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New Frontier #40  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4424 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21452 times:
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As the last discussion was getting quite lengthy for some of our members on slow connections, please continue it here.

Previous thread:
New Frontier #39 (by mariner Oct 12 2012 in Civil Aviation)

256 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20960 times:

I suppose I'll break the thread #40 ice. For the non-email subscribers F9 is offering a decent fare sale from 59 destinations. Three of eighteen cities with exceptional fares stood out from BNA. I'm sure there are others.

BNA to SAN for $69 (the ocean)
BNA to PHX for $70 (the desert)
BNA to DEN for $78 (the snow)

Something for everybody I suppose. I didn't check; I suppose travel is valid in either direction



Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7420 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20896 times:

Quoting GentfromAlaska
Quoting enilria (Reply 246):
into treating DEN as a destination for small-town America flown 3 times per week. Two Chicagos and Seattles are pretty much what they offer now

Are you forgetting the four daily DEN-DCA?.


I think you are forgetting that F9 has never offered more than three daily DEN-DCA flights and cannot operate any more than three since they do not have operational authority for a 4th beyond perimeter slot pair.

Additionally, if they ever surrendered one of the DEN-DCA slots, a route that is artificially limited by regulations to allow F9 to have 75% of the service, I'd assume F9 was on the verge of shutdown. Any route where F9 is legally handed a 75% capacity share should be a no-brainer gold mine. I have no reason to think that DCA isn't. There is no other market where that is the case, however. It is the only market F9 flies from DEN where other carriers cannot enter and exit the market freely (FL/WN have entered Mexico routes without problem; slots can be acquired at LGA and we have seen WN add the market using acquired slots). BTW, F9 reduced from 4 to 2 DEN-LGA RTs almost exactly when WN entered the LGA market with 2 rts.

[Edited 2013-01-02 09:00:33]

[Edited 2013-01-02 09:01:44]

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25458 posts, RR: 86
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20833 times:
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Given that "something" is likely to happen with separation later this year, I've been thinking of buying a few (more) RJET shares, just a small, fun amount.

I should have done so. RJET is presently up between16% and 18% today (and has been higher) on huge volume, easily establishing a new 52 week high at about $6.70.

The only "news" I can find is a note from Dahlman Rose reiterating its position, which gives some interesting numbers:

http://www.jagsreport.com/2013/01/re...g-reaffirmed-by-dahlman-rose-rjet/

"Republic Airways Holdings Stock Rating Reaffirmed by Dahlman Rose (RJET)

“Total unit revenue growth at Republic’s Frontier subsidiary is expected to increase by 5% y/y, up from prior guidance of up 4% y/y. Frontier non-fuel costs are expected to be down by 8%, compared to prior guidance of down 5%. As a result of higher revenues and lower costs, Frontier generated a profit margin of 2% to 3% in the quarter. The Republic Airways subsidiary is expected to report a pretax profit of $20 MM to $25MM, up from prior 4Q12 guidance of $15 MM to $20MM."


The share price is a bit too rich for me at the moment, even at a fun buy, but I imagine there'll be a bit of a pull back in the next couple of days - fingers crossed for it, anyway.

mariner

[Edited 2013-01-02 10:34:14]


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7420 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20796 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 3):
I should have done so. RJET is presently up between16% and 18% today (and has been higher) on huge volume, easily establishing a new 52 week high at about $6.70.

A lot of stocks are popping on no news today. Fiscal Cliff driven says the analysts. Companies with a lot of risk are the ones that benefit the most perhaps...


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25458 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20792 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
A lot of stocks are popping on no news today. Fiscal Cliff driven says the analysts. Companies with a lot of risk are the ones that benefit the most perhaps...

No other airline has double digit percentage gains. Allegiant, scarcely a "high risk" company, is highest at 3.2% as I write this.

What is more interesting - to me - are the numbers that Dahlman Rose gives.

mariner

[Edited 2013-01-02 10:54:54]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1313 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 20723 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
A lot of stocks are popping on no news today. Fiscal Cliff driven says the analysts. Companies with a lot of risk are the ones that benefit the most perhaps...


RJET is far from high risk. However, it could be argued that RJET would currently not be profitable without F9. I personally believe Bedford doesn't want to get rid of F9, but he is forced to create some blue skies between RJET and F9 because of pilot contract integration issues. The only news that came out today, and what probably triggered the stock buy today, is the news from the analyst that Mariner quoted - “Total unit revenue growth at Republic’s Frontier subsidiary is expected to increase by 5% y/y, up from prior guidance of up 4% y/y. Frontier non-fuel costs are expected to be down by 8%, compared to prior guidance of down 5%. As a result of higher revenues and lower costs, Frontier generated a profit margin of 2% to 3% in the quarter. The Republic Airways subsidiary is expected to report a pretax profit of $20 MM to $25MM, up from prior 4Q12 guidance of $15 MM to $20MM."

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ALK 43.95 +0.86 (2.00%)
DAL 12.27 +0.40 (3.33%)
GLUX 2.00 +0.00 (0.00%)
HA 6.83 +0.26 (3.96%)
JBLU 5.91 +0.19 (3.32%)
LCC 13.91 +0.41 (3.04%)
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RJET 6.69 +1.01 (17.78%)
SAVE 17.86 +0.13 (0.73%)
SKYW 12.72 +0.26 (2.09%)

I am concerned as we enter what is Frontier's historically weakest quarter, but I am happy to see the E190s leaving Frontier and moving to Caesars Entertainment. The E190 reliability has been horrible lately, so I am pleased to see that issue removed. E190 maintenance and crew issues have hurt Frontier's brand image the last few weeks. We've still got E190s scheduled to fly for F9 until September, but hopefully, those aircraft find a home sooner rather than later. Now, F9 needs to procure some A320s to grow a little or at least stop retrenching due to aircraft availability.



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User currently offlineQuartz From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 34 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20701 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Reply 4):A lot of stocks are popping on no news today. Fiscal Cliff driven says the analysts. Companies with a lot of risk are the ones that benefit the most perhaps...
No other airline has double digit percentage gains. Allegiant, scarcely a "high risk" company, is highest at 3.2% as I write this.

What is more interesting - to me - are the numbers that Dahlman Rose gives.

mariner

The stock is responding to an 8-K with company earnings guidance for Q4 2012 and full year 2013 released by RJET at 5pm on Dec 31 which can be accessed in the SEC section here:

http://www.republicairways.com/investorrelations.html

Hightlights:
Q4 2012 earning expected $0.30-$0.36 up from previous guidance of $0.18-$0.24
Unrestricted cash at YE 2012 up to $235mm from previous guidance of $210mm
Frontier Q4 operation margin 2%-3% up from previous guidance of 0%-2%

2013 consolidated EPS expected to be $1.35 to $1.90/share
$60mm unrestricted cash generated in 2013
Estimate include the fact that the Q400 contract will still be ramping up in 2013.

