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Drunk Passenger Tied Up With Tape (Pic)  
User currently offlinemax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 34973 times:

http://gothamist.com/2013/01/04/phot..._one_way_to_deal_with_unruly_a.php

Quote:
According to a Port Authority spokesman, an "apparently intoxicated" man who was acting "in a disorderly fashion" was restrained by passengers and crew members on an Icelandair flight from Reykjavik, Iceland to JFK on Thursday afternoon.



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User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 34958 times:

Mmmm, not totally sure this construes 'reasonable restraint' but then who knows the circumstances I suppose. Certainly gagging is not considered legal in the UK, and raises a few safety concerns of its own!

Can also make out that the passenger is actually lashed with tape to the seat which is clear safety infringement as he'd be powerless to escape in an emergency....


User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 765 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 34912 times:

lol...that's baaaaaad. I wonder who had the honor of taping him to the chair.

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 34922 times:
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Quoting nclmedic (Reply 1):
Certainly gagging is not considered legal in the UK, and raises a few safety concerns of its own!

That was my first thought too - he may have been noisy or foul-mouthed, whatever, but taping his mouth is not a good idea.

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 1):
Can also make out that the passenger is actually lashed with tape to the seat which is clear safety infringement as he'd be powerless to escape in an emergency....

That may well have been necessary, possibly the lesser of two evils....



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User currently offlinemmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 34867 times:

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 1):
Can also make out that the passenger is actually lashed with tape to the seat which is clear safety infringement as he'd be powerless to escape in an emergency....

he'll be fine... With enough time to sober up, he was probably calm upon landing.

I'm even more surprised he lacks any scars or markings, in that picture...



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User currently offlinemax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 34823 times:

I'm sure some people would like to do the same for screaming babies!

[Edited 2013-01-04 09:01:40]


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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 34821 times:

Not quite the restraint kit I'm familiar with but ya know what......he clearly did something to deserve it so no sympathy what so ever!


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13940 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 34719 times:

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 1):
Mmmm, not totally sure this construes 'reasonable restraint' but then who knows the circumstances I suppose. Certainly gagging is not considered legal in the UK, and raises a few safety concerns of its own!

Well, I would hog-tie him (hands to the feet on the back) and dump him upside down in a lav if he is still being a nuisance. No mercy with violent drunkards.

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 1):
Can also make out that the passenger is actually lashed with tape to the seat which is clear safety infringement as he'd be powerless to escape in an emergency....

The purpose of tying him up in first place is to prevent him from getting out of his seat. IMO his personal risk. Get drunk on a plane and cause trouble you might not get out if it catches fire. As per the newspaper article he attacked and choked a woman, so no sympathy.

And having seen an Icelandic captain restrain a drunk passenger, who threatened to blow up the plane with a bomb, after landing until he could be handed over to the police I have noticed that those guys still have something of a viking mentality.

Jan


User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 34717 times:

as tragic-comic the picture is, it does raise some concerns in my mind. I understand feelings got heated among the passengers and the crew, but indeed the crew should have realized that gagging someone is not the right procedure. Just the fact that the guy was intoxicated should make one realize that the excess alcohol might need to come out, by throwing up. The situation could have resulted in the guy throwing up, but not being able to let it out of his mouth, thus choking on his own vomit. The actions of the crew should be revised here, in my opinion.

okAY


User currently offlineN505FX From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 34619 times:

Would have been better/funnier if they "Flamingoed" him and then attached him to the seat or galley. I guess in flight, it is captains discretion - which I totally agree with in this case - especially if he was in the act of a felony - which choking a woman out would be.

User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2963 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 34412 times:

Two things that I found interesting....

#1: Nice looking IFE.

#2:

Quote:
The Port Authority spokesman confirmed that the passenger, whose name has not been released, was transported to a local Queens hospital after the flight landed, but local authorities did not feel it warranted charges. They added that these types of incidents happen "once in a while, but not that often."

Really? The dude got really lucky imho.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13940 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 34357 times:

I remember having read a while ago about some obnoxious, drunken passenger, who annoyed the whole aircrafdt, until two burly Hell´s Angels type passengers from a few rows further back politely asked the FA, if they could swap to the two empty seats left and right of said passenger. Instant peace for the rest of the flight after they took their seats.

