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Scandinavian Aviation 2013 - Part 1  
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 4142 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 39906 times:

Happy new year, and time for a new thread.

Norwegian's next 737, LN-NGH, is scheduled to be delivered next week. With another (leased) aircraft, LN-NIC, to arrive in week four. Assembly of their first 787 should start towards the end of the month.

SAS is continuing with their MD-80 replacement. Two aircrafts, LN-RMO and OY-KGT, should be ferried to OSL for preparations before being sent to the US. After the summer season, only five MDs will be left, and in December 2013, the last three aircrafts will be parked.

So far only one A320 is in traffic, but the next one, OY-KAM, should start operating out of CPH mid-February. Next new 737-800, LN-NGC, is expected towards the end of January

[Edited 2013-01-03 04:02:43]

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User currently offlinedowntown273 From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 39770 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Thread starter):

So far only one A320 is in traffic

I have a few flights booked with SAS in January that apparently are operated by A320s:

- 07JAN CPH-ARN SK 402
- 15JAN CPH-DUB SK 2537
- 22JAN CPH-AMS SK 2551

Does this mean they're all operated by the very same aircraft, if there is only 1 in traffic?

User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 39752 times:

Three short months until SK starts their new service into SFO. This has been a long time in coming.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 4142 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 39319 times:

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 1):
Does this mean they're all operated by the very same aircraft, if there is only 1 in traffic?

As far as I know: Yes

But I have no idea when the two ex-Spanair aircrafts that has been painted into SAS colours and currently being stored/in maintenance/modification will be ready for traffic, and neither does any of my sources.

Right now, SAS is parking the MDs (also think a few 737CL just was withdrawn from service) a lot faster than new aircrafts are coming in. However, this is not a problem as January/February is a quiet period and the utilization rate of the MDs/CLs are rather low. So instead of having many parked aircrafts this winter, they simply reduced this by timing the withdrawal and deliveries of new aircrafts.

However, the assumption of approximately one A320 delivered on average per month, shouldn't too far off. In addition to 1 737-800, in January, April, May and June, + one more in H2 2013. And probably two 737-700s sometimes during this year, with four more following in 2014, together with the two last -800s on order from GECAS. I've heard April for the A340 from Airbus/LAN. But as usual: All this is subject to change  

User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 1581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 38956 times:

SAS and Air France accuses Ryanair of manipulation of take-off fees:


Like a thunderbolt of lightning the Dragon roars across the sky. Il Drago Ruggente
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 4142 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 38600 times:

2012 passenger number for OSL


Total: 22.080.433 +4,6%
Domestic: 10.283.789 +2,2%
International : 11.796.647 +6,1% (International charter growing 10,7%)

User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3799 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 38379 times:

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 4):

From The Local's article:

“Ryanair has a policy of not commenting on rumour or speculation."


"There is no truth to these claims. Ryanair’s 737 aircraft operate [at different certified weights] in full compliance with Boeing’s flex-weight programme, as certified and approved by the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA),” spokesman Stephen Mcnamara said.

Dunno, that sounds like a comment to me...   


Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 38184 times:

Thai Airways with change of aircraft to ARN and increase to 9 weekly from CPH.

Bangkok – Copenhagen 05JUL13 – 18AUG13 Service increases from daily to 9 weekly, TG952/953 operates with new 2-class Boeing 777-300ER*
TG950 BKK0120 – 0740CPH 744 D
TG952 BKK1300 – 1320CPH 77W 57

TG951 CPH1425 – 0600+1BKK 744 D
TG953 CPH2130 – 1305+1BKK 77W 57

Bangkok – Stockholm eff 16JUL13 New 2-class Boeing 777-300ER* replaces Boeing 747-400. Currently TG is displaying 777-300ER operation in Winter 2013/14 season, on/after 27OCT13
TG960 BKK0110 – 0700ARN 77W D
TG961 ARN1430 – 0550+1BKK 77W D

*THAI’s 2-class Boeing 777-300ER will be sold as 3-class, as 42-seater Royal Silk Class (Business Class) is sold as 24 Business and 16 Premium Economy.

There are also planned further changes from Scandinavia with Thai. I guess we will know in a few days now when they have started uploding their new schedule.

[Edited 2013-01-10 02:18:26]

User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 38171 times:

Duplicatre. To be deleted.

[Edited 2013-01-10 02:17:17]

User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 5002 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 37982 times:

Norwegian's first of 14 Boeing 737 800 to be delivered this year has just touched down iat OSL. First of 14 737 800's and there is also 3 787 800 to be delivered this year. Something to look forward to for sure  

User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1085 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 37875 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 7):
Bangkok – Copenhagen 05JUL13 – 18AUG13 Service increases from daily to 9 weekly, TG952/953 operates with new 2-class Boeing 777-300ER*
TG950 BKK0120 – 0740CPH 744 D
TG952 BKK1300 – 1320CPH 77W 57

TG952 sure is pushing the top speed for a 77W. BKK-CPH in 5 hour and 20 mins.

[Edited 2013-01-10 11:27:41]

User currently offlineB735 From Estonia, joined Oct 2010, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 37805 times:

Here's the correct schedule:

TG950 BKK0120 – 0740CPH 744 D
TG952 BKK1300 – 1920CPH 77W 57

TG951 CPH1425 – 0600+1BKK 744 D
TG953 CPH2130 – 1305+1BKK 77W 57


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 4142 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 37630 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 7):
There are also planned further changes from Scandinavia with Thai

Seems like all flights BKK-CPH will be with 777-300ER


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 4142 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 37543 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 9):
Norwegian's first of 14 Boeing 737 800 to be delivered this year has just touched down iat OSL. First of 14 737 800's

The next one, LN-NIC (L/N 4316 C/N 38881 Leased from ACG) is following just behind and had its first flight at Renton yesterday.

