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Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #11  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
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This is a continuation thread of part 10 which can be found here: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #10

Have a Happy New Year!


Regards,

SA7700


When you are doing stuff that nobody has done before, there is no manual – Kevin McCloud (Grand Designs)
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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
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Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (01 January- 2013)

Updates from previous listing (Dec 01 - 2012) :

- Firing Order , Added : L/N 1489-RC528, L/N1490-RC510, L/N 1499-RC066
- Firing Order , Changed : Nil
- Accepted and Delivered : L/N 1430-RC601, L/N 1467-RC580, L/N 1466-RC007, L/N 1468-RC008.
- Accepted, but not delivered : L/N1422-RC522
- Emerged from Final Assembly Line : L/N 1470-RC026, L/N 1471-RC581
- Serial numbers added : L/N 1468, MSN 42096
- New (scheduled )delivery dates, corrections and additional (BBJ)background info added.

52 Completed airframes , Accepted 40, Delivered 39 (marked : @ ), Delivered 2011 (9), 2012 (30)

L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, F/F Feb-08-2010, test aircraft #1, light Boeing livery, test registration N747EX, selcal code CK-EQ, During flight testing recorded 870+ hours in 354 flights, Ferried June-08-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Sept-29-2012. Returned to KPAE at October-02-2012 with test registration N5020K, ferried to KPDX at October 23 for painting, returned to KPAE at November 12 with Cargolux registration LX-VCA(LX-ECV –NTU), name : City of Vianden, Scheduled Acceptance/Delivery flight date : January 2013.

L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA-11KZ , ferried May-29-2012 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard.

L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, During flight testing accumulated 720+ hours in 254 flights, ferried Oct-06-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Oct-15-2012. Ferried at October 23-2012 to Victorville (KVCV)for re-painting, return flight to KPAE 07 November. Acceptance date : December 16 or 18-2012 ?, Delivery flight date : TBD.

@ L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, F/F Aug-31-2011, full livery, name : City of Esch-sur-Alzette, test registration N5014K, Cargolux reg. LX-VCB (LX-ACV-- NTU), selcal code CK-GQ, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX1JS- KSEA-ELLX) date : October-12-2011.

@ L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, F/F July-22-2010, test aircraft #4, full livery, name : City of Ettelbruck, test reg. N5573S, Cargolux reg. LX-VCC (LX-DCV-- NTU), selcal code CL-KQ, Acceptance and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date: March-23-2012.

@ L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609, selcal code AD-FL , F/F Jan-10-2012, Acceptance date Feb-06-2012, Delivery flight (KAL28D –RKSI/ICN ) date : Feb-07-2012.

@ L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC546, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, test registration N5510E, HL7610, selcal code MQ-FJ, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 18-2012, Acceptance / Delivery flight (KAL28D-PKSI/ICN) date : Sept 04-2012.

@ L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, registration B-LJA, selcal code CR-HM, special Hong Kong Trader livery, F/F November 05-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date: November-15-2011.

@ L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, , registration B-LJB, full livery, F/F November-16-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date : November-23-2011.

L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, Atlas Air #1 (NTU), painted basic white-dark blue BA Colours), KPAE –stall 110, refurbishment completed ?

@ L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , selcal code AH-KM, full ABC livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Sept-16-2012, Acceptance/ Delivery flight (ABW1011-VHHH) date : December 02-2012.

@ L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, F/F Feb-3-2011, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, registration JA13KZ, selcal code FQ-EM, new (adapted) NCA livery, refurbished at Lackland AFB and KPAE, Acceptance date July 25 2012. Delivery flight (NCA696 - RJAA) date : Aug-01-2012. First operational flight NCA108 ( RJAA-KLAX) Aug-13-2012.

L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, Atlas Air #2 (NTU), white livery, no engines, low rate refurbishment, KPAE -stall 120.

L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, no engines installed, low rate refurbishment, KPAE –stall 202, Scheduled Delivery in July 2013 ?

@ L/N 1434 - 747-8JK, RC001, serial number 38636, 747-8I test aircraft #1, destined for a BBJ customer (State of Kuwait), test registration N6067E, full red-orange Boeing Sunrise livery, selcal code CQ-AJ, Official first Intercontinental roll-out ceremony happened at February 13, F/F March 20th, -2011. Last test flight at 01-12-2012, after approx. 200 flights with short of 600 flight hours. Refurbishment to delivery standard at KPAE and re-painted in full “ State of Kuwait “ livery, registration 9K-GAA, First functional test flight October 21-2012, Acceptance /Delivery flight (KAC8043-CYVR-KMCI)date : November 03-2012.

L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1 (NTU), selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, D-ABYE( NTU), engines removed, KPAE Everett Modification Center, Will be used for additional flight testing (tail tank, GEnx-2B PIP, NGFMS updates). Scheduled LH delivery date was September-30-2012 , Aircraft is up for sale after finishing of the test flights in 2014.

@ L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, full livery, name : City of Luxembourg, registration LX-VCD, selcal code AJ-CM, F/F September-02 -2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX789-ELLX) date : October 13-2011.

L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, Atlas Air #3 (NTU), white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, low rate refurbishment KPAE-stall 119.

L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, full livery, no engines, registration B-LJD, low rate refurbishment, at KPAE - stall 118, Scheduled Delivery in April 2013 ?

@ L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight , test registration N5022E, registration A7-HHE, white livery, F/F Jan-30-2012, Acceptance date Feb-27-2012, Delivery flight (A7HHE-CYVR-KIAB) date Feb-28-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin has been installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas, Ferry flight to Hamburg at Aug- 29-2012, Cabin outfitting at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, Germany. Service entry in 2014.

@ L/N 1440 - 747-8Z5 , RC003, serial number 37500, BBJ customer Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (Presidential Flight Authority) , white livery, 747-8I test aircraft #3, test registration N5020K, future registration A6-PFA, selcal code MR-DQ , F/F June 30-2011, Acceptance date May-24-2012, Delivery flight (A6PFA-KIAB) date May-29-2012, stored during summer 2012 at Wichita, thereafter Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin was installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) . Ferry flight (A6PFA- KIAB-EDDH) December 22-2012. VIP Cabin outfitting by Lufthansa Technik, Hamburg.

@ L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , test registration N1785B, Cathay registration B-LJE, selcal code BF-CS, full livery, F/F Aug-13-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : October-31-2011

@ L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37561, Atlas Air #4 , full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSD, selcal code HL-ZQ, F/F October-21-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (GSS7478- EGSS) date : November-03-2011

@ L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #2, test registration N5016R, LH registration D-ABYA, full livery, name : Brandenburg, selcal code BR-DA, F/F Feb-08-2012, Acceptance date April-25-2012, Delivery flight (DLH748 – EDDF) date : May 01 2012. Post Delivery Maintenance by LH Technik (EDDF). Inaugural flight DLH416 (EDDF-KIAD ) date: June-01-2012.

@ L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37568, Atlas Air #5, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSE, selcal code HM-BQ, F/F November-17-2011, Acceptance date : December-05-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-19-2011.

@ L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37569, Atlas Air #6, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSF, selcal code DK-JQ, F/F December-0 5-2011, Acceptance date : December-15-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-27-2011

@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Crown Prince Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Saudi Arabian Government ), test registration N458BJ, future registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Acceptance date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Owner : Bank of Utah Trustee, Salt Lake City, Utah (Corporation). Stored at San Bernadino . The Future of this aircraft seems to be unsure, because the Prince passed away at October 22-2011. VIP outfitting contract with Jet Aviation (Basel) was cancelled. Ferried, again with call-sign N458BJ, to Lackland AFB TX at October 06-2012. Leased to a new customer or delivery to another member of the Saudi Royal Family ? Ferry flight (N458BJ- KSKF-LFSB) to Basel -Mulhouse at December 28-2012. (Cancelled Jet Aviation outfitting slot occupied by new customer ?)

@ L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243, Cathay #6 , registration B-LJF, full livery, FAL Roll out date November 2, selcal code DR-EJ, F/F December-01-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : December-12-2011.

@ L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, registration VQ-BLQ, selcal code FM-DS, full livery, the last assembled 747-8 aircraft in 2011, F/F December-21-2011, Acceptance date Jan-26-2012. Delivery flight (ABW5011- KORD) date : Feb-03-2012.

@ L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri flight, leased from Lewiston Investments, A7-HJA , selcal CE-JM, white livery, F/F March-31-2012, Acceptance and Delivery flight (A7HJA-CYVR-KIAB) date April -25-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation completed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES), Wichita, Kansas. Ferry flight to Basel-Mulhouse(LFSB) at November 09-2012. Cabin outfitting will be done by completion center AMAC at Basel, Switzerland, see : http://www.amacaerospace.com/news/news-2012-11-13.html

@ L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244, Cathay #7, future registration B-LJG, full livery, selcal code LM-AJ, F/F February-11-2012, Acceptance date Feb-25-2012, Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date Feb-27-2012.

@ L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, , Lufthansa #3, full livery, selcal code CR-DP, D-ABYC, named : Sachsen, F/F June-07-2012, Acceptance date June-30-2012, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date July-01-2012, PDM by LH Technik at EDDF. First operational Flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) July 25-2012.

@ L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, full livery, test reg. N1788B, registration VQ-BLR, selcal code DK-FS, F/F March-16-2012, Acceptance date : March-30-2012, Delivery flight (ABW4011-KORD) date : April 04-2012.

@ L/N 1453 - 747-830, RC024, serial number 37829, Lufthansa #4 , D-ABYD, named : Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, full livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 01-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date Aug-24-2012, Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM) by LH Technik, First operational flight DLH754 (EDDF-VOBL) September 13-2012.

@ L/N 1454 -747-8R7F, RC505, serial number 35810, Cargolux #5, full livery, name : City of Echternach, registration LX-VCE, selcal AM-JP, F/F May 05 -2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date May 24-2012.

@ L/N 1455 - 747-87UF, RC577, serial number 37570, Atlas Air #7, full Panalpina livery, name: Spirit of Panalpina, registration N850GT, selcal code CM-GJ, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F May-15-2012, Acceptance and delivery flight (GTI609-VHHH) date : May-31-2012.

@ L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYF, name : Sachsen-Anhalt, selcal code CM-BH, full livery, , F/F Sept-28-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date October-23-2012. Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM)by LH Technik (EDDF). First operational flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) November 09-2012.

@ L/N 1457 - 747-867F, RC558, serial number 39245, Cathay #8, full livery, test registration N6018N, registration B-LJH, F/F June -14-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3337- CYVR)date : July 13 2012.

@ L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #8, Full Panalpina livery, name : Passion for Solutions, registration N851GT, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F July 12-2012, Acceptance date July 24, Delivery flight (KHSV-GTI9037)date July 25-2012.

@ L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, BBJ customer : According some rumours (not confirmed) : Bahrain Royal Flight, test registration N455BJ, future registration A9C-???, white livery, F/F October 18-2012, Owner : Wells Fargo Bank Northwest NA Trustee Salt Lake City Utah , Acceptance/Delivery flight (N455BJ-CYVR-KAFW-KCNW) date : November 02-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco,TX.

@ L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, future registration B-LJI, full livery, KPAE Flight line, F/F Aug-20-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3335 - CYVR) date Aug-30-2012.

@ L/N 1461 - 747-8R7F, RC506, serial number 35811, Cargolux #6, registration LX-VCF, full livery, name : City of Grevenmacher, F/F Aug 30-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-ELLX )date Sept 12-2012.

@ L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37571, Atlas Air #9, registration N852GT, full Atlas livery, FAL roll-out Aug 07-2012, F/F September 14-2012, Acceptance date Sept-30-2012 /Delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date October- 02-2012

L/N1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , test registration N5511Y, VQ-BRH, full livery, F/F Nov-14-2012, Ferried to Portland (KPDX) for painting at Dec. 02, return flight at December 13, expected acceptance/delivery flight date : TBD

@L/N1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serial number 39246, Cathay #10, registration B-LJJ, full livery, Roll-out date Sept. 5, F/F October 16-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date October 26-2012.

@L/N1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, full livery, name : City of Diekirch, registration LX-VCG, F/F October 16-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date : November 19-2012.

@ L/N 1466 - 747-8H0, RC007, serial number 39749, Royal Flight Oman, test registration N5511V, future registration A4O-HMS, selcal code FR-AD, white livery, FAL roll-out October 07-2012, F/F November-16-2012, KPAE flight line, Scheduled Acceptance date December 10-2012 . Delivery flight (A4OHMS- CYVR- KCNW) date : December 12-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco, TX, see : http://www2.l-3com.com/is/releases/P...eives-second-747-8-final-photo.pdf

@ L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #10, N853GT, selcal code DK-EL, Polar/DHL Express livery, KPAE flight line, F/F November 26 -2012, Acceptance/delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date : December 04-2012

@ L/N 1468 - 747-8ZV, RC008,serial number 42096, Lessor : Worldwide Aircraft Holding Company – Bermuda, Customer : Former Emir of Qatar (Sheikh Khalifa bin Hamad bin Abdullah bin Jassim bin Muhammed Al Thani), registration VQ-BSK (VQ-B = Bermuda / SK = Sheikh Khalifa), full livery, Roll-out November 08-2012, F/F December 13 2012, Acceptance date December 20-2012, Delivery flight (VQBSK-CYVR) date December 21-2012. Airplane is (probably ) located at Dallas Love Field to be outfitted by Associated Air Center. At the same location an elevator and an Aeroloft modification kit will be installed, expected total modification time 36 months.

