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Will SQ Start New US Routes?  
User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 306 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13358 times:

With SQ cutting the two longest flights in the world this year, have they announced if they will start any new one-stop SIN-U.S. routes or add capacity to exisiting ones?

Could EWR-ICN-SIN work, since SQ has rights to transport passengers between the U.S. and South Korea, or maybe a route via a *A hub like IST if they have the rights? Also, SIN-TLV-MIA would be interesting; however there is no way to avoid Malaysian and Indonesian airspace during a takeoff from SIN, is there?

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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13123 times:
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Quoting DolphinAir747 (Thread starter):
Could EWR-ICN-SIN work, since SQ has rights to transport passengers between the U.S. and South Korea, or maybe a route via a *A hub like IST if they have the rights? Also, SIN-TLV-MIA would be interesting; however there is no way to avoid Malaysian and Indonesian airspace during a takeoff from SIN, is there?

Before SQ received their A345's for the nonstops, didn't the 1-stops go to EWR or JFK through FRA or something like that? The IAH flight goes through Moscow.


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13059 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
Before SQ received their A345's for the nonstops, didn't the 1-stops go to EWR or JFK through FRA or something like that? The IAH flight goes through Moscow.

Before the nonstop SQ had a SIN-AMS-EWR flight. Their current JFK flight goes via FRA.


User currently offlineBoston From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13027 times:

SIN has not announced any new service to the US and I would be hard pressed to believe SQ will add any new flights to the US in the near future. Non-stop LAX and EWR service continues through OCT and NOV '13 respectively. SQ continues to serve LAX via NRT, SFO via ICN, IAH via DME and JFK via FRA. Keep in mind the SIN-LAX and SIN-EWR flights did not have any economy seating. Both flights were business class with 100 seats. I can't imagine they would add anymore capacity to existing routes for just 100 seats to the west coast and 100 seats to the east coast. The only possibility I could see for a new route, and this would be a very very slim chance, would be something like SIN-ICN-ORD or SIN-NRT-ORD. SIN-TLV-MIA would be a cool route, but that surely won't happen. Should SIN decide to do some kind of a 1 stop flight through Europe/Middle East, MIA would be down the list of being considered for service. ORD, EWR, ATL, IAD, or DFW would be considered before MIA. SQ is retiring their A345s so maybe they will re-evaluate non-stop service to the US again when they start taking delivery on the A350 orders around 2015.

User currently offlinesfjeff From El Salvador, joined Dec 2009, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12531 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Thread starter):
SFO via ICN

And also via HKG, and currently 388.



Jeff in San Salvador
User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12511 times:

I for one can testify that on their SIN-DME-IAH flights, I hardly ever see an Asians. The vast majority of pax are Russian. To me that equates to their not being able to generate originating SIN pax to fly to IAH on them and they are looking to other countries for profit, when serving non-west coast destinations in the US.

User currently offlinechangyou From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12085 times:
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[quote=BA0197,reply=5] their SIN-DME-IAH flights, I hardly ever see an Asians[/quot
Ive operated this flight numerous times last year and we carried a substantiate amount of vietnamese/singaporeans/malaysians. Vietnamese were mostly immigrants while Singaporenas/Malaysians were students. The premium section however were mostly Russians/Americans but there are a handful of Singaporeans/Indonesians too. Good thing is, regardless pax origin from SIN or not the load factor is very encouraging.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8391 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12005 times:
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Quoting sfjeff (Reply 4):
Quoting DolphinAir747 (Thread starter):
SFO via ICN

And also via HKG, and currently 388.
Quoting Boston (Reply 3):
SIN has not announced any new service to the US and I would be hard pressed to believe SQ will add any new flights to the US in the near future. Non-stop LAX and EWR service continues through OCT and NOV '13 respectively. SQ continues to serve LAX via NRT, SFO via ICN, IAH via DME and JFK via

With the exception of Houston to Moscow by 77W and ICN to SFO, all other flights are by A380. SQ has increased seats in all classes to The USA by just introducing their Whale jet. A380's with Singapore "Girls" are hard to compete with from LAX to Tokyo where every one else flies a 777. SFO to HKG is similar, Cathay flies twice daily but CX doesn't have "Cathay Girls", even though they are a very good airline.