The next one for SAS, LN-RGC (c/n 41257 l/n 4321) is following just behind, and should have its first flight within a week or so

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 4142 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 37157 times:

SAS will in the S13 schedule use Cimber on 80 out of 90x weekly flights between CPH and AAR, as their ATR72s are a more suitable aircrafts on most of the flights on this route


User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 10141 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 36922 times:

Can't say this headline surprises me at all, kinda makes me happy to.

Norwegian Air loses bid for cheaper crews, for now

The Norwegian government has rejected a proposal that would allow Norway’s low-fare carrier Norwegian Air and other airlines to employ Asian residents on Norwegian-registed aircraft and compensate them with Asian-level pay and benefits, which generally are much lower than Norwegian levels. The decision is a blow to Norwegian Air’s plans for low-cost global expansion.

The rest of the article can be read here

User currently offlineHarmonium From Denmark, joined Feb 2012, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 36758 times:

Any ideas as to how the 787-problems will interfere with Norwegians schedule on long-hauls?

User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2875 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 36704 times:

Any news regarding NORDIC AIR SWEDEN: http://www.airsweden.aero

According to their PR from November 23rd 2012(!!):
Air Sweden is starting a scheduled flight operation based in Umeå. In February next year, direct Flights will start between Umeå and London, Frankfurt, Paris. At the same time, Flights between Umeå and Arvidsjaur, Gällivare, Hemavan will start. This will provide all of northern Sweden with access to the large European cities through direct flights.


Is their first EMB-195 "on approach": http://news.airsweden.aero/wordpress...12/11/PRESS-RELEASE-12-11-23-1.pdf

So, wouldn't it be time to start ticket sales or to publish a timetable?

[Edited 2013-01-17 02:47:56]

User currently offlineCO38 From Norway, joined May 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 36590 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 15):
Norwegian Air loses bid for cheaper crews, for now

The Norwegian government has rejected a proposal that would allow Norway’s low-fare carrier Norwegian Air and other airlines to employ Asian residents on Norwegian-registed aircraft and compensate them with Asian-level pay and benefits, which generally are much lower than Norwegian levels. The decision is a blow to Norwegian Air’s plans for low-cost global expansion.

Thank God for that!

Of course BK is now whining in the media saying he wants to flag-out planes and operations to another European country (i.e Sweden) because he didnt get his way in this matter!

You know what: Go ahead! But change the name of your company to "Swedish" or "Romanian", and start painting your tails with Romanian heros instead!

As a professional pilot I am very concerned about the way things are headed here in Europe, employment wise. Thanks to FR and DY (that follow FRs lead) by lowering employment conditions, (ultimately lowering safety) by offering 1-3 year contracts through a 3rd party like Parc Aviation. With no job-security the pilots we depend on flying us safely from A to B will be much more reluctant calling in sick when their employment status basically is a "Boeing 737-800 pilot substitute". Who knows, declaring yourself unfit for flight one to many times, and guess what; Your contract wont get re-newed!!!

I would seriously never recommend anyone to become a professional pilot if your planning to work in Europe!
But at least we still have WF, L5, DK and BLX still offering pay and conditions that makes the risk of an pilot education worth it!! (Updating my SK application is no longer exactly on top of my to-do list   )

User currently offlineokobjorn From Denmark, joined Jun 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 36540 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 15):
SAS will in the S13 schedule use Cimber on 80 out of 90x weekly flights between CPH and AAR, as their ATR72s are a more suitable aircrafts on most of the flights on this route

Cimber taking over more DK domestic flights and Blue1 more intra-Scandinavian flights. Will we see SAS Commuter relived in a new form?

Next step: Cimber will take over the complete SAS CRJ fleet sometime soon?

User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 36167 times:

Sun Express adds Oslo and Stockholm service from Izmir.


Izmir – Oslo eff 02MAY13 NEW 1 weekly service
XQ952 ADB1550 – 1855OSL 738 4
XQ953 OSL2000 – 0055+1ADB 738 4

Izmir – Stockholm eff 28APR13 NEW 1 weekly service
XQ934 ADB0615 – 0900ARN 738 7
XQ935 ARN0950 – 1430ADB 738 7
SunExpress last operated service to Oslo and Stockholm in Summer 2010; Bremen in Summer 2011.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 4142 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 35997 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Thread starter):
So far only one A320 is in traffic, but the next one, OY-KAM, should start operating out of CPH mid-February

Seems like this already has been delivered to SAS, and that it is aircraft #3, OY-KAN which is in ZRH for modification, that will arrive in mid-FEB. The two former Spanair aircraft are also rumoured to arrive duirng February. #4 from Indigo, OY-KAO, is currently in OSR for paint before being sent to ZRH for modification

Next one for Norwegian, LN-NIE, (ln4330) had its first flight on Sunday.

User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 35868 times:

OY-KAM was registered on 15 January 2013 according to Trafikstyrelsen (http://dcaa.trafikstyrelsen.dk/natre..._soeg_ny=2&p=&LeNs#LensBM_08911008)

User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 1581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 35775 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 17):

So, wouldn't it be time to start ticket sales or to publish a timetable?