Jan


User currently offlineUnflug From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 429 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 34329 times:

It most probably was necessary to tie him up as they did. I'm OK with that.

I'm not so sure if it is OK to publish the photo clearly showing his face: whatever he did I think that might infringe his personal rights.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13940 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 34167 times:

Quoting Unflug (Reply 12):
I'm not so sure if it is OK to publish the photo clearly showing his face: whatever he did I think that might infringe his personal rights.

Then he shouldn´t have made an @ss out of himself in a public place. Though luck.

Jan


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9264 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 34026 times:

Sorry - this is just awesome. Another reason to love Icelandair.


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User currently offlineplateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 922 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 33934 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 3):
That was my first thought too - he may have been noisy or foul-mouthed, whatever, but taping his mouth is not a good idea.

article says he was spitting on multiple people, so I think it is a good idea



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User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 33935 times:

Would he able to sue Icelandair? It looks like he has reasons to!

User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4876 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 33874 times:

I had to chuckle at this picture, then I had to dive into our Flight Ops Manual.

It clearly states that while restraint may be necessary, at no time may the person be attached to the aircraft in any way. This is for the safety considerations mentioned above.

This must have been a real bad case!



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User currently offlineplateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 922 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 33746 times:

Can anyone advise .. since the jet is flagged in Iceland and was landing in US, what laws apply? American or Icelandic?

And off topic but let's say a US Airways flight CLT-CDG diverts to LHR, whose laws then?



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User currently offlineeaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 33733 times:

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 1):
Mmmm, not totally sure this construes 'reasonable restraint' but then who knows the circumstances I suppose. Certainly gagging is not considered legal in the UK, and raises a few safety concerns of its own!
Quoting okAY (Reply 8):
as tragic-comic the picture is, it does raise some concerns in my mind. I understand feelings got heated among the passengers and the crew, but indeed the crew should have realized that gagging someone is not the right procedure. Just the fact that the guy was intoxicated should make one realize that the excess alcohol might need to come out, by throwing up. The situation could have resulted in the guy throwing up, but not being able to let it out of his mouth, thus choking on his own vomit. The actions of the crew should be revised here, in my opinion.

The reason they covered his mouth is because he was spitting at people.

Quoting Unflug (Reply 12):
I'm not so sure if it is OK to publish the photo clearly showing his face: whatever he did I think that might infringe his personal rights.

Icelandair didn't publish the photo but rather one of the passengers put this photo on Facebook

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 16):
Would he able to sue Icelandair? It looks like he has reasons to!

I doubt he could sue Icelandair. When you're flying the captain is given certain executive powers over passengers. One of the things that can do is have you restrained. It's much like the police can restrain you if there's reason to and no one would think of suing the police if the force is reasonable.

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 1):
Can also make out that the passenger is actually lashed with tape to the seat which is clear safety infringement as he'd be powerless to escape in an emergency....

They probably deem it to be a bigger danger to the aircraft and passengers to not tie him to the chair.

[Edited 2013-01-04 10:22:28]

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 33668 times:
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Quoting mmedford (Reply 4):
he'll be fine... With enough time to sober up, he was probably calm upon landing.

Sweet !

I do keep a roll of duct tape in my checked luggage.

Unfortunately, I'm the one who usually becomes the 'passenger from h*ll'   


User currently offlineordwaw From United States of America, joined May 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32939 times:

Quoting plateman (Reply 18):
Can anyone advise .. since the jet is flagged in Iceland and was landing in US, what laws apply? American or Icelandic?

And off topic but let's say a US Airways flight CLT-CDG diverts to LHR, whose laws then?

We had a similar discussion on another thread and the conclusion was that it was jurisdiction of the airport the plane lands in / is diverted to. Someone made a comment that a court in Ireland saw quite a few such instances from TATL fights. So in the case of Icelandic here it would be NYC and US courts, and in the CLT-CDG above it would be LHR and UK court system.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5553 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32019 times:

Quoting Unflug (Reply 12):

I'm not so sure if it is OK to publish the photo clearly showing his face: whatever he did I think that might infringe his personal rights.

You don't have "personal rights" in a public setting, unless the photo is being used for non-news commercial purposes.

Quoting plateman (Reply 18):
Can anyone advise .. since the jet is flagged in Iceland and was landing in US, what laws apply? American or Icelandic?

Both, although in practice (and probably confirmed in the treaties signed) the country the aircraft lands at would handle the prosecution. Interesting though, in this case, that the Queens DA decided to not press charges... probably to allow a swift deportation.

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 1):
Mmmm, not totally sure this construes 'reasonable restraint'

As long as he was closely monitored for signs of vomiting and other distress, there's nothing legally wrong with the gag. He does not have the right to be able to commit assault by spitting on and choking people, nor do people not have the right to take the steps necessary to stop the attack.



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User currently offlineGatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 31597 times:

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 1):

Mmmm, not totally sure this construes 'reasonable restraint' but then who knows the circumstances I suppose. Certainly gagging is not considered legal in the UK, and raises a few safety concerns of its own!

Can also make out that the passenger is actually lashed with tape to the seat which is clear safety infringement as he'd be powerless to escape in an emergency....

I'll echo others sentiments, but if someone is a safety risk, especially on an aircraft where their actions can affect hundreds of other people, said person deserves any punishment they get. The key is to safeguard the aircraft. He wasn't gagged and taped to a seat for fun.



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User currently offlinebwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1366 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 31460 times:

I can sympathise with the pax and crew tying up the drunkard, but they've taken it too far. If there's an emergency, however unlikely, this guy has little or no chance of getting out of the plane. Also, drunk people tend to fall asleep and can vomit while sleeping without waking up. He'd suffocate, and could be dead before anybody notices.
Ofcourse it's easy to judge from the sideline. But ideally, the guy should've been tied up and then strapped in his chair with the seatbelt, and never ever obstruct somebody's mouth.