Republic's AMR contract extended by 18 months and repriced to current aircraft ownership economics.
Several RFP for contract flying are in the market which could cause earnings to increase.
Doesn't include potential one-time cost of signing a new labor agreement with Republic pilots.

As a shareholder, this is great news and confirms the ecomonics of the two brilliant restructurings. The reason for the +20% move in shares today is a combination of this good news and the panic buying of those holding 3.8 million shares currently held short. The shorts were no doubt encouraged by misplaced bankruptcy fears and Frontier-failure "convential wisdom" frequently posted on sites such as airliners.net. To those who promoted such dire predictions, I thank you for giving me and others the opportunity to buy at bargin prices! Happy New Year!!

[Edited 2013-01-02 11:52:16]

[Edited 2013-01-02 11:54:17]

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20591 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
F9 has never offered more than three daily DEN-DCA flights

Fair enough someone mentioned F9 offered four daily DEN-DCA flights a few threads back. I accepted the statement as being factual. They may have been counting the DEN-MSN MSN-DCA as the fourth.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20446 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 3):
I should have done so. RJET is presently up between16% and 18% today (and has been higher) on huge volume, easily establishing a new 52 week high at about $6.70.
Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
No other airline has double digit percentage gains.
Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
A lot of stocks are popping on no news today. Fiscal Cliff driven says the analysts.

There was some news Monday Dec 31 reported by the U.S. television biz media that AS and F9 are # 1 and 2 in a personal preference airline safety poll as being the two safest airlines operating in the U.S. I'm trying to find the article. I believe F9 still aligns under RJET which would explain the stock uptick.



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20400 times:

F9 and RAH report as 2 different entities. If you look at the quarterly releases for financials.


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 20191 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 3):
I've been thinking of buying a few (more) RJET shares, just a small, fun amount.

The street must like something. RJET was up is up another 0.18 cents in mid morning trading Thursday..



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7420 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 20175 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
No other airline has double digit percentage gains. Allegiant, scarcely a "high risk" company, is highest at 3.2% as I write this.

Allegiant does gain disproportionately from an increase in disposable income among the middle class...as a leisure carrier.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 8):
Fair enough someone mentioned F9 offered four daily DEN-DCA flights a few threads back.

Yes, they were probably counting an inside perimeter slot. I'm not even sure that stuff still exists, but DEN is 3.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25458 posts, RR: 86
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 20113 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
Allegiant does gain disproportionately from an increase in disposable income among the middle class...as a leisure carrier.

That isn't working for it - Allegiant - today.

mariner

[Edited 2013-01-03 09:19:04]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1808 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 19827 times:

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 6):
The E190 reliability has been horrible lately, so I am pleased to see that issue removed. E190 maintenance and crew issues have hurt Frontier's brand image the last few weeks. We've still got E190s scheduled to fly for F9 until September, but hopefully, those aircraft find a home sooner rather than later. Now, F9 needs to procure some A320s to grow a little or at least stop retrenching due to aircraft availability.

The 190 reliability issue has got notghing to do with the airplane itself. Let me leave it at that. This, of course, is my opinion and my own observation only.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7420 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 19733 times:

Quoting bahadir (Reply 14):
The 190 reliability issue has got notghing to do with the airplane itself. Let me leave it at that. This, of course, is my opinion and my own observation only.

I'd guess there is a wind-down of the parts inventory going on.

BTW, anybody else heard rumors that RJET will takeover Pinnacle from Delta shortly after they exit? It was just announced that Delta will own Pinnacle post-Ch11 because of their DIP financing, but DL has made it clear in the past they do not wish to own regionals any more. That seems to be at the root of the rumor. I guess TransStates could also "buy" them, but I think Skywest has too many eggs in the Delta basket already to be involved leaving only really RJET who always wants more Delta business and maybe TransStates.


User currently offlineBostonMike From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 19695 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
BTW, anybody else heard rumors that RJET will takeover Pinnacle from Delta shortly after they exit?

Somehow the regionals have to find a way to be more in control of their own destinies. The legacies have merged their way into controlling certain hubs and restricting growth. But they still need to feed those hubs from smaller airport catchment areas. So maybe more mergers in the regional ranks will give them more power at the table. Hard to see how Delta would benefit from this other than not owning another regional.

The RAH pilots' contract was amenable in 2007 and they have been in and out of negotiations ever since. Right now RJET and its pilots (not Frontier) are meeting with a senior mediator from the NMB. The pilots have previously asked to be released but the previous mediator decided it wasn't time, yet.

It's all a guessing game to me.
RJET's stock has certainly had a bump in the last couple of days, but that may simply be the result of a positive earnings restatement for the fourth quarter of 2012.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7420 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 13 hours ago) and read 19664 times:

Quoting BostonMike (Reply 16):
Somehow the regionals have to find a way to be more in control of their own destinies.

I think what the legacies have done with buying and spinning off regionals is nearly fraud. Spinning off a company completely dependent upon you for revenue and then choking them to death a few years later after you count your IPO/sale cash seems illegal, but I guess you could just say investors are stupid.

I think where I'd start is that the legacy should always on the plane. It's just crazy to buy a 20 year airplane for a 5 year contract.

Quoting BostonMike (Reply 16):
Hard to see how Delta would benefit from this other than not owning another regional.

That's the reason. Delta doesn't want to own a regional. There are also labor implications. Delta's own union issues are eased by making these regionals completely separate.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25458 posts, RR: 86
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 13 hours ago) and read 19619 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 9):
There was some news Monday Dec 31 reported by the U.S. television biz media that AS and F9 are # 1 and 2 in a personal preference airline safety poll as being the two safest airlines operating in the U.S. I'm trying to find the article.

Here you go, here's one of the articles about it:

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2013/01/02/rudest-airlines.html

"Rudest airlines? United's naughty, Frontier's nice

Two of Denver International Airport%u2019s biggest carriers rank at the opposite ends of a new survey on rude airline employees by Airfarewatchdog.com."


It's fun, but not a lot more than that. "Likeability" doesn't seem to affect how some airlines do - viz Ryanair.

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 6):
I am concerned as we enter what is Frontier's historically weakest quarter, but I am happy to see the E190s leaving Frontier and moving to Caesars Entertainment.

