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User currently offlinebigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 21535 times:
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With the beginning of 2013 how many DC-9s are currently in service? Will they begin the withdrawal before the beginning of deliveries of the717? Also of the currently known nunmber of 65 MD-90s planned for the fleet, how many are still remaining to actually put in service? I know that there are a few still in service with JAL but I think they are supposed to be withdrawn by the end of March. Is this correct?


bigbird from georgia
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User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 21555 times:

IIRC, there are 17 or 18 (I think 17) DC-9s left in service, all to be retired this year.

I was surprised to learn of their retirement plans. After all, these are the old NWA birds that have been doing powerbacks for 40 years! An a.net eternal question has been answered: When will the NWA 9s be retired?


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 21424 times:

An updated question would read: 'When will the Delta DC-9s be retired?'


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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2364 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 21388 times:
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The D95s will remain active into 2014. Several 752s will be retired before their replacements are online. The D95s and MD-90s will temporarily cover this capacity. The D95 will also provide DL some insurance until a successful 717 on-boarding has been established. By successful, I mean more than 10 frames with limited issues.


There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineairtechy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 21235 times:

They will keep a DC-9 active at Mojave to bring back the Airbus ferry pilots.   

User currently offlineTan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 21071 times:

Quoting airtechy (Reply 4):
They will keep a DC-9 active at Mojave to bring back the Airbus ferry pilots.

The B717 (MD95) will still be flying ! they will just drop in and pick'em up and haul'em back to Atlanta.

So a Testament to the engineers at Long Beach in the early 60's.,first delivery in 65..still the BASIC design, and the same airframe will be in service probably until 2025..maybe a few more beyond that...who knows. So if my math is correct that would be 60 years.

I'd say that is a darn good run. The only aircraft I can forsee overtaking that is the 737. In service in 1968 (maybe late 67??)and no doubt deliveries of the MAX will go to at least 2030 (my estimate) and in service another 20..so to 2050 ish or so..
you are looking a Boeing design, while refined numerous times, the basic shape, etc remains the same and in the skies for close to 80 years.


User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 21027 times:

But these are indeed the ex-NW DC-9s. They will be here longer than the 717s :p But seriously, knowing the longevity of MDs, these 717s will be here for another 30 years.

DL is planning on replacing the DC-9s in the next couple of years. The 737 will indeed have a longer production run than the -9/80/717, but it remains to be seen which one will be in service last :p


User currently offlinemichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 20937 times:

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 1):
I was surprised to learn of their retirement plans. After all, these are the old NWA birds that have been doing powerbacks for 40 years! An a.net eternal question has been answered: When will the NWA 9s be retired?

Well, not exactly correct. All the DC9's remaining are -50 series which are all less than 40 years old.


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 20895 times:

A DC9 even flew a charter out of MSY yesterday!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...4/history/20130103/1400Z/KMSY/KGNV

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 1):
After all, these are the old NWA birds that have been doing powerbacks for 40 years!

Sadly, powerbacks ended at NW in 2006.



The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offlinekrsw757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 20806 times:

I worked one running MLB-ATL today and asked the pilot. He said one more is leaving tomorrow and he thought that would bring it to 14-15 left.

User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 20706 times:

Quoting michman (Reply 7):
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 8):

Yeah. It was a joke.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3613 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20034 times:

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 5):
The only aircraft I can forsee overtaking that is the 737

I guess some B52s, while not in commercial service and with much less flying time, will live on even longer.

LH is still flying some A320s from 1988. Not so bad either if you ask me.


User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 19197 times:

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 1):
there are 17 or 18 (I think 17) DC-9s left in service, all to be retired this year.

Correct! According to aerotransport.org, DL began 2013 with 18 in service. 1 was sked to be removed from service yesterday (Jan 4) leaving 17 in service. Looks like N401EA was the tail retired yday.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 19077 times:

I just flew on that bird a month ago! I took some pics and posted them on FB...and a buddy of mine from a former carrier said that his father had actually flown that bird years ago! Wild, eh?


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User currently offlinewale03 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18989 times:

Well, it seems one is heading to the desert at the moment.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9931


User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18903 times:

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 12):

Long live N401EA. 1975 built DC-9-51, cn 47682, JT8D-9s, Allegheny to Eastern to NWA to DL. Sad that 3/4 of its operators no longer exist.

And Yahoo! I'm correct!


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10464 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17590 times:

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 5):

So a Testament to the engineers at Long Beach in the early 60's.,first delivery in 65..still the BASIC design, and the same airframe will be in service probably until 2025..maybe a few more beyond that...who knows. So if my math is correct that would be 60 years.