They still don't have an operating license. This means that they are not allowed to sell tickets
or to start make advertising for tickets until they have the required licenses.

Despite that they have both advertised about tickets and also sold tickets.
So the Swedish Consumer Agency are not happy about this.


[Edited 2013-01-22 12:17:48]

[Edited 2013-01-22 12:18:22]

Like a thunderbolt of lightning the Dragon roars across the sky. Il Drago Ruggente
User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 35581 times:

New SAS route from Stockholm to Vilnius. Actually it is a resumption, they operated this route till 2005.

1x daily flight on SAAB2000, operated by Golden Air.

ARN-VNO: 14:45-17:25
VNO-ARN: 17:55-18:30

ARN-VNO: 17:55-20:35
VNO-ARN: 21:05-21:40

25 Someone83 : Brussel Airline is reducing with 1x daily on both BMA and CPH to 3x and 4x daily from S13
26 Post contains links Mortyman : Norwegians first 787 in production Pictures: http://media.norwegian.com/#/image/v...mliner-fra-boeing-fabrikken-175476 http://media.norwegian.com/#/im
27 Post contains links and images Scooter01 : This article made me smile: http://www.vg.no/reise/artikkel.php?artid=10106948 It basically tells the unfortunate story about some Norwegian traveller
28 Tristarsteve : I really wonder if SAS release the brakes on the gate. Some airlines do, a lot don't. It used to be standard practice to always release the brakes to
29 someone83 : Arrived in OSL from Seattle yesterday
30 someone83 : Seems like all the SAS A330s now has been transfered to Norwegian registry, LN-RKH/M/N/O Two more 737s for Norwegian are scheduled to have their first
31 Post contains images someone83 : OY-KAN, SK's third A320 was delivered in CPH yesterday. Their first one is still in OSL with a door missing, which is supposed to arrive from the US t
32 Post contains links Maersk737 : I read somewhere the planes should be better protected, when registered in Norway, in case of a SAS bankruptcy??? Edit: I did find a link in Danish:
33 g2scandinavia : Qatar airways will continue operate a cargo B777 on Tuesdays on OSL-DOH in addition to their normal A330-200/300 rotation. By this time, it seems like
34 someone83 : Do you think the service will be extended beyond the summer and become permanent? My impression is that this is another "salmon flight"?
35 g2scandinavia : Difficult to predict the future, but It I think it looks like a perfect recepie for a permanent service.
36 Someone83 : bmi Regional will start GOT-BHX 6x weekly from May 14 using ERJ-145 BM1441 BHX1630 – 1935GOT ER4 x6 BM1442 GOT2005 – 2115BHX ER4 x6 Norwegian took
37 Navigator : By the way g2scandinavia what happened to that Emirates service supposed to start DXB - ARN? Anything materializing?
38 g2scandinavia : I suggest you confront the SLOT coordinator of Swedavia and ARN. The open period of SLOT for handback expiered 4 days ago.[Edited 2013-02-05 03:59:11
39 Post contains images Navigator : Could you please explain further what you mean here exactly. Slot handback? At ARN? What is happening with that Emirates route? You seem to have info
40 arn777 : The airlines apply for slots to airport coordinators at the airports something that can be done all year around. Airport coordination is essential at
41 EBGflyer : Latest changes according to airlineroute.net As per 08FEB13 GDS timetable and inventory display, initial changes to SAS Winter 2013/14 Long-Haul opera
42 Someone83 : OSL traffic figures January 2013: 1.523.297 +1,3% Domestic: 750.660 -0,7% Imternational: 772.628 +3.3% Top 10: Trondheim -1,6% Bergen -5,7% Stavanger
43 Post contains links SAS767 : Don't know if they will move from GOT to OSL, but Emirates Skycargo will go online at CPH from the beginning of March. Operating DXB-CPH-ORD-CPH-DXB
44 g2scandinavia : Good news that both OSL and CPH can support a weekly cargo departure in addition to a daily rotation on their intercontinental services to the Gulf s
45 EBGflyer : Anybody know why SK995 CPH-PEK is not operating from 9/2-13/2 (both days inclusive)? AFAIK SK 995 normally operates daily. Is it maintenance?[Edited 2
46 Post contains links g2scandinavia : It took some time, but Thai has finally released a increase daily 777 to OSL S13 (mid summer only) The new departures to operate on Tuesdays and Thur
47 EBGflyer : Just like with the increase to CPH, it makes sense to increase during the peak summer holiday season. Most schools in both Norway and Denmark are on
48 Asiaflyer : Low demand due to Chinese New Year.
49 EBGflyer : Makes sense. I can see that flights to PVG are not operating as well. Thanks!
50 ju068 : From 02.06 Wizz Air will launch two weekly flights between Belgrade and Oslo Sandefjord. 18:25-21:15 // 21:45-00:35 Norwegian currently operates from
51 SKAirbus : Sandefjord is a much cheaper airport to operate from and Wizz Air will surely offer much lower fares... that is very important for some people.
52 g2scandinavia : Wizzair is doing surprisingly well from Torp. Correct me if I'm wrong, but i think this is their twelfth service from Torp. Most if not all of these d
53 ju068 : I was mostly referring to its distance from Oslo (118 km), that is why I am wondering if they can actually compete with Norwegian which is flying fro
54 g2scandinavia : Hard to say. My impression is that they don't. When Rygge opened, it took away the Torp attention from the Oslo area.
55 someone83 : My impression is that they have a very nice market share of the VFR trafic between the whole of Oslofjord-area/Easter Norway, which is quite substant
56 Post contains links arn777 : http://newstodate.aero/ reports that the EK Skycargo route at CPH basically is full both ways not adding much extra capacity. Is this more of an tech
57 Post contains links Mortyman : Norwegian Reports a Pre-Tax Profit of 623 MNOK for 2012 Norwegian (NAS) today reported its fourth quarter and full year results for 2012. The company