User currently onlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11995 times:

How about....

MIA-LHR-SIN (would need extra slots)
MIA-NRT-SIN


User currently offline9vswr From Singapore, joined Jun 2008, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11740 times:

Maybe the long rumoured SIN-MXP-JFK to replace the EWR nonstop once it ceases? SQ obtained the Italian government's approval to operate the route last year...

User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11330 times:

The J heavy A380s will be very useful.

Replacing the 77W to JFK with a J heavy A380 will give them a 40 seat boost in J and will add F seats while limiting the amount of Y capacity they have to add (only 80 seats compared to 170 with the older A380 configuration). That should cater to the market pretty well, and will generate far more profit for SQ than the older arrangement.

LAX is a bit tricker. The NRT flights are very popular, so there will definitely be more demand than SQ can support once they take their existing 500 weekly seats out of the market. Perhaps growth at SFO using the A380 is the answer, or SQ is looking to cut back supply and focus on the very top end of the market on this very competitive route.

I'd love to see a second daily to LAX, but I think we're far more likely to see a 77W sent elsewhere. I like the idea of ORD.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
With the exception of Houston to Moscow by 77W and ICN to SFO, all other flights are by A380.

SIN-FRA-JFK is also a 77W.


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11253 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 10):
SIN-FRA-JFK is also a 77W.

Only for the winter though. It reverts back to the A380 at the end of March.


User currently offlinechangyou From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9980 times:
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SQ will maintain its twice daily presence at JFK/EWR and LAX. Announcement will be made nearer to the suspension of the two non stop flights later this year.
Rumoured:
SIN-PEK-JFK/EWR
SIN-LHR-JFK/EWR
SIN-MXP-JFK/EWR
SIN-PVG-LAX
and of course the long sought after SIN-SYD-LAX...


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5344 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9972 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 11):
Only for the winter though. It reverts back to the A380 at the end of March

At the same time HKG-SFO reverts to a 77W. I do wonder with MEL losing 1 of its 2 daily A380s from June 30th weather SQ will have enough slack to run both HKG-SFO and FRA-JFK with A380s? Or if they are even planning this?

It will be interesting to see what happens with SQ here overall as they have 8 77Ws for delivery from Mid 2013 through mid 2014 so i'd have thought a new route or 2 would possibly be on the cards. Although non A380 flights to SYD and MEL may get 77Ws to bring the product into line with the A380s. And also AMS which has seen 77Ws briefly may get them permanently IMO.


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 905 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9508 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 2):
Before the nonstop SQ had a SIN-AMS-EWR flight.
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 13):
And also AMS which has seen 77Ws briefly may get them permanently IMO.

SQ it is time to bring back the good old days:

- SIN-AMS-YYZ
- SIN-AMS-ORD
- SIN-AMS-EWR

but now with B77W or....more.


  


User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 845 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9297 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
A380's with Singapore "Girls" are hard to compete with from LAX to Tokyo where every one else flies a 777. SFO to HKG is similar, Cathay flies twice daily but CX doesn't have "Cathay Girls", even though they are a very good airline.

My experience is the opposite and I prefer CX "girls" to SQ "girls". I think it has gone to their heads and they now do not offer a service that is unique among Asian airlines.


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 924 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8327 times:

This article may be of interest to you in dealing with the OP's question.
http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbu...a-asks-pilots-to-take-unpaid-leave



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User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7010 times:

Quoting Boston (Reply 3):
The only possibility I could see for a new route, and this would be a very very slim chance, would be something like SIN-ICN-ORD or SIN-NRT-ORD. SIN-TLV-MIA would be a cool route, but that surely won't happen. Should SIN decide to do some kind of a 1 stop flight through Europe/Middle East, MIA would be down the list of being considered for service. ORD, EWR, ATL, IAD, or DFW would be considered before MIA. SQ is retiring their A345s so maybe they will re-evaluate non-stop service to the US again when they start taking delivery on the A350 orders around 2015.

How about EWR-BