly one or two over winter per day) where an A320 isnt warrented and a B733 would be better. What would NZ do, cancel/remove those flights from booking or put a 90 seater on the flight?


User currently offlinewawaman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 158, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9649 times:

I have to admit that I don't understand what AirNZ is doing with respect to alliances related to Hong Kong. I know the LHR - HKG route ends mid March and the reasons seem logical. But I had thought that they would offer a code share or something as a replacement.

Here's the background. My wife and I typically fly from London to New Zealand (either AKL or WGN) either once or twice a year for family reasons. We have been doing this for about 10 years now and have always flown AirNZ in Business Premier. As expat NZ'ers being loyal to AirNZ seemed right, and besides the product and general experience in Business Premier works well for us. We usually don't have much of a preference between transit through LAX or HKG, but usually notice things are much easier through HKG.

We booked our next visit for April this past weekend, and knowing that AirNZ will have dropped the HKG route, and this trip having a specific reason to need to stop off in HKG we went on the AirNZ website trying to book a multistop via HKG and expecting to be offered either CX or VS out to HKG. I should note we did expect that AirNZ would route us back through LAX which is just fine. However the website offers no options to stop off in HKG.

So, I phone the AirNZ reservations line and explain what we need to do, only to be told that they don't fly the route anymore, and they could have us go via Shanghai which I assume is a VS code share. Obviously not great if we need to go via HKG. So I ask if there is a codeshare LHR -> HKG with either VS or CX and told there is not, and if this is what we need to do that because the first leg of our trip would be VS what we need to do is phone the VS reservation desk and get them to book it.

So, we phone the VS desk and explain that AirNZ has just asked us to phone, and what we need to book. I should point out that our final destination in New Zealand is WGN. Virgin immediate had us booked in Upper Class on the dates we need return to Sydney with the required stop over in HKG. The last let SYD -> WGN is on NZ.

Having booked this, I can't help thinking NZ have missed an opportunity somewhere. If they just had a code share we would have been on NZ metal 3 of the 4 long haul sectors. I'm left thinking something odd just happened, or that I don't understand airline alliances.

Cheers, WA


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9596 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 157):
With the B733s being replaced by A320s, there would be some flights (mainly one or two over winter per day) where an A320 isnt warrented and a B733 would be better. What would NZ do, cancel/remove those flights from booking or put a 90 seater on the flight?

Although the A320 are larger, they operating cost is around the same as the 733. Hence the extra 40ish seats are effectively, additional revenue that can be made of busy flights.

Putting an ATR on WLG-AKL, wouldn't just be a simple timetable change, it would require the whole timetable mesh for AKL-WLG-AKL to be redone. Where as if they go completely A320 on this route, it would be alot more effective.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 160, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9592 times:

Quoting wawaman (Reply 158):
we went on the AirNZ website trying to book a multistop via HKG

I fully understand your frustration. The multistop booking engine is totally hopeless. I was trying to book WLG-AKL-HKG return the other day (when they had the CX operated flights still loaded on), and wished to take a domestic flight an hour or 2 earlier on the outbound leg, just to find that the only WLG-AKL flights showing is in the early morning, those which can connect to the CX operated flight. It seems if you are booking a connecting flight, the options of the 1st flights is determined by the departure time of available flights of the 2nd leg. Needless to say, I don't want to fly to AKL at 9 am in the morning and wait for the 23:59 NZ departure. I am sure it is very common for passengers to request for a slightly earlier or later domestic flight to allow a bit more transit time at AKL to avoid the rush, but the booking system just can't take a simple thing like this.

The other problem is that wherever the multistop booking doesn't take bookings more than 4 sectors very well, it just shows various error messages. I find multistop booking systems on most other airlines a lot easier than the one that NZ uses.

Quoting wawaman (Reply 158):
expecting to be offered either CX or VS out to HKG

In the initial announcement of the CX tie up, they did mention "exciting" connecting options on the CX and KA network, but this have not materialised. Indeed they dropped KA options between HKG and PEK or PVG, which is 2 steps backwards.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12088 posts, RR: 18
Reply 161, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9388 times:
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Quoting zkncj (Reply 159):

Even if the operating costs for the A320 are the same as the B733, the ATR is cheaper to operate and always will be. Thats why the ATRs and even some Q300s are now appearing more and more on WLG-CHC. If theres excess seats then if the ATR/Q300 schedule allows its better IMHO to replace the aircraft with a turbo-prop. Don't get me wrong I prefer jets especially the take off part but if NZ needs to then they will change aircrafts. Having one or two ATRs operating per day during off peak seasons won't require a change of schedule as the ATR could operate WLG-AKL-PMR and another could do PMR-AKL-WLG. Only change in schedule would be the flight length, but then the aircraft could operate the next required PMR/NSN etc service.

Does any NZ insiders know the current ATR usuage rates per day because IIRC the ATRs weren't being used to their full possible schedule options?


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 162, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9301 times:

While some morning flights will have a lower passenger count on its first e.g NZ402 WLG-AKL (0630-0730). On its return sector NZ411 (0800-0830) will have a much high passenger requirement, which will need a A320/733 sized aircraft. By changing NZ402 to an ATR you would leave NZ411 without an aircarft/crew, it would require an extra aircarft to overnight in AKL and more crew based at AKL.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12088 posts, RR: 18
Reply 163, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8871 times:
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Just read on the Australian Aviation Thread that TransAsia Airways are planning on launching Australian and New Zealand flights. TransAsia operate the A320 and A333.

http://www.tna.com.tw/en/index.aspx


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 164, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8823 times:

Great yet another airline to make AKL just that extra bit over crowded.