I wonder if my uncle had anything to do with the DC-9 program. I know he was involved with the DC-8.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlinebigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17581 times:
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Hey Guys! I appreciate the answer to my DC-9 question but nobody as yet has addressed my MD-90 question.


bigbird from georgia
User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17556 times:

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 15):
Long live N401EA. 1975 built DC-9-51, cn 47682, JT8D-9s

Dash 9s? I thought they came with -15s, and an option for -17s.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25447 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17518 times:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 18):
Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 15):
Long live N401EA. 1975 built DC-9-51, cn 47682, JT8D-9s

Dash 9s? I thought they came with -15s, and an option for -17s.

No DC-9-51s had the JT8D-9 as far as I can tell. Even the -41 series didn't use the -9.


User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1160 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17515 times:

Quoting bigbird (Thread starter):
Also of the currently known nunmber of 65 MD-90s planned for the fleet, how many are still remaining to actually put in service? I know that there are a few still in service with JAL but I think they are supposed to be withdrawn by the end of March. Is this correct?

Delta has 54 MD-90's in service. Jal's last MD-90 service is in March of this year, so yes you are correct.


User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17473 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
No DC-9-51s had the JT8D-9 as far as I can tell.

Correct. The DL DC-9-51's all had JT8D-17.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25447 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17467 times:

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 20):
JAL's last MD-90 service is in March of this year,

Blog item on a "retirement tour" of the MD-90 early last year. It used the only MD-90 in the new JAL livery.
http://jal-pak.blogspot.ch/2012/11/jal-md-90-retirement-tour.html

And related JAL website page (in Japanese only, but includes some photos).
http://www.jal.co.jp/domtour/md90fnl_charter/

The page above using the Google translate tool.
http://translate.google.com/translat...mtour%2Fmd90fnl_charter%2F&act=url


User currently offlinedalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2557 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 17347 times:

Quoting bigbird (Reply 17):
Hey Guys! I appreciate the answer to my DC-9 question but nobody as yet has addressed my MD-90 question.

I think there are two or three of the first wave of JAL MD-90 that are currently in heavy check before they go into service.


User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 17313 times:

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 21):

You are correct. I had a JT8 info page up in another tab, and last I saw before writing the reply was JT8D-9. I meant to say just JT8D. The DL 9-51s are all JT8D-17.