58 Post contains images SAS767 : It's called testing the market. A limited amount of space will be available ex. CPH for the time being, but things can change
59 Post contains links SAS767 : More easyJet flights between MAN and CPH - going from 7x to 9x a week from the beginning of May. Good news for Danish fans of Manchester United or Man
60 LN-KGL : Maybe bad news for SAS since they now will face stiffer competion with two LCCs to the North West - Norwegian starting three weekly to LPL and easyJe
61 sas767 : AFAIK CPH has not shown negative growth for the last two months. Only for December with -0,4% in total but with positive growth in the international
62 david_itl : the additional Monday service for U2's CPH-MAN starts 22nd April with the extra Friday service 10th May.
63 TristarSteve : If anyone is interested the BA780/781 service to ARN today 23 Feb will be operated by a B777 due shortage of B767 and the flight is fully booked.
64 B747forever : Interesting. It seems that BA is doing very well out of ARN with the 777 full. I dont know if you have any numbers, but it would be nice to see how B
65 TristarSteve : Yes ARN is in the top ten of European routes But this weekend is special. It is the start of Stockholm School Sports week so everything is full. Ther
66 Post contains images LN-KGL : I can't tell you how well BA is doing it at ARN, but I can tell you how well ARN has done it the last 12-13 months. But since this a Scandinavian thre
67 someone83 : OY-KHM, another MD-80, left the SAS fleet today, heading for the US and spare parts for Delta
68 seansasLCY : I notice from Facebook that Flynonstop will launch a summer service from Alesund to Nice. This is in addition to their flights from Kristiansand.
69 Post contains links sas767 : The reason for the change in market share between STN and LGW is the switch easyJet in march 2012 did with their London flights from CPH. At this poi
70 LN-KGL : UK CAA report different passenger numbers for December 2012 (123 passengers/1 single flight unreported at CPH?) and November 2011 (332 passengers/1 r
71 Post contains links someone83 : SAS has had enough with the Norwegian ban on frequent flyer points on domestic routes and will from today offer this to customers travelling on corpor
72 kiwirob : Maybe with points now on offer we might see a domestic lounges in Oslo, Bergen and Trondheim. Since they say business customers only you'll only get p
73 sas767 : December 2012 and January 2013 are not very good indicators of near future growth. Business traffic during the Christmas period 2012 was significant
74 speedygonzales : Michael O'Leary will visit TRF tomorrow, probably to announce new routes.
75 someone83 : SAS seems to accelerate the planned MD80 retirement from December 2013 to October 2013. On the other hand, both they and Norwegian will each take deli
76 Post contains links Mortyman : Norwegian is starting up scheduled flights from OSL to LYR again yesterday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Airport,_Longyear
77 someone83 : And today, LN-RMO followed. On the other hand, OY-KAO, their fourth A320, was delievered and put in traffic last weekend
78 Post contains links someone83 : As their 787 is delayed Norwegian will lease two A340-300 from HiFly as an interim solutions. Both aircrafts used to be operated by EK and SQ, and is
79 CXfirst : Some newspapers were reporting some time ago that DY had (or were close to leasing) a couple 767's (didn't state from where). But A340-300's seem lik
80 B747forever : How does the seating capacity on these A343s compare to DY's 787?
81 speedygonzales : 12/42/213 (=267) for the A340s vs. 0/32/259 (=291) for the 787s.
82 EBGflyer : And the 42 business seats in the A340 are probably a bit more comfortable than the 32 seats in the 787 that probably are more equal to premium econom
83 SASDC8 : Should be interesting to see who gets the 12 "first class" seats, or if they will just keep that cabin closed and as a crew rest? I guess these 340s
84 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : apparently, yesterday Thai Airways celebrated their 25 year at Arlanda anniversary. One of the guest at this celebration was Thailand's prime minister
85 Mortyman : Norwegian's newest 738 aircraft ( LN-NGJ ) and 6th of a total of 14 to be delivered this year arrived at OSL today.
86 someone83 : Wizzair is to start GDN-KRS with twice weekly from mid-May DAT is starting AAL-SVG 6x weekly from mid-April[Edited 2013-03-06 12:40:52]
87 B747forever : It all works against DY. Not only is the A343 fuel consumption higher, its capacity is less which will make it even harder for them to turn a profit
88 someone83 : It's a wetlease, so it comes with pilots and everything needed
89 DeltaB717 : I haven't been able to find this anywhere so far, but apologies if it's been covered... now that KF is an operator for SK rather than a stand-alone op
90 B747forever : Will DY have to pay for the lease or will they get compensated by Boeing?[Edited 2013-03-06 23:02:11]
91 Post contains images someone83 : At the moment they intend to keep them, untill they change their mind It's DY who's leasing the airplanes, and I guess they will try to get a compens
92 B747forever : If my eyes don't deceive me, I do believe I saw on the schedule that the 717 will do some CPH-ARN flying also. Yes, it is DY that leases the aircraft
93 someone83 : Yes, especially during the summer holiday they be "all over" the place, even domestic Norway. During the summer months, they will be doing quite a lo
94 Post contains links someone83 : SAS and Swissport has signed a letter of intent regarding sale of SGH, including Spirit, SAS' ground handling unit. http://feed.ne.cision.com/wpyfs/00
95 B747forever : Will the 717s be painted in SK's regular paint scheme or will they still retain their KF colors?
96 someone83 : KF colours.
