802flyguy From United States of America, joined May 2012, 235 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9025 times:
Some years ago. I head a rumor that PI had considered the Yakolev Yak-40 back in the 70s. Since, in the airline biz, a rumor and three dollars will get you coffee at Starbucks, I did not think there was much to it. Something brought it to mind recently; it turns that there actually was something to the rumor after all! In 1974, PI Vice president William Magruder sought State Dept assistance in going to the Soviet Union to evaluate the type.
Flyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 673 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8928 times:
Well I supose nobody in the 70s or 80s could ever imagine seeing an Aeroflot Boeing or Airbus jet, I doubt he would have got very far and the 70s being at the height of the cold war, but would have made for some interesting photos.
GCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8897 times:
It would have been an early commuter / regional jet, so that would have been very forward looking and in service 10/15 years before the CRJ. It would have been replacing / operating alongside YS-11s (if I have got the timelines right) and pax may well have preferred the "commie jet" to the turboprop alternative.
Thanks, an interesting post - and a lot better than the usual AvB fare we see here
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gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 6179 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8827 times:
In the early 1970s the USSR Export Agency launched a push to export Russian aircraft to the West. In this time frame at least one major tour to South East Asia, Australia & New Zealand was undertaken by a Yak-42. The aircraft was shown to major airlines in the area including AN, TN, East West as well as DCA Airworthiness & Operational officials. The only comment from a colleague I remember was "scarey".
The Yak 42 is still alive and well, may I gently point out that the thread refers to the earlier (and smaller) -40? I would think that the economics of the Yak-40 - three engines and only 32 seats - would be rather poor (even though it can operate out of very short runways).
ItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8369 times:
As cool as the PI livery on a Redjet would have been....I can not see this making any sense. Even in the 2013 one of the primary factors that preclude large scale Russian frame market penetration is the lack of aircraft support and part stores in the west. I can only imagine that in the 1970s, with cold war trade restrictions in place, aircraft support systems would be nonexistent.
SIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8315 times:
I remember a Yak-40 visited Liege airport (Belgium) in the seventies or eighties. I had an article in a local newspaper (will try to find it). A new airlines based in Liege airport was looking to buy new planes but this airlines never borned.............
RussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7793 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6611 times:
Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 15): Might it have been a CIA espionage operation disguised as a commercial visit? Instead of sneaking around you just boldly come right in through the front door with a good story behind you...........?
I'm pretty sure that the KGB would have been all over any such visit, and then some.
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woodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6594 times:
Hmm, pretty interesting stuff but seems so unlikely to have even been considered. At the time I imagine that low cost BAC-111s were available as well as new Fokker F-28s, both similar in size yet a little bigger than the YAK-40 but with established western customers and technical support. I guess the DC-9-10/15 would have been a bit too big if something along the lines of a 35 seat jet was what they were looking for. I dont imagine that a purchase of a Soviet commercial jet would ever have been allowed anyway, no matter what!
"On August 21, 1961, pilot William Magruder, copilot Paul Patten, flight engineer Joseph Tomich, and flight test engineer Richard H. Edwards took Douglas DC-8-43 no. N9604Z for a test flight at Edwards Air Force Base in California. The aircraft exceeded Mach 1—the only intentional supersonic flight by an airliner other than the Concorde and the Tu-144. Bill Wasserzieher interviewed Richard Edwards in May 2007."
CairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3515 times:
Like what another poster above stated.....it could have been a very forward way of thinking, as well as a possible way to provide jet service to smaller stations during the pre- deregulation era. While the YAK in all honesty would not have been the most efficient aircraft, perhaps the airline was interested in a jet that could be marketed as such that could wisk people in and out of small cities such as Newport News VA or Parkersburg WV...cities that could not support a 727 but where a jet could be turned around quickly (airstairs etc) and fly faster to bigger cities than the YS-11 or Allegheny's props. Back in pre-deregulation days airlines marketed service over price....and what a way to attract passengers in small communities than a fast flight on a "jet" airplane. No need to say where the plane was made, but with a YAK-40 parked next to a Nord 262 or an FH-227....guess which one would have probably gotten the attention? Could full flights have made up for the shortcomings?