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JAL Looking At New Routes  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6043 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15548 times:

JL President says theyre interested in flying to Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Myanmar and Cambodia as well as Bangalore and Chennai in India according to this article http://japandailypress.com/japan-air...eloping-asia-for-expansion-1716384

[Edited 2013-01-03 07:06:14]

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User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14963 times:

Could JL restart NRT-SFO on the 788 and offer connections on SFO-BLR?

User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14838 times:

How bout a new livery too? One with some actual, you know, color?

User currently onlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7944 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14646 times:

Come on, send your 787 to PHX    


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User currently offlineKiwinlondon From New Zealand, joined Dec 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14021 times:

What about AKL? They had a code share arrangement with NZ, however as I understand it NZ have now switched to ANA.

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User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13874 times:

NRT-AKL could always be a good option for offering connections to LHR, especially with BA and JL being about to cooperate more.

User currently offlinefly828 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13150 times:
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Part of the reason, JAL is down sharply in their routes to China. They have planned their capacity based on assumption more and more wealthier Chinese tourists would visit Japan in next few years along with business passengers. But now this likelyhood is pretty dim.

Just look at the routes they are expressing interest, most of them will be flown by equipments they usually deploy into China. I don't see this is the sign for any optimistic growth from JL but forced capacity reallocation.


User currently offlinenrt1011 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12667 times:

I am not sure JAL has ever been the smartest airline, but Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Myanmar and Cambodia don't seem to be thos potentially heavy-hitter locations. I may be wrong, probably will be but just doesn't feel like a "Wow, brilliant insight"

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12622 times:

Is JAL considering more US routes with the 787? They added SAN and BOS. ANA got SJC. What's next for JAL with the AA joint-venture? PHX, PDX, SLC, SEA, MIA, MSP?

User currently offlineMDW22L31C From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12070 times:

Send the 787 to BNA. With Nissan USA HQ in Nashville this would be a perfect fit.

How about NGO-LAX? Toyota USA HQ is 10 miles from LAX.


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12030 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 8):
Is JAL considering more US routes with the 787? They added SAN and BOS. ANA got SJC. What's next for JAL with the AA joint-venture? PHX, PDX, SLC, SEA, MIA, MSP?
NRT-MSP on JAL will probably never happen, not with DL having a sizable presence on either end, DL also already operates NRT-PDX with a 763 so I highly doubt there is enough traffic for two carriers there. NRT-SLC has been tried already by NW using an A332 and it wasn't successful. NRT-SEA is well served with many daily flights. MIA could be interesting, can the 787 make NRT-MIA non-stop without any weight penalty's? NRT-PHX is unlikely in the short term, even in the event of AA and US merging, the traffic just isn't there to warrant a non-stop at this time.

[Edited 2013-01-03 15:29:45]


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User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11898 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 5):

NRT-AKL could always be a good option for offering connections to LHR, especially with BA and JL being about to cooperate more.

I could be wrong... but LHR-NRT-AKL is much longer than via SIN, HKG or others.


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11863 times:

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 2):
How bout a new livery too? One with some actual, you know, color?

We all have our priorities!



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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1761 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11731 times:

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 11):
I could be wrong... but LHR-NRT-AKL is much longer than via SIN, HKG or others.
LHR-NRT-AKL is actually shorter, I think you're underestimating how much further east New Zealand is compared to Australia. In fact, going via SIN is even longer than going eastbound from AKL to LHR.

LHR-AKL 9,910nm
LHR-NRT-AKL 9,946nm
LHR-HKG-AKL 10,152nm
LHR-SFO-AKL 10,327nm
LHR-SIN-AKL 10,419nm

[Edited 2013-01-03 15:51:35]

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8494 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10488 times:
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Tokyo to Toronto, why should Air Canada fly with no competition from NRT to YYZ. NRT to Las Vegas, hey they love Vegas so why not.

User currently offlineMikey86 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10248 times:

Well JAL did mentioned that they would look at re-instating BNE once the 787's join the fleet. I am not sure if they will deploy the 787 or use the 777 (if a/c are free'd up) to operate the route.

Hopefull this comes to fruition  !



