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JFK-EA L10 That Almost Crashed Before EA 66  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6964 posts, RR: 21
Posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11280 times:

OK, here's a strange question.

About 4 years ago, I was having a discussion with a co-worker and he was telling me that he was on a flight into JFK during a heavy thunderstorm. They dropped violently and then the engines punched in and the pilot said they were heading to EWR. When they got off the plane, they saw on the TV that a plane had crashed @ JFK......obviously, Eastern 66.

From my knowledge, a Flying Tigers DC-8 reported a very strong wind shear along the approach to 22L. Then an Eastern L-1011 nearly crashed before heading to EWR. Two more planes landed before Eastern 66 began its ill-fated approach.

So, I'm wondering if my co-worker was on that Eastern L-1011. He said he was coming from the Bahamas. Was the Eastern L-1011 the only divert to EWR before the crash? I couldn't quite tell from the story if they diverted because of weather or the crash itself. Anyone know where that L-1011 was coming from.....because if it was NAS, that would confirm my suspicion.

[Edited 2013-01-02 16:57:00]


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User currently offlinePassedV1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11263 times:

When there is a major accident at an airport, the entire airport is closed for at least several hours so I can gurantee you that there were numerous diverts, probably many to EWR, AFTER the crash.

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6964 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11223 times:

Quoting PassedV1 (Reply 1):

Good point......I brain-farted on that.   I edited it out.



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User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1940 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11073 times:

I am 99 percent sure the L1011 that went missed was coming from Mexico City.

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7245 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10656 times:
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Quoting Cody (Reply 3):
I am 99 percent sure the L1011 that went missed was coming from Mexico City.

Not to be picky, but EA´s L1011s could not make it to JFK from MEX. They had to do MEX-ACA-JFK


User currently offlineCairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10249 times:

Flew JFK to MEX on an EA L-1011 back in 1985. It indeed was a nonstop (flight 901 down and 900 back). The ACA part was a continuation from Mexico City.

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 10266 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10068 times:

Me too. I flew JFK-MEX-ACA as well, in 1982,

but that accident you are writing about here, wasn't that an EA 727-225 that crashed off Rockaway Blvd in 1975?

EA66 came from MSY inbound for JFK and that was def. not a L10, I happened to be in my office at JFK that day and vaguely remember that.



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User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1940 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10028 times:

There was a Flying Tigers DC-8 and an Eastern L1011 that went around just prior to the Eastern 727 (flight 66) crash. The Flying Tigers DC-8 Captain insisted that they change runways. He testified in the NTSB hearings.

The Eastern L1011 was coming from Mexico City.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 10266 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9977 times:

OK, Cody, now the opening makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.


GDL go to hell
User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2333 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9708 times:

The August, 1977 issue of National Geographic has a lengthy article about air safety. The article's focus is on the EA 727 crash at JFK, and includes quotes from the pilot of the EA L-1011 that was ahead of the ill-fated 727.

The cover of the magazine shows a picture of an L-1011 over the California coast, taken from a tail mounted camera.

I highly recommend buying this magazine on Ebay if you want to learn more about the EA 66 crash!



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User currently offlineEASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 683 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 6150 times:

On the day 66 crashed, I was on the QE2 heading to England. I was traveling with the F/A Base Manager based at ORD. I was the Dining Services Mgr at the time.Each of us had a F/C cabin next to each other. Of course there was no CNN, internet etc. The only info we had was the daily newspaper under the door. We'll I got mine first and the front page was all about Eastern. Of course he freeked as we didn't know what crew base the F/A's were from. He wanted to find a way to get off the ship. Right! In the middle of the Atlantic!!!! Well we went to the crew and he was able to call his office and found out they were based in NY, I think. I also remember working as a F/A on this flight, actually as an extra pair of hands, as I never qualified, so was just a manager on board. We were trying a new service and flight 66's flying time and time of day was perfect. I think it before the crash. Yes, a new service with upgraded coach and F/C meals and service. Crystal and china! I also got to ride the cockpit jumpseat.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 27365 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 4):
Not to be picky, but EA´s L1011s could not make it to JFK from MEX. They had to do MEX-ACA-JFK

EA timetables show L-1011s operating nonstop MEX-JFK.


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1298 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 5950 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 4):
Not to be picky, but EA´s L1011s could not make it to JFK from MEX. They had to do MEX-ACA-JFK

It's 2100 miles. Why the hell not?!



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User currently offlinea318 From Bahamas, joined Jan 2008, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

Was there a movie made about this crash? I vaguely remember watching something on TV when I was a little boy about a plane crashing on the beach near JFK.


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6964 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 4901 times:

Quoting a318 (Reply 13):

Based on your age, I'd say no-------but then again, we're talking about JFK, so take your pick:

Eastern 66
American 1
American 587
Avianca 52
TWA 800
Egyptair 990
Swissair 111
Eastern 663
TWA 843--doubt it

also, you may have confused it with LGA--------big list there also

[Edited 2013-01-03 15:10:20]


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User currently offlinen318ea From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

I worked the 900-901 as a F/A in 1978 and it did indeed go JFK-MEX-ACA. Wonderful layover in Acapulco.

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12932 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months ago) and read 3581 times:

I was just reading the report on the crash, which is linked to this Wiki page; it makes very interesting reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines_Flight_66

As well as the Flying Tigers DC8 and the Eastern L1011, there was also a Finnair DC10 (which would have been very new to the airline at the time, since they were only delivered in early '75) and a light aircraft. All of the commercial aircraft had their recorders checked by the NTSB.

Although a tragic incident, a lot of lessons were learned from the crash of EA 66 and indeed, from the crash of DL 191, a decade later (which had a much more advanced FDR, which yielded valuable info to investigators).

Thankfully, such accidents are very rare and airlines are very much more aware (and of course, their crews too) of the dangers of windshear.


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3430 times:

My friend Jim was there the day of the crash. He was on his way to JFK when the bird went over
and he saw the fireball. He knew it would be a bad day at work. Sad.

I was in the office one day during heavy thunderstorms, and he turned around in his chair and
told me about it. It was shocking. First person I knew who watched a plane crash.



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