L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, registration JA14KZ, unpainted with NCA livery rudders, Roll-out November 26-2012, KPAE flight line. Is scheduled in February 2013 to be send to Marana AZ (storage ?).

L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYG, unpainted with dark blue rudders, KPAE flight line, scheduled delivery *Jan 31 2013

L/N 1471 - 747-87UF, RC581, Atlas Air #11, serial number 37566, N854GT, unpainted with dark blue rudders, KPAE Flight line.
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At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL) at Everett Building 40-22

L/N 1472 - 747-830, RC027, serial number 37832, Lufthansa #7, D-ABYH, scheduled delivery* Feb 28 2013, slant position #1.
L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH, slant position #2.
L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, serial number 37654, KAL#3, HL7617, body join position.
L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYI, scheduled delivery*April 30 2013, wing join position.

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Firing order : 16 Airframes , scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).

L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, serial number 37567, Atlas Air #12, N855GT
L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYJ, scheduled delivery* June 30 2013
L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, serial number 35822, Cargolux #9, registration LX-VCI
L/N 1479 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, registration JA15KZ
L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #10, D-ABYK, scheduled delivery* July 31 2013
L/N 1481 - 747-8B5F, RC548, serial number 37655***, KAL #4
L/N 1482 - 747-8HVF, RC605, serial number 37670, Air Bridge Cargo( ABC) #5
L/N 1483 - 747-867F, RC561 (former RC631), serial number 43394?, Cathay Pacific #11, (leased Air China Cargo?)
L/N 1484 - 747-867F, RC562 (former RC632), Cathay Pacific #12 (leased Air China Cargo?)
L/N 1485 - 747-8KZF, RC526, NCA #6, registration JA16KZ
L/N 1486 - 747-867F, RC563 (former RC633), Cathay Pacific #13 (leased Air China Cargo?)
L/N 1487 - 747-8KZF, RC527, NCA #7, registration JA17KZ, nominal roll-out date August 22-2013.
L/N 1488 - 747-8B5F, RC549, serial number 37656***, KAL #5
L/N 1489 - 747-8KZF, RC528, NCA #8
L/N 1490 - 747-8R7F, RC510, Cargolux #10
L/N 1491 until/incl. L/N 1498 not yet allocated
L/N 1499 - 747-89L, RC066, Air China, Boeing internal code “BEJ”

? = Not confirmed
*= Only one (1) source : http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa
**= Boeing Customer code not known.
***= extrapolation.

I will try to publish the following updates on the first of each month to stay synchronized with the monthly Boeing delivery publications.

Please feel free to add updates, corrections and remarks by replies in this thread (or by PM).

Cheers, Peter.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 41564 times:

Quote:
Accepted, but not delivered : L/N1422-RC522

Accepted 40, Delivered 39 (marked : @ ), Delivered 2011 (9), 2012 (30)

Boeing said that they delivered 31 747 aircraft in 2012. Can we assume that RC522 has been delivered?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 41201 times:

Here is a better shot of RC026:

http://paineairport.com/kpae5792.htm



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7654 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 41172 times:

I am moving to Tokyo in March, and will be following the KZ deliveries closely. I would like more information for the following:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 1):
L/N 1479 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, registration JA15KZ

This one is in the firing order; when should I expect this to be delivered?

Quoting 747classic (Reply 1):
L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522,
Quoting 747classic (Reply 1):
Acceptance date : December 16 or 18-2012 ?, Delivery flight date : TBD.

So this one was accepted but not delivered? Anything going on with this?

Quoting 747classic (Reply 1):
L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, registration JA14KZ, unpainted with NCA livery rudders, Roll-out November 26-2012, KPAE flight line. Is scheduled in February 2013 to be send to Marana AZ (storage ?).

Same with this....it's being sent to MZJ but when should this one be delivered?

Thanks



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 41155 times:

See Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #10 (reply 70) for some information on the KZ deliveries.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days ago) and read 40860 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 2):
Boeing said that they delivered 31 747 aircraft in 2012. Can we assume that RC522 has been delivered?


I answered my own question: the Boeing delivery list now shows 2 deliveries in 2012 for Nippon Cargo Airlines.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...ReportType=CurYrDelv&pageid=m15520

[Edited 2013-01-03 08:38:45]


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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 607 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 40562 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 2):

Boeing said that they delivered 31 747 aircraft in 2012. Can we assume that RC522 has been delivered?

Handed over, but the airplane has not flown away yet. As of this moment, she sits on the south end of the KPAE flight line, between LN 1420 (for CLX) and LN 1463 (for AirBridge Cargo). Those two airplanes should deliver in a month or so, but a fly-away date for RC522 is TBA.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
Same with this....it's being sent to MZJ but when should this one be delivered?

She should get her ticket in late February, and then fly-away shortly thereafter.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 40236 times:

Another nice picture of RC571, it looks like she's almost ready to fly:

http://paineairport.com/kpae5805.htm



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 40228 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 8):
Another nice picture of RC571, it looks like she's almost ready to fly:

If they have refurbished the plane, then there should be a high chance that someone is taking her.


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Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 39735 times:

RC524 is in the air.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130108/1700Z/KPAE/KMWH



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Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 39455 times:

And an awesome picture of RC524's first flight:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvo...t/8362742965/in/contacts/lightbox/

[Edited 2013-01-09 01:19:18]


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Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 39431 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):

Wow, thats awesome. Even in rags the Queen is graceful as no other plane!


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Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 39127 times:

RC522 delivery flight popped up on flightaware:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...6/history/20130110/1505Z/KPAE/RJAA



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Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 38438 times:

There is some flight activity again.

RC604:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130116/2130Z/KMWH/KPAE

RC501:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130116/1845Z/KMWH/KPAE



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 37946 times:

RC581 / N854GT in full Atlas Air livery:

http://paineairport.com/kpae5874.htm



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Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 37851 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 15):

Sweet! When shall he be delivered?



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Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 37673 times:

Saudi Arabian (Cargo) will be receiving two airplanes in Mar 2013 with following details:
Model ID Code Block# S/N L/N Reg #
747-87UF SVA RC571 37562 1429 HZ-AI3
747-87UF SVA RC572 37563 1432 HZ-AI4


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Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 37660 times:
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Quoting SV777 (Reply 17):
Saudi Arabian (Cargo) will be receiving two airplanes in Mar 2013 with following details:


Boeing does have two 747-8F UFOs from 27-Nov-2012, so I am guessing that is an unannounced SV order for two of the NTU's from Atlas Air?

[Edited 2013-01-22 16:39:41]

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Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 37654 times:

Quoting SV777 (Reply 17):

Saudi Arabian (Cargo) will be receiving two airplanes in Mar 2013 with following details:
Model ID Code Block# S/N L/N Reg #
747-87UF SVA RC571 37562 1429 HZ-AI3
747-87UF SVA RC572 37563 1432 HZ-AI4

Thank you. This is indeed some positively surprising information. So two of the rejected Atlas frames have found a home as was suspected.


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Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 37381 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 1):
Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (01 January- 2013)

It was my understanding that Atlas Air refused the first four planes, but in this list I can account for only three of them. Am I mistaken, or if not, what happened to the fourth? At this point it looks like only RC573 is looking for employment. And was there that much difference between RC573 and RC574? They did take RC574.



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Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 37359 times:

No, they refused only three planes.

Quote:
what happened to the fourth

RC574 is the fourth and is flying for BA World Cargo.



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Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 37342 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):

RC574 is the fourth and is flying for BA World Cargo.

But did Boeing institute a change between RC573 and RC574 that made it worthwhile to take RC574 but not the previous three? There is only a difference of 4 in the line numbers; at which points did Boeing institute changes, and how significant were they?



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Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 37096 times:

The next one for LH ln1470, to become D-ABYG, had its first flight yesterday.

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Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 36732 times:

RC524 will fly to KOA in about one hour.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130125/1445Z/KPAE/PHKO



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7654 posts, RR: 18
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 36847 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):

Why there? Kind of an odd test flight



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Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 36915 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 25):
Why there? Kind of an odd test flight

Boeing uses Kona fairly often. It's got a big runway, extremely low traffic, ground facilities capable of handling a 747, and a good working relationship. I don't know why they're going out into the Pacific but, if they do, Boeing almost always goes to Kona.

Tom.


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Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 37043 times:

It's a 6 hour flight, way longer than the usual test flight. I have no idea what Boeing is doing there.

In other news, RC572 is getting its engines attached:
http://paineairport.com/kpae5903.htm

Refurbishment looks almost complete.



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Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 36893 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 1):
Firing order : 16 Airframes , scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).

First of all, thank you for your hard work and keeping us updated. Question: but this is not the remaining backlog, correct? Only the airframes identified so far, right?.


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Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 36853 times:

That's correct. For example, only 1 of the 5 Air China frames has been identified so far (LN 1499).

[Edited 2013-01-26 05:48:33]


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Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 36707 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):
It's a 6 hour flight, way longer than the usual test flight. I have no idea what Boeing is doing there.

Probably using it for some warm weather/ice free certification issues. Engine improvements??


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Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 36314 times:

RC571 B1 flight is scheduled for today.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/295784103167537152



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Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 35839 times:

Is it D-ABYH we see unpainted all the way to the left here?

http://paineairport.com/images/fl012913.jpg


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Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 35823 times:

Correct, D-ABYH left the factory about a week ago.


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Reply 34, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 35470 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):
RC571 B1 flight is scheduled for today.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/...37152

After some delays RC571 made it finally into the air.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130131/1600Z/KPAE/KMWH

RC571 was first seen in August 2010 and is now flying for the first time.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/airline...920413560/in/photostream/lightbox/



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Reply 35, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 35242 times:

January is now behind us and it was a quiet month with no deliveries. Here is an overview of the flight activity last month.

- RC501: made about 10 test flights since finishing refurbishment, delivery was previously reported for January but that did not happen.

- RC604: made also about 10 test flights since November, I have however no idea what's going on with this one. There is a nice picture of this bird at http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/8434892788/

- RC571: finally made its first flight on January 31. It will fly to Portland for painting on Friday. Matt Cawby has a nice overview of the bird's history http://kpae.blogspot.nl/2013/01/paine-field-january-31.html

- RC524: still unpainted and made a long test flight towards KOA. Probably still scheduled for storage at Marana AZ?

- RC026: the next delivery for Lufthansa, made several test flights. The last flight on January 31 looks like a customer flight but I'm not sure about this.

[Edited 2013-02-01 01:09:38]


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Reply 36, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 35111 times:

Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (01 February- 2013)

Updates from previous listing (Jan 01 - 2013) :

- Firing Order , Added : L/N 1491-RC511, L/N 1492 - RC031
- Firing Order , Changed : Nil
- Delivered : Nil
- Delivery flight : L/N1422-RC522 (Jan 10)
- Emerged from Final Assembly Line : L/N 1472 – RC027
- The following six registrations for 747-8 aircraft were added to the FAA registry, see : http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...txt=BOEING&Modeltxt=747-8&PageNo=1
- N769BA, serial number 37669, L/N 1463, RC604
- N770BA, serial number 37564, L/N 1437, RC573
- N772BA, serial number 37394, L/N 1469, RC524
- N773BA, serial number 36141, L/N 1487? , RC527?
- N774BA, serial number 37655, L/N 1481, RC548
- N775BA, serial number 37656, L/N 1488, RC549
- Normally these type of –BA registration are used for aircraft owned by Boeing Aircraft Trading (lessor)
- L/N 1429 - RC 571 and L/N 1432 -RC 572 seem to be sold (or leased and operated by Atlas Air ?) to Saudi Cargo.


53 Completed airframes , Delivered 40 (marked : @ ), Delivered 2011 (9), 2012 (31)

L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, F/F Feb-08-2010, test aircraft #1, light Boeing livery, test registration N747EX, selcal code CK-EQ, During flight testing recorded 870+ hours in 354 flights, Ferried June-08-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Sept-29-2012. Returned to KPAE at October-02-2012 with test registration N5020K, ferried to KPDX at October 23 for painting, returned to KPAE at November 12 with Cargolux registration LX-VCA(LX-ECV –NTU), name : City of Vianden, Scheduled Acceptance/Delivery flight date : February 2013.

L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA-11KZ , ferried May-29-2012 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard.

@ L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, During flight testing accumulated 720+ hours in 254 flights, ferried Oct-06-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Oct-15-2012. Ferried at October 23-2012 to Victorville (KVCV)for re-painting, return flight to KPAE 07 November. Acceptance date : December 20, 2012, Delivery flight (NCA696-RJAA) date : January 10, 2013.