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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3077 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9936 times:
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Quoting nrt1011 (Reply 7):

I am not sure JAL has ever been the smartest airline, but Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Myanmar and Cambodia don't seem to be thos potentially heavy-hitter locations. I may be wrong, probably will be but just doesn't feel like a "Wow, brilliant insight"


Myanmar is going through an incredible economic boom lately as a result of new strides in democratization. ANA, Asiana and Korean all recently started flying there. Korean started Yangon in September with 4x weekly 738 service, and as of December capacity has been increased to a daily A333 service. Seats are all sold out till March.

I believe that the A330 is currently the largest anyone can send down there right now.



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User currently offlinektachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1803 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9887 times:

Quoting MDW22L31C (Reply 9):
How about NGO-LAX? Toyota USA HQ is 10 miles from LAX.

Exactly. I mean why not try and increase routes out of KIX or NGO to destinations that were axed or never flown?

Do they want to be a Japanese airline or the Almost only Tokyo airline like they have been doing for the last decade.

They could restart KIX-LAX, KIX-ORD, or KIX-BNE-SYD and then penetrate into the NGO market. If they keep on concentrating only on Tokyo, yields will continue to go down, they will continue to have a hard time making routes profitable, and if they mega quake reported on the news hits Tokyo, they might lose more than half of their fleet.



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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3077 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9775 times:
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Quoting ktachiya (Reply 17):

Exactly. I mean why not try and increase routes out of KIX or NGO to destinations that were axed or never flown?

Do they want to be a Japanese airline or the Almost only Tokyo airline like they have been doing for the last decade.

They could restart KIX-LAX, KIX-ORD, or KIX-BNE-SYD and then penetrate into the NGO market. If they keep on concentrating only on Tokyo, yields will continue to go down, they will continue to have a hard time making routes profitable, and if they mega quake reported on the news hits Tokyo, they might lose more than half of their fleet.


Weren't those routes cut precisely because they were unprofitable? JAL only recently got back on its feet again after cutting out all of that bloat.

As suffocating as NRT is for expansion, I'm not sure if further network fragmentation will serve them well at all. I wouldn't expect new long haul routes out of KIX anytime soon short of some kind of economic renaissance in what is a rather stagnant region.



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User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9767 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 10):
NRT-PHX is unlikely in the short term, even in the event of AA and US merging, the traffic just isn't there to warrant a non-stop at this time.

so 40 Million passengers isn't enough?


User currently onlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7944 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9723 times:

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 19):
so 40 Million passengers isn't enough?

The airport is actively seeking asian service. Last I heard is that the mayor of Phoenix is supposed to go to Tokyo sometime soon to try to attract service.



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9694 times:

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 15):
Well JAL did mentioned that they would look at re-instating BNE once the 787's join the fleet. I am not sure if they will deploy the 787 or use the 777 (if a/c are free'd up) to operate the route.

Many airlines say that kind of thing, but time will tell. With JQ serving OOL down the road, the need to service BNE with their own metal really doesn't seem to be there for them.

Their priorities seem focused on other areas at present.


User currently offlineBeachBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9616 times:

As a Hawaii resident, I hope they consider NRT/KIX-OGG/KOA. I know OGG doesn't have a FIS, but if they show interest I think it may force the issue. Most tourism growth over the past couple of years has been by international arrivals and thus, has primarily been limited to Oahu. With direct international flights to the neighbor islands, hopefully the growth will be more evenly spread.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9577 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Come on, send your 787 to PHX

It will happen since PHX is about to become a Oneworld hub.  



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6990 posts, RR: 63
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9476 times:

I would love to see direct flights between Japan and Bangalore. I've flown between them several times and there's always a layover in Hong Kong, Singapore, Bangkok or somewhere. I could see a direct flight being successful.

