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The Impossible Gate At FRA  
User currently offlinelh526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2363 posts, RR: 14
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 20225 times:
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I've always wondered, how planes were able to be pushed out of position on the old Gate A10 at FRA:

http://goo.gl/maps/PVdma

There seems to be absolutely no space for the plane to be pushed back out of position... how did they do it? I know plenty of guys at FRA BVD (marshallers) etc, but it was all way before their time.

Thanks  

Mario
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[Edited 2013-01-04 05:49:49]


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User currently offlinebavair From Germany, joined Jul 2011, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 20190 times:

I've seen somewhere, and to me it is the only reasonable explanation, that planes get pushed all the way out of the pier area onto taxiway M I think it is.

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9029 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 20100 times:
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Quoting lh526 (Thread starter):

I parked at that gate many times and it was an interesting pushback. You basically make an 180° turn on the taxi way. He pushes you back out of the position, then turned you even more and then pulled you forward onto the taxiway. And then disconnected. But that was only possible with rather small airplanes. So no 330 or something like that. I think biggest was 320.
This gate does not exist anymore as the A plus pier opened.

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User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3153 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 19556 times:
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A1 and C2 look more tricky to me...


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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 19457 times:

Quoting Fly-K (Reply 3):
A1 and C2 look more tricky to me...

With those gates they just do what can be seen at B10. They swing the aircraft around and park it parallel (more or less) to the terminal, and then they just turn to exit.


User currently offlineholzmann From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 19438 times:

Geez. Google needs to update its maps! That image is so old! No new runway, no Z gates, etc.

User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1868 posts, RR: 41
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 19404 times:
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Quoting holzmann (Reply 5):
Geez. Google needs to update its maps! That image is so old! No new runway, no Z gates, etc.

That's what I thought when I spotted the LH 310!



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User currently offlineelmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19037 times:

Quoting holzmann (Reply 5):
Geez. Google needs to update its maps! That image is so old! No new runway, no Z gates, etc.

These images are at least eight years old. Rhein-Main AB closed in late 2005, Google's imagery shows a very much still active military ramp.


User currently offlinepascal7z From Germany, joined Oct 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19027 times:

Quoting holzmann (Reply 5):
Geez. Google needs to update its maps! That image is so old! No new runway, no Z gates, etc.

On the picture, the old Halle 3 is still present, and the Lufthansa Flight Training is not built, so it dates to prior 2007!
Come on Google, update your maps!



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 18982 times:

Quoting holzmann (Reply 5):
Google needs to update its maps! That

That image is from March 27, 2002.

There are updated images available, but I don't know how to access them in Google Maps. They are available in Google Earth. However the newest is 12/31/2008 - and doesn't show the new runway either.

The reason Google keeps the March 27, 2002 image as the default is that it is one of the most popular, most famous images in their system.

It shows three images of a LH B747 and four shadows just off the northeast end of the runways. This is a perfect example of how aerial imagery is used, blending tiles of small areas into a wider image.

There is just one aircraft which took off and was in four frames taken seconds apart. The blended image shows four shadows of the aircraft on the ground and three pictures of the aircraft in the air.

BTW - Bing Maps does show the new runway and terminal construction.

[Edited 2013-01-04 08:20:35]

User currently onlineDariusBieber From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 18501 times:

Quoting holzmann (Reply 5):

Yes sir they do! It's pretty sad that they have hindered Germany, almost everywhere else in Europe they have StreetView, but when they get to Germany, only few selected cities have StreetView. I believe it's due to some privacy laws in Germany, not sure though.



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User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 18241 times:

Quoting holzmann (Reply 5):
Geez. Google needs to update its maps! That image is so old! No new runway, no Z gates, etc.

What caught my eye was the Fokker pushing back from C1(?) in British Midland livery (not even bmi then!). Very retro!



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User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 18171 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 11):
What caught my eye was the Fokker pushing back from C1(?) in British Midland livery (not even bmi then!). Very retro!

Just saw this! It was like stepping back into the mid-90's!


User currently offlineBritishB747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 17239 times:

What caught my eye was the Aeroflot A310 parked at B47.


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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 17151 times:

Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 10):
I believe it's due to some privacy laws in Germany, not sure though.

It is.

Also, if you look at the cities where Street View is available, you'll often see houses which have been blurred. This was done at owner or occupant request (and Google was forced to comply with these requests by German privacy laws).

To see an example, enter "Thielallee 26, Berlin, Germany" on Google Maps and then look at the house to the right of it (Thielallee 28).



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User currently offlineboeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16420 times:

This impossible gate in FRA reminds me of the gate that shouldn't be a gate in CLT... C2

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=charlo...&hq=charlotte+airport&z=20

When there is a heavy parked on D1 and a A320/B737 parked on C4...very tough location to get to especially with all those baggage carts hanging around.

Boeing727

[Edited 2013-01-04 10:09:58]

[Edited 2013-01-04 10:10:30]

User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15789 times:

Quoting holzmann (Reply 5):

As of a week or so ago, IAD pics were current only up to a certain altitude. The most recent parallel runway magically disappears if you zoom out too much.


User currently offlinedairy From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14530 times:

the greatest thing to see on that picture is the beautiful visitors terrace on Pier B - i really miss it!