@ L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, F/F Aug-31-2011, full livery, name : City of Esch-sur-Alzette, test registration N5014K, Cargolux reg. LX-VCB (LX-ACV-- NTU), selcal code CK-GQ, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX1JS- KSEA-ELLX) date : October-12-2011.

@ L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, F/F July-22-2010, test aircraft #4, full livery, name : City of Ettelbruck, test reg. N5573S, Cargolux reg. LX-VCC (LX-DCV-- NTU), selcal code CL-KQ, Acceptance and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date: March-23-2012.

@ L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609, selcal code AD-FL , F/F Jan-10-2012, Acceptance date Feb-06-2012, Delivery flight (KAL28D –RKSI/ICN ) date : Feb-07-2012.

@ L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC546, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, test registration N5510E, HL7610, selcal code MQ-FJ, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 18-2012, Acceptance / Delivery flight (KAL28D-PKSI/ICN) date : Sept 04-2012.

@ L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, registration B-LJA, selcal code CR-HM, special Hong Kong Trader livery, F/F November 05-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date: November-15-2011.

@ L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, , registration B-LJB, full livery, F/F November-16-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date : November-23-2011.

L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, Atlas Air #1 (NTU), painted basic white-dark blue BA Colours), F/F Jan 31, 2013, KPAE flight line, test registration N5023Q, new customer Saudi Arabian Cargo, HZ-AI3

@ L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , selcal code AH-KM, full ABC livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Sept-16-2012, Acceptance/ Delivery flight (ABW1011-VHHH) date : December 02-2012.

@ L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, F/F Feb-3-2011, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, registration JA13KZ, selcal code FQ-EM, new (adapted) NCA livery, refurbished at Lackland AFB and KPAE, Acceptance date July 25 2012. Delivery flight (NCA696 - RJAA) date : Aug-01-2012. First operational flight NCA108 ( RJAA-KLAX) Aug-13-2012.

L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, Atlas Air #2 (NTU), white livery, KPAE flight line, new customer Saudi Arabian Cargo, HZ-AI4.

L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, no engines installed, low rate refurbishment, KPAE –stall 202, Scheduled Delivery in July 2013 ?

@ L/N 1434 - 747-8JK, RC001, serial number 38636, 747-8I test aircraft #1, destined for a BBJ customer (State of Kuwait), test registration N6067E, full red-orange Boeing Sunrise livery, selcal code CQ-AJ, Official first Intercontinental roll-out ceremony happened at February 13, F/F March 20th, -2011. Last test flight at 01-12-2012, after approx. 200 flights with short of 600 flight hours. Refurbishment to delivery standard at KPAE and re-painted in full “ State of Kuwait “ livery, registration 9K-GAA, First functional test flight October 21-2012, Acceptance /Delivery flight (KAC8043-CYVR-KMCI)date : November 03-2012.

L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1 (NTU), selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, D-ABYE( NTU), engines removed, KPAE Everett Modification Center, Will be used for additional flight testing (tail tank, GEnx-2B PIP, NGFMS updates). Scheduled LH delivery date was September-30-2012 , Aircraft is up for sale after finishing of the test flights in 2014.

@ L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, full livery, name : City of Luxembourg, registration LX-VCD, selcal code AJ-CM, F/F September-02 -2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX789-ELLX) date : October 13-2011.

L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, Atlas Air #3 (NTU), N770BA, white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, low rate refurbishment, KPAE flight line.

L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, full livery, no engines, registration B-LJD, low rate refurbishment, at KPAE - stall 118, Scheduled Delivery in April 2013 ?

@ L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight , test registration N5022E, registration A7-HHE, white livery, F/F Jan-30-2012, Acceptance date Feb-27-2012, Delivery flight (A7HHE-CYVR-KIAB) date Feb-28-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin has been installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas, Ferry flight to Hamburg at Aug- 29-2012, Cabin outfitting at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, Germany. Service entry in 2014.

@ L/N 1440 - 747-8Z5 , RC003, serial number 37500, BBJ customer Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (Presidential Flight Authority) , white livery, 747-8I test aircraft #3, test registration N5020K, future registration A6-PFA, selcal code MR-DQ , F/F June 30-2011, Acceptance date May-24-2012, Delivery flight (A6PFA-KIAB) date May-29-2012, stored during summer 2012 at Wichita, thereafter Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin was installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) . Ferry flight (A6PFA- KIAB-EDDH) December 22-2012. VIP Cabin outfitting by Lufthansa Technik, Hamburg.

@ L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , test registration N1785B, Cathay registration B-LJE, selcal code BF-CS, full livery, F/F Aug-13-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : October-31-2011

@ L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37561, Atlas Air #4 , full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSD, selcal code HL-ZQ, F/F October-21-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (GSS7478- EGSS) date : November-03-2011

@ L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #2, test registration N5016R, LH registration D-ABYA, full livery, name : Brandenburg, selcal code BR-DA, F/F Feb-08-2012, Acceptance date April-25-2012, Delivery flight (DLH748 – EDDF) date : May 01 2012. Post Delivery Maintenance by LH Technik (EDDF). Inaugural flight DLH416 (EDDF-KIAD ) date: June-01-2012.

@ L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37568, Atlas Air #5, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSE, selcal code HM-BQ, F/F November-17-2011, Acceptance date : December-05-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-19-2011.

@ L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37569, Atlas Air #6, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSF, selcal code DK-JQ, F/F December-0 5-2011, Acceptance date : December-15-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-27-2011

@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Crown Prince Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Saudi Arabian Government ), test registration N458BJ, future registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Acceptance date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Owner : Bank of Utah Trustee, Salt Lake City, Utah (Corporation). Stored at San Bernadino . The Future of this aircraft seems to be unsure, because the Prince passed away at October 22-2011. VIP outfitting contract with Jet Aviation (Basel) was cancelled. Ferried, again with call-sign N458BJ, to Lackland AFB TX at October 06-2012. Leased to a new customer or delivery to another member of the Saudi Royal Family ? Ferry flight (N458BJ- KSKF-LFSB) to Basel -Mulhouse at December 28-2012. (Cancelled Jet Aviation outfitting slot occupied by new customer ?)

@ L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243, Cathay #6 , registration B-LJF, full livery, FAL Roll out date November 2, selcal code DR-EJ, F/F December-01-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : December-12-2011.

@ L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, registration VQ-BLQ, selcal code FM-DS, full livery, the last assembled 747-8 aircraft in 2011, F/F December-21-2011, Acceptance date Jan-26-2012. Delivery flight (ABW5011- KORD) date : Feb-03-2012.

@ L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri flight, leased from Lewiston Investments, A7-HJA , selcal CE-JM, white livery, F/F March-31-2012, Acceptance and Delivery flight (A7HJA-CYVR-KIAB) date April -25-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation completed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES), Wichita, Kansas. Ferry flight to Basel-Mulhouse(LFSB) at November 09-2012. Cabin outfitting will be done by completion center AMAC at Basel, Switzerland, see : http://www.amacaerospace.com/news/news-2012-11-13.html

@ L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244, Cathay #7, future registration B-LJG, full livery, selcal code LM-AJ, F/F February-11-2012, Acceptance date Feb-25-2012, Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date Feb-27-2012.

@ L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, , Lufthansa #3, full livery, selcal code CR-DP, D-ABYC, named : Sachsen, F/F June-07-2012, Acceptance date June-30-2012, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date July-01-2012, PDM by LH Technik at EDDF. First operational Flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) July 25-2012.

@ L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, full livery, test reg. N1788B, registration VQ-BLR, selcal code DK-FS, F/F March-16-2012, Acceptance date : March-30-2012, Delivery flight (ABW4011-KORD) date : April 04-2012.

@ L/N 1453 - 747-830, RC024, serial number 37829, Lufthansa #4 , D-ABYD, named : Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, full livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 01-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date Aug-24-2012, Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM) by LH Technik, First operational flight DLH754 (EDDF-VOBL) September 13-2012.

@ L/N 1454 -747-8R7F, RC505, serial number 35810, Cargolux #5, full livery, name : City of Echternach, registration LX-VCE, selcal AM-JP, F/F May 05 -2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date May 24-2012.

@ L/N 1455 - 747-87UF, RC577, serial number 37570, Atlas Air #7, full Panalpina livery, name: Spirit of Panalpina, registration N850GT, selcal code CM-GJ, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F May-15-2012, Acceptance and delivery flight (GTI609-VHHH) date : May-31-2012.

@ L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYF, name : Sachsen-Anhalt, selcal code CM-BH, full livery, , F/F Sept-28-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date October-23-2012. Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM)by LH Technik (EDDF). First operational flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) November 09-2012.

@ L/N 1457 - 747-867F, RC558, serial number 39245, Cathay #8, full livery, test registration N6018N, registration B-LJH, F/F June -14-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3337- CYVR)date : July 13 2012.

@ L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #8, Full Panalpina livery, name : Passion for Solutions, registration N851GT, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F July 12-2012, Acceptance date July 24, Delivery flight (KHSV-GTI9037)date July 25-2012.

@ L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, BBJ customer : According some rumours (not confirmed) : Bahrain Royal Flight, test registration N455BJ, future registration A9C-???, white livery, F/F October 18-2012, Owner : Wells Fargo Bank Northwest NA Trustee Salt Lake City Utah , Acceptance/Delivery flight (N455BJ-CYVR-KAFW-KCNW) date : November 02-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco,TX.

@ L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, future registration B-LJI, full livery, KPAE Flight line, F/F Aug-20-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3335 - CYVR) date Aug-30-2012.

@ L/N 1461 - 747-8R7F, RC506, serial number 35811, Cargolux #6, registration LX-VCF, full livery, name : City of Grevenmacher, F/F Aug 30-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-ELLX )date Sept 12-2012.

@ L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37571, Atlas Air #9, registration N852GT, full Atlas livery, FAL roll-out Aug 07-2012, F/F September 14-2012, Acceptance date Sept-30-2012 /Delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date October- 02-2012

L/N1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , test registration N5511Y, N769BA, VQ-BRH, full livery, F/F Nov-14-2012, Ferried to Portland (KPDX) for painting at Dec. 02, return flight at December 13, expected acceptance/delivery flight date : TBD

@L/N1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serial number 39246, Cathay #10, registration B-LJJ, full livery, Roll-out date Sept. 5, F/F October 16-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date October 26-2012.

@L/N1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, full livery, name : City of Diekirch, registration LX-VCG, F/F October 16-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date : November 19-2012.

@ L/N 1466 - 747-8H0, RC007, serial number 39749, Royal Flight Oman, test registration N5511V, future registration A4O-HMS, selcal code FR-AD, white livery, FAL roll-out October 07-2012, F/F November-16-2012, KPAE flight line, Scheduled Acceptance date December 10-2012 . Delivery flight (A4OHMS- CYVR- KCNW) date : December 12-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco, TX, see : http://www2.l-3com.com/is/releases/P...eives-second-747-8-final-photo.pdf

@ L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #10, N853GT, selcal code DK-EL, Polar/DHL Express livery, KPAE flight line, F/F November 26 -2012, Acceptance/delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date : December 04-2012

@ L/N 1468 - 747-8ZV, RC008,serial number 42096, Lessor : Worldwide Aircraft Holding Company – Bermuda, Customer : Former Emir of Qatar (Sheikh Khalifa bin Hamad bin Abdullah bin Jassim bin Muhammed Al Thani), registration VQ-BSK (VQ-B = Bermuda / SK = Sheikh Khalifa), full livery, Roll-out November 08-2012, F/F December 13 2012, Acceptance date December 20-2012, Delivery flight (VQBSK-CYVR) date December 21-2012. Airplane is (probably ) located at Dallas Love Field to be outfitted by Associated Air Center. At the same location also an elevator system and an Aeroloft modification kit will be installed, expected total modification time 36 months.

L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, N772BA, registration JA14KZ, selcal code KQ-PR, unpainted with NCA livery rudders, Roll-out November 26-2012, F/F Jan-08-2013, KPAE flight line. Is scheduled in February 2013 to be send to Marana AZ (storage ?).

L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYG, full livery , KPAE flight line, F/F Jan 23, 2013, scheduled delivery Feb. 2013

L/N 1471 - 747-87UF, RC581, Atlas Air #11, serial number 37566, N854GT, full Atlas Air livery, KPAE Flight line.

L/N 1472 - 747-830, RC027, serial number 37832, Lufthansa #7, D-ABYH, unpainted with dark blue rudders , KPAE flight line, scheduled delivery* Feb 28 2013,

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At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL) at Everett Building 40-22
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L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH, slant position #1.
L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, serial number 37654, KAL#3, HL7617, slant position #2.
L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYI, scheduled delivery*April 30 2013, body join position.
L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, serial number 37567, Atlas Air #12, N855GT, wing join position.


