Interesting, especially when comparing the location with today's situation, including the remnants of that era.
It's interesting that runway 08-26 still has those numbers today (although it's now 08R-26L and is longer) , but the 1959 runway 11-29 became 12-30 (also extended) at some point. Runways are of course often renumbered due to the change in magnetic variation but I would have thought it would affect all runways. Wonder why 08-26 didn't change?
The old terminal on the south side of YVR was a poor excuse for a terminal for a major city until the first phase of the current terminal opened on the north side in 1968. The old terminal was actually 2 buildings. The old original terminal from the 1930s (after a few expansions) faced north and was used by CP and Pacific Western. A newer shed-like structure which was built around 1957 faced west around the corner and served AC, UA and Western (Western didn't serve YVR until 1967) I forget which terminal QF used for their once-a-week tag-on from SFO. I think those were all the scheduled carriers serving YVR then apart from one or two small local operators.
The South Terminal area is still used today by a couple of local carriers, e.g. Pacific Coastal Airlines.
The photo that pans from 6:32 to 6:40 in the following montage (produced by YVR airport on the airport's 80th anniversary in 2011) shows the pre-1968 terminal facilities. The photo includes one of every type in the AC fleet then (Viscount, Vanguard, DC-8), a UA 720, 3 CP DC-8s, and a Pacific Western DC-7C (ex-KLM) which they operated briefly on longhaul charters. Photo probably dates from the 1965-67 period. It's not before 1965 as TCA didn't change its name to AC until January 1965. It should open at the start of that photo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...etailpage&v=JLKXw9igpa8#t=392s
N243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1571 posts, RR: 21 Reply 16, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9873 times:
Thanks for the link. My favorite part was seeing the old Amon Carter Airport and Greater Southwest Regional Airport, the precursor to the modern-day DFW. The remnants of the north end of 18/36 is still visible near AMR headquarters.
skywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9202 times:
Looking at his MKC approach charts I see there used to be a MKC VOR. The VOR looks like it is still there on Google Earth but it is not on the current charts. I wonder how long ago that was decomissioned. It appears to be located near DUSTN intersection on the ILS runway 27 approach to MCI. I suppose it could have been part of that approach at one time but I wouldn't be surprised though if it was decomissioned in '72 when the airlines moved from MKC to MCI. Wonder if the Feds still own the land or worse maybe leasing it from the farm that surrounds it. It appears to be located along the NW 102nd Street alignment just west of US 169.
denverdanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 247 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4398 times:
These are interesting thanks. I like the aircraft model breakdowns. You can see in some of the charts, at least the Denver ones I looked at, how much smaller and compact the cities are still. Not the sprawl, suburbanization and spreading out of the cities yet. I live in Stapleton now, so interesting to look at the size of the airport back then too--think about it on walks.
skywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3956 times:
Quoting timz (Reply 19): The 3/97 high-alt chart shows MKC at 39 deg 16.76 min N 94 deg 35.48 min W; on the June 2000 chart it's gone.
Yup that's where I was looking, almost dead on for DUSTN intersection now or where NW 102nd Street would be west of US 169. I didn't ever remember seeing it on the VFR or low charts growing up there. My father was a private pilot and very rarely did I ever see a high chart. I didn't have my license when I lived there so I might have overlooked it. Good to know it's only been deactivated 10-15 years then instead of 40. It didn't look like something that had been neglected for 40 years from the aerial/sat pic. Unfortunately I could easily believe someone left the darn thing all this time. Hope not
I think it has been 20 years since Lake Havasu, AZ relocated their airport (HII) and it took almost that long for an observant pilot to note the Class E airspace was never changed on the VFR chart. I flew in and out of there and never thought anything was wrong then either. At least they had the new airport in the right place on the chart.
71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2854 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3757 times:
Many VORs that had the same name as the nearby airport but were not located on the airport were shut down over the years to avoid confusion I would guess. We used to have a New Orleans VOR in Lake Pontchartrain close to the Metairie shoreline and visible from the Causeway Bridge, but it is long gone now and has been for many years.
"Back in the Day", as magnetic headings changed, when the heading "clicks over" to the next runway name nomenclature, the runway would have been renamed. It is not uncommon for only one runway on a field to reach that "click over point" at a time and be renamed.
However, today, runways no longer follow that nomenclature where multiple parallel runways exist. So for example, at YYZ, 23, 24R and 24L are all 237 degrees. Or LAX, 24R, 24L, 25R, 25L are all 249 degrees.
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