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25 MD11Engineer : You forgot to safeguard the other passengers as well. Saliva is a biohazard and can carry infectious diseases. The alternative would be to have a bur
26 Post contains images Maverick623 : Which would make things worse, as he'd then be spitting blood. I disagree. This is not about punishment, this is about stopping dangerous behavior. T
27 Post contains images CRJ900 : Haha That was just a brilliant idea. But what do you do when the unruly pax is a burly HA's type?
28 Post contains images Gatorman96 : Oh, no question! Sorry, I should've been more specific instead of lumping passengers into the word aircraft. I in fact prefer your second option. The
29 eaa3 : According to the news there was one or two flight attendant watching over him at all times.
30 KC135Hydraulics : Everyone here at work just got a laugh at this dude's expense. NO sympathy for him whatsoever. I'll bet he never does that again.
31 btblue : Not sure about taping his mouth up. The rest of him absolutely but you're on dodgy ground if you tape his gob shut. He could hyperventilate and have a
32 Viscount724 : American laws, at least once the aircraft lands. British laws.
33 manny : Maybe he even enjoyed it.
34 winstonlegthigh : Echoing the concerns about safety. I'm in no way defending the actions of a drunk, but he's screwed if a situation requiring a quick exit should have
35 eaa3 : Yeah but what are you supposed to do if he's spitting at people in a full plane.
36 Maverick623 : Tough cookies. He shouldn't have been choking and spitting on people. In his state, it's unlikely he'd get out on his own anyways, and would probably
37 Unflug : I didn't say Icelandair was at fault regarding the picture. Depends on the law in question. If German law was applicable he could sue the gothamist f
38 eaa3 : But I think it's pretty standard on any airline for someone being disorderly to be handcuffed (with plastic restraints usually). If you're handcuffed
39 N505FX : Awww....come on now, whats wrong with a little "frontier justice"? You choke someone -> your hands get immobilized. You get out of your seat when
40 winstonlegthigh : In which case he would have been arrested, which he was not. Wouldn't be surprised if "choking" wasn't quite an accurate description of what he was d
41 btblue : Move him to the seat next to the window. Move him to an area of the aircraft where he will not trouble other passengers. I see your point but there h
42 btblue : On a side note... what is that outside of the window. It's surely not the wing.
44 Post contains links eaa3 : Here's a news story about the incident that interviews one of the passengers. Most of the news story is in English as they interview the American pass
45 Post contains images glideslope : Going to get very ugly. Not much space below the nostrils to breath. Plus the taping to the chair!! Oh My! Edit: Looks like they wedged an object unde
46 CoachClass : I think the mouth taping of an intoxicated person is very dangerous, even if he's being watched since if he throws up--which he can't tell any one he'
47 Maverick623 : Just curious, is it because the Gothamist is a commercial entity, or are you not allowed to publish photos anywhere of anyone without their explicit
48 eaa3 : The airline can also press charges. But a decision like that probably takes longer than just a couple of hours.
49 tonystan : I am curious by the number of comments made by people suggesting its wrong to have a disruptive passenger tied down to the aircraft in the event of an
50 Unflug : It is the latter. You generally do need explicit permission with a few exemptions: a) if the subject is a person of historical interest b) if the sub
51 Gatorman96 : It appears they didn't completely cover his mouth, only taping his top lip. Either way, I am shocked that people are defending this individual. Sure h
52 MD11Engineer : That´s German law and AFIAK, there is also an exemption for newsworthy stuff, else all the press photographers would be out of a job. And that restr
53 RussianJet : Seems that restraint kits should include spit hoods.
54 WROORD : The picture looks hallarious, something like a comedy skit from SNL. It could be a good evidence for a lawsuit once the fellow gets sober.
55 peterjohns : What a picture! If it would be a little more in focus I am sure it would make the Top 5 on Airliners front page (why doesn´t it?- this is far better
56 AirframeAS : You know why? I'm not defending this drunk guy but..... My theory is this: Icelandair took this situation a tad bit way too far. This is a safety and
57 Post contains images airproxx : Some sort of bondage fantasy I guess? Don't mess with Icelandair! lol
58 Byrdluvs747 : It seems as thought the europeans on this thread are all whining about this criminal's rights. While the Americans tend to side with a little frontier
59 longhauler : It is normal procedure to land en-route if the airline feels safety is an issue. On a flight from Reyjavik to JFK, that flight would have overflown d
60 Post contains images GBerg : Hello A. netters This is my first post here, after being reading the forums for ten months. According to Icelandic media this man drank a whole bottle
61 Post contains images ltbewr : Boy, is he going to have one nasty hangover. As cited, the unruly pax was transported to a nearby hospital to JFK, where he will be examined over a fe
62 FlyboyOz : In that photo, PTV shows that the plane is actually in the middle between 2 cities.
63 RussianJet : Not sure if you include my concern about the gag in there, but if you do - my position has far more to do with the position to accidentally kill the
64 AA94 : I understand and echo some of the sentiments about safety. However, this gentlemen made a choice to consume an entire bottle of liquor after takeoff,
65 EricR : Icelandair took this situation a tad bit way too far. Too far? After what that clown did, they should have strapped him to the wing.
