mesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2310 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 23241 times:
Interesting, I still never understood why Skymark ordered the a380. They seem like too small of an airline to warrant such a big plane. But, I guess if you tap into the right market, which JFK-TYO is probably a big-enough market for them, they can make some money.
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LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24121 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 22749 times:
Actually they have not decided on the capacity configuration -
Their application specifically states -- "The final seating configuration of each A380 in Skymark's fleet has not been determined. Skymark anticipates making a decision on the configuration by mid 2013."
If they are indeed pursuing a lower cost model for these flights, I would think they would have a relative dense configuration.
Also regarding the market - NYC-TYO has about 500,000 local annual O&D travelers.
Yes its a declining market (like much of US-Japan), but for the right price I am sure they should be able to stimulate demand.
With a cheap enough price NYC can be a wonderful shopping, or weekend trip for the Japanese, especially the younger crowd which would be more open to a LCC concept.
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travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 22179 times:
Quoting keuleatr72 (Reply 4): IIRC, Skymark will operate the A380 with around 400 seats. I think you mean Air Austral. They have chosen to equip their birds with 800 seats.
As LAXIntl said, if Skymark is going for the mass market budget traveler, they're going to have to configure the plane with way more than 400 seats. If AF can fit 516 seats on their A380, I would think Skymark would be able to put at least 550 if not 600+...
NYC-Tokyo seems like a tough market to break into for an airline that has little to no brand awareness in the US, and several entrenched competitors already serving it.
MEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 21235 times:
I think the whole idea of Skymark operating A380s is extremely bizarre, especially if the A380 ends up having a large-sized premium cabin (more than 50 seats). I expect premium pax in Japan would have strong loyalty towards JL+NH, and 99% of premium pax (or all pax for that matter) in the US haven't even heard of Skymark.
Didn't the company even decide to shut down its Osaka Kansai operation? They can't even make a market the size of Osaka work?
Hawaii-Tokyo is probably the only market I think might work for Skymark, with A330-300 aircraft in an "Air Asia X-type" configuration.
Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7934 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20952 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6): With a cheap enough price NYC can be a wonderful shopping, or weekend trip for the Japanese, especially the younger crowd which would be more open to a LCC concept.
One of the largest travel agencies in Japan, H.I.S, has a ~30% stake in Skymark, so that is probably the only leg standing under the table of their business plan. But Japanese consumers are increasingly moving away from consolidators in recent years, so this doesn't seem like a sure bet at all.
phxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 827 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20712 times:
This has train wreck written all over it. Business travelers are going to stick with NH, JL, UA DL etc who can offer them an expanded network and perks. That leaves the low yield budget traveler. I wish them luck - they are going to need every bit of it.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6812 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20558 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): Skymark states is desires to introduce service between Tokyo Narita and New York JFK utilizing A380 aircraft during the second half of 2014.
buddy of mine is currently training to be an A380 pilot and he said that he should be taking the 380 to JFK for "proving routes" once they get it delivered. It should be the first routes utilized by Skymark's A380s.
Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 2): Isn't Skymark planning to configure the A380 pretty much to the maximum capacity, i.e. 800+ seats? Can there be that much LCC demand for TYO-NYC?
They may be a LCC but they are marketing this as the most luxurious route to the US. I'm not sure how well this is going to do, but the Japanese business community seems enthused about it. I hope the price is right; I'm currently doing research right now on how much this is going to be. Obviously Skymark is not allowed marketing a price until the DOT gives them permission.
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