97 B747forever : That is good news! The 717 looks great in KF's paint scheme.
98 DeltaB717 : Had a look earlier and not only are they going to be hubbing through CPH but also ARN. Good to see SK mixing it up a little!
99 DeltaB717 : Had a look earlier and not only are they going to be hubbing through CPH but also ARN. Good to see SK mixing it up a little!
100 bagmanlgw : Norweigan Airlines start their first phase of expansion at LGW with introduction of new summer sun routes and increased frequencies on scandinavian se
101 g2scandinavia : New intercontinental carrier to OSL will be presented tomorrow. As rumors are allready out, it's Korean to Seoul operating Charter flights this summer
102 Post contains images copenhagenboy : I cant see it mentioned, but SK is now selling ticket from OSL, ARN and CPH to BKK as codeshare on TG. Me thinking it is a clever move.
103 Someone83 : Do you know with which equipment these flight will be operated?
104 g2scandinavia : Yes and no... It was not set yet because of some issues presented bellow. However It could have changed recently with an aircraft now defined for thi
105 Post contains links kiwirob : Looks like Widerø have a new owner. Sorry in Norwegian only http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_sogn_og_fjordane/1.10943548 I guess Fjord1 need to
106 Post contains images g2scandinavia : Another historic milestone reached today. OSL is for the first time ever the largest airport in Scandinavia measured in monthly traffic. CPH 1.594.715
107 Someone83 : Fjord1 is just one of several groups that have made a bid for Widerøe. SAS has confirmed they have received several bids
108 Post contains images EBGflyer : Congrats to OSL for finally getting the title. You can put the trophy on the shelf next to 'Scandinavian airport with most domestic traffic' and 'Sca
109 Post contains images CXfirst : Just like CPH will state they are the largest international airport in Scandinavia and leave out that they don't have the largest amount of passenger
110 arn777 : Wow..based on your reply it is quite clear that you are a tad bit bitter trying to rain OSL's parade. But then again I did not expect anything else.
111 EBGflyer : Not bitter. Just saying it doesn't make much sense as being a large airport doesn't mean anything in itself unless you take a look at the numbers beh
112 Post contains images arn777 : So the press releases airports in Scandinavia and airports in general highlighting number of total pax doesn't mean anything and is useless? Domestic
113 SKAirbus : Surely it doesn't matter whether or not it is domestic or international travellers?? For an airport all that matters is total passenger figures as it
114 EBGflyer : You are missing the point. In itself it does not mean much without looking further at the underlying numbers. I mentioned ATL as it in fact is the wo
115 arn777 : Airports, IATA and the media rank airports based on pax numbers. They always have and they always will. You can break things down, look at underlying
116 EBGflyer : Probably depends who you ask. Airlines are interested in sustainable demand when looking into starting new routes. ATL leads the pack, but doesn't at
117 arn777 : But this was about being the biggest airport/airport with the highest pax numbers, not "which airport might be of interest to some airlines based on
118 Someone83 : LN-RGE, the newest 737-800 for SAS was delivered yesterday, and arrived in OSL this morning
119 EBGflyer : Yes, and I'm questioning the significance.
120 arn777 : Off course you do and based on your comment above we all know how you feel about the title in addition to your agenda. Anything else would be a surpr
121 LN-KGL : It's also interstering to turn around EBGflyer's comment: Of the Scandinavian capital airports CPH is the airport with the least domestic connections
122 EBGflyer : Not so strange is it and what is your point? Denmark is small country compared to Sweden and Norway and CPH can be reached conveniently by train from
123 Navigator : Train connections are as important as domestic flight connections when it comes to creating demand for international flights. Both ARN and CPH have l
124 EBGflyer : Seems like Kjos and Co has some long haul news to reveal on a press conference in CPH tomorrow. According to check-in.dk the rumor says it could be a
125 SAS A340 : He will also present a third long haul route from ARN.....[Edited 2013-03-13 13:42:41]
126 SAS A340 : And it is ARN to Florida from December 1, twice a week......
127 Someone83 : ARN-FLL and CPH-FLL are the two new routes
128 Post contains links EBGflyer : The new Norwegian routes to FLL are mentioned in a separate thread: Norwegian Launches New Routes To Fort Lauderdale (by santos Mar 14 2013 in Civil A
129 arn777 : Newstodate posted an article about QR Cargo's performance in the Nordics: From their Facebook page: Gulf carrier with a grip on the Nordics adding ne
130 Post contains images sas767 : I know a lot of our Norwegian "friends" have been waiting for years to see OSL pass CPH in passenger numbers, so I think this deserves a congratulatio
131 g2scandinavia : Thanks for your post, but are you sure that your numbers are correct? I do not doubt your source, I'm just a bit confused as I have seen articles pre
132 Post contains images SAS A340 : If i am not mistaken,i recall that i read that if you look 33 moths back,February was the first month that the traffic at OSL actually was decreasing
133 Navigator : I doubt that this dispute will have any effect on planned routes for Norwegian. They base all planned new routes on market evaluations and yields. Ev
134 Someone83 : February 2013 had one day less than February 2012, which equals around 3,5%. When looking on travellers/day it is actually an increase
135 g2scandinavia : I hope we all agree on that the launch of services to markets with the best options for sustainable economical success is always the mission of an ai