66 longhauler : While clearly there is a lot of emotion regarding this gentleman in this message string, one has to remember that there is a right way and a wrong way
67 Gatorman96 : This picture appears to have been taken inflight, somewhere over that Atlantic. Maybe they cut him loose once he sobered up before landing. This pict
68 Seabiscuit : Your pistol whipping and restraining comparison is not in the same ball park. If this gentleman was assaulting people on the plane then the people re
69 Post contains links sankaps : While the story may be true, I have doubts about the photo... icelandair only flies 757s, and this photo does not look like a 757.... It looks more li
70 Ditzyboy : You are obviously not familiar with the interior of the newer 757s, basically the same as the 737NG (non-BSI), or FI's onboard product. The photo you
71 spacecadet : No, the captain is in charge of the aircraft, he is not "the law". The captain could not, for example, order his flight attendants to chop this guy u
72 IAH59 : I was on a flight from Dubai to Karachi on Emirates back in 2007. I had two drunk passengers across from spilling alcohol all over the place and tried
73 Unflug : There is no such exemption in German law. The press photographers are not so much at risk, since they are not the ones publishing the pictures. And e
74 Maverick623 : Not unless he damaged the aircraft. They may be able to sue him if they incurred costs due to his behavior, but that's about it. Hardly. Self-defense
75 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Nope, just witnessed a few instances of unruly passengers myself and once got very close to a fight with two agressive passengers who threatened to h
76 Post contains links and images YVRFlyer : I like your ways of thinking! That would've taught him some manners. That or a nice stay in Uncle Sam's Cuban Beach Resort. Welcome to my Respected M
77 PanHAM : His face must be pixeled here if published. People have rights here and are not guilty until a judge has found differently and even then they have ri
78 baldwin471 : Don't be a tit on an aircraft or face the consequences. Simples.
79 longhauler : The best way to restrain someone on an airplane is the way I have seen it done, once. Tie his hands behind his back with restraining ties. Tie his fee
80 PanHAM : sounds great, And on an EK A380 you can even water board them vertically upside down in the shower. Seriously, what you suggest is torture. We live i
81 longhauler : Its not torture, there are no pressure points, and he can breathe freely ... he just cant move. That picture is torture!
82 Post contains links LondonCity : There's more information about the incident posted on the Daily Mail's website: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...man-ranting-plane-going-crash.h
83 readytotaxi : Two things to say on the matter, first I agree with CoachClass Second, pls take a look at the photo again, out of the windows, the horizon angle, does
84 PanHAM : lying down in that position for several hours IS torture and can lead to severe medical probems., Everyone even considering that oin such a situation
85 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : It looks like this flyers New Years party carried over. I suppose he was happy leaving Iceland this time of year with four and a half hours of dayligh
86 longhauler : Laying on a blanket, with a pillow under his head, on his side??? Heck, that's how 99% of us sleep. And with a clear breathing passage it is how 100%
87 PanHAM : may be, but what if that guy is part of the 15. I move from one side to the other while I sleep numerous times. If you tie up a burglar that way in h
88 Gatorman96 : The only object in the window is the wing and based off of the PTV screen, you can see that they appear to be in the middle of their flightpath. We a
89 longhauler : That was my first impression, and I would be very surprised if Icelandair does not have to answer to American authorities for allowing this to happen
90 PanHAM : with the publicity that got I would be more than surprised if the lawyers are not queing up at his door.
91 Gatorman96 : Choke a woman, spit on others, claim the plane is going to crash, and this guy may get rewarded? What a fantastic world we live in. He will lose in c
92 longhauler : No one is justifying this gentleman's actions. However, in a civilized country, everyone has the right to be treated civilly. It is like the child mo
93 N505FX : The ends justify the means. And for those who are crying about not diverting - you still would have needed to restrain the guy - or do you suppose he
94 Gatorman96 : This is not mob rule or anybody enacting their own justice. A situation presented itself, mid flight over the Atlantic, with no quick alternate airpo
95 longhauler : I'll say this again. There are very easy ways to restrain an unruly passenger that do not involve restricting his breathing, nor prevent him from a q
96 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : There is a story on this in the Daily Mail with pictures. They even taped his mouth shut! There are some rather amusing comments following the article
97 CARST : Hey, who took the picture of me sleeping on a plane? hohohooho Why are some people getting so worked up about the safety of this guy? IMHO he lost all
98 Gatorman96 : So don't pound a bottle of liquor during a flight! "If" a situation had arisen, tell me how safe it would be to have an overweight drunk passenger st
99 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : We also have to think think there may not have been a airport within close proximity to divert too. Someone in a earlier post posted what appears to
100 longhauler : Did you not read my method of restraint mentioned above? Which incidentally is what is normally done, and has been done. That passenger would not mov
101 Byrdluvs747 : Spare us the bleeding heart logic. The method of restraint will have no bearing on his assault of cabin crew and passengers.
102 Gatorman96 : No offense, but the method you recommend sounds just as "torturous," if not worse than what this passenger endured. On top of that, sounds even more