  

I suppose the departure of the E190's will be the most visible sign of separation yet, at least to a.net, and Q1 2013, this quarter, was always going to be the most interesting quarter in this complex - and extraordinary - restructure.

I'm not expecting a profit in this quarter. The airline is still carrying un-separated baggage and fuel is up again, but break-even or a modest loss would be, in itself, an achievement.

And while I agree about more A320's, I'd rather see profit before growth.

Meanwhile the RJET stock price is still at the races, presently at a two year high.

mariner

[Edited 2013-01-04 11:00:40]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 19576 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
I think what the legacies have done with buying and spinning off regionals is nearly fraud. Spinning off a company completely dependent upon you for revenue and then choking them to death a few years later after you count your IPO/sale cash seems illegal, but I guess you could just say investors are stupid.

The answer is that investors are naive (or stupid), but I would not call it anything close to fraud by the legacies. These spinoffs are in full disclosure. Only foolish investors would be willing to invest money in a company (in this case regional carriers) that receives 100% of their total revenue from 1 or 2 customers (in this case legacy carriers).


User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1325 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 19547 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
BTW, anybody else heard rumors that RJET will takeover Pinnacle from Delta shortly after they exit? It was just announced that Delta will own Pinnacle post-Ch11 because of their DIP financing, but DL has made it clear in the past they do not wish to own regionals any more.

Other than from you, I have not heard it anywhere. That said, it is quite possible.

Concerns:
Bombardier fleet
Staff issues
Financing
Future contracts

IMO, the Bombardier fleet is not a concern. Pinnacle's plan is to exit bankruptcy with 81 CRJ900s. This is a sufficiently large fleet, and in Republic's case, joins a fleet of 32 Q400s (whatever that would be worth). Additionally, the engines on the CRJ900s should be similar enough to those on the E-Jets. (they both use CF34s if I recall) The fleet plan at Pinnacle fits in line with that of Republic as well. Pinnacle will, untimatey, not add unprofitable 50 seat flying. Such a deal would further Republic's position in providing 70+ seat lift.

Financing the deal could be a sticking point. If DL works a deal with RAH similar to that of what they worked with Trans States with the Compass deal. A lot will depend on the price of Pinnacle exiting Chapter 11.

The biggest concern could be staff issues at RAH. They have been working for some time to work out a contract with their pilots. This needs to happen, and even more so if Pinnacle is added to the mix. If Pinnacle is added prior to RJET having a pilot contract, then more integration issues could arise.

One concern for me is if such a deal were to occur, it could tie RAH up to the point where they could be limited in their ability to compete with the other regionals for new contracts at United and American. Those have potentially huge contracts coming likely this year. RAH needs to make sure they are in a position to make a play for those deals.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25458 posts, RR: 86
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 19501 times:
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TTN Trivia Department:

In September (before Frontier) it was announced that The Runway Restaurant at Trenton Airport had fallen on evil financial times, it couldn't pay the rent, and its lease was in jeopardy:

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...renton-mercer_airports_runway.html

"Trenton-Mercer Airport's Runway restaurant could lose its lease"

The axe has fallen and the restaurant has closed:

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...nton-mercer_airports_runway_1.html

"Trenton-Mercer Airport's Runway restaurant closes up shop"

Given how much the restaurant owed, it is completely unsurprising. More than that, it was a full-service, up-market menu, almost fine dining, when I guess it needed burgers. Originally, there was some suggestion that the airport would look for a new tenant, but that doesn't appear to have happened (yet?) and I guess the space could be used for other things.

However, tucked away is the following:

"Frontier Airlines began flying out of the Ewing airport in November, offering cheap flights to Orlando, Fla. The Denver company has already announced it will expand service to Tampa, Fort Lauderdale and Fort Myers, Fla. and to New Orleans. The company said yesterday it will make another announcement on expanded service on Monday but did not provide further details"

That last sentence is the intriguing one - although, as always, I'll believe it when and if it happens.

mariner

[Edited 2013-01-04 13:13:02]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 19492 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
Here you go, here's one of the articles about it:

Thank you Mariner; that may or may not be it. It was reported on Fox Business News. I only caught bits and pieces of the story and remember it having to do with safety with F9 and AS. But maybe not!

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2013/01/02/rudest-airlines.html This appears to be DEN-centric and although F9 AS are mentioned UA was not in the story I was thinking about. Keep up the good work F9 and from my own backyard AS.



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User currently offlineCarsAir04 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 19353 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 21):
Given how much the restaurant owed, it is completely unsurprising. More than that, it was a full-service, up-market menu, almost fine dining, when I guess it needed burgers. Originally, there was some suggestion that the airport would look for a new tenant, but that doesn't appear to have happened (yet?) and I guess the space could be used for other things.

I didn't read the article so forgive me if it mentions that the restaurant had been closed since the Hurricane also, as the roof was heavily damaged. I wonder if the combination of having to rebuild, past due rent etc forced the closure.


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Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 19340 times:
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Quoting CarsAir04 (Reply 23):
I didn't read the article so forgive me if it mentions that the restaurant had been closed since the Hurricane also, as the roof was heavily damaged. I wonder if the combination of having to rebuild, past due rent etc forced the closure.

The hurricane maybe didn't help, but as noted, the Freeholders were voting to cancel the lease as long ago as September 27 - before the hurricane and before Frontier started service at TTN.

More recently (December 13), the Freeholders voted for emergency funds to facilitate the roof repairs.

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...roof_repair_at_trenton-mercer.html

"The freeholder board approved the additional $45,000 and the estimated $1 million bill that was presented to them at a meeting earlier this week with no opposition.