25 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : The latest update is that the ex-JT frames will be coming to DL. Yes, you read correctly.
26 dtw9 : Surprised to see they let the reservation for reg numbers N966DN-N980DN expire
27 akelley728 : Woah, seriously? I have been suggesting this for over a year but was deemed crazy because Delta supposedly wouldn't touch the ex-Lion Air birds with
28 71Zulu : They all show as available except for N971DN which already shows reserved for DL and N975DN which is deregistered from a 2010 Cessna export and may o
29 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : Northwest Airlines bought a number of Eastern Airlines DC-9-30s that had the you know what beat out of them. They got them so cheap, they could not p
30 AASTEW : I think its also interesting that NWA never placed an actual order for DC-9's they were all acquired through mergers or second hand! AASTEW
31 DTWPurserBoy : To be exact, they are former North Central/Repulic airplanes with on Eastern and one other "generic" thrown in for good mesure.
32 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : Four of the DC-9-51 aircraft besides N401EA never came from Republic Airlines. Three were flown by Swiss Airlines and and one was operated by Austria
33 MountainFlyer : I'm assuming you're referring to N937DN. I flew on her from GEG-MSP on New Year's day; very nice bird.
34 United_fan : I sure am glad DL scheduled them into ROC this past Summer . Those things are LOUD at take off !! I got some nice shots,too! Hopefully they'll schedul
35 Post contains links MaddogJT8D : Friends, I fear that our old friend N401EA has been put out to pasture. According to Flightaware, the ship hasn't flown since January 4th. http://flig
36 DTWPurserBoy : You are quite correct--NW inherited those former MUSE/Transtar airplanes after a swap with WN. They originially never planned to fly them and left th
37 dtw9 : N459BC recently flew KGYR-KBYH. Seems to me that means part-out and not entry into service. I haven't seen one Delta MD-90 transit BYH for reconfigur
38 B757forever : I recently heard from a reliable source that DL had acquired some MD90 frames for part-out. My first assumption was Saudi frames but perhaps these Li
39 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : I have heard in the past that Dealt ahas bought all of Saudi's MD-90 spare parts and is acquiring some of the Saudi MD-90 aircraft for parts also.
40 cornutt : The U.S. military E-3 Sentrys and E-6 Mercurys are built on the 707-320 fuselage and wings. They are among the last few 707 fuselages made (1989-1992
41 Deltal1011man : don't know about aircraft for part out, but Delta did buy spare parts from Saudi
42 TrijetsRMissed : At least one ex-Lion Air MD-90 is being considered for active service.
43 akelley728 : Any guess as to which one? Also are all four ex-Lion Air frames part of this deal (whether in whole or for parts)?
44 yyz717 : DL has bought 9 ex-SAS M80's for part-out so far. I can't see any purchases yet of ex-Lion M90's. Will post here if I see an update. DL has 52 M90's
45 akelley728 : Any update on this?
46 Post contains links Spacepope : Quite right. The ones that have been put into service fly to ATL for paint and VQQ for interiors. One just flew in today: http://flightaware.com/live
47 type-rated : Those MC birds came from Muse Air rather than Muse Airlines.
48 SQ22 : Interesting hint, do you have alonk regarding the Avon? On which line did they built the E-6's? Sorry for being off-topic
49 Post contains links akelley728 : "The current version of the Avon, the Avon 200, is an industrial gas generator that is rated at 21-22,000shp. As of 2011, 1,200 Industrial Avons have
50 bhmdiversion : Wait N401EA is parked now? Sad.
51 cornutt : The airframes were built in Renton; I don't know which line. Of course, Renton has been completely revised since then. The fitting of the E-6 specifi
52 Spacepope : It looks like N458BC has followed on Feb 1. Ex- PK-LIM
53 Candid76 : If it helps at all the following DC9-51s were noted in service at ATL on 18 or 30 January:- N600TR, N675MC, N762/64/66/67/70/73/74/75/77/79/80/82/84/8
54 selmer40 : Today's Airwaysmag.com Fleet Update (excellent Saturday reading) shows MD90-30 N495BC now N501DN as parts plane. Delta has 502DN and 503DN reserved. K
55 yyz717 : Looks like DL purchased an ex-Lion M90 in late January. MSN 53570 Curr reg N459BC in storage at BYH. To be re-reg N501DN. The planned re-reg suggests
56 dtw9 : Nope. This ones for partout. Delta re-reg'ed the SAS MD-80's too.
57 B757forever : Sadly the trip into BYH is generally the last ride for these frames.
58 dtw9 : 502DN and 503DN are also reserved for MD-90's for partout. I will say this, N971DN is reserved for the EVA/UNI fleet. 971DN is the middle reg of the 1
59 yyz717 : Okay thanks! So the DL fleet will remain at the planned 65.
60 B757forever : Not necessarily. The EVA and UNI frames, if acquired, will likely go into service with DL.
61 TrijetsRMissed : Slightly off topic, but DL is finalizing agreements to acquire additional MD-80s, as they are retired from the AA fleet. These aircraft will be used f
62 Deltal1011man : What engines do the 83s have? Are they 219s? IIRC the 82s have 207s.
63 TrijetsRMissed : The MD-83s have the -219s, which is what DL have signed for. These are not the later build ex-TW MD-83s from the late '90s. Rather, they are some of
64 dtw9 : Funding has been approved for the cockpit update for the MD-88's and also the MD-90's. All mods will be complete by 2015. HSI and ADI only,center stac
65 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Indeed... Don't say I didn't tell you so.
66 smilinjack : I flew the DC-9 for Ozark as F/O in 1969....started flying it as capt. in 1978....flew the MD80 from 1983 thru 1992 (TWA). What a great airplane.
67 TrijetsRMissed : As someone involved as a third party on the business side for the MD-80, I salute your service, smilinjack. Off memory, I recall that TW did not not
68 akelley728 : Hmm, with this "limited" updated that would preclude the possibility of the Saudi MD-90s joining Delta, correct?
69 TrijetsRMissed : The upgrade is significant enough. It would make the EFD feature (Enhanced Flightdeck) of the ex-SV MD-90s irrelevant and a moot point. Presumably, t
70 Max Q : Interesting, do you have a picture ?
71 Post contains links dtw9 : Very close to the 737 cockpit upgrade. http://www.innovative-ss.com/platfor...asp?ID=54&L1=2&L2=2&L3=0&display=1
