Cactus105 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 57 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10564 times:
I wonder if this was an east or west airplane.. And i would also like to see the damage as there doesn't seem to be much info at this time ! At least everyone is O.K.
cotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 204 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9112 times:
I don't understand how he hit it if it was on the remote spot. He had to have gone way off the taxi line to hit it. I've seen Condor with the 763 taxi behind there with planes on remote.
mesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 708 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9000 times:
That could be a possibility. I flew NK out of LGA a few weeks ago at night and I observed the lighting on the side of the taxiway get a bit closer than normal for about a minute before the plane made a sharp-feeling merge left, so I guess the pilot corrected himself pretty quickly. However, I don't think we got far enough off-center to have hit another aircraft if there had been one.
twincommander From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8707 times:
looks like its just superficial damage to the APU cowl. swap the cowls i would bet and all should be well. then again, that picture doesnt really show the meat and taters of the damage.
Quoting Cactus105 (Reply 4): Ahh Dang .. 679 thats one of the newer ones!! I wouldn't have complained if it would've been one of the dirty dozen.. with A1 IAE's haha
I have a feeling the day will come pretty quickly ! Especially with all the new 321's we are getting. But hey, who knows. A 320 had an APU fire at the gate in PHX on Christmas Eve or the day before, ship 624 IIRC. Leakin fuel everywhere apparently. No good ! Those frames with A1 's have a few hours on em .
wn676 From Bosnia and Herzegovina, joined Jun 2005, 845 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6811 times:
Quoting Cactus105 (Reply 8): I have a feeling the day will come pretty quickly ! Especially with all the new 321's we are getting. But hey, who knows. A 320 had an APU fire at the gate in PHX on Christmas Eve or the day before, ship 624 IIRC. Leakin fuel everywhere apparently. No good ! Those frames with A1 's have a few hours on em .
That was 627. Went back in to service the next day. They just won't go away!
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usairways16BWI From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1003 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6701 times:
Any pics of the NK A320? I'm sure the damage to the wingtip fence is minor though.
a36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 84 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5371 times:
What would the pilot's do just after hitting another parked plane, beside the obvious curse words, do they just stop as quick as they can and shut everything down and PA the cabin and call the tower? I imagine their reaction would be more than Ooops sorry bout that..be interested to know
TZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1419 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5017 times:
Spirit Completes Preliminary Investigation on Flight 403
mesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 708 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2847 times:
I'd also like to see some pics of that one. I want to know how the US plane had so much damage yet the NK plane returned to service "hours later". An impact like that had to have left some decent danage on ths NK too.
Maverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 4744 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2687 times:
Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 18):
I'd also like to see some pics of that one. I want to know how the US plane had so much damage yet the NK plane returned to service "hours later". An impact like that had to have left some decent danage on ths NK too.
Nah... looks like the wingtip fence cut through the bottom of the tailcone. Do a check of the nuts and bolts, remove and CDL the fence (or replace it if you have a spare), and Bob's your uncle
twincommander From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2538 times:
Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 18): I'd also like to see some pics of that one. I want to know how the US plane had so much damage yet the NK plane returned to service "hours later". An impact like that had to have left some decent danage on ths NK too.
apu cowl is very lightly built compared to the wingtip fence, and wing for that matter.
you can remove the fence per CDL and fly with restrictions. havent seen one yet though.
b757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1236 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2384 times:
Aircraft was ferried to BHM for heavy maintenance repair.
Sounds like it could be out for a few weeks.
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TZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1419 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2371 times:
I think you might mean BFM in Mobile as ST Aerospace is there. There is no MRO in BHM.
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OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2966 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2331 times:
Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 5): I don't understand how he hit it if it was on the remote spot. He had to have gone way off the taxi line to hit it. I've seen Condor with the 763 taxi behind there with planes on remote.
I'm at a loss as to how the pilot flying could've clipped an aircraft when there's so much room to spare on that taxiway.
UA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2303 times:
I guess NK pax get what they pay tod. A few quick jostles and bumps might be in order for such a low fare.
Maybe it's a plan to try and take out competitors' aircraft.
But seriously, how does one pull a 320 that far over and not correct it? That taxiway isn't really all that tiny
mesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 708 posts, RR: 1 Reply 25, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2318 times:
beechtobus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 179 posts, RR: 0 Reply 26, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2258 times:
"Hmm, seems to me like there would be more time required for a proper investigation and inspection. I guess those workers down in FLL work fast! "
And that's why it's called a prelimary investigation, sure' an in depth investigation would take a little longer but I'm sure initial fact finding can amply be done in 2 days.
"I'm also wondering how they wouldn't realize they were so far off center"
A little jumping to conclusions here, that they were off center. The RON parking pads were extremely full in FLL on the night of the 31st due to reduced schedules for most airlines for New Year's Eve/day. The preliminary investigation determined that the Spirit was on centerline, and the USAirways was not properly parked on the aux/ron pad. That part of taxiway T is a very dark at night, but none the less, on a controlled taxiway, you are guaranteed separation from parked aircraft if cleared onto a particular taxiway.
mesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 708 posts, RR: 1 Reply 27, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1897 times:
Quoting beechtobus (Reply 26): The RON parking pads were extremely full in FLL on the night of the 31st due to reduced schedules for most airlines for New Year's Eve/day
I didn't think of that. My apologies.
Quoting beechtobus (Reply 26): USAirways was not properly parked on the aux/ron pad.
Even with the full pad, I'm thinking they were off center. Less so than needed to hit anything normally, but I just don't think the US airways plane was sticking far into the taxiway. By the sounds of it, the US plane had been there at least a little while and probably passed by at least a few other taxiing planes.
Just speculation, but I don't see how NK would hit it without going off the center line a bit.
winstonlegthigh From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 40 posts, RR: 0 Reply 29, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1839 times:
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 16): This guy didn't stop too quick.
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I'm at a loss as to how the pilot flying could've clipped an aircraft when there's so much room to spare on that taxiway.
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