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User currently offlinen797mx From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 13905 times:

Remember when Airline did gate 3A at LAX?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfyUsuMI5ig&t=0m43s



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User currently offlinen126dl From United States of America, joined May 2010, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12256 times:
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There is a gate at LGA like that. I believe it's D1. I sat in the food court and watched the tug push a DL 757 out in reverse, all the way out into the taxiway before spinning it around. It took a good 5-10 minutes of "three point turning" to get the wings clear in order to back out of the ramp without bashing the nose into the window that I was looking out of.

http://goo.gl/maps/nky2C



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User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11766 times:

Quoting n126dl (Reply 19):

A 757! Wow. That must have been fun. Some guy in a pushback tow is really earning his pay. (And more!!) At least that gate is straightforward apart from the fact that it is awfully close to the terminal wall.

B81 down in the RJ area at DEN concourse B can be a bit fun. It's pretty close to the terminal wall, and is made more fun by the other RJ concourse directly behind it, and often quite a few other RJs on the concourse. I've seen CR9s there. I have never pushed back there, but I landed from AUS and arrived at the gate once.


User currently offlinen126dl From United States of America, joined May 2010, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11741 times:
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Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 20):
Some guy in a pushback tow is really earning his pay.

It was like...pushpushpush OOPS, we're gonna smack the nose. Backup. Pushpushpush OOPS, we're gonna smack the nose.

Took a few tries to get the rear end swung out the right way. I could imagine the people inside's heads moving forward and backward like bobble head dolls.



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11741 times:

Quoting lh526 (Thread starter):

Don't worry about that Gate A10. Look at these airbridges at the bottom of the pic :

http://goo.gl/maps/1T8xe

Nice facilities but useless...welcome to CDG   



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 9968 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 14):
Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 10):
I believe it's due to some privacy laws in Germany, not sure though.

It is.

Also, if you look at the cities where Street View is available, you'll often see houses which have been blurred. This was done at owner or occupant request (and Google was forced to comply with these requests by German privacy laws).

No, it's not due to privacy laws. The law is on Google's side (it's perfectly legal to publish imagery from private buildings, as long as the pictures are taken from publicly accessible grounds). Google did meet stiff opposition concerning Street View in Germany, however, and they voluntarily restricted the service and allowed house owners to remove their houses from Street View.

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 22):
Nice facilities but useless...welcome to CDG   

Haha, that's great.   Heavens, CDG is a mess. But I love it. On the most interesting airports in the world.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25291 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 9780 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 22):
Look at these airbridges at the bottom of the pic :

Isn't that because one part of the bridge leads from the departure level boarding area and the other side leads to the arrivals level?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4916 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9939 times:

Quoting lh526 (Thread starter):

That's a very old image of FRA when was that image taken..?

As for the gate very tricky bay I take its restricted to B737/A320 type...

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User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9588 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 22):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 24):

They indeed are Multi-level gates. But I think his point is that the gates at the bottom of the pic are blocked off by the terminal. Literally impossible to get to.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9188 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 25):
That's a very old image of FRA when was that image taken..?
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 9):
That image is from March 27, 2002.

There are updated images available, but I don't know how to access them in Google Maps. They are available in Google Earth. However the newest is 12/31/2008 - and doesn't show the new runway either.


User currently offlinefghtngsiouxatc From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8271 times:

Funny, A10 at MDW is an "impossible gate" as well. Takes some skill and finesse to get a E175 pushed back out of there. Never seen anything bigger than a 717 use A10 before.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=MDW,+South+Cicero+Avenue,+Chicago,+IL&hl=en&ll=41.785345,-87.742143&spn=0.001254,0.00327&sll=41.661685,-87.738727&sspn=0.643273,1.674042&oq=mdw+airport&t=h&gl=us&hq=MDW,+South+Cicero+Avenue,+Chicago,+IL&z=19


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2403 posts, RR: 13
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7001 times:

Another "impossible" gates, here in DTM:

http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=dortmun...=0,0,10400618430448378589&t=h&z=19


They did so because a 737/320 would reach into the safety areas if it would taxi in forwards, so it has to be pushed backwards into the position. This applies to the positions 5 to 12 at DTM.


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[Edited 2013-01-05 00:58:52]


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10731 posts, RR: 9
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6708 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 25):
That's a very old image of FRA when was that image taken..?

Google is very slow, as there are still active 742Fs of LH Cargo on that photo, its no younger than early 2005!


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4916 posts, RR: 4
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4152 times:

Quoting na (Reply 30):

Not only LH B742 also the new concourse is active which occupies the entire area too...

EK413



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User currently offlineJet13 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

Google has updated the USA.. recently I was browsing my town and there's new views and angles along with updated town changes.

-Jet  



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User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Quoting Jet13 (Reply 32):

Mine is now on 45 degree view. You can see all the windows on the house, the trampoline in the yard, and the trashcans.

JFK was recently upgraded to 45 degree. T4 construction is viewable. T8 looks pretty cool. Are there any impossible gates at JFK?

Pushbacks at the west end of the DEN A concourse can be fun, because you have to turn at exactly the right time. If you turn to early, you hit an adjoining plane. If you turn late, you go right off into the dirt.

The first couple of gates nearest the Terminal at T1 LAX look a bit fun. You could hit a nearby plane or wall, and apparently ANZ occupies the gate across the way. Overall, LAX looks really close together, but no real impossible gates.


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