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Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6573 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6439 times:

With a merger between AA and US becoming closer to reality, I think now is the time to discuss on what will be the fate of domestic IFE on AA if they are bought out by US.

AA has announced that its new domestic aircraft deliveries will come with AVOD from the factory. US Airways, on the other hand, does not offer any IFE on any domestic flight, even on aircraft equipped with AVOD (I was on a US A330 on December 22nd on CLT-SJU and they didn't let us use the IFE, not even the moving map). Knowing Doug Parker's arrogance and historical anti-customer views, I am a little concerned that he will order IFE to be removed from all of AA's domestic aircraft.

While I don't fly AA nor US as much as I fly DL, I would at least hope that under US Airways' management that the new AA would keep IFE on its domestic aircraft. I am glad that DL chose to keep domestic IFE when they merged with NW, however, Richard Anderson seems to care more for the customers than Doug Parker does.


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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6490 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6274 times:

I would say that in a possible merger between AA/US , one of the last issues to be discussed would be the IFE plans for all aircraft. I would bet that no one at either AA or US has even thought about it nor are they likely to any time soon

User currently onlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12119 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6182 times:
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Since US and HP still don't have there house in order from that merger, I wouldm't start calling this a done deal just yet.


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6102 times:

Currently, the IFE policy on US is only flights to Hawaii, South America, Europe, and the Middle East will receive IFE. In a merger, I would bet that we might see pre-merger AA aircraft keep their IFE while pre-merger US aircraft would not receive IFE.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I was on a US A330 on December 22nd on CLT-SJU and they didn't let us use the IFE, not even the moving map

Did they use the moving map on the overhead monitors? And on these flights, as well as PHL-SJU, CLT-MCO, and PHL-CLT, First passengers usually are allowed to use the IFE.



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6065 times:

Hope USAirways doesn't scrap AA AVOD plans! I wouldn't keep my hopes up!

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

With UA and DL making domestic IFE including WiFi and Satellite TV commonplace, in addition to the smaller airlines like B6, VX, F9 also having it, I think AA/US would seriously consider having it. WN would be the only other major airline without personal IFE (AS only has it for sale on transcons), but we all know people have different expectations on WN and I don’t consider Allegiant or Spirit as legitimate competitors to AA/US.


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User currently offlineboberito6589 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

Don't forget that US did decide last year to install Wifi on A319/320/321 and E190/175/170s, the wifi installation is almost complete and soon the Airbi will also be equipped with GoGo Vision which gives you AVOD for a fee. IFE on US isnt completely nonexistent!   

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5891 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 4):
Hope USAirways doesn't scrap AA AVOD plans! I wouldn't keep my hopes up!

However, knowing Doug Parker's arrogance and historical anti-customer views, I would say that it has a significant chance of happening.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
With a merger between AA and US becoming closer to reality,

Source? It's actually looking less and less likely every day that it will happen short term and under US' terms and more and more likely it will happen long term and be dictated by AMR.

Further, the most recent proposal has AMR shareholders getting 80% to US Airways getting 20%. So, explain to me, how exactly does this mean US will be in charge?

Regardless, to answer the question: AA's IFE plans will remain. That's a given. I think even somebody has anti-customer as Parker knows there's a big problem being the largest airline and lacking the most basic of amenities.

[Edited 2013-01-02 14:14:15]


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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5573 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):

Where is your source to that latest proposal ?


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5522 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
It's actually looking less and less likely every day that it will happen short term and under US' terms and more and more likely it will happen long term and be dictated by AMR.

I sure hope your right. I personally think that AA wants to be industry leading in terms of yield and passenger ammenities. I like my AA just as it is and believe it will get better over time if left to emerge on its own.
AA does not need to mess around with a merger, or get side tracked by one.


User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

The proposal has not gone up from 70/30 to 80/20 . That simply is not true . I don't know where your getting that from but there is no validity to it whatsoever .

User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5245 times:

They'll keep it. If WN has it, they certainly will want to keep it.


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User currently onlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3181 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4924 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I was on a US A330 on December 22nd on CLT-SJU and they didn't let us use the IFE, not even the moving map

Did they use the moving map on the overhead monitors? And on these flights, as well as PHL-SJU, CLT-MCO, and PHL-CLT, First passengers usually are allowed to use the IFE.

  

Incorrect. At least for their SJU-CLT/PHL. I've flown both on first and on coach aboard their 757s and 767s (curiously I have yet to fly on their A330s) and there's no IFE whatsoever for any of the classes.

Odds are that on the CLT-MCO and PHL-CLT legs, if they use A330/757/767s they don't offer IFE either to any of the classes of service.



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User currently offlineAAplat4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4904 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
However, knowing Doug Parker's arrogance and historical anti-customer views, I would say that it has a significant chance of happening.

Not necessarily taking exception to the statement, I can point to several instances of other airlines' arrogance and historical anti-customer views. The question for the decision makers here is whether Parker has what it takes to run a global carrier. Perhaps not, but I've asked the same things about AA's management as well many times. One outcome that would be interesting to see would be a merger with a new CEO (other than Parker or Horton).

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
Further, the most recent proposal has AMR shareholders getting 80% to US Airways getting 20%. So, explain to me, how exactly does this mean US will be in charge?

Actually, AMR shareholders will get nothing and AMR creditors will get an equity stake in the combined carrier of an amount that I suspect is being negotiated. From what we read, the proposal involves putting Parker in charger. However, that is subject to negotiation just like everything else.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 10):
I personally think that AA wants to be industry leading in terms of yield and passenger ammenities. I like my AA just as it is and believe it will get better over time if left to emerge on its own.
AA does not need to mess around with a merger, or get side tracked by one.

AA will not be large enough to compete against United and Delta on its own. A merger with US will give it a much better network and facilitate AA's push into international markets. US is not a perfect merger candidate, but who is?


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 14):
A merger with US will give it a much better network and facilitate AA's push into international markets.

What network?? A hub at DCA filled with low yielding government fares?? PHL which will bleed revenue off JFK?? CLT?? or PHX all low yielding hubs? AA does not have to be the biggest to complete.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4822 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 13):
Incorrect. At least for their SJU-CLT/PHL. I've flown both on first and on coach aboard their 757s and 767s (curiously I have yet to fly on their A330s) and there's no IFE whatsoever for any of the classes.

This is on the A330 only.



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User currently offlineArcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4812 times:
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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4075 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 15):
What network?? A hub at DCA filled with low yielding government fares?? PHL which will bleed revenue off JFK??

Yeah, DCA and PHL are low-yielding trash markets. Really?


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

All these new merged legacies are offering IFE and more amenities. AA will be the larger entitiy anyway. I don't think I would worry about this.


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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 822 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 15):
What network?? A hub at DCA filled with low yielding government fares?? PHL which will bleed revenue off JFK?? CLT?? or PHX all low yielding hubs?

I agree on PHL and PHX, but you are totally wrong on DCA and CLT.

DCA: On every person flying in and out of DCA on a government fare you can bet 10 lobbyists are flying in and out of DCA, too. Then you have members of the news agencies and companies around Washington.

CLT: Second largest financial center in the USA after NYC. Bank of America and Wells Fargo are headquartered there, together with another 15 Fortune 500 and endless other larger companies.


User currently offlinelostsound From Canada, joined May 2012, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

If a US/AA merger occurs, I'd expect AA's product will survive along with the brand.

Remember, all AA's A32X aircraft ordered will be fit with AAs new cabin which includes IFE. I think it would make lots of sense to see all of US's A32X get retrofitted with the same cabin.

I don't think that IFE will be compromised in this merger scenario.



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User currently offlinemax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
AA has announced that its new domestic aircraft deliveries will come with AVOD from the factory.

Has AA confirmed the details of the new IFE? Will it be on all the new aircraft deliveres or just a select group (i.e. trasncon A321s)? And will it be nose-to-tail AVOD or just up front?



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6490 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
However, knowing Doug Parker's arrogance and historical anti-customer views, I would say that it has a significant chance of happening.

Have you ever met Parker? I'bet not. Can you give us examples of his arrogance or historical anti customer views?


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 23):
Have you ever met Parker? I'bet not. Can you give us examples of his arrogance or historical anti customer views?

The hostile takeover offer of Delta is one key example. He only made the offer to eliminate a competitor while completely ignoring loyal Delta customers. This wouldn't have done any good for customers; Doug Parker made this offer out of pure greed.

[Edited 2013-01-03 08:15:42]


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25 luv2fly : He doesn't owe anything to the customer, he answer to his share holders.
26 bobnwa : Have you ever met Parker? I'bet not. Can you give us examples of his arrogance or historical anti customer views? no quoteing airline pilot central
27 JFKPurser : In a few weeks, once the merger is announced, based on your current and historical perception of the chain of events that has led AA/US to their curr
28 sccutler : USAirways won't call the shots in any event.
29 mah4546 : Not as funny as your disappearing act if the merger isn't announced. I'd stop being too confident about it - the finances of AA right now don't prefe
30 JoePatroni707 : mah4546 is spot on.... The only thing a US/AA merger will do is pull both carriers down. It would probably lead to approximately 15,000 job cuts. AA
31 Post contains links JoePatroni707 : Also an interesting website.... about Doug and the merger http://firedougparker.org/
32 JFKPurser : People on this forum are living in an alternate universe.
33 mah4546 : Are you trying to say that if US/AA merge, there won't be significant cutbacks in flying and staffing levels? Because if so, you are living in an alt
34 milemaster : To yours, yes.
35 JFKPurser : I actually never said any of that. Everything you describe could very well happen if AA remained a standalone airline. AA has already cut staffing le
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