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Firing order : 17 Airframes , scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).
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L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYJ, scheduled delivery* June 30 2013
L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, serial number 35822, Cargolux #9, registration LX-VCI
L/N 1479 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, registration JA15KZ
L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #10, D-ABYK, scheduled delivery* July 31 2013
L/N 1481 - 747-8B5F, RC548, serial number 37655***, N774BA, KAL #4
L/N 1482 - 747-8HVF, RC605, serial number 37670, Air Bridge Cargo( ABC) #5
L/N 1483 - 747-867F, RC561 (former RC631), serial number 43394?, Cathay Pacific #11, (leased Air China Cargo?)
L/N 1484 - 747-867F, RC562 (former RC632), Cathay Pacific #12 (leased Air China Cargo?)
L/N 1485 - 747-8KZF, RC526, NCA #6, registration JA16KZ
L/N 1486 - 747-867F, RC563 (former RC633), Cathay Pacific #13 (leased Air China Cargo?)
L/N 1487 - 747-8KZF, RC527, NCA #7, N773BA?, registration JA17KZ, nominal roll-out date August 22-2013.
L/N 1488 - 747-8B5F, RC549, serial number 37656***, N775BA, KAL #5
L/N 1489 - 747-8KZF, RC528, NCA #8
L/N 1490 - 747-8R7F, RC510, Cargolux #10
L/N 1491 - 747-8R7F, RC511, Cargolux #11
L/N 1492 – 747-830, RC031, Lufthansa #11
L/N 1493 until/incl. L/N 1498 not yet allocated
L/N 1499 - 747-89L, RC066, Air China, Boeing internal code “BEJ”

? = Not confirmed
*= Only one (1) source : http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa
**= Boeing Customer code not known.
***= extrapolation.
I will try to publish the following updates on the first of each month to stay synchronized with the monthly Boeing delivery publications.
Please feel free to add updates, corrections and remarks by replies in this thread (or by PM).
Cheers, Peter.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 37, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 34992 times:

Quote:
L/N 1492 – 747-830, RC031, Lufthansa #11

This must be the first production frame with the new upgrades.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 38, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 34667 times:

Wx permitting looks like Atlas RC581 (1471) is planning for a B-1 today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE581


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 39, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 34423 times:

Volga Dnepr lost $38 million last year and is in talk with Boeing to delay the delivery of RC604 and RC605. They are also not that happy with the 748F range:

"Last year Tatyana Arslanova, executive president of ABC, admitted that the 747-8Fs weren’t suitable for the airline’s trans-polar flights as they didn’t have the payload or range. He also said the company was struggling with overcapacity and that he was in discussions with Boeing to postpone the delivery of two 747-8 freighters."

"Rumours from Seattle, however, suggest that one recently delivered aircraft has been parked in the desert and a second is to follow shortly. The aircraft are expected to join the fleet once two of Air Cargo Germany’s freighters are returned to the lessor later this year."

http://theloadstar.co.uk/job-cuts-on...ds-as-losses-mount-at-volga-dnepr/



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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 40, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 34265 times:

The 747-8 program passed the 100.000 flight hours mark at Jan 27-2013.
The 747-8 fleet is currently made up of 32 airplanes (28 Freighters and 4 Intercontinentals).

See : http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archive...00000_reasons_to_celebrate_th.html



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 33834 times:

RC604 is on its way to MZJ:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130204/1800Z/KPAE/KMZJ

Looks like the above article was right, she's going into storage.



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User currently offlinemilestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 33786 times:

So I have a real novice question so please don't jump all over me if it is obvious to you pros: What is the point of storing a brand new plane that is more efficient than others in your fleet? Why wouldn't ABC and NCA store an older 747-400F of theirs and use the 747-8F? Thanks.

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Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 33666 times:

Quoting milestones787 (Reply 42):

So I have a real novice question so please don't jump all over me if it is obvious to you pros: What is the point of storing a brand new plane that is more efficient than others in your fleet? Why wouldn't ABC and NCA store an older 747-400F of theirs and use the 747-8F? Thanks.

Sounds odd indeed but it probably has to do with payment on delivery and overcapacity. They want to save the money for some time.


User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1274 posts, RR: 8
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 33637 times:

Quoting milestones787 (Reply 42):
So I have a real novice question so please don't jump all over me if it is obvious to you pros: What is the point of storing a brand new plane that is more efficient than others in your fleet? Why wouldn't ABC and NCA store an older 747-400F of theirs and use the 747-8F? Thanks.

For a little more background information about AirBridge's 747-8F strategy and the things that are going on there at the moment as they relate to the fleet and to 747-8Fs more generally... click here.


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 33458 times:

Quoting na (Reply 43):
Sounds odd indeed but it probably has to do with payment on delivery and overcapacity. They want to save the money for some time.
Quoting Cargolex (Reply 44):
For a little more background information about AirBridge's 747-8F strategy and the things that are going on there at the moment as they relate to the fleet and to 747-8Fs more generally... click here.

Boeing flew the freighter that has been waiting at Everett (37669) to storage at Marana in the Arizona desert -- it appears that Volga-Dnepr has successfully negotiated a deferral of delivery.

As already mentioned in the latest provisional fleet listing (Feb. 1) serial number 37669 was re -registered as N769BA at Jan. 22 , with owner Boeing, so ABC (Volga Dnepr) can delay (part of) the payment.
See : http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=769BA

The same will happen to NCA's RC524, the airline has already re-scheduled the introduction of this aircraft in an earlier stage, see "Phoenix rising "business plan : http://www.nca.aero/e/profile/plan/documents/PRP_E.pdf and will also delay the payment.
This aircraft is also re-registered at Jan 22 :
See : http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=772BA



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 46, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 33178 times:

RC571 flight to Portland (for painting) popped up on Flightaware. Can't wait to see the Saudi Arabian livery on this one.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130205/2000Z/KPAE/KPDX



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 47, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 33036 times:

Looks like Atlas RC581 (1471) finally got off on its B-1 today but didn't make it to KMWH as originally planned.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE581


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 48, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 33042 times:

RC581 already flew on February 2, pictures at http://kpae.blogspot.nl/2013/02/paine-fiedl-february-2.html


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 49, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 32999 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 48):
RC581 already flew on February 2, pictures at http://kpae.blogspot.nl/2013/02/pain....html

That's what I had thought and I had seen other pictures but they either are on another topic or were removed. Plus FlightAware had no flight plan listed after the first one was removed for either KPAE or KMWH which seemed a bit odd. I'm guessing it just did an up and down either due to an issue (which would have generated a flight plan) or if it was too late in the afternoon to get the full profile in a VFR once around the pattern flight (which wouldn't have generated a flight plan) so that adverse wx wouldn't affect a flight on a subsequent day. Matt, any comments??

I'll call it a B-1 profile on a B-2 today or if it did fly a full profile on the 2nd a C-1.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 50, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 32684 times:

Quote:
RC524 JA14KZ starting engines for an EWA flight

What is an EWA flight and why is it going to take 8 hours? Sounds like Boeing is doing some extensive testing?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130206/1700Z/KPAE/KPAE

Flying circles for the next 8 hours?




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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 51, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 32647 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 50):
What is an EWA flight

EWA flight = engineering work authorisation flight.

Flight test beyond the production check out, sometimes for a new feature or an extra airline requested feature or an IFE upgrade, new cabin configuration, etc.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 52, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 32552 times:

Thanks for the explanation.

RC524 is now in paint (http://paineairport.com/kpae5951.htm). A little bit odd to paint the frame if it is going into storage?



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3576 posts, RR: 27
Reply 53, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 32338 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 52):
A little bit odd to paint the frame if it is going into storage?

actually it's preferred .. temp coating are water soluble, and a nice new coat of paint seals up all the little crevices and gaps. OK some might say it's bad advertising to see it in storage, but other than A.neters and fellow travelers, not may are looking.


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Reply 54, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 32291 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 53):
actually it's preferred .. temp coating are water soluble, and a nice new coat of paint seals up all the little crevices and gaps. OK some might say it's bad advertising to see it in storage, but other than A.neters and fellow travelers, not may are looking.

Painting can mean either plain white, basic livery without titles and logo, or full livery. If I´d be the client and would plan to take the plane in, lets say 9 months time, I´d prefer it to be all white until then.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7654 posts, RR: 18
Reply 55, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 32248 times:

Looks like lots of activity at PAE today.

http://i47.tinypic.com/14nfsyx.jpg

What kind of profile is this?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 56, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 32221 times:

It's the same flight pattern as yesterday.



[Edited 2013-02-07 12:36:37]


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 57, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32182 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 51):
Flight test beyond the production check out, sometimes for a new feature or an extra airline requested feature or an IFE upgrade, new cabin configuration, etc.

Although the specific items mentioned would be what you'd expect to see on an airplane doing one or two EWA flights, in this case with the multiple flights and the altitudes/airspeeds they are working, I'm guessing it has more to do with an upgrade to the flight control software or something similar--possibly in preparation for the tail fuel certification on the DLH airplane. Since this airplane was headed into storage Boeing contracted with ANA to use it for test flights unrelated to any ANA requirements.


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Reply 58, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32210 times:
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The 747-8F does not have a tail tank, so this plane would not be working on that. The frame LH cancelled will be used (in part) to test that functionality.

It could, however, be testing in support of the FMC 3.0 upgrade, which is scheduled for introduction later this year.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 59, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32177 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 49):
That's what I had thought and I had seen other pictures but they either are on another topic or were removed. Plus FlightAware had no flight plan listed after the first one was removed for either KPAE or KMWH which seemed a bit odd. I'm guessing it just did an up and down either due to an issue (which would have generated a flight plan) or if it was too late in the afternoon to get the full profile in a VFR once around the pattern flight (which wouldn't have generated a flight plan) so that adverse wx wouldn't affect a flight on a subsequent day. Matt, any comments??

There was indeed something wrong, RC581 first flight lasted only 15 minutes.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/297928450214346752



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 60, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32159 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 58):
The 747-8F does not have a tail tank, so this plane would not be working on that. The frame LH cancelled will be used (in part) to test that functionality.

It could, however, be testing in support of the FMC 3.0 upgrade, which is scheduled for introduction later this year.

I know freighters don't have the tail tank but if the flight control software is being modified to incorporate that change and they want to use the same software on both the -8i and the -8F they have an available frame to do that on.

It could be the FMC upgrade but I though that was mainly for VNAV and the profiles they have flown so far have none of the traditional ups and downs related to that kind of testing.


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Reply 61, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 32082 times:

Update :

A new delivery date for RC026 / D-ABYG has been scheduled : March 8.
The aircraft is presently back in the factory for "hard landing rework."

RC571 / HZ-AI3 for Saudi Arabian Cargo, now at Portland for painting, is scheduled for delivery at March 21.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 62, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 32001 times:

RC572 has its engines attached.


(photo uploaded by moonm http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8455350484/)

[Edited 2013-02-08 00:44:00]


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 63, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 31849 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 61):
A new delivery date for RC026 / D-ABYG has been scheduled : March 8.
The aircraft is presently back in the factory for "hard landing rework."

That's something that doesn't happen every day--probably not in the last 25-30 years either.


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Reply 64, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 31810 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 63):

Quoting 747classic (Reply 61):
A new delivery date for RC026 / D-ABYG has been scheduled : March 8.
The aircraft is presently back in the factory for "hard landing rework."

That's something that doesn't happen every day--probably not in the last 25-30 years either.

Did they damage the plane in a hard landing or what?


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 65, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 31810 times:

[quote=na,reply=64]Did they damage the plane in a hard landing or what?[/quote

I am not aware of the cause, only that the aircraft returned from the flight line to the factory for "hard landing rework".
Probably some issues was found during a (hard landing) inspection at the flight line.

The last flight (KPAE-KMWH-KPAE) of RC026 was operated at Feb 1 and recorded a little bit abnormal by Flightaware, but probably this only a FlightAware hickup : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE26

[Edited 2013-02-08 08:45:16]


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Reply 66, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 31546 times:

The next 747-8F emerged from the Final Assembly Line.
L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH, unpainted with white rudders, KPAE flight line, Feb 08 -2013


Screenshot from Matt Cawby's Fligh Line picture of Feb. 8 2013, see : http://paineairport.com/images/fl020813.jpg



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 67, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 31318 times:

RC524 is back in the air on another 8-hour test flight (3rd time).

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130209/1730Z/KPAE/KPAE

That's a lot of test flying for a frame going into storage.

[Edited 2013-02-09 10:43:52]


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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 68, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 30939 times:

A 747-8F aft upper deck panel, manufactured by Triumph Aerostructures (former Vought aircraft Industries) in Texas, arrived at Paine Field by Volga-Dnepr AN-124 RA-82079 , see Matt Cawby's KPAE blog :
http://paineairport.com/kpae5983.htm

Normally these fuselage panels arrive by train, so this must be a "special delivery" to avoid slowing down the production pace..