mariner



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25 smoot4208 : Could see DEN-TTN being announced as seasonal service starting in May. Also wouldn't be surprised if that replaced either RSW or MSY once the peak se
26 BA0197 : For God's sake can F9 add a few flights from IAH. I work at gates 29 and 27 and they leave from gate 30 at IAH terminal A. Ever since they came back I
27 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : That would make the most sense. I got curious and started searching for any type of flyer polls which may have been conducted by TTN to gauge where T
28 Post contains links jerseyguy : Their lunch menu was pretty good in that regard, with Burgers, Sandwiches and Pasta for reasonable prices. They could have just added a few dinner it
29 mariner : I guess DEN is the obvious one, but, as I said, I'm not technical. Because of the runway, I don't know if it is possible or what the payload hit migh
30 GentFromAlaska : Juneau (JNU) Alaska has a like restaurant in their airport which is probably the size of TTN which catered to fliers. They brought in a new sheriff w
31 jerseyguy : Florida in the summer is popular with families because the kids have an extended period of time off and Disney is down there. Most places have pools
32 enilria : The service contract between the carriers is never fully disclosed, so I think that is where the potential illegality is located. I think PBCL will b
33 Post contains images mariner : I would probably avoid it, although I admit I did go to Miami once in July, for a few days, on my way to Puerto Rico. It was hot and oppressive, but
34 Post contains links jerseyguy : This is wierd, if the paper is correct and there is a TTN expansion why is F9 offering 3X miles on TTN routes TTN-FLL,TTN-RSW,TTN-MCO: TTN-TPA,TTN-MSY
35 mariner : To encourage Trenton folk to join Early Returns. The more members they have, the more likely those members are to fly Frontier - perhaps on other rou
36 smoot4208 : IMO, It still remains to be seen whether TTN is actually profitable. I do think DEN-TTN could work (although I think DEN-ABE would've garnered worked
37 mariner : Surely, that's true. Even if every flight out of TTN proves to be profitable (which is unlikely), I doubt that TTN itself will be for some time, beca
38 smoot4208 : I should correct myself. No one is claiming that as of now. I guess I'm just no where near as excited to see the recent expansion there as others see
39 mariner : That's not a debate for me - there are too many polarized opinions. Many a.netters believe that Frontier cannot possibly survive at DEN, that DEN can
40 jerseyguy : I know that this is in no way scientific (far from it actually) but I used seat maps for all of the TTN-MCO flights in January and February (only in t
41 enilria : It just started. They wouldn't really know until they have seen all the seasons. Even if Winter is decent, that doesn't mean it's a profitable market
42 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Here is the new TTN service announcement http://media.flyfrontier.com/article....cfm?article_id=5418&view_id=1290&
43 Post contains images mariner : I guess they didn't take my advice - LOL. I like MDW very much. And maybe DTW. I'm okay about ATL but I hoped they talked to Delta. RDU/CMH - I guess
44 smoot4208 : Well I guess we know where the MCO flying is going. MCO-MKE/MSN/ABE/SHD/OMA(all but once a week) ends on 07Apr13. he extra airplane from that will sta
45 OzarkD9S : I called that on TTN-MDW and was dissed for it...so be it
46 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Outside of TTN being a P2P focus city I wonder what if anything connects the new cities to TTN I thought Chi-town was a given when I posted my where
47 Post contains links mariner : Sorry, Gent, no. Or - not in the immediate future, anyway. While there have been plans to expand (or rebuild) the terminal. the airport gives a publi
48 GentFromAlaska : I think the above was more my thought process. I read about TTN 13 Million EMAS (safety zone extension) upgrade but also tied in that any residual fu
49 Post contains links mariner : I posted this in the other thread, but I should probably post it here. To give it some background, Robert Ashcorft is the Senior VP Finance at frontie
50 sunking737 : Why do some many people bash Frontier?? If they find something that works who cares. They are looking for summer travel vs winter. More folks come to
51 freakyrat : Qouting sunking737 (Reply 50) Why do some many people bash Frontier?? If they find something that works who cares. They are looking for summer travel
52 mariner : Yes. I feel stupid - and I'm eating humble pie - because I hadn't seen Trenton as a leisure destination. But it may be. Up until now, all the TTN rou
53 Post contains links mariner : Despite the TTN announcement, I think we have to assume that it isn'tt the last word for spring, at least for "western" Frontier. MSO is hopeful - as
54 smoot4208 : I think MSO will get F9 service this year. F9 seemed to have great success at GTF last summer. It also sounds like MSO would give them a revenue guar
55 Post contains links mariner : Sadly, I don't think it will be STS. The runway lengthening project has been delayed by nine months: http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120730/AR
56 flyinryan99 : Frontier has no desire to run TOL-DEN. Won't see that happen.
57 mcg : You beat me to it, nicely done. I've been flying to MSO multiple times per year and I know introduction of service by F9 would significantly lower fa
58 iowaman : A little background on RST (Rochester, Minnesota) for anyone who is interested. If F9 were to launch DEN-RST it will be interesting to follow. RST ha
59 Post contains links and images mariner : I'm wondering who the "eight others" are. I posted this in the TTN thread, but it's Cranky Flier on Frontier and TTN, and it's extremely positive, so
60 GentFromAlaska : Do we know of eight cities which could potentially fill an A319. RDM fits the ULCC model. Maybe PDX-RDM-MSO-PDX. The RDM-MSO segment would connect tw
61 Post contains images smoot4208 : I'd be willing to wager my life savings that PDX-RDM-SMO-PDX is not on there radar. Although I guess one can always wish I'd say they are probably lo
62 mariner : If there is to be a summer expansion, I'm hoping that it might resolve the somewhat ambivalent relationship of DEN and TTN. Obviously, I;d like to se
63 GentFromAlaska : Although I like what F9 is doing in TTN/Princeton. Its less the cities they chose but more the geographical location of the airport between PHL and N
64 Post contains links and images point2point : It appears that F9 will be leaving ABE in April. Lehigh Valley International Airport has hired a new fuel supplier that will bring the cash-strapped a
65 mariner : There's a big clue in the article: "Frontier, brought in last year in hope of cushioning the loss of AirTran Airways, was planning to increase routes
66 Post contains links enilria : Mariner, you've complained to me numerous times that the CLE-DEN route has not appeared on the OAG thread as an addition when you say it has been for
67 Post contains links mariner : DEN-CLE has been on sale for weeks. I've been tracking it on the Frontier website. The route actually started flying yesterday (your time) 1/9. Fronti
68 Post contains links mariner : It seems IFP - Bullhead-Laughlin - has thrown its hat in the ring: http://www.mohavedailynews.com/artic...ocal/doc50ed10af7a6f6409285505.txt "Airport
