fanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1894 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7253 times:
I was impressed when I heard that Boeing had recently delivered its 1,000th Boeing 777. I remember how long it was until they rolled the 1,000th 747 for SQ. Both planes are superb designs - and not too bad looking either!
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cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7702 posts, RR: 55 Reply 6, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7117 times:
I remember when the 727 was the best selling jetliner in world history when the last frame rolled off the line, the 1,832nd 727. That was in 1984. Nothing could ever top that. Of course the A320 and 737 have sailed way past, into numbers that would have seemed impossible back in 1984 (the world's population has added 2 billion since, so a big expansion of air travel was going to happen, but still...). But for a wide body to hit these kind of numbers is amazing. I bet Boeing never thought they'd see 1,000 747s, never mind 1,500 and still climbing. Remember other widebodies did a fraction of this kind of business - TriStar was 250, MD-11 was 250, DC-10 was 446 inc military sales, even Airbus' miracle machine the A300 only did 561. The 767, Boeing's most profitable programme, has just passed the 1,000 mark.
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 3): I believe it's better for Boeing to cross one bridge at a time right now.
...than do the 777X - yes, although it's been quiet for weeks, the 787 still feels like it's not out of the woods yet, give it two years with a number of smooth EISs and no incidents in service and then it'll be time to turn to the 777X. Anyway the 777-300ER is the real Dreamliner. The 787 is great for 200 pax on niche routes like Helsinki to Mombassa or Boston to Tokyo, but come on - the 777-300ER does 420 seats (that's Etihad's config - luxurious J and ten-abreast Y) plus 7,600 cubic feet of cargo (floor locks for 44 LD3 bins!), unlimited range and no payload restrictions almost ever? On two engines? The 787 doesn't come close to that. Dream dream dream...
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N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2313 posts, RR: 25 Reply 7, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6616 times:
I find it amazing that since decades Boeing is developing airliners, which are selling in numbers of more than 1,000 units, the B 707 / B 720 being the only exception (although close to 1,000 units).
neutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 350 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6483 times:
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 7): I find it amazing that since decades Boeing is developing airliners, which are selling in numbers of more than 1,000 units, the B 707 / B 720 being the only exception (although close to 1,000 units).
On the contrary, a tad over 1,000 707 /720 were built.
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1549 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6299 times:
Wouldn't the 748i be a perfect plane for SAA, they said twins don't make it because of hot and high. And no ETOPS problems either with the 748i, a bit larger than the A346 but should have decent economics? Post 2015 748i will be a very good plane!
neutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 350 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5706 times:
Quoting Mortyman (Reply 12): Quoting A520 (Reply 10):
The 727 is hardly a wide body! (same frame as the 737)
I think he was referring to the 747 / 777 and the comparison between widebodies and narrow bodies in sales
That's right but some people seem to read a sentence narrowly without properly perusing the whole post or paragraph to get the context. Not the first example and won't be the last.
817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 1402 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5487 times:
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 6): unlimited range and no payload restrictions almost ever? On two engines?
Well to be fair its not unlimited, Remember that all aircraft are limited to a certain range depending on its payload... while the 777 does indeed have decent range without payload restrictions, 7500NM for 77L if I remember correctly, its still limited... But, even now im still amazed at the capabilities of this twin engine aircraft.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11705 posts, RR: 52 Reply 15, posted (4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5420 times:
Boeing has done remarkably well selling their B-700 family of airplanes. Of the NBs, only the B-717 did not sell 1000+ airframes, but that airplane was really a MD design and launch. All of the WBs have also sold 1000+ airframes, save the B-787 which is knocking on the 1000+ sales door.
Airbus has done reasonably well too, but the A-300, A-310, A-340 all did not even break the 700 barrier. The jury is still out on if the A-380 will ever hit the 1000 sales mark, it has a long way to go. The A-32X and A-330 are both Airbus success stories.
L0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 179 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2821 times:
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 6): The 767, Boeing's most profitable programme,
Really? What made it so profitable? I thought that honor belonged to the venerable 737 with 10,400+ ordered & 7,400+ already delivered, or even the 747 or 777 more expensive aircrafts that sold in greater numbers.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26682 posts, RR: 83 Reply 19, posted (4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2126 times:
While some claim Boeing has to sell a 767 at cost to get anyone to take it, with the new FAL Boeing has reduced production time by some 30% and that should have taken a good chunk out of the production costs, as well. When you consider the revenue and margin drain each 747-8 and 787 delivery has, I would not be surprised at all if increased 767 deliveries are contributing to Boeing still seeing strong revenues and margins.
How many Ultra Long routes do we have today...? Probably a handful, & explains why there's no LHR-SYD... Plus the aircraft would be limited to operate all year round...
Certainly a milestone and all credit to Boeing for delivering a superb product...
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