Seen the present occupation of the FAL :

L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, serial number 37654, KAL#3, HL7617, slant position #1.
L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYI, slant position #2.
L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, serial number 37567, Atlas Air #12, N855GT, final body join position.
L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYJ, wing join position.

This "special delivery "panel could be used for :

L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, serial number 35822, Cargolux #9, registration LX-VCI, FWD fuselage assembly.

[Edited 2013-02-12 07:12:29]


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 69, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 30839 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 68):
A 747-8F aft upper deck panel, manufactured by Triumph Aerostructures (former Vought aircraft Industries) in Texas, arrived at Paine Field by Volga-Dnepr AN-124 RA-82079 , see Matt Cawby's KPAE blog :
http://paineairport.com/kpae5983.htm

Normally these fuselage panels arrive by train, so this must be a "special delivery" to avoid slowing down the production pace..

or?

Quoting na (Reply 64):
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 63):
Quoting 747classic (Reply 61):
A new delivery date for RC026 / D-ABYG has been scheduled : March 8.
The aircraft is presently back in the factory for "hard landing rework."

That's something that doesn't happen every day--probably not in the last 25-30 years either.

Did they damage the plane in a hard landing or what?


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Reply 70, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 30872 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 69):

No, as 747Classic reports a freighter-panel, D-ABYG is a pax-plane.


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 71, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 30764 times:


Original uploaded by Moonm, see for other sizes : http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8465987855/in/photostream

The upper deck fuselage panel can be identified as a 747-8 freighter panel by the 3 installed windows at each side.
At the Vought production sheet below, see the upper picture, just after the (white) cockpit, produced by Spirit AeroSystems, Wichita.

Vought supplied fuselage panels for the 747-8F and -I


[Edited 2013-02-12 10:28:07]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 72, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 30687 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 68):
Normally these fuselage panels arrive by train, so this must be a "special delivery" to avoid slowing down the production pace..

What do you mean with slowing down? Is there a problem with the trains?



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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 73, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 30626 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 73):
What do you mean with slowing down? Is there a problem with the trains?

- Each panel has to be on the right place at the right time to avoid slowing down the final assembly line.

- The production (Hawthorn or Grand Prairie ,Texas) could have been delayed. To catch up with assembly the panel has been moved to Everett by plane to gain some extra days. (train transport Texas-Everett takes several days)

- The relevant panel could have been found damaged before final assembly and a new fuselage frame had to be delivered ASAP.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 74, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 30316 times:

Very clear, thank you.

In other news, Boeing warns about unclaimed 747-8 production slots.



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 607 posts, RR: 8
Reply 75, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 30032 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 74):
In other news, Boeing warns about unclaimed 747-8 production slots.

And now we know why Boeing didn't deliver any 747s in January. Two are on the schedule for February, but they are late in the month, and could easily slide into March. And RC524 is going straight into storage after it gets its ticket.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 76, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 30003 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 75):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 74):In other news, Boeing warns about unclaimed 747-8 production slots.
Quoting Laddie (Reply 75):
And now we know why Boeing didn't deliver any 747s in January. Two are on the schedule for February, but they are late in the month, and could easily slide into March. And RC524 is going straight into storage after it gets its ticket.

They didn't deliver any in January because all the airplanes that flew in December, delivered in December. Both B-1's scheduled for January flew and would have delivered except ANA doesn't want theirs yet so it's being used for flight test and DLH was damaged. The lack of deliveries in January is not due to unclaimed slots--that's next year if it happens.


User currently offlineanfromme From Ireland, joined Feb 2012, 453 posts, RR: 11
Reply 77, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 30081 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 76):
They didn't deliver any in January because all the airplanes that flew in December, delivered in December. Both B-1's scheduled for January flew and would have delivered except ANA doesn't want theirs yet so it's being used for flight test and DLH was damaged. The lack of deliveries in January is not due to unclaimed slots--that's next year if it happens.

It's true that a lack of deliveries in January isn't due to open production slots leading to lower output or whitetails stacking up on Boeing's tarmac. However, you could argue that both are at least partly symptoms of the same underlying issue. That issue being a lack of demand.

I find the following bit from Boeing's SEC filing interesting:

Quote:
If we are unable to obtain orders for multiple Freighter aircraft in 2013 consistent with our near-term production plans, we may be required to take actions including reducing the number of airplanes produced and/or building airplanes for which we have not received firm orders

Note how they don't say "obtain orders for multiple 747-8 aircraft", or "for multiple Freighter and/or Passenger aircraft" or something more generic like that. They only refer to Freighters in a case where a Pax jet will keep the line just as busy as a Freighter will.
Given this is an SEC filing (as opposed to marketing blurb), is this a case of setting expectations with shareholders that we're unlikely to see any 747-8i orders in 2013?

I also find the filing interesting because it is a quantification of the much-claimed slot availability advantage the 747-8i has over the A380.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31062 posts, RR: 87
Reply 78, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 30022 times:
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Quoting anfromme (Reply 77):
Given this is an SEC filing (as opposed to marketing blurb), is this a case of setting expectations with shareholders that we're unlikely to see any 747-8i orders in 2013?

Another possible explanation is that Boeing's suppliers are weighted towards building 747-8F shipsets and that is where the need is for orders to allow those suppliers to continue producing at whatever current rate they are.


User currently offlineanfromme From Ireland, joined Feb 2012, 453 posts, RR: 11
Reply 79, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 29987 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 78):
Another possible explanation is that Boeing's suppliers are weighted towards building 747-8F shipsets and that is where the need is for orders to allow those suppliers to continue producing at whatever current rate they are.

If this was a filing from a Boeing supplier I would probably agree, but this is from Boeing themselves.
For Boeing it should not matter whether they fill their slots with 747-8i or -8F. For Boeing it would be, and I would expect Boeing to have guarantees from and agreements with suppliers that will allow them to balance production rates between pax and cargo planes easily enough depending on demand.

Come to think of it, another explanation for Boeing's choice of the word "Freighter" in the filing may be that the lead-times for producing a 747-8i are longer than the lead-times for freighters (which have significantly fewer and less complex options compared to pax planes). I.e. it's possible that any pax orders this year would not really help Boeing to fill slots in 2014.
Then again, I would surely hope that if slots are not an object it's possible to spec and start building a 747-8i that's ordered today before the end of 2014.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31062 posts, RR: 87
Reply 80, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 29899 times:
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Quoting anfromme (Reply 79):
If this was a filing from a Boeing supplier I would probably agree, but this is from Boeing themselves.

Since Boeing has not yet decided on a production rate reductions, the subs would still be building to whatever rate they currently are at until told otherwise by Boeing. Should Boeing pull back, then the subs will subsequently report they are doing the same in their SEC filings.



Quoting anfromme (Reply 79):
Come to think of it, another explanation for Boeing's choice of the word "Freighter" in the filing may be that the lead-times for producing a 747-8i are longer than the lead-times for freighters (which have significantly fewer and less complex options compared to pax planes). I.e. it's possible that any pax orders this year would not really help Boeing to fill slots in 2014.

Items like customer cabins and such probably do have longer lead times, especially with customer engineering needed to be performed in support of the configuration for a new customer.



Quoting anfromme (Reply 79):
Then again, I would surely hope that if slots are not an object it's possible to spec and start building a 747-8i that's ordered today before the end of 2014.

They do have BBJ slots available, so they should be able to at least produce the basic Intercontinental airframe. However, said airframe might be sitting around for awhile until the interior is ready for installation and that would raise the price for the customer (storage fees at PAE and capital being tied up longer).


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 81, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 29917 times:

Cargolux is in talks with Boeing to delay its 747-8Fs, now we know why the delivery of RC501 has slipped.

Full article: http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...golux-talks-delay-its-747-8fs-0212

Speaking about RC501, she's scheduled for another test flight today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130213/2000Z/KPAE/KMWH

Will this be the third one going into storage?



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 29898 times:

Boeing has a bad start to 2013 for sure. I bet many here cheer though.

The global economy is heading into the toilet. I expect the NEO/MAX backlogs to be inflated too.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31062 posts, RR: 87
Reply 83, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 29824 times:
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Quoting sweair (Reply 82):
Boeing has a bad start to 2013 for sure.

At this date in 2012, they had 150 firm orders, so the 145 they have at the moment in 2013 is not too bad. That being said, they would need a 230 frame order in the next week to maintain the same pace they did last year.  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 84, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 29721 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 81):
Speaking about RC501, she's scheduled for another test flight today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../KMWH

RC501 is now in the air. According Matt Camby this one is a customer (C1) flight.



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User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2485 posts, RR: 12
Reply 85, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 29693 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 83):
they would need a 230 frame order in the next week to maintain the same pace they did last year

  

Still, 145 in less than two months is very good, in any book.

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User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 86, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 29344 times:

Any indication of when Korean Airlines is set to accept delivery of their first 747-8i ?


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 87, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 29305 times:

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Reply 86):

Any indication of when Korean Airlines is set to accept delivery of their first 747-8i ?

I dont know, but should be sometime next year, line-no. around 1500.


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 88, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 29115 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 74):
In other news, Boeing warns about unclaimed 747-8 production slots.

Two more 2014 production slots have been allocated :

L/N 1493 - 747-8xxF, RC641, GECAS ?
L/N 1494 - 747-830, RC032, serial number 37837, D-ABYM, Lufthansa #12



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 607 posts, RR: 8
Reply 89, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 28934 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 81):
Will this be the third one going into storage?

Not RC501. RC524 is going into storage immediately after delivery.

RC581 is the only 747-8 delivery I am aware of in February.

Deliveries scheduled for March:
RC571
RC026
RC027
RC547

If this schedule holds, then it will be a busy March at the Everett Delivery Center. Does anyone know if the new EDC will be open for business by then?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 90, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 28904 times:

So when will Cargolux take delivery of RC501? April?


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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 91, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 28785 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 76):
Both B-1's scheduled for January flew and would have delivered except ANA doesn't want theirs yet

Shouldn't it be NCA not ANA.
Maybe ANA is looking at the 748i.
NCA ordered the 748F when the cargo business was good. Now, its so-so. The Japanese economy is still staying flat. Plus NCA's 744F aren't that old either, all less than 10 years old but some have heavy maintenance due so that's probably the reason they accepted a couple 748Fs.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7654 posts, RR: 18
Reply 92, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 28774 times:

When are the next KZ deliveries? I arrive in Tokyo on March 21 and I'm hoping to catch some 748F action 
Quoting carpethead (Reply 91):
Maybe ANA is looking at the 748i.

I sure hope so but I highly doubt it.



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User currently offlinepdxswa From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 28702 times:
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Here is RC 572 arriving at PDX hard to believe it sat around for almost 2 years before it finally got into the air !

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Boeing-747-87UF-SCD/2227367/L/


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 94, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 28671 times:

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 93):
Here is RC 572 arriving at PDX

Typo, AFAIK RC571 is presently at PDX ?



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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 95, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 28657 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 92):
When are the next KZ deliveries? I arrive in Tokyo on March 21 and I'm hoping to catch some 748F action

Only two delivered: JA12KZ & JA13KZ.
If JA14KZ is being stored, JA15KZ is next and roll-out should be June/July but only those at NCA know if it is to be delivered immediately.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5759 posts, RR: 4
Reply 96, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 28541 times:

Has sultan of Brunei ordered a 748?

User currently offlinepdxswa From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 28449 times:
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747 classic I stand corrected it should be RC571 we all make mistakes !!!

User currently offlinehannahpa From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 28063 times:
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I remember that the 748 will get engine PIPs on the GenX-2B. What exactly entails the PIP? Better fuel economy? Lower fuel burn? More power?

I also seem to remember that the PIPs won't be implemented until 2014. Why the wait? What takes so long? Will LH just swap out the engines, or will they do the mods on the existing engines?

Thanks in advance for the info...


User currently offlineSCAT15F From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 27931 times:

Quoting hannahpa (Reply 98):
I also seem to remember that the PIPs won't be implemented until 2014. Why the wait? What takes so long?

That's exactly what I would like to know, given the fact that the 748's performance shortfall was completely due to the engines. (Even with the higher OEW, the 748 would have exceeded spec by 1% if the engines had been on spec)

Why is it that the A380's engines performed better than spec and the 748's were below spec?

Or to put it another way, why did the Trent 900 and EA GP7000 exceed specification slightly while the Trent 1000 and GEnx fall short by more than 3%? A380 favoritism?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 100, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 27837 times:

Quoting hannahpa (Reply 98):
I also seem to remember that the PIPs won't be implemented until 2014. Why the wait? What takes so long? Will LH just swap out the engines, or will they do the mods on the existing engines?

Because the update is not ready yet, RR have to build and test it first. I believe the certification is on track for this summer.



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 607 posts, RR: 8
Reply 101, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27619 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 94):
AFAIK RC571 is presently at PDX ?

Yes, RC571 is presently at PDX.