25 wedgetail737 : I wouldn't necessarily call 3X daily SEA-NRT "many" flights...not compared to LAX, SFO and JFK. However, I would be very surprised to JL return to SE
26 777way : Singapore Airlines use 772 to Yangon since launching the route in October, however they will switch to A330 as well from winter schedule.
27 ktachiya : Yes, but if you take population into factor, I think you can say its a lot. I have been hearing from the CX rep at Centrair that the primary reason t
28 mah4546 : Just because US/AA merge doesn't mean PHX will survive as a hub. It makes little sense to serve the small PHX-TYO market when JAL has LAX and SAN clo
29 Flyingsottsman : I wounder if they would ever start a service to MEL they have had rights to fly down to here for years but never took them up we did have a Narita ser
30 jfk777 : IF AA merges with Usair JAL could end up in CLT, stranger things have happened. Charlotte, North Carolina serves an area of the USA JAL doesn't hub in
31 jetsetter629 : If you look at the underlying theme, those destinations JL are considering are all emerging markets. With tourism growing in Myanmar and Cambodia, KE
32 cedarjet : I suppose it's surprising they don't fly this route but HND-SFO is much more convenient, by miles (literally!) and the times are fantastic - midnight
33 allegiantflyer : Lets be honest here. a Phoenix-Tokyo route is bound to happen,the PHX metro area is just about the fastes growing areas in the USA,buissness are comm
34 KFlyer : Certainly not a surprising move given that the presence in these markets will give JAL an advantage over ANA. It may in fact not even be based on the
35 wedgetail737 : You are probably correct, but we have seen the airline industry do strange things like what JL and NH are doing right now. JL has flights to both LAX
36 PHX787 : AA would be foolish to cut the PHX hub. See the PHX Aviation thread for detailed info.
37 us330 : Doesnt KE use their 738s and 739s on these routes? What prevents JAL from doing the same with their 738s?
38 treebeard787 : Yeah that is a lot, however the number of people who travel from PHX to Tokyo is much much much smaller then that, certainly not enough to warrant us
39 jetsetter629 : While NRT is about 600 miles east than ICN, it's still within range of the 738 so yes, some of the smaller cities in SE Asia are within reach
40 DolphinAir747 : Every sign, such as JL flying to destinations like BOS and SAN that can't survive only on Tokyo O&D, JL cutting all non-TYO longhauls, and now JL
41 mah4546 : Within 20 years? Sure, it'll happen. How do you figure? Las Vegas-Asia is approximately 3x larger a market. Yields suck in both, but LAS is large eno
42 Post contains images commavia : Yep. The PHX hub - as it now exists - would never work at a merged airlines combined, higher, costs. Nor would it need to. US only has a hub of that
43 aztrainer : I have no ax to grind in this, but with this logic could the same not be said for SAN? They are 110 miles to the south of LAX and it is an easy trip
44 DolphinAir747 : It is still way too early for JL to judge how well the SAN flight is performing.
45 wedgetail737 : The passenger demographics are completely different between LAS and PHX. People from Asia go to LAS to gamble. Comparatively, there is no gambling at
46 Post contains images MaverickM11 : And it was a DISASTER. What business? The fares are bottom of the barrel. There's probably more actual business traffic in LAS, plus the tourism. Jap
47 treebeard787 : That is an understatement, many of the HP PHX-HNL-NGO flights went out with less then a dozen passengers. HP's foray into 747s and long hauls nearly
48 PHX787 : It was a disaster because HP got screwed with NGO, which at the time, had very very few further connections. HP played the game completely wrong. If
49 mah4546 : SAN has good business ties to Japan. No, the demographics aren't different at all. PHX would be nowhere close to being "all business." the primary dr
50 steex : That's obviously speculation, though. Maybe it would've been a wild success, or maybe HP would've just bled slightly less and the route would've died
51 BA0197 : I think JAL needs to consider DFW and the oneworld connections.
52 PHX787 : Same with PHX *countless banks here in the valley with ties to overseas markets in Asia *IBM *Intel *Boeing *ASU *Microsoft *A few Japanese software
53 mah4546 : I'm not looking at delta.com, I'm looking at MIDT fare data - a sampling of fares among all carriers for FY11, which shows the fares suck. And obviou
54 mah4546 : No, you wouldn't, because Southwest serves the market very well. And nobody said AA is going to leave. AA will absolutely stay, and a very likely sce
55 MaverickM11 : We'd be speaking about a disaster where the names and places were different and that's about it. It probably would have been far worse, since there a
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