69 Post contains links and images point2point : Persistent bunch there at IFP, but I guess it's what you got to do if you run an airport, and want some scheduled commercial airline service there. B
70 smoot4208 : Mariner, If you read the entire article (which I'm sure you did) it doesn't sound all that optimistic that IFP will get F9 service. It sounds like it
71 mariner : On face value, I think it is unlikely, too. The problem is, as always, I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. Is this just a stand alone
72 Buddys747 : I think FLL would be a good fit to some the newer NE cities. Do a few weekly flights, like FL did to MDT and ABE. The flights did well, only reason th
73 BA0197 : For God's sake can F9 add a few flights from IAH. I work at gates 29 and 27 and they leave from gate 30 at IAH terminal A. Ever since they came back I
74 Post contains links mariner : Fairly predictably, DEN-DAY is ending May 31, and for the most obvious reason - there isn't room for three: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...isc
75 Joeljack : How does OMA compare on this too?
76 freakyrat : GentFromAlaska said: Although I like what F9 is doing in TTN/Princeton. Its less the cities they chose but more the geographical location of the airpo
77 Post contains images point2point : What's going on with the slots that F9/Republic have at LGA? There were 3-4 daily flights to DEN, then a couple or so to each of MKE and MCI. That's
78 mariner : Frontier only has it's original Frontier DEN/LGA slots. Republic did a deal (with Delta) for the Republic owned slots that came from Midwest. mariner
79 Post contains images point2point : Okay, t/y... but isn't that about 4 pair or so? IIRC, DEN-LGA on F9 was at least 3 daily (and maybe even 4) so there is a slot or two out there that
80 mariner : There were (are?) 3 pair. Some time ago (Potter or Menke?) they applied for and got a 4th pair, specifically to used for a red-eye flight, which flew
81 Post contains images point2point : Thanks for the info..... I had been under the impression that F9 (not including the YX flights LGA-MKE/MCI) had about 4 slot pairs at LGA..... and pr
82 Flytravel : MDT-FLL would make sense. ABE-FLL would also, but F9 ditched ABE altogether in favor of TTN and MDT. However, if one is in Lehigh Valley or further up
83 airliner371 : Frontier only has 4 slots operating as 2 daily DEN flights. They don't have any slots sitting idle. If they want more LGA flights they need to get it
84 Post contains images point2point : Okay...... but IIRC, didn't they just a while ago have LGA-DEN at 3 daily, and somehow I even remember 4 daily about 3 or 4 summers ago? Did they tra
85 airliner371 : Yeah, they had 4, went down to 3 in September I believe and then went down to 2 in October. The slots are operating at DL.
86 Post contains images point2point : Okay.... but I thought those were the YX slots? Did Republic give DL the F9 slots as well? If (IF) they did, then again there's a problem with a regi
87 mariner : The third slot pair usually goes dormant in winter. But: I had not heard that about the Frontier slots. But if so, it may change the nature of the re
88 Post contains images point2point : On this subject of LGA slots (and the other FAA slot controlled airports) does anyone know where to get current info about the status of the slots (i
89 mariner : I don't know that Delta did. But I think it would be a neat - and very desirable - trick if it has happened. mariner
90 airliner371 : LGA Slots US Airways: 65 United: 41 Southwest/AirTran: 27 Air Canada: 24 JetBlue: 18 Spirit: 11 WestJet: 8 Frontier: 2 (US and United change daily so
91 PacificF27 : Don't think so. US 65? How about Delta?
92 Flytravel : From it's route map, F9's biggest lack of service is New England, i.e. BOS. It probably won't be able to restore service there on it's metal from DEN
93 airliner371 : Yes, US 65. Remember the slot swap. US has 65.
94 Buddys747 : ABE certainly has seen it's share of problems in the last few years with law suits and fly by night carriers. F9 I guess felt there is more potential
95 GentFromAlaska : We have to remember CHO is fairly close to SHD and CHO appears to be well served to the Washington D.C. including BWI; CLT to the south and even ORD
96 Post contains links mariner : Jerseyguy posted this in the other thread, but I think it deserves a place here - apart from anything else, there is a slideshow of interesting photos
97 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Possibly the reporter had a momentary lapse thinking PHL-CUN or PHL-Punta Cana Apple flights at PHL were domestic. Domestic North America maybe. http
98 NKOPS : I would love to see these flights switched to ACY since RP now has a station there, and ACY has the FIS facility now.
99 smoot4208 : I didn't bother checking MKE, MSN, COS, or OMA as you can already fly MCO-DEN-XXX, MCO-OMA can be flown everyday via DEN and isn't being kept open fo
100 mariner : So now DEN-MDW-TTN and TTN-MDW-DEN is bookable on the website. mariner
101 freakyrat : Just did a check of one way fares to typical westbound destinations from SBN on Frontier as compared to other airlines and SWA out of MDW. DEN - F9 -
102 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : The ITA software http://matrix.itasoftware.com/ is not as friendly. If you want to fly TTN-DEN on F9 in April it wants to route you FLL and MSY and T
103 MSYtristar : I'll be on the inaugural MSY-TTN on 2/1. From what I've heard, the flight is booked fairly well. I'll try to take some pictures and share them in this
104 mariner : I'm surprised there are any bookings on first MSY-TTN on 2/1 - usually first return flights from a vacation destination are empty. I'm told first fli
105 MSYtristar : Surprised me too. Maybe they are seeing some traditional O&D traffic from MSY to the New Jersey/PHL area as an added bonus. Those next flights yo
106 smoot4208 : Per OAG, DEN-COS service ends 01Mar13. With that, the COS experiment is over, and more importantly, COS will be down to just 4 weekly flights this sum
107 freakyrat : Just checked F9's SBN-DEN flight today on Flightaware. The Flight was F9 #803 to DEN. The flight arrived at Gate A40 and the same plane left from that
108 freakyrat : Just checked up on some facts. Before Frontier came to SBN, DFW was the number one requested flight destination from SBN, The NYC area was two and DEN
109 mariner : You know a lot more about the market than I do, but I think that's probably right. I suspect that end of February may be slow (no special events and
110 Post contains images MSYtristar : The locals get the heck out of dodge! Tourists can actually find some great deals during that time of year, but it's always been slow for as long as
111 Post contains links smoot4208 : While I guess that's true, to me it just seems like the outcome was pretty obvious. Like you said F9 has constrained resources, so my concern is that
112 mariner : I think there was every intention that COS should work - and maybe still could be made to work. Perhaps they should have started an easterly route bu
113 enilria : So did COS and MCI and MKE and LAX and MEM and... Maybe it's different this time, but then there's history...
114 mariner : MEM? MEM changed nothing - nor was it ever going to. Who wanted to go there? I called it "The Mystery of MEM" - LOL. MEM-LAS was announced as 5 x week
115 jerseyguy : I have a question about Early Returns (TM). I am a COS and therefore purchased a second seat for my trip to MCO. Providing that the ticket can not be