RC572 is parked on the KPAE ramp, three slots north of the new Delivery Center.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31062 posts, RR: 87
Reply 102, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 27787 times:
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Quoting SCAT15F (Reply 99):
Or to put it another way, why did the Trent 900 and EA GP7000 exceed specification slightly while the Trent 1000 and GEnx fall short by more than 3%?

I'd hazard part of the reason is that the architecture of the Trent 1000 and GEnx is different due to the lack of bleed-air systems and the additional electrical power generation systems. They're also a generation newer than the Trent 900 and GP7200 in areas and Rolls and GE might have pushed the envelope too far. GE, for example, was far too aggressive in removing blades in the LPT stage of the GEnx and had to add 20% of them back. And Rolls had to improve cooling for the IPT and the aerodynamics for the LPT.

[Edited 2013-02-18 08:04:02]

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12593 posts, RR: 25
Reply 103, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 27688 times:

Quoting hannahpa (Reply 98):
I remember that the 748 will get engine PIPs on the GenX-2B. What exactly entails the PIP?
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...g-hard-meet-genx-fuel-burn-targets says:

Quote:

Improvements featured in the -2B’s PIP will, in many ways, replicate those in the -1B, including similar modifications to the low-pressure turbine, some adjustments in the compressor materials and 3-D aeromechanics and changes to the combustors and the high-pressure turbine. “We did not modify the booster because it doesn’t need additional thrust, and the fan is the same,” said Fitzgerald.

The rest of the article goes through these things in more detail.

Quoting SCAT15F (Reply 99):
Or to put it another way, why did the Trent 900 and EA GP7000 exceed specification slightly while the Trent 1000 and GEnx fall short by more than 3%? A380 favoritism?

Kind of doubtful. Both engine makers on both planes would have wanted to beat their competitors.



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User currently offlineSCAT15F From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 27633 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 102):

That makes sense. It will be interesting to see how the Trent XWB fuel burn figures turn out.


User currently offlineCapt747ret From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 33 posts, RR: 1
Reply 105, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 27499 times:

With B having open freighter slots in 2014 I would venture a strong guess that Fed Ex will pick them up. They are always looking for a good deal and they have done this in the past with B.

Fed Ex bought the last 15 727’s and they are buying what may well be the last commercial 767’s. You can bet your last buck that they got one H*** of a good deal.

There is the possibility that another carrier could step in like UPS which is a current 747 operator. Fed Ex was a past operator when they bought Flying Tigers. They sold them because they said that 4 engine A/c are less reliable than 2 and 3 engine A/C.

Later they ordered the 380F. This was undoubtedly another good deal to get the variant going.

The time is ripe to buy and the air freight market will turn.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12593 posts, RR: 25
Reply 106, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 27309 times:

Quoting Capt747ret (Reply 105):
With B having open freighter slots in 2014 I would venture a strong guess that Fed Ex will pick them up. They are always looking for a good deal and they have done this in the past with B.

Always, except they didn't take any 757s from Boeing when they were trying to keep the line going a bit longer, and now are taking on the world's cast off 757s...

I doubt you will see them take on new build 748s. The 777F suits them better and there's no uptick in market that makes them want/need the 748.



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3952 posts, RR: 18
Reply 107, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 27047 times:

What's the deal with RC571? Usually when one goes down they bring one back, so the 747 should've come back when the Thai B77W went there the other day, but didn't.. Isn't there only 1 paint hangar at PDX for the Boeing jobs?

User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 607 posts, RR: 8
Reply 108, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 26834 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 107):
What's the deal with RC571?

I think RC571 was at KPDX a little longer than originally planned from some rudder refurb.

She should return to KPAE this week.


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 109, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 26728 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 108):
RC571 was at KPDX a little longer than originally planned from some rudder refurb.

Normally new(747) aircraft are delivered to the paint shop with the rudders already painted and balanced.

In this case : Are the rudders removed, stripped from the old paint layers, painted again in the new livery, balanced and re-installed again ?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 110, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 26489 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 90):
So when will Cargolux take delivery of RC501? April?

Boeing moved RC501 to the tower apron. It looks like she's not going anywhere soon.

http://paineairport.com/kpae6017.htm



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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 111, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 26429 times:

The next 747-8, a freighter for Korean emerged at the flight line.

See Matt Cawby's KPAE blog : http://paineairport.com/kpae6020.htm

Aircraft data : L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, serial number 37654, KAL#3, HL7617, unpainted with both rudders painted in KAL livery, KPAE flight line.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

No 747-8 deliveries are scheduled for February.

RC581 has been rescheduled to "no later than 20 March" by the customer.

Six airplanes are now scheduled to be delivered in March. But, as usual, everything is subject to change.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 112, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 26166 times:

A flight plan for RC571 popped up on Flightaware:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130221/2230Z/KPDX/KPAE



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 607 posts, RR: 8
Reply 113, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 26122 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 109):
Are the rudders removed, stripped from the old paint layers, painted again in the new livery, balanced and re-installed again ?

That must be what happened.


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 114, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 25997 times:

The first picture of RC571 / HZ-AI3 in full Saudia Cargo Livery, Portland (KPDX), Feb. 21.


Original uploaded by Russel Hill (Sabian404), see for other sizes : http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/8497005096/



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3952 posts, RR: 18
Reply 115, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 25978 times:

Better angle here, courtesy 'planephotoman' :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/planephotoman/8496100035/in/photostream


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 116, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25830 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 114):
Quoting RobK (Reply 115):

What a beautiful plane. The Saudi livery suits the 748 very well. Note that its a modified livery, with Saudia titles and a less attractive tail logo, and logos on engines now.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 117, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 25395 times:

Matt tweeted:

Quote:
Atlas Air N854GT moved off fliteline to storage area last night

I'm not sure what this means but Boeing might need the flightline space for the 787's coming of the assembly line.

Quoting 747classic (Reply 66):
The next 747-8F emerged from the Final Assembly Line.

L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH, unpainted with white rudders, KPAE flight line, Feb 08 -2013

Screenshot from Matt Cawby's Fligh Line picture of Feb. 8 2013, see : http://paineairport.com/images/fl020...3.jpg

RC508 is now in paint.

http://oi48.tinypic.com/t82otx.jpg
(see http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8499804544/sizes/o/)



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3952 posts, RR: 18
Reply 118, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 25320 times:

There's been a whole bunch of N-numbers recently assigned for B748Fs, both for current ones on the ramp and also new ones coming down the line. I think it's safe to say that the air cargo market is on its arse and they're all going to be heading to MZJ or MHV after testing.  

User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 25114 times:

Are we in the same situation that the 757 was in 2002? A temporary slowdown that might kill another program? It took many years for airlines to figure out a replacement was not in the cards, US airways whined about it and sure a few others, the very same airlines that turned down offers in 2002...

A few years with no new orders is all that it takes to kill a program. Tooling gets destroyed and the rest is history. Then B will try a half arsed way to make a replacement.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 120, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 24972 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 119):
Are we in the same situation that the 757 was in 2002? A temporary slowdown that might kill another program?

As the 748F is without competition that wont happen, be sure. Currently the majority of classic 747 freighter planes are being retired. When the market rebounds there will be new planes needed, and even if that happens not as fast as hoped, older planes need to re replaced.
Also note there are no new 777F orders as well.


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 121, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 24898 times:

Again two more 747-8 fuselage panels were flown in from Fort Worth, Texas by an An-124 Cargo plane, see Matt Cawby's KPAE blog :
http://paineairport.com/kpae6032.htm (this panel is identified as a 747-8F upper deck panel.)
and:
http://paineairport.com/kpae6033.htm


Seen the earlier air transport of an identical 747-8F fwd fuselage upper deck panel at Feb11 (see reply 68 in this thread) :

What causes these off-standard (expensive ) transport flights ?

- Is there a production issue at the Triumph Aerostructures (former Vought aircraft Industries) production plant ?

- Or is there a problem with the rail transport ?

- Or are several fuselage panels rejected at final assembly (Quality control) ?



Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 122, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 24860 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 121):
- Or are several fuselage panels rejected at final assembly (Quality control) ?

On the paineairport-site its mentioned the original panel was dropped and damaged.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31062 posts, RR: 87
Reply 123, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 24798 times:
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Quoting RobK (Reply 118):
There's been a whole bunch of N-numbers recently assigned for B748Fs, both for current ones on the ramp and also new ones coming down the line.

Probably explains why Boeing is looking for more 747-8F orders for this year - they can't deliver much of their current production and they don't want to be forced to build white-tails.


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 124, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 24754 times:

Quoting na (Reply 122):
On the paineairport-site its mentioned the original panel was dropped and damaged.

Thanks,
I wasn't aware that the original panel was dropped and damaged, this info must have been added later at the KPAE blog page of Feb 11.

The second flight (Jan 23) must have transported an additional produced fwd upper deck panel for the next 747-8F in line (L/N1479), because the original panel earmarked for L/N1479 was already used for L/N1478.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 125, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 24329 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 114):
The first picture of RC571 / HZ-AI3 in full Saudia Cargo Livery, Portland (KPDX), Feb. 21.

Another nice angle of RC571: http://paineairport.com/kpae6053.htm



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User currently offlineSCAT15F From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 24162 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 125):

That is a sweet shot! Catches the best angle of the short-hump.


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 127, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 24015 times:

Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (March 01 - 2013)
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Updates from previous listing (Feb. 01 - 2013) :

- Firing Order , Added : L/N 1493-RC641 (Operator Identification code 645, GECAS?), L/N 1494-RC032 (DLH)
- Firing Order , Changed : Nil
- Delivered : Nil
- Emerged from Final Assembly Line : L/ N 1473 - RC508, L/N 1474 - RC547.
- Newly assigned registration : RC605 - VQ-BRJ
- L/N 1463 - RC604 stored at KMZJ with Boeing registration N769BA, see :
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=769BA

It seems that more 747-8 freighter aircraft will be stored after assembly due the present soft cargo market. Several (cargo) airlines renegotiated later delivery dates. These aircraft are re-registered N7xxBA, with listed owner : Boeing :

-N770BA, serial number 37564, L/N 1437, RC573, NTU, no new customer yet, see : http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=770BA
-N772BA, serial number 37394, L/N 1469, RC524, NCA, see :
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=772BA
-N783BA, serial number 36141, L/N 1485? , RC526? NCA, see : http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=783BA
-N774BA, serial number 37655, L/N 1481, RC548, KAL, see :
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=774BA
-N775BA, serial number 37656, L/N 1488, RC549, KAL is however again deregistered, see :
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=775BA

See for more background info : http://cargofacts.net/profiles/blogs...es-reflect-the-decline-in-demand-f

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55 Completed airframes , Delivered 40 (marked : @ ), Delivered 2011 (9), 2012 (31), 2013 (NIL)
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L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, F/F Feb-08-2010, test aircraft #1, light Boeing livery, test registration N747EX, selcal code CK-EQ, During flight testing recorded 870 hours in 354 flights, Ferried June-08-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Sept-29-2012. Returned to KPAE at October-02-2012 with test registration N5020K, ferried to KPDX at October 23 for painting, returned to KPAE at November 12 with Cargolux registration LX-VCA (LX-ECV, NTU), name : City of Vianden, KPAE tower apron, Scheduled Acceptance/Delivery flight date : March 2013.

L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA-11KZ , ferried May-29-2012 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard, Delivery date TBD.

@ L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, During flight testing accumulated 720 hours in 254 flights, ferried Oct-06-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Oct-15-2012. Ferried at October 23-2012 to Victorville (KVCV)for re-painting, return flight to KPAE 07 November. Acceptance date : December 20, 2012, Delivery flight (NCA696-RJAA) date : January 10, 2013.

@ L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, F/F Aug-31-2011, full livery, name : City of Esch-sur-Alzette, test registration N5014K, Cargolux reg. LX-VCB (LX-ACV-- NTU), selcal code CK-GQ, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX1JS- KSEA-ELLX) date : October-12-2011.

@ L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, F/F July-22-2010, test aircraft #4, full livery, name : City of Ettelbruck, test reg. N5573S, Cargolux reg. LX-VCC (LX-DCV-- NTU), selcal code CL-KQ, Acceptance and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date: March-23-2012.

@ L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609, selcal code AD-FL , F/F Jan-10-2012, Acceptance date Feb-06-2012, Delivery flight (KAL28D %u2013RKSI/ICN ) date : Feb-07-2012.

@ L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC546, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, test registration N5510E, HL7610, selcal code MQ-FJ, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 18-2012, Acceptance / Delivery flight (KAL28D-PKSI/ICN) date : Sept 04-2012.

@ L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, registration B-LJA, selcal code CR-HM, special Hong Kong Trader livery, F/F November 05-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date: November-15-2011.

@ L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, , registration B-LJB, full livery, F/F November-16-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date : November-23-2011.