103 PanHAM : In a civilized world justice is not about revenge. So far there have not been any charges agaoinst that guy and that picture here is enough to get th
104 longhauler : You really didn't read any previous comments, did you? I give up.
105 Gatorman96 : I thought I did. This? Sounds pretty rough. Either way, I agree, that in a perfect situation, this is not the best or most humane way to restrain som
106 Post contains images sweair : Ok the mouth and vomit is a question to ask but he deserved being tied up. What other options is there? You could knock him out cold I guess.. I sat n
107 Post contains links Viscount724 : Goose Bay (YYR) probably closer on that route, and YYR has had recent experience with diversions due to unruly passengers in the 2012 and 2010 incide
108 ltbewr : One question I have is why didn't the F/A's stop this person from consuming his duty-free booze? Perhaps they just didn't see it, maybe they feared a
109 zkokq : Every one keeps saying the what's ifs. Well what about if this grub has some sort of disease that could be spread through saliva as he spat on people?
110 mariner : Twenty years ago, it was commonly believed that AIDS was transmitted by spit. mariner
111 Superfly : This is awesome! One of the best cabin view shots ever. I just hope there was an Airliners.net member on-board because I'd love to read that trip repo
112 AR385 : About 15 years ago, back when I was young and stupid (ok, so I may still be stupid, but not young) a friend of mine and I boarded an SAS 763 EWR-OSL.
113 Unflug : Well: Prosecutors declined to charge him for what he did because too many passengers were reluctant to discuss his outburst with authorities, the New
114 HAWK21M : Will a drunk distrupt an Emergency evacuation......If it will.....Then it can be serious.
115 Kaiarahi : You obviously know nothing about criminal law and procedure. Suspects who are abused / wrongly treated usually escape conviction. As in this case, wh
116 sweair : Wouldn´t it be better if you could pick up your duty free booze on arrival on your destination, saves weight and lessens incidents like this?
117 Kaiarahi : It's a standard restraint procedure where immobilization is required which is approved by relevant authorities and used by many, many law enforcement
118 toobz : After reading these comments...it's clear that people from Europe and the US have two different views on torture lol Please don't flame me it's an obs
119 PanHAM : Here as well, definately it is an insult. But the one insulted cannot punish. If someone shows you the finger on the road, even stopping that person
120 Gatorman96 : Correct, which is why I included the word subpoena. The passengers would be required by law to give their side of the story, which I believe would no
121 PanHAM : Yup, For that you need the passengers adresses, many stay only one day at the first hotel. By the time the system is through with that, many of the E
122 comairguycvg : I'm not getting the view out the window. If that's the wing, it looks as if it's bent up pretty substantialy to be at an angel like that.
123 Gatorman96 : Completely right, which is why the NY prosecutors decided not to press charges and a civil case has no legs to stand on. Far too many resources would
124 CoachClass : Maybe the incident wasn't as bad a people alleged and they didn't want to expose their over-reaction? While the passengers may be reluctant to testif
125 wb556 : It can't have been that bad if he wasn't charged. Maybe he had a mental health issue or bad reaction to medication in combination with alcohol?
126 Viscount724 : There are quite a few arrivals duty free shops at various airports now. They were introduced at ZRH and GVA a couple of years ago. At GVA you basical
127 Post contains images MD-90 : So what do you do if you tie a drunk up like that and he has to pee?
128 s5daw : I thought that was the horizon. But it also doesn't make sense that they would still be climbing out, right?
129 Superfly : This photo is database quality. It should be added to the database. What is the registration of this aircraft?
130 fca767 : Surely that daily mail pic isn't the aircraft in the Aerial Photo, how can the daily mail claim it to be this and have no name of the original owner.
131 Kaiarahi : And you "know" this how? Did the police consult a prosecutor? If they did, were you there for the discussion? Why? Brought by whom? Against whom?
132 eaa3 : According to Icelandic media Icelandair is going to press charges in Icelandic court.
133 Post contains images enilria : Wow, Drew Carey continues his slide.
134 airways1 : At least they let him keep his glasses on.
135 Kaiarahi : Unsurprising. Assuming the incident occurred in international airspace, the country of registration has primary jurisdiction under the Tokyo Conventi
136 bobnwa : Anyone has the right to sue anyone else for any reason.Winning this lawsuit is another matter. Why would you even have that question?
137 Post contains images CaptCufflinks : Does a drinks trolley constitute a part of the aircraft? Tie him to one with the brakes off then ask the captain for a couple of steep climbs. Stuff
138 tardis : Agreed, individuals need to be responsible for themselves, and not inflict their irresponsibility upon others.
139 RussianJet : Hey, why not? We could have a whole new category: Flight Decks Cabin Views Aicraft Tail Wings / Winglets Aircraft Nose Close-ups Tied-up Rowdy Passen
140 Post contains links max999 : And now of course, there's the video to accompany this episode. http://gothamist.com/2013/01/09/vide...s_see_the_unruly_icelandair_pa.php
141 HAWK21M : Break the rules.....Endanger others.....face the music......
142 Post contains images olddominion727 : is it me or does anyone else realize the really crappy leg room?
143 RussianJet : Oh dear, that was truly pitiful viewing. I note that the article also says he was treated for alcohol poisoning, so he must have drunk a genuinely he
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