116 mcg : My experience is that F9 award availability has been pretty good. I've been able to find the flights I need pretty easily.
117 Post contains links and images mariner : The Trenton Sweepstakes: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fronti...unces-trenton-takes-173000945.html "Frontier Airlines today announced a sweepstakes fo
118 jerseyguy : Plus get a 10% coupon code for use to/from TTN when signing up "Book now and receive 10% off domestic fares to/from Trenton, NJ, through Thursday, Fe
119 AirframeAS : It looks like Jack the Snowshoe Hare is now on an A320 with a funky tail number that ends in AV. Is 940FR phased out or something??
120 GentFromAlaska : Although DEN-JNU would be good from the hub aspect. I think a better route idea might be to connect DEN-BLI-JNU Last seasons DEN-BLI flight was to my
121 smoot4208 : As with your RDM idea, I just don't think F9 is interested in doing tag routes
122 GentFromAlaska : I realize BLI is no MDW but might the MDW tag in TTN-MDW-DEN and DEN-MDW-TTN be the exception or possibly a sign or strategy of of things to come? I
123 Post contains links Sligo : Yep, good find mariner. http://www.theairlinezone.com/2012/11/trenton-airport/ In the article you cite, note the push for frequency by the author...
124 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Keeping with www.linkedin fashion welcome aboard to airliners.net and one of better threads; everything F9
125 Sligo : Thank you kindly gent. There sure are interesting things afoot w/F9 from almost every angle...
126 mariner : Frontier has never done well with high frequency. We can all be wise after the event, but LAX-MSP can be regarded as the start of Frontier's downfall
127 mariner : Meanwhile, back at Frontier West, both MOT and FSD get the A319 at the beginning of March. I'm told this is partly a preparation for Spring and partly
128 NKOPS : 165HQ just pulled into ACY in Midwest livery... how long has this plane been out of service?
129 JA : If you are trying to get someone else to buy E190 time, the fact that the planes are not as reliable would give pause.
130 Post contains links mariner : There are two good articles out this week-end which are curiously interdependent - the difference and similarities between COS and TTN. COS first: htt
131 Post contains images mcg : Hey Mariner, are the Dickie Birds chirping about MSO? One can hope
132 Post contains images mariner : Sorry, the dickie birds have really clammed up about Frontier West. Most of the stuff coming to me is about Frontier East. mariner
133 727tiger : Apologies in advance if this has been asked before, but does anyone know when Frontier will issue a schedule that extends beyond 7/10/13? I need to bo
134 F9animal : Still sad that F9 dropped SEA MCI. It was a good flight. The 190 was pretty reliable on it too. There was talk of changing it to a 319 too. Is MCI a g
135 Post contains links mariner : Here's an interesting one - a woman is suing the TSA, the FBI - and Frontier: http://consumerist.com/2013/01/22/wo...ter-being-detained-strip-searched
136 rampart : Wow! But this needn't involve F9, unless the crew were needlessly freaked out about ethnicity and started the whole thing. And for discussion, this n
137 flyinryan99 : Frontier probably has the deep pockets...I'll bet their liability limit is at least $500M. Obviously the insurer will try and get itself dismissed fr
138 jerseyguy : She also sued border patrol and ICE. She forgot Airbus and the makers of the jetbridge too.
139 mcg : Thanks for the info!
140 GentFromAlaska : It doesn't sound like it to me. I'm sure there is a in-flight lavatory standard. e.g. how long does it take the normal person to use the john. It onl
141 mariner : She has enough of a prima facie case for the ACLU to take it up, Gent - and whatever anyone's opinion of the ACLU, they have some verrrrrry smart law
142 AirframeAS : Actually, she does. I agree with Mariner, and I hope she wins. The law enforcement folks deprived her of her 4th amendment rights, never charged her,
143 smoot4208 : MSO would not be surprising at all. Mariner, have you heard any additional stuff regarding the east? To my knowledge Daniel Shurz stated that TTN wou
144 mariner : Yes, I heard that, although I didn't hear a date. I took it to mean they'll slow down TTN expansion for a while. They have to see how the new (non-Fl
145 mariner : iPhone app now available from the Apple apps store. mariner
146 AirframeAS : Outstanding!!! Better late than never. The app is for the iPhone but it does work on the iPad. Now they need to come up with an app for Android users
147 gustywinds : An app for the Android operating system will be released in the spring.
148 mikefrommke : Outstanding!!! Better late than never. The app is for the iPhone but it does work on the iPad. Now they need to come up with an app for Windows Phone
149 GentFromAlaska : You have to wonder if F9 invoked strategy or tactic at TTN; turning a two gate airport into a focus city (my words) and loading it with the maximum a
150 Post contains links FRNT787 : While this thread is mostly Frontier, I always believe the health of the parent company is important. As such, Republic made two big, and comnected, a
151 Post contains links mariner : Mercer County presented two plans to the Freeholders last night, both involving TTN airport. The first was for the airport to hire a building engineer
152 jerseyguy : I think Frontier would be ok with 10 departures a day, the big problem they have to solve is the one of overcrowding of the gate area. If they can fi
153 Post contains images kingcavalier : TTN has temporary expansion options available before they get too crazy spending money on a new terminal. I noticed a nice modular pre-manufactured bu
154 jerseyguy : Wow, Thanks King Calvier. Thats a great idea
155 N908AW : AZA has a temporary building as well to house three of the six "gates" there. Probably is the only airport I've been to where part of the sterile are
156 kingcavalier : The pic of the split manufactured building is from COU. It's obviously not the prettiest thing from the outside, but if done right, most people wouldn
157 mariner : JetBlue has - or had - that at LGB. I guess it's changed with the new terminal? mariner
158 Post contains images gustywinds : Of course, LGB is a perfect example of what TTN could do. I wonder if F9 would spend the money themselves. TTN could become F9's own little LGB.
159 jerseyguy : Speaking of B6, they did a modular terminal at T6 while they were waiting for T5 to be built and those had jetbridges. Only problem with boarding ram
160 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Slightly off topic. Because their are a few Sean Menke fans who if memory serves me was at the helm of Pinnacle Airlines for a awhile. Pinnacle Airlin
161 Post contains links mariner : Here's a surprise - DEN-CVG 6 x weekly A320: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fronti...stop-between-denver-181600342.html "Frontier Announces Nonstop Ser
162 GentFromAlaska : Because F9 still aligns under RJET I don't think much. I think Republic does some DL regional flying. If F9 were a stand-alone I could see some retal
163 Post contains images rampart : But that would negate a need for TTN-Florida on F9. On the other hand, MDW and CMH to TTN would be a winter market. I could use some LGB weather righ
164 GentFromAlaska : I misread it. The service is in fact 6 x weekly.