72 akelley728 : Does this upgrade touch the overhead panel? That's where the major difference between the SV and "classic" MD-90 cockpits are, right?
73 smilinjack : "Off memory, I recall that TW did not not receive their first EFIS MD-83 from MDC until 1993. Can you confirm that your tenure was exclusive to the ea
74 Post contains links TrijetsRMissed : Update: Officially, DL have now acquired two ex-AA MD-83s, to date. http://www.planespotters.net/Product...0/49528,N9302B-Delta-Air-Lines.php http://
75 Deltal1011man : so this makes what? 25 ish M80s for Delta? wasn't the SAS number 23?
76 akelley728 : I get that, but I'm not asking about the 717. The point I'm asking is would the SV MD-90 and standard MD-90 (post-mod) have the same pilot rating? Th
77 milesrich : LH received their first 737-130 on December 28, 1967, and put the aircraft in service on February 10, 1968. United put their 737-222s into service on
78 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Allow me to be more clear. The overhead panel of the 717 resembles the MD-11. The overhead panel of an ex-SV MD-90 resembles... an MD-90. Also, any D
79 akelley728 : So a modded "classic" MD-90 and a ex-SV MD-90 would be part of the same pilot category if Delta were to pick up the ex-SV MD-90s and mods them also??
80 TrijetsRMissed : Provided the ex-SV received the mod too.
81 IllinoisMan : It might be time to send the rest of these rust-buckets down to MZJ. My last flight on one was in August from DTW to ORD and it went mechanical on me
82 n7371f : Really? Safety? Absurd post. For some time after the NW merger, the DC-9 fleet had better dispatch reliability than the A319/320 fleet. Hopefully som
83 FlyASAGuy2005 : Oh please. My 753 doing MSP-ATL a couple weeks ago had to be layed down for the day due to MTC causing a 3.5 hour delay and equipment downgrade to a
84 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Bitterness leads to ignorance... Never mind historical significance, eh? What is most humorous about your post is how EASY it is to avoid a D95 in DL
85 Post contains images Deltal1011man : ha. Look the DC-9 is what an M1A2 wants to be when it grows up. Its the airplane version of Chunk Norris. may come as a shock but i have seen 737s co
86 bobnwa : Please supply the details of that sighting. Doubt it ever happened. But it makes for a fairly goog story[Edited 2013-02-21 04:42:35]
87 DTWPurserBoy : The DC-9-50 is definitely NOT a "rust bucket." As has been said on here many times before the age of the airframe is not the issue it is the number o
88 rbgso : I wonder if the Dugan Kinetics thrust reverser can be STCed for the MD90....
89 akelley728 : You're basing this on one flight you took six months ago? I have taken 70+ flights on Delta in the same timeframe, with half being on the DC9/MD88/MD
90 dtw9 : For what? They were found not to work as advertised on the MD-80 and the fuel burn on the MD-90 is just as good as the A320 with V2500's. Also, the M
91 FlyASAGuy2005 : I seem to be on the 88 and 90 most often nowadays due to the types basically being shuttled between Atlanta and Minneapolis for various onward trips.
92 dtw9 : Seems the Aersale listing on Boeing's website for MD-90's for sale or lease has disappeared, they've been listed for months.I can't find them listed a
93 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Is it really any wonder? They being flown to Miami for freighter conversion, of course.
94 akelley728 : Did Aersale wind up taking all of the ex-SV frames?
95 akelley728 : So how many MD-90s are still in mod status at Delta?
96 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : There is NO A319 that will ever fly as long with as many cycles as the DC-9. And I mean any model of the DC-9. The DC-9 is a very rugged, well built
97 redtailsforever : I just saw an all white MD-90 fly into MSP yesterday and park at Signature. I could make out n949dn between the buildings. Flightaware showed it had f
98 SELMER40 : Most of the JAL MD90s are already here. There are now only three more to come over. They will complete the fleet at 65 frames. FlightAware now shows 9
99 SPREE34 : Thank you for providing the great entertainment, in the form of replies you received. I'm sure you can have your seat surgically reattached. An a.net
100 TrijetsRMissed : JL will complete their MD-90 fleet phaseout later month, with final retirement to take place on 3/30/13. Sadly, most 727-200/ADVs were retired much y
101 milesrich : One must remember that the development of new and/or improved aircraft revolves around engines and fuel economy. The MD-80 was really designed to rep
102 TrijetsRMissed : Miles, you are preaching to the choir... I worked as a third party overlay with MDC during the MD-80's lifecycle, including on the aforementioned AA
103 sankaps : NWA flew around 175 DC9s at the peak, and never lost one in its history! It did lose an MD80 in Detroit due to pilot error, but its DC9s had a perfect
104 PSU.DTW.SCE : The DC-9 fleet peaked at 172 in the late 90's. There were a few accidents thought: In Dec 1990 there was a ground collision when a NW DC-9 taxied on
105 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : One was when the tow bar snapped and the tug ran into the aircraft. They decided to scrap the aircraft rather than repair it.
106 n7371f : It was 9249. It then flew down to Cecil Field in Jacksonville where the 90's are getting overhauled. This may be the only 90 to go straight from serv
107 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yep, thats the one I'm thinking of, I think it happened right after the other DC-9 ground collision incident at MSP. Which DC-9 is being used as the
108 sankaps : You are right, I forgot the DTW runway incursion. I amend my original statement to state "NWA never lost a DC9 in the air and had zero DC9 fatalities
109 Post contains links michman : There was the fuel truck incident in MSP on May 11, 2005. http://www.myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00414871 According to a.net, this is t
110 Post contains links and images KaiGywer : I heard that some newish plane called the 787 has been taking some maintenance cancellations lately also. Correct. View Large View MediumPhoto © Kai
111 n7371f : The one that hit the A319 was a -50 that had just landed and lost hydraulics or something like that. The -50 was towed over behind the SOC and parted
112 akelley728 : How many are still in Marana?
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