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Total 777 Sales Aproach 747  
User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3473 posts, RR: 67
Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9131 times:

From Boeing's 2012 sales results posted yesterday:

Total 747 Sales = 1525
Total 777 Sales = 1431

With a difference of only 94 sales, it appears that the 777 total will over take the 747 in the near future, probably no later than the end of 2014


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User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9018 times:

Impressive! Any word on Boeing's plans to launch the 777X?

User currently offlineliftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8802 times:

My guess is Boeing will launch 777X once 787 and 747-8 deliveries meet expectations.


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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Germany, joined Jan 2013, 1566 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8715 times:

That's impressive, especially when you know that it only took about half the sales time of the 747 to reach that level for the 777.

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 1):
Any word on Boeing's plans to launch the 777X?

I believe it's better for Boeing to cross one bridge at a time right now.



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User currently offlineliftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8583 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 3):
I believe it's better for Boeing to cross one bridge at a time right now.

Especially considering a gulf carrier like EK would not be very tolerant to four year delays...



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User currently offlinefanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1959 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8515 times:

I was impressed when I heard that Boeing had recently delivered its 1,000th Boeing 777. I remember how long it was until they rolled the 1,000th 747 for SQ. Both planes are superb designs - and not too bad looking either!


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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8040 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8379 times:

I remember when the 727 was the best selling jetliner in world history when the last frame rolled off the line, the 1,832nd 727. That was in 1984. Nothing could ever top that. Of course the A320 and 737 have sailed way past, into numbers that would have seemed impossible back in 1984 (the world's population has added 2 billion since, so a big expansion of air travel was going to happen, but still...). But for a wide body to hit these kind of numbers is amazing. I bet Boeing never thought they'd see 1,000 747s, never mind 1,500 and still climbing. Remember other widebodies did a fraction of this kind of business - TriStar was 250, MD-11 was 250, DC-10 was 446 inc military sales, even Airbus' miracle machine the A300 only did 561. The 767, Boeing's most profitable programme, has just passed the 1,000 mark.

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 3):
I believe it's better for Boeing to cross one bridge at a time right now.

...than do the 777X - yes, although it's been quiet for weeks, the 787 still feels like it's not out of the woods yet, give it two years with a number of smooth EISs and no incidents in service and then it'll be time to turn to the 777X. Anyway the 777-300ER is the real Dreamliner. The 787 is great for 200 pax on niche routes like Helsinki to Mombassa or Boston to Tokyo, but come on - the 777-300ER does 420 seats (that's Etihad's config - luxurious J and ten-abreast Y) plus 7,600 cubic feet of cargo (floor locks for 44 LD3 bins!), unlimited range and no payload restrictions almost ever? On two engines? The 787 doesn't come close to that. Dream dream dream...



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2676 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7878 times:

I find it amazing that since decades Boeing is developing airliners, which are selling in numbers of more than 1,000 units, the B 707 / B 720 being the only exception (although close to 1,000 units).

User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7745 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 7):
I find it amazing that since decades Boeing is developing airliners, which are selling in numbers of more than 1,000 units, the B 707 / B 720 being the only exception (although close to 1,000 units).

On the contrary, a tad over 1,000 707 /720 were built.



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7561 times:

Wouldn't the 748i be a perfect plane for SAA, they said twins don't make it because of hot and high. And no ETOPS problems either with the 748i, a bit larger than the A346 but should have decent economics? Post 2015 748i will be a very good plane!

User currently offlineA520 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7552 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 6):
But for a wide body to hit these kind of numbers is amazing.

The 727 is hardly a wide body! (same frame as the 737)


User currently offlinetrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 535 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7496 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 6):
unlimited range and no payload restrictions almost ever?

Oh really? So why doesn't it fly non-stop SYD-LHR?? (or SYD/JFK etc)...


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3813 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7397 times:

Quoting A520 (Reply 10):
The 727 is hardly a wide body! (same frame as the 737)

I think he was referring to the 747 / 777 and the comparison between widebodies and narrow bodies in sales


User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6968 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 12):
Quoting A520 (Reply 10):
The 727 is hardly a wide body! (same frame as the 737)

I think he was referring to the 747 / 777 and the comparison between widebodies and narrow bodies in sales

That's right but some people seem to read a sentence narrowly without properly perusing the whole post or paragraph to get the context. Not the first example and won't be the last.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2175 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6749 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 6):
unlimited range and no payload restrictions almost ever? On two engines?

Well to be fair its not unlimited, Remember that all aircraft are limited to a certain range depending on its payload... while the 777 does indeed have decent range without payload restrictions, 7500NM for 77L if I remember correctly, its still limited... But, even now im still amazed at the capabilities of this twin engine aircraft.

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Thread starter):
Total 747 Sales = 1525
Total 777 Sales = 1431

With a difference of only 94 sales, it appears that the 777 total will over take the 747 in the near future, probably no later than the end of 2014

Its only a matter of time....



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6682 times:

Boeing has done remarkably well selling their B-700 family of airplanes. Of the NBs, only the B-717 did not sell 1000+ airframes, but that airplane was really a MD design and launch. All of the WBs have also sold 1000+ airframes, save the B-787 which is knocking on the 1000+ sales door.

Airbus has done reasonably well too, but the A-300, A-310, A-340 all did not even break the 700 barrier. The jury is still out on if the A-380 will ever hit the 1000 sales mark, it has a long way to go. The A-32X and A-330 are both Airbus success stories.


User currently offlineodwyerpw From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6284 times:

True, even the 757 did it... in 25 years... almost 1050.


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User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 6):
The 767, Boeing's most profitable programme,

Really? What made it so profitable? I thought that honor belonged to the venerable 737 with 10,400+ ordered & 7,400+ already delivered, or even the 747 or 777 more expensive aircrafts that sold in greater numbers.


User currently offlineliftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 17):
What made it so profitable?

The new 767 Tanker program has extended the life of the 767 by a far stretch.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30437 posts, RR: 84
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3388 times:
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While some claim Boeing has to sell a 767 at cost to get anyone to take it, with the new FAL Boeing has reduced production time by some 30% and that should have taken a good chunk out of the production costs, as well. When you consider the revenue and margin drain each 747-8 and 787 delivery has, I would not be surprised at all if increased 767 deliveries are contributing to Boeing still seeing strong revenues and margins.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4824 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 11):

How many Ultra Long routes do we have today...? Probably a handful, & explains why there's no LHR-SYD... Plus the aircraft would be limited to operate all year round...

Certainly a milestone and all credit to Boeing for delivering a superb product...

EK413



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