165 Post contains links mariner : I think it's a good move. Clearly, SW Ohio is a very good market and surely it is far better to be the only low fare carrier at an airport like CVG.
166 smoot4208 : Yeah I'm curious to see what's in store for DEN this summer. In fact under Shurz, all but GRB and LGB (as far as new routes from DEN) have stuck sinc
167 mariner : It's not an article - it was to the staff. Like you, I'm interested to see what they come up with - I've stopped trying to guess. But Spirit is start
168 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : I read this as seasonal routes. Perhaps JNU (Juneau) this year.
169 smoot4208 : I would really like to see Juneau, but only if it's from DEN. I think the route would do very well.
170 SurfandSnow : Hmmmm.... COU - connect the dots EUG - the Pacific Northwest is a relatively strong region for F9 FLG - offer service to the doorstep of the Grand Ca
171 Post contains images mariner : Yes, delayed until 2014. IFP - Laughlin/Bullhead - claims to have its hat in the ring as well. I dunno. I'd like to see SAV - summer only - on the li
172 PacificF27 : Still waiting for SCK (Stockton, CA). Only G4 for now. But sooner or later (I know it is proving to be way later!) an airline will start service to DE
173 smoot4208 : MSO, LNK, COU, GSO, SAV(or CHS), I could see working. I think IFP would be a long shot. It may have worked on the E190, but I see no reason why they'
174 GentFromAlaska : I'm on the proverbial teeter-totter about DEN-JNU. From the hub aspect I would certainly agree. The armchair route planner in me would try BLI-JNU or
175 mcg : Let's Go - MSO!!!! It's ok to be enthusiastic isn't it?
176 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : From my vantage point Rah Rah away!. Thee isn't much better than hometown pride. I know the U.S. Forest Service has a training academy and inventory
177 Post contains links smoot4208 : http://catalystnewspaper.com/2013/01...rop-colorado-springs-denver-route/ Found this article on COS, but it did have an interesting quote from Kate O'
178 F9animal : CVG is a no brainer. I think it will be a good market.
179 rampart : That's a student newspaper from a small campus. One has to take quotations with a grain of salt.
180 mariner : I do, too. I think it is an extremely sensible move (from DAY) not unlike the move from CAK to CLE. I think CVG can do well and, like CLE, it has the
181 Post contains images mcg : The primary Federal Agency in Missoula is the Forest Service, I can't imagine why they'd need a fare to Munich (although I'm sure there are some fore
182 Post contains links mariner : Nothing wrong with dreaming big, I guess, and the Mayor of Columbia, MO - COU - is surely dreaming big. He says that a new terminal at COU is a matter
183 Post contains images mariner : And speaking of airport terminals, a chum sent me this photo of TTN: I get the impression from him that there is ample space to create a functioning
184 GentFromAlaska : Indeed. I wonder if the reporter caught Mr. McDavid between Irish ales. Even if it is a misprint or he was misquoted; 60 would IMO be a lot in a sing
185 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Receivd this JNU-SEA fare alert sixty days out. http://travel.travelocity.com/flight...Search.do?SEQ=13595924547910302013 These AS fares are what the
186 mesaflyguy : I'm still crossing my fingers that they'll enter ISP. Surely if ABE or MDT could do it ISP could. I just wish they weren't so afraid of WN. Maybe 2-3x
187 Post contains images rampart : Looks like a rental car facility with an airline counter installed on 2nd thought, not the other way around. I took to mean they want the airport to
188 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Yikes RDM looks larger than TTN four fold. TTN reminds me of a general use airport. It looks like some of the small cities in Alaska are actually lar
189 dbo861 : But that terminal is on base, and 95% of passengers probably wouldn't have a military ID to get thru the gate. Not going to happen.
190 jerseyguy : Rampart, A rental car counter works even if they only have private jets and charter flights so really an airline counter was a second thought. They do
191 GentFromAlaska : Oh how times change. From my vantage point its no longer a show stopper. Many military installations have special procedures in place which allow civ
192 jerseyguy : All they have to do is bring in some trailers while they renovate the terminal not like they even have jet bridges anyway just an area to check-in wai
193 dbo861 : Two words: Logistical Nightmare You're right, occasionally they allow civilians on base for special occasions, but what you're proposing would pretty
194 Post contains images mariner : They're moving this trailer closer to the ramp for airline office space. But I'm told the key problem is that it is simply badly designed, in terms o
195 GentFromAlaska : I guess we can only agree to disagree. Faxing a passenger list and maybe follow it up with a phone call to insure it was received is a logistical nig
196 Flytravel : One eastern market that might do well with more service is RDU. Given that the other LCCs have focus and interests in other bigger markets like DFW (S
197 Post contains images rampart : The 1 time I stepped in there, I think Shuttle America and one other airline had counter space where the rental car desk is now. It just looks odd no
198 bobloblaw : Runway length? DEN is the only hope for F9
199 EricR : F9 should wait until they determine whether their TTN experiment is succesful before sinking in a lot of cash into upgrading the terminal.
200 GentFromAlaska : To my understanding counter and gate space would or at least should be included in the monthly lease fee. The carrier need only to bring in their sig
201 Post contains images mariner : Frirst TTN-TPA-TTN happened this morning and first TTN-RSW is in the air now. I believe both flights were almost 100% full - which simply confirms wha
202 Post contains images jerseyguy : Pax have separate arrival doors and arrive pre-security.
203 mariner : First TTN-MSY is in the air. There was a half hour delay and I wonder if the TSA magnetometer was down again, as it was yesterday. That and two power
204 mesaflyguy : I can almost guarantee that, if he is flying into MSY today, he is on the flight. It's a good image both in the sense that he is supporting the local
205 GentFromAlaska : That's right Trenton being the State Capital would be Governor "C" day-to-day offices. Several Governors of Alaska use to fly AS into and out of June
206 Post contains links and images mariner : I think it would be a smart move on his part, too - and coming back on Monday?: http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...gov_christie_to_spend_weekend.
207 jerseyguy : The TSA magnetometer (metal detector) was down on Tuesday night too. It was up on Monday night though, I was treated to a TSA patdown. Flights always
208 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I was actually searching for any terminal size criteria in the FAA Part 139 which governs airport certification. i.e. does a terminal have to be of a
209 F9animal : This may have already been mentioned... Who is doing the ramp in TTN? Is it F9 staff by chance? As for delays... Not a big deal yet. Totally expected
210 jerseyguy : I'm not 100% sure but I think it was mentioned that it was outsourced.
211 onaclearday : The inaugural flight from TTN to MSY had a few hiccups but in general went quite well. As for the late departure, there was no talk of problems with s