L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #1, painted basic white-dark blue BA Colours to become G-GSSD, operator airplane number 850), aircraft NTU, F/F Jan 31, 2013, test registration N5023Q, ferried to Portland (KPDX) for re-painting at Feb. 5, return flight at Feb 21, full livery, new customer Saudi Arabian Cargo, HZ-AI3

@ L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , selcal code AH-KM, full ABC livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Sept-16-2012, Acceptance/ Delivery flight (ABW1011-VHHH) date : December 02-2012.

@ L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, F/F Feb-3-2011, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, registration JA13KZ, selcal code FQ-EM, new (adapted) NCA livery, refurbished at Lackland AFB and KPAE, Acceptance date July 25 2012. Delivery flight (NCA696 - RJAA) date : Aug-01-2012. First operational flight NCA108 ( RJAA-KLAX) Aug-13-2012.

L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #2, white livery, operator airplane number 851), aircraft NTU, KPAE flight line, new customer Saudi Arabian Cargo, HZ-AI4.

L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, no engines installed, low rate refurbishment, KPAE flight line, Scheduled Delivery in April or July 2013 ?

@ L/N 1434 - 747-8JK, RC001, serial number 38636, 747-8I test aircraft #1, destined for a BBJ customer (State of Kuwait), test registration N6067E, full red-orange Boeing Sunrise livery, selcal code CQ-AJ, Official first Intercontinental roll-out ceremony happened at February 13, F/F March 20th, -2011. Last test flight at 01-12-2012, after approx. 200 flights with short of 600 flight hours. Refurbishment to delivery standard at KPAE and re-painted in full " State of Kuwait " livery, registration 9K-GAA, First functional test flight October 21-2012, Acceptance /Delivery flight (KAC8043-CYVR-KMCI)date : November 03-2012.

L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1 (NTU), selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, D-ABYE( NTU), engines removed, KPAE Flight Line, Will be used for additional flight testing (tail tank, GEnx-2B PIP, NGFMS updates). Scheduled LH delivery date was September-30-2012 , Aircraft is up for sale after finishing of the test flights in 2014.

@ L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, full livery, name : City of Luxembourg, registration LX-VCD, selcal code AJ-CM, F/F September-02 -2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX789-ELLX) date : October 13-2011.

L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #3, white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, operator airplane number 852), aircraft NTU, low rate refurbishment, re-registered N770BA at Jan 22-2013, KPAE flight line.

L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, full livery, no engines, registration B-LJD, low rate refurbishment, at KPAE flight line, Scheduled Delivery in April or July 2013 ?

@ L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight , test registration N5022E, registration A7-HHE, white livery, F/F Jan-30-2012, Acceptance date Feb-27-2012, Delivery flight (A7HHE-CYVR-KIAB) date Feb-28-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin has been installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas, Ferry flight to Hamburg at Aug- 29-2012, Cabin outfitting at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, Germany. Service entry in 2014.

@ L/N 1440 - 747-8Z5 , RC003, serial number 37500, BBJ customer Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (Presidential Flight Authority) , white livery, 747-8I test aircraft #3, test registration N5020K, future registration A6-PFA, selcal code MR-DQ , F/F June 30-2011, Acceptance date May-24-2012, Delivery flight (A6PFA-KIAB) date May-29-2012, stored during summer 2012 at Wichita, thereafter Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin was installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) . Ferry flight (A6PFA- KIAB-EDDH) December 22-2012. VIP Cabin outfitting by Lufthansa Technik, Hamburg.

@ L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , test registration N1785B, Cathay registration B-LJE, selcal code BF-CS, full livery, F/F Aug-13-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : October-31-2011

@ L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37561, Atlas Air #4 , full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSD, selcal code HL-ZQ, F/F October-21-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (GSS7478- EGSS) date : November-03-2011

@ L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #2, test registration N5016R, LH registration D-ABYA, full livery, name : Brandenburg, selcal code BR-DA, F/F Feb-08-2012, Acceptance date April-25-2012, Delivery flight (DLH748 %u2013 EDDF) date : May 01 2012. Post Delivery Maintenance by LH Technik (EDDF). Inaugural flight DLH416 (EDDF-KIAD ) date: June-01-2012.

@ L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37568, Atlas Air #5, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSE, selcal code HM-BQ, F/F November-17-2011, Acceptance date : December-05-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-19-2011.

@ L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37569, Atlas Air #6, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSF, selcal code DK-JQ, F/F December-0 5-2011, Acceptance date : December-15-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-27-2011

@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Crown Prince Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Saudi Arabian Government ), test registration N458BJ, future registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Acceptance date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Owner : Bank of Utah Trustee, Salt Lake City, Utah (Corporation). Stored at San Bernadino . The Future of this aircraft seems to be unsure, because the Prince passed away at October 22-2011. VIP outfitting contract with Jet Aviation (Basel) was cancelled. Ferried, again with call-sign N458BJ, to Lackland AFB TX at October 06-2012. Leased to a new customer or delivery to another member of the Saudi Royal Family ? Ferry flight (N458BJ- KSKF-LFSB) to Basel -Mulhouse at December 28-2012. (Cancelled Jet Aviation outfitting slot occupied by new customer ?)

@ L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243, Cathay #6 , registration B-LJF, full livery, FAL Roll out date November 2, selcal code DR-EJ, F/F December-01-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : December-12-2011.

@ L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, registration VQ-BLQ, selcal code FM-DS, full livery, the last assembled 747-8 aircraft in 2011, F/F December-21-2011, Acceptance date Jan-26-2012. Delivery flight (ABW5011- KORD) date : Feb-03-2012.

@ L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri flight, leased from Lewiston Investments, A7-HJA , selcal CE-JM, white livery, F/F March-31-2012, Acceptance and Delivery flight (A7HJA-CYVR-KIAB) date April -25-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation completed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES), Wichita, Kansas. Ferry flight to Basel-Mulhouse(LFSB) at November 09-2012. Cabin outfitting will be done by completion center AMAC at Basel, Switzerland, see : http://www.amacaerospace.com/news/news-2012-11-13.html

@ L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244, Cathay #7, future registration B-LJG, full livery, selcal code LM-AJ, F/F February-11-2012, Acceptance date Feb-25-2012, Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date Feb-27-2012.

@ L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, , Lufthansa #3, full livery, selcal code CR-DP, D-ABYC, named : Sachsen, F/F June-07-2012, Acceptance date June-30-2012, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date July-01-2012, PDM by LH Technik at EDDF. First operational Flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) July 25-2012.

@ L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, full livery, test reg. N1788B, registration VQ-BLR, selcal code DK-FS, F/F March-16-2012, Acceptance date : March-30-2012, Delivery flight (ABW4011-KORD) date : April 04-2012.

@ L/N 1453 - 747-830, RC024, serial number 37829, Lufthansa #4 , D-ABYD, named : Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, full livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 01-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date Aug-24-2012, Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM) by LH Technik, First operational flight DLH754 (EDDF-VOBL) September 13-2012.

@ L/N 1454 -747-8R7F, RC505, serial number 35810, Cargolux #5, full livery, name : City of Echternach, registration LX-VCE, selcal AM-JP, F/F May 05 -2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date May 24-2012.

@ L/N 1455 - 747-87UF, RC577, serial number 37570, Atlas Air #7, full Panalpina livery, name: Spirit of Panalpina, registration N850GT, selcal code CM-GJ, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F May-15-2012, Acceptance and delivery flight (GTI609-VHHH) date : May-31-2012.

@ L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYF, name : Sachsen-Anhalt, selcal code CM-BH, full livery, , F/F Sept-28-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date October-23-2012. Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM)by LH Technik (EDDF). First operational flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) November 09-2012.

@ L/N 1457 - 747-867F, RC558, serial number 39245, Cathay #8, full livery, test registration N6018N, registration B-LJH, F/F June -14-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3337- CYVR)date : July 13 2012.

@ L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #8, Full Panalpina livery, name : Passion for Solutions, registration N851GT, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F July 12-2012, Acceptance date July 24, Delivery flight (KHSV-GTI9037)date July 25-2012.

@ L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, BBJ customer : According some rumours (not confirmed) : Bahrain Royal Flight, test registration N455BJ, future registration A9C-???, white livery, F/F October 18-2012, Owner : Wells Fargo Bank Northwest NA Trustee Salt Lake City Utah , Acceptance/Delivery flight (N455BJ-CYVR-KAFW-KCNW) date : November 02-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco,TX.

@ L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, future registration B-LJI, full livery, KPAE Flight line, F/F Aug-20-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3335 - CYVR) date Aug-30-2012.

@ L/N 1461 - 747-8R7F, RC506, serial number 35811, Cargolux #6, registration LX-VCF, full livery, name : City of Grevenmacher, F/F Aug 30-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-ELLX )date Sept 12-2012.

@ L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37571, Atlas Air #9, registration N852GT, full Atlas livery, FAL roll-out Aug 07-2012, F/F September 14-2012, Acceptance date Sept-30-2012 /Delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date October- 02-2012

L/N 1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , test registration N5511Y,registration VQ-BRH, full livery, F/F Nov-14-2012, Ferried to Portland (KPDX) for painting at Dec. 02, return flight at December 13, Re-registered N769BA at Jan 22-2013, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for (temporally) storage at Feb. 04-2013, expected ABC delivery : TBD

@ L/N1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serial number 39246, Cathay #10, registration B-LJJ, full livery, Roll-out date Sept. 5, F/F October 16-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date October 26-2012.

@ L/N1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, full livery, name : City of Diekirch, registration LX-VCG, F/F October 16-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date : November 19-2012.

@ L/N 1466 - 747-8H0, RC007, serial number 39749, Royal Flight Oman, test registration N5511V, future registration A4O-HMS, selcal code FR-AD, white livery, FAL roll-out October 07-2012, F/F November-16-2012, KPAE flight line, Scheduled Acceptance date December 10-2012 . Delivery flight (A4OHMS- CYVR- KCNW) date : December 12-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco, TX, see : http://www2.l-3com.com/is/releases/P...eives-second-747-8-final-photo.pdf

@ L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #10, N853GT, selcal code DK-EL, Polar/DHL Express livery, KPAE flight line, F/F November 26 -2012, Acceptance/delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date : December 04-2012

@ L/N 1468 - 747-8ZV, RC008,serial number 42096, Lessor : Worldwide Aircraft Holding Company, Bermuda, Customer : Former Emir of Qatar (Sheikh Khalifa bin Hamad bin Abdullah bin Jassim bin Muhammed Al Thani), registration VQ-BSK (VQ-B = Bermuda / SK = Sheikh Khalifa), full livery, Roll-out November 08-2012, F/F December 13 2012, Acceptance date December 20-2012, Delivery flight (VQBSK-CYVR) date December 21-2012. Airplane is (probably ) located at Dallas Love Field to be outfitted by Associated Air Center. At the same location also an elevator system and an Aeroloft modification kit will be installed, expected total modification time 36 months.

L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, registration JA14KZ, selcal code KQ-PR, full livery, Roll-out November 26-2012, F/F Jan-08-2013, KPAE flight line, Re-registered N772BA at Jan 22-2013, Is scheduled in March 2013 to be send to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for storage.

L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYG, full livery, F/F Jan 23 - 2013, Hard landing rework, , KPAE flight line , Scheduled Delivery March 8 - 2013

L/N 1471 - 747-87UF, RC581, Atlas Air #11, serial number 37566, N854GT, selcal DK-EM, full Atlas Air livery, F/F Feb 2-2013, KPAE Tower Apron, scheduled for March delivery.

L/N 1472 - 747-830, RC027, serial number 37832, Lufthansa #7, D-ABYH, full livery, KPAE flight line, scheduled delivery* March 31 2013,

L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH, full livery, KPAE flight line.

L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, serial number 37654, KAL#3, HL7617, unpainted with rudders painted in KAL livery, KPAE Flight Line.

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At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL) at Everett Building 40-22
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L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYI, scheduled delivery*April 30 2013, slant position #1.

L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, serial number 37567, Atlas Air #12, N855GT, slant position #2.

L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYJ, scheduled delivery* June 30 2013, body join position.

L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, serial number 35822, Cargolux #9, registration LX-VCI, wing join position.

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Firing order : 17 Airframes , scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).
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L/N 1479 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, registration JA15KZ
L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #10, D-ABYK, scheduled delivery* July 31 2013
L/N 1481 - 747-8B5F, RC548, serial number 37655, N774BA, KAL #4
L/N 1482 - 747-8HVF, RC605, serial number 37670, Air Bridge Cargo( ABC) #5, VQ-BRJ
L/N 1483 - 747-867F, RC561 (former RC631), serial number 43394?, Cathay Pacific #11, (leased Air China Cargo?)
L/N 1484 - 747-867F, RC562 (former RC632), Cathay Pacific #12 (leased Air China Cargo?)
L/N 1485 - 747-8KZF, RC526, serial number 36141?, N783BA ?, NCA #6,
L/N 1486 - 747-867F, RC563 (former RC633), Cathay Pacific #13 (leased Air China Cargo?)
L/N 1487 - 747-8KZF, RC527, NCA #7, nominal roll-out date August 22-2013.
L/N 1488 - 747-8B5F, RC549, serial number 37656, KAL #5
L/N 1489 - 747-8KZF, RC528, NCA #8
L/N 1490 - 747-8R7F, RC510, Cargolux #10
L/N 1491 - 747-8R7F, RC511, Cargolux #11
L/N 1492 - 747-830, RC031, serial number 37836, D-ABYL, Lufthansa #11, scheduled delivery* Jan 31 2014
L/N 1493 - 747-8xxF, RC641, GECAS ?, Boeing internal code 645.
L/N 1494 - 747-830, RC032, serial number 37837, D-ABYM, Lufthansa #12, scheduled delivery* Feb 28 2014
L/N 1495 until/incl. L/N 1498 not yet allocated
L/N 1499 - 747-89L, RC066, Air China, Boeing internal code " BEJ ".