136 sas767 : The figures are correct. Right after the Cimber Sterling bankruptcy last year the 3rd of May, Norwegian decided to increase the CPH base from 9 to 11
137 g2scandinavia : Well for for May I See your point, however S13 includes 5 more months and the "new" capacity is mostly replacing the Cimber capacity, following the p
138 sas767 : No it's not replacing Cimber Sterling capacity! Cimber Sterling went bankrupt the 3rd of May 2012 and hence their capacity in May 2012 was equal to z
139 Post contains images g2scandinavia : A bit difficult to get you straight when you do not count the numbers for more than one month! For instance, DY's OSL program for the following month
140 KiwiRob : Yippee I got my first FFP points from a domestic flight last week, good news for the flying public in Norway IMO.
141 sas767 : The discussion started out with May and the reason why I used this month as foundation for the comparison between OSL and CPH. But fair enough let's
142 bagmanlgw : DY now have on sale their Scandinavian routes from LGW for the winter with little change from the Summer schedule Any idea when the Spanish routes and
143 someone83 : Some SAS fleet development this week: LN-BUC, a 737-500, has left the fleet for the scrapper. SE-RJE, one of the two planned ex-Spanair A320 (owned by
144 someone83 : Easyjet will begin a daily LGW-BGO route from Mai 20. This will be Easyjet's first route to Norway
145 Post contains images g2scandinavia : And not the last...
146 someone83 : More from BGO or from others (i.e. OSL)?
147 SKAirbus : I think one of the secrets to OSL getting bigger and bigger is the fact that P2P travel is now very much in vogue. Previously almost all intercontinen
148 Someone83 : Delivered from BFI today.
149 Post contains links KiwiRob : Anyone notice the announcement that SAS will be dropping interEuropean C class in June? Article in English here
150 Post contains images SKAirbus : Yep, I set up a seperate thread for it . Wise move.. Y+ on short flights is a bit silly really, although I think the rebranding of J and Y is a littl
151 Post contains links debonair : So, what's up in Sweden? I just heard on March 28th 2013 was the first flight for new company http://flyswedish.eu/ with E170! So, some pictures from
152 Post contains links and images SAS A340 : No but its done by one of this for now.. View Large View MediumPhoto © Oleg Chaplin 4 minutes before schedule... bad.... approx 15 people,but its a
153 Post contains links Invaders : Didnt see this posted here yet, but Flynonstops only airplane is getting it first test-flight on april 13 and is getting it finishing touches as you c
154 Post contains links someone83 : Wizz Air is starting Molmø-Tuzla with twice weekly flights from end of May http://airlineroute.net/2013/04/01/w6-mmxtzl-s13/
155 teme82 : There is rumors that in effort to save SK the governments of Norway, Denmark and Sweden have been secretly talking to Finnish government about the AY
156 debonair : Still operated by Denim Air?
157 Post contains images SAS A340 : APF Airlines........ Aprils fools airlines.... . Hope you didn't took this to seriously my friend
158 teme82 : Of course not. Since it was started by me. lol ...
159 Doona : SK did have their own little April fools joke on Facebook today. Supposedly, the airline was launching a collaboration with Facebook and installing "
160 Post contains links and images KaiGywer : Not to mention Widerøe's facebook post about their new longhaul division Widerøe To Order 4 787 Dreamliners (by KaiGywer Mar 31 2013 in Civil Aviat
161 Post contains images Invaders : Yes it is. Initially Denim Air actually wanted Fly Nonstop to use F100. But apart from that I dont have any else information on how this actually wil
162 someone83 : I guess Denim might have some spare capacity somewhere? This is one of those hopeless Swedish start-ups we've seen several time. It will probably be
163 Post contains links arn777 : http://www.check-in.dk/newselement.c...?nNewsArticleID=75040#.UV5h3WQazCQ SAS continues to look into IAH and this time from CPH. Another one-stop from
164 g2scandinavia : Well I have some difficulties regarding Check-in.dk as the reliable source here, but I must admit that it does not come as a surprise that others are
165 KiwiRob : They already have a one stop service with KLM which the market have taken too, connections via AMS has made KLM the largest foreign carrier operating
166 SKAirbus : There is also a one stop service via LHR with BA now that they have restarted SVG and begun flying into BGO.
167 Post contains links someone83 : SAS and JetTime has signed a LoI where JetTime plans to operate four ATR-72-600 on behalf of SAS for smaller routes from CPH and ARN http://www.check-
168 Post contains links Invaders : KLM have started their 2 daily roundtrip on AES-AMS: Pictures from KLM Norways facebook-page. I read somewhere that they were happy with the booking-n
169 sk945 : It have been very quiet about Emirates and ARN. Anyone know something more about when they plan to start the route?
170 B747forever : Well, there were rumors that they would start the ARN route in June. Of course that won't happen now, so at best it might start in fall.
171 Post contains links kiwirob : Here's an interesting article about a SVG IAH service. It talks about using a long range 737 or A320 aircraft instead of one of the existing longhaul
172 someone83 : Yes, without problems, and AFAIK Thomas Cook is often at SVG with their 330s
173 CXfirst : Now could something like Privatair or BA A318 work? An all-J class narrowbody. This might also be a strategy to keep the business travel between Stav
174 g2scandinavia : A wide body service was just wild speculations from check-in.dk. This service has always been discussed to be served by a smaller aircraft. SAS prese