212 mesaflyguy : Also on a side note, for me this is especially cool, but N949FR (Erma the Ermine) was the aircraft to fly the inaugural TPA and RSW routes out of TTN.
213 GentFromAlaska : In my mind when all of the already announced flight activity comes on-line April 9; F9 would have enough flights in and out of TTN to justify their o
214 Post contains images mariner : Thanks for clearing that up. It's a pity - as I said, it would have been great p.r. The first TTN-FLL is in the air and that completes the Florida bu
215 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Into the Spring and Summer one of those dots should be a way to connect TTN (mid Altantic) to BLI on Friday and Saturday. According to the route map
216 n917me : The whole TTN operation will be handled by Worldwide Flight Services. F9 is currently staffing above wing, which will end soon as the staff from world
217 Post contains links smoot4208 : http://www.menafn.com/menafn/32042cb...rlando-flights-in-April?src=MWHEAD F9 confirms it is ending MCO-SHD flights on 07Apr. It says it is a seasonal
218 GentFromAlaska : This proves a theory of sorts. If you build it they will come. "People have come from as far way as Winchester, Charlottesville and even the west end
219 GentFromAlaska : Without getting into any trouble; does anybody have a way to capture the numbers of how many people may have drove up from the greater Baltimore area
220 Post contains links mariner : GRR is planning a "major sir service" announcement tomorrow - Monday 2/4: http://fox17online.com/2013/02/02/gr...announcement-monday/#axzz2Jo59Ar9H It
221 jerseyguy : I saw WFS personnel unloading bags (or atleast they had WFS orange safety vests) for my flight today from MCO Also I heard from the FO that the jetwa
222 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Its also picking up play in SEA http://www.seattlepi.com/news/articl...ing-major-announcement-4247341.php And in ATL http://www.ajc.com/news/ap/trans
223 GentFromAlaska : It looks like Disney cruises is bringing a ship around to begin Alaska cruises from YVR in the 2013 season. I don't believe Disney sailed to Alaska la
224 smoot4208 : UA already flies DEN-GRR as well. I doubt the route can sustain 3 carriers. IMO, F9 shouldn't be shocked if in the near future WN decides to start DE
225 Post contains images mariner : Yes, I think if Southwest does start DEN-GRR, then DEN-DSM is only a matter of time. I don't necessarily think Frontier should drop 'em all - DEN-SEA
226 Post contains links mariner : GRR-DEN it is, on Southwest. Meanwhile - I'm not a Tech Wallah, but I assume this is good news: http://www.aviationtoday.com/the-che...Procedures_784
227 stlgph : Frontier just announced Harrisburg - Denver and Knoxville - Denver. 3 weekly flights from each city to Denver, April 22 start.
228 Flytravel : It takes longer than that from Baltimore/BWI region to TTN. More like 2.5 hours to 3.0 hours. Perhaps 2 hours even, if originated from the White Mars
229 Flytravel : MDT-DEN was flown last season. F9 should also consider MDT-FLL. It was flown by FL for some time. It'd help build up it's overall service in MDT, so
230 smoot4208 : Looks like F9 has had a change of heart....COS-LAX/PHX are ending for good as well. LAX ends in late Feb as planned and now, does not return for the s
231 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Thanks for posting Mariner. Not to steal your thunder. You made my day. Juneau can't be to far away now. For those who may want to read more about RN
232 mcg : My question is: do F9 pilots have any special training before the operate into or out of TTN? None of them have ever operated there and I wonder if th
233 slcdeltarumd11 : way too much of a weight restriction on such a short runway
234 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : This FAA state by state listing of airports https://sites.google.com/site/ilsapproaches/Home/nj shows TTN http://skyvector.com/airport/TTN/Trenton-Me
235 Post contains images rampart : oooh! You aren't talking political baggage, are you? Too bad, though. It would have been great PR for all involved. I once shared a TranStates ERJ wi
236 SANFan : Question about TTN and F9. There have been lots of threads and discussion about the subject and I've tried to skim as much as possible but my concern
237 Post contains links mariner : Frontier isn't. Frontier has said that while it is okay with some remodelling work on the old terminal, it doesn't want to pay extra charges for any
238 SANFan : Thanks M. I guess we don't have another LGB then -- at least at this point in time! Interesting. bb
239 smoot4208 : Once they decided to end COS-DEN, COS-LAX/PHX never made sense. They had no way to get airplanes to/from COS, so on the days that LAX/PHX-COS were go
240 smoot4208 : Looks like MDT moves up 1 week, and TYS 4 weeks Like I've said for a while now, I won't be surprised one bit if they announce DEN-JNU.
241 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : I think were singing from the same sheet of music. If it were to come to fruition and was offered less than daily why not try DEN-BLI-JNU on Friday's
242 n7371f : Trenton is insane to spend money on Frontier. Currently they're putting down and pulling out faster than Spirit or Allegiant. Should the service stic
243 Post contains images mariner : I think you must have misread my post. mariner
244 slcdeltarumd11 : I agree Trenton would be insane to spend money on frontier. Any look at their history should make people realize they go thru focus cities faster than
245 F9animal : Hate to agree N7371f, but you are correct. The route map has become bipolar. Trenton should hold off before trusting F9. A minimum of a year or two. C
246 mariner : Are none of your reading what has been posted here? mariner
247 kingcavalier : People obviously haven't read what F9 said in regards to any huge terminal improvements at TTN. F9 went on record as saying they were fine with minima
248 FRNT787 : Exactly, TTN works because of low costs. Frontier can simply not afford to stick it out in an unprofitable route for a year to make it work. Nor shou
249 smoot4208 : While that model works, like G4 does with entering/exiting markets, there is also reward for developing a market, and that takes time. The longer the
250 FRNT787 : I do not disagree. I believe Trenton gives them the ability to wait it out. They can cherry pick the markets there that work, trim the fat on ones th
251 enilria : LOL I do think that a place like TTN doesn't get many chances to get more than nothing, so regardless of whether it is a long shot they are essential
252 rampart : I think I agree with you. But, in your analysis, what are the ways in which this differs from the COS experiment? Let me first eliminate one: COS was
253 GentFromAlaska : While I would agree if its were SHD or COU lets give TTN a fair shake. F9 now or will be on April 9 offer service from TTN to ATL, CMH, DTW FLL MDW,
254 FRNT787 : The market overlap is a huge part of it in my opinion. TTN by default is an improvement because it doesn't have it. I don't know that TTN specificall
255 jerseyguy : For one thing TTN has twice the amount of people within a 35-40 minute drive. Philadelphia and Newark are more crowded and delay prone than DEN.
256 Post contains links iowaman : Please continue posting if you so desire in Part 41: New Frontier Part 41 (by iowaman Feb 6 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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