? = Not confirmed
*= Only one (1) source : http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa
**= Boeing Customer code not known.
***= extrapolation.

I will try to publish the following updates on the first of each month to stay synchronized with the monthly Boeing delivery publications.
Please feel free to add updates, corrections and remarks by replies in this thread (or by PM).
Cheers, Peter.



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User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3413 posts, RR: 4
Reply 128, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 23848 times:

Quoting anfromme (Reply 79):
For Boeing it should not matter whether they fill their slots with 747-8i or -8F. For Boeing it would be, and I would expect Boeing to have guarantees from and agreements with suppliers that will allow them to balance production rates between pax and cargo planes easily enough depending on demand.

There are many parts ordered years in advance.
Also as Stitch said there are differences in parts between the two models, and as such its not a simple matter to swap several slots that is only a year away. The most obvious is the top deck, but much of the fuselage ends up being unique thanks to the window belt on the passenger version. I'd assume that there is thousands of parts not shared between the two in the end.

Also interior fittings seems to be a pretty limiting factor in the industry with a delay due to seats or something else annouced fairly often. Its possible that this also requires more than a years notice to even think of getting what you need, even if its off the shelf designs.


User currently offlineWilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9069 posts, RR: 76
Reply 129, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 23849 times:
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Quoting 747classic (Reply 127):
L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYG, full livery, F/F Jan 23 - 2013, Hard landing rework, , KPAE flight line , Scheduled Delivery March 8 - 2013

Any infos on how bad the damage is or what kind of damage happened to the airplane? Any news?

Thanks.

wilco737
  



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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 130, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 23813 times:

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 128):
There are many parts ordered years in advance.
Also as Stitch said there are differences in parts between the two models, and as such its not a simple matter to swap several slots that is only a year away.

Actually there are (at the moment) three basic versions for the 747-8 series built according three basic number blocks.
- 747-8I airline version
- 747-8 BBJ version
- 747-8F

Switching between a 747-8I airline version production slot and a BBJ slot requires less lead time.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 131, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 23755 times:

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 129):
Any infos on how bad the damage is or what kind of damage happened to the airplane? Any news?

RC026 flew again on February 23:
http://paineairport.com/kpae6040.htm



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User currently offlineWilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9069 posts, RR: 76
Reply 132, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 23740 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 131):

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 129):
Any infos on how bad the damage is or what kind of damage happened to the airplane? Any news?

RC026 flew again on February 23:
http://paineairport.com/kpae6040.htm

Thanks, but something weird here as 747classic posted on March 1st that it is undergoing hard landing work and the picture is dated from February 23rd.

So what is the status today? Still delivery date set to March 8th?

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 133, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 23734 times:

She was damaged in the beginning of February, see 747classic's post on February 7:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 61):
A new delivery date for RC026 / D-ABYG has been scheduled : March 8.
The aircraft is presently back in the factory for "hard landing rework."

And she flew again on February 23, so I would say RC026 has been fixed.



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User currently offlineWilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9069 posts, RR: 76
Reply 134, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 23718 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 133):
And she flew again on February 23, so I would say RC026 has been fixed.

Alright, now I got it. Thanks for clarification.

I cannot see any information within LH of the delivery date. So I guess it will happen on short notice.

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User currently offlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 836 posts, RR: 14
Reply 135, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 23560 times:

CX has finally firmed up the extra 3 -8Fs, dropped the 8 x 777Fs (which are going to Air China Cargo) but also picked up new options for 5 x 777Fs plus sold 4 x 400BCFs back to Boeing in the deal.

The -8Fs are to be delivered this year.

http://www.hkexnews.hk/listedco/list...sehk/2013/0301/LTN201303011355.pdf

[Edited 2013-03-01 06:29:23]


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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6924 posts, RR: 46
Reply 136, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 23547 times:

Quoting anfromme (Reply 77):
Given this is an SEC filing (as opposed to marketing blurb), is this a case of setting expectations with shareholders that we're unlikely to see any 747-8i orders in 2013?

This sounds like they realize that as the 777-9X approaches the case for the 748i disappears. It was already getting hard to justify the 748i against the 77W; with the 777-9X it will be just about impossible.

Quoting CCA (Reply 135):

The -8Fs are to be delivered this year.

If that is the case, any info on which line numbers they will be?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 137, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23507 times:

LN 1482, 1483 and 1484 (see the firing order above).

[Edited 2013-03-01 06:50:48]


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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6924 posts, RR: 46
Reply 138, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23458 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 137):
LN 1482

This is listed as Air Bridge Cargo. Do you mean LN 1486?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 139, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23465 times:

Oops, copy paste fail. These are the 3 extra CX frames on order.

Quote:

L/N 1483 - 747-867F, RC561 (former RC631), Cathay Pacific #11 (leased Air China Cargo?)
L/N 1484 - 747-867F, RC562 (former RC632), Cathay Pacific #12 (leased Air China Cargo?)
L/N 1486 - 747-867F, RC563 (former RC633), Cathay Pacific #13 (leased Air China Cargo?)

Together with the 2 under refurbishment (LN 1433 & LN 1438) CX will take 5 frames this year.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 140, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days ago) and read 23399 times:

RC524 is now on its way to MZJ  http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130301/1600Z/KPAE/KMZJ


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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 607 posts, RR: 8
Reply 141, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 23337 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 140):
RC524 is now on its way to MZJ

Did Boeing transfer ownership of RC524 to NCA so this can be counted as a delivery? It's not showing up as a delivery on the info that I can see. Maybe Boeing is just making room for the 787s they are producing but cannot fly?


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 142, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 23318 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 141):
Did Boeing transfer ownership of RC524 to NCA so this can be counted as a delivery? It's not showing up as a delivery on the info that I can see

RC524 / N772BA is still owned by Boeing, see :
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=772BA

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Air China to order two additional 747-8I aircraft :

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...rder-747-8s-737s-and-777fs-382947/



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12593 posts, RR: 25
Reply 143, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 23156 times:

Quoting CCA (Reply 135):
sold 4 x 400BCFs back to Boeing

And http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...rder-747-8s-737s-and-777fs-382947/ says

Quote:

Boeing has also agreed to purchase seven 747-400BCF freighters from the cargo operation.

So is Boeing going to be taking on 11 BCFs?

Can anyone say how many BCFs were ever constructed?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11874 posts, RR: 33
Reply 144, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 23126 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 143):
Can anyone say how many BCFs were ever constructed?

About 50 -400 BCF if I remember correctly.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31062 posts, RR: 87
Reply 145, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 23145 times:
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 143):
Can anyone say how many BCFs were ever constructed?

Looks like 50 based on Boeing press releases. Evergreen International Airlines placed the order for the 50th model in December 2011 and received it in July of 2012.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12593 posts, RR: 25
Reply 146, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 22999 times:

Thanks for the info.

Not good if the manufacturer has taken back 20% of the production run, sigh.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 147, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 22706 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 146):
Not good if the manufacturer has taken back 20% of the production run, sigh.

Certainly not, but at least these are old planes mostly, not binding too much capital and with a chance to find a new operator, even if it will take time.

Found this great shot of the first Saudia 748F:
http://paineairport.com/kpae6053.htm

And this awesome aerial photo with 13 748s on it, 2 x TL, 2 or 3x CX, 2x Cargolux, 1x Atlas, 1x Saudia, the rest unpainted.
Beside that this shot is really dramatizing the 787 misery, showing about 20 of the stored Dream(or Nightmare?)-liners:
http://paineairport.com/kpae6056.htm


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 148, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 22757 times:

Some more 747-8 news :
Just after the release of the March 01 747-8 listing the following info about the March delivery schedule became available.
Seven 747-8 aircraft are scheduled to clear parking space at Paine Field for more 787's.

LN1420 - RC501 - Cargolux - 08 March
LN1470 - RC026 - Lufthansa - 12 March
LN1471 - RC581 - Atlas Air - 20 March or earlier
LN1429 - RC571 - Saudia Cargo - 21 March
LN1472 - RC027 - Lufthansa - 27 March
LN1474 - RC547 - KAL - 28 March
LN1473 - RC508 - Cargolux - 29 March

All info is (as usual) subject to change.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 149, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days ago) and read 22703 times:

7 deliveries in a month must be a best for the 747 this millennium so far. As 4 are scheduled for the end of march I doubt though all will be in service this month.

User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3413 posts, RR: 4
Reply 150, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 22567 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 146):
Not good if the manufacturer has taken back 20% of the production run, sigh.

depends on the terms. Boeing might make some solid money on them. Don't forget Boeing also sells and leases used planes... so its hardly something new and risky.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7654 posts, RR: 18
Reply 151, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22333 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 148):
LN1471 - RC581 - Atlas Air - 20 March or earlier

I hope earlier, i'm in CVG till the 20th and I'd love to catch her delivery! PLEASE keep me posted on this one guys!



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 152, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 22211 times:

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 150):
depends on the terms. Boeing might make some solid money on them. Don't forget Boeing also sells and leases used planes... so its hardly something new and risky.

FYI they´ve just leased a 744BCF to Evergreen, like the Air China planes a new plane sale/old plane return deal from a 748 customer (Korean Air). And this plane is older than any of the Chinese Jumbos.


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2161 posts, RR: 14
Reply 153, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 22002 times:

Here is an excellent summary of the whole combined Air China-Cathay Pacific deal with Boeing, incl the effects for both cargo fleets :

http://cargofacts.net/profiles/blogs...-cathay-and-air-china-cargo-fleets



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User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6611 posts, RR: 55
Reply 154, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 21628 times:

Quoting na (Reply 152):
FYI they´ve just leased a 744BCF to Evergreen, like the Air China planes a new plane sale/old plane return deal from a 748 customer (Korean Air). And this plane is older than any of the Chinese Jumbos.

Could this be ex-CX BCF B-KAE which arrived at Haeco recently all-white after painting in XMN?


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 155, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 21607 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 154):
Could this be ex-CX BCF B-KAE which arrived at Haeco recently all-white after painting in XMN?

No, that one already is with Boeing and went for storage, Evergreen is taking an ex-Korean Air-plane that Boeing also had bought back as I wrote: N779BA, ex HL7606, which is a old 1989-built plane.


User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 156, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 21566 times:

Could we some a few of these frames return as Dreamlifters? Boeing is looking to ramp up production on the 787 after all. (once the current unpleasantness is resolved....)


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User currently offlinerwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2353 posts, RR: 2
Reply 157, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 21443 times:
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Quoting starrion (Reply 156):
Could we some a few of these frames return as Dreamlifters? Boeing is looking to ramp up production on the 787 after all.

They've already got four. Each 787 takes about ten cycles and perhaps 40 hours of LCF flight time. Even if they reach their planned 120 units/year, they're not going to tax the fleet - that's less than one flight per day per-LCF and 1200 hours per year. And while they're used airframes, there's probably enough cycles and flight time left on the LCFs for well over 5000 787s.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2137 posts, RR: 4
Reply 158, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 21180 times:

Quoting rwessel (Reply 157):
And while they're used airframes, there's probably enough cycles and flight time left on the LCFs for well over 5000 787s.

Could the 777 fuselage fit in a dream lifter? Maybe they would consider that business model when they work out the 777-X?

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7654 posts, RR: 18
Reply 159, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 21052 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 158):
Could the 777 fuselage fit in a dream lifter? Maybe they would consider that business model when they work out the 777-X?

Well the 747LCF is 27 ft 6 in (8.38 m) wide, the 777 is 20 ft 4 in (6.20 m) wide, but length wise they would never be able to fit a 77W fuselage in the 747LCF. Maybe the 772ER or 77L but it could be pushing it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/747_Dreamlifter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 160, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 21030 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 159):
Well the 747LCF is 27 ft 6 in (8.38 m) wide

I believe that might be the outside measurement.

The 747LCF's cabin width is the measurement that matters, but it should be wider than the 777 is wide on the outside. What we also don't know is the size of the cargo door opening. As you noted, it's not long enough to transport an entire 777 fuselage, but it could possibly transport sections of it - provided that the opening is wide and tall enough to fit a circular 777 fuselage at 6.20m wide and tall.



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