175 Navigator : Now g2scandinavia, how about that Emirates service to Stockholm? Any news out of OSL?
176 kiwirob : But SAS don't have the aircraft for it do they? I also think they would be better off going from OSL, Statoil, Aker Solutions and several others have
177 g2scandinavia : A very good question. They do not have the aircraft and no matter how this ends up, it will be a VERY costly affair. Money SK should not risk on such
178 Navigator : But what about all those other routes incl Emirates to Stockholm that has been so widely talked about. You had firm signs here didnt you? What is the
179 SKAirbus : Statoil's head office is actually in Stavanger. In Forus if I recall... so not a million miles away from Sola. The majority of foreign companies have
180 Post contains links and images kiwirob : A big new head office is being built in Fornebu on the site of the old airport.
181 Post contains images someone83 : Official yes, in practice.....that is open for discussion, ref Kiwirob's post It's already been built, and they moved in a few months ago UA is in th
182 kiwirob : It's been a while since I was in Fornebu, last time it was just a construction site, it's a fantastic looking building. I'd be interested seeing the
183 g2scandinavia : Correct, but this is not the first attempt, UA have tried twice. The Norwegian oil companies would very much like to see a direct service, but so far
184 Navigator : The weather at Gardermoen with freezing drizzle can be a safety hazard and is a constant problem in winters. The ice could be dangerous to aircraft e
185 SKAirbus : Sorry that was meant to state "foreign oil companies". Just drive through Forus and you will see!
186 Post contains images someone83 : Then I'll agree
187 g2scandinavia : The challenge with the Houston market from Norway is that it's so strong, but yet very divided. Both SVG and OSL have almost equal amount of local pa
188 SKAirbus : I think part of SAS' downfall was putting its long-haul club pretty much exclusively at CPH, forcing passengers to transfer when they could easily be
189 Post contains images g2scandinavia : I think that's a debate that we should keep out of this thread [Edited 2013-04-11 02:35:31]
190 AirIndia : Emirates announces ARN from SEP04.
191 Navigator : Why? This is the single most important reason why longhaul routes are pretty much non existent at both ARN and OSL. So please give a reason why this
192 someone83 : Don't think that is only to blame on SAS....no one (well except some bilateral agreement regarding slots, overflight rights etc) is stopping other ai
193 Invaders : A bit off the long-haul topic, but does anyone know if OSL will make it easier for connecting passengers once all the building have been finished? I A
194 someone83 : Thet requires the custom authorities to allow custom clearance at final destinastions It wasn't that much easier. The difference was that you didn't
195 g2scandinavia : No, only Houston sticks out here. Traffic from OSL is usually between 70-80% of the total NO demand to Intercontinental destinations. For Singapore i
196 kiwirob : All Norwegian airports where you're transiting from international to domestic are like this. When leaving Norway you check your bags at the airport y
197 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : A link with confirmation: http://www.swedavia.se/arlanda/om-st...dubai-fran-stockholm-med-emirates/
198 Post contains links CXfirst : I do remember reading somewhere that they intend to change things to allow this later in the decade (think the plan was for it to be implemented befo
199 Post contains links Mortyman : Indeed Fancy building, but not Statoils Headquarter. Statoils headquarter remains in Stavanger: http://www.aftenbladet.no/energi/--H...tavanger-29575
200 someone83 : Traffic number for March: CPH: 1.897.265 -0,4% OSL: 1.778.623 -3,7% ARN: 1.614.411 -1,8% Note that Easter had some effect on the numbers, especially i
201 Post contains images g2scandinavia : Seems like next week also will bring some more spring flowers to Scandinavian aviation. Stay tuned for a press conference on Monday! Meanwhile enjoy a
202 SKAirbus : Nooooo.... don't do this to us!! A hint maybe?? EK to OSL?
203 Navigator : Exactly!! Bilaterals... remember that. This has stopped foregn carriers from opening up both at OSL and ARN. The other thing is that both OSL and ARN
204 sas767 : Where will this Press conférence be - there have been several rumours lately regarding new services to Scandinavia! Including the now announced EK s
205 LN-KGL : With a plum blossom flower on its tail?
206 Post contains links g2scandinavia : Hostage situation over for OSL with OSL-FLL finally released. I know they have great expectations for this service and it's not without a reason why O
207 Post contains images sas767 : Was all the fuss about DY OSL-FLL? I would have expected something more... Anyway we might see some interesting news from CPH in the near future
208 someone83 : Then the capacity for the first three DY 787s are fully utilized. Next step will be where the fourth aircrafts will go, but guess we'll have to wait
209 someone83 : Today another SAS MD82, SE-DIS, left the fleet heading for the scrapper/Delta in the US SAS still have about a dozen MD82s left in service, while the
210 Post contains links someone83 : SE-RJF, SAS sixth A320, was delivered to CPH today. This was the second, out of two, former Spanair aircrafts owned by SAS. Unlike the other A320 whic
211 copenhagenboy : SK and TK are going to codeshare between Scandinavia/Finland and Turkey Nice move.
212 Post contains links debonair : How can DY release a new route without any time schedule regarding their B787? Will the B787 ready for start in November? In other news, flyNonstop E
213 SKAirbus : They are going to lease aircraft to cover the shortfall... Although many passengers will be disappointed that this much-hyped plane may not be delive
214 someone83 : Norwegian will add a base at TFS from the W13/14 season, similar to their base in LPA
215 g2scandinavia : I have a feeling that this was something they had to do, rather than of free will. The the rapid growth of the carriers based between Europe and Asia
216 EBGflyer : Are they planning a launch to CPH? Don't think they would survive long without the support of SAS at the Scandinavian end. Also wondering whether it
217 g2scandinavia : That I think most people will agree on. I have also some difficulties seeing how they can survive with the support if SAS with EK and QR bombing Scan
218 Post contains links EBGflyer : Read the article that was posted a few days ago. Can be found here: http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...lobal-footprint-via-abu-dhabi.html But how
219 LN-KGL : We're talking about at least 2 years, EBGflyer. But the main hurdle here is the bilateral traffic agreement between India and UAE. Today it states max
220 Post contains links and images Someone83 : Abu Dhabi, not UAE, as they have a separate bilatereal with India. Seems like Jet try to get this from Dec '13. But who knows which grouping has the
221 Post contains links sas767 : Luxair returns to CPH from the 3rd of June. One daily flight except Saturdays: http://cphtraveller.dk/nyheder/luxai...ten-mellem-luxembourg-og-kobenha
222 Someone83 : LN-RGF has been delivered and is on its way to Scandinavia
223 Someone83 : FlyNonstop had its debut today. First flight left Kristiansand for Paris earlier this morning
224 Post contains links invaders : Sad news: http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article1962780.ece "Norwegian(DY) pilot died just before departure from AGP" The article says nothing about if it
225 EBGflyer : Seems like TK1783/1874 are operating with a A330-300 today (reg TC-JNJ). AFAIK TK normally uses a mix of A32x and B738's between IST and CPH, so is th
226 Someone83 : AFAIK TK has previously used widebody equipment to all the Scandinavian capitals on some few occasions. So while not common, it usually happens once
227 Post contains links debonair : I heard rumors new venture flysweden is already after 1 month of operations on the ground? Unfortunately, my Swedish is not the best: http://flyswedis
228 Mortyman : Summer break with Norrland traffic Nordic Air Sweden pauses it's traffic to and from the North during the summer. With the interest in direct flights
229 Post contains links kiwirob : This could be interesting a possible Norwegian takeover of LOT. speculation flies over LOT takeover
230 Post contains links Mortyman : Already has it's own thread: DY Possibly Interested In Making An Offer On LOT (by Mortyman Apr 29 2013 in Civil Aviation)
231 B747forever : I do believe it was last year that TK sent the A343 to ARN as a one time substitution. Generally speaking, TK has an aggressive approach to meeting c
232 Post contains links EBGflyer : Another interesting story today found on check-in.dk is about EK looking into flights from CPH-SEA. http://www.check-in.dk/newselement.c...?nNewsArtic
233 someone83 : DAT seems to be struggling in Norway and will close down Skien-Stavanger, Florø-Molde and Stavanger-Florø with immidiately effect. This means Wider
234 bagmanlgw : Anybody know when DY will release their full winter timetable ? LGW only available for Scandinavian routes only from November Any ideas of any new or
235 kiwirob : I never knew they flew into Molde, I've never seen a DAT plane at Molde Årø. I also struggle to work out who would want to fly between these two vi
236 someone83 : It is/was an oil related route, and AFAIK the aircraft was routed SKE-SVG-FLO-MOL
237 kiwirob : There's a few oil related business in Molde, Axcess, NOV, Glamox International and Shell on Gossen but I can't see many of these companies using a ro
238 someone83 : Two more of the new used leased aircraft arrives the SAS fleet this week: A320 OY-KAP, CN 3086 and former Indigo, will be delivered to CPH today, and
239 EBGflyer : With the A320 arriving today, how many are in operation now?
240 someone83 : That will be their 7th
241 AwysBSB : Scandinavia is the fourth European region (PT, ES and IT come first) in number of tourists in the Brazilian Caribbean, and just Fortaleza and Natal re
242 kiwirob : Which is 800 metres down, 120km from the mainland, I don't think DAT were getting any custom from mermaids. What you mean is Nyhamna which is on Goss
243 Mortyman : Brazil ( Most likely Rio de Janeiro ) is also a destination that might be of interest to DY. The airline Ceo has mentioned earlier that Brazil is one
244 777way : Emirates cargo have launched freighter service to CPH linked to Chicago with 777F.
245 kiwirob : Where is the Brazilian Caribbean? Brazil and the Caribbean are a very long way from each other.
246 AwysBSB : That was mentioned indeed, but DY would not gather more pax than SK (or one of its partners out of CPH) in a service to Brazil. Since the Caribbeans
247 someone83 : SAS will start two new "regional" routes from ARN from mid-August ARN-BLL: Twice daily, except Saturday ARN-ALL: Trice weekly Both will be operated by
248 Post contains links and images someone83 : Alsie Express, the new Sønderborg based airline have had it's first aircrafts painted in a rather cool scheme http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewpho
249 EBGflyer : April traffic figures for CPH has been released: Total 1.962.190 (+ 2,2%) - Domestic 161.082 (- 4,0 %); International 1.801.108 (+ 2,8%) Haven't been
250 g2scandinavia : OSL up 12,1% in April. Adjusted for the easter it's +3,8%.
251 Post contains links iowaman : Due to length, please continue the discussion in part two if you would like: Scandinavian Aviation 2013 - Part 2 (by iowaman May 13 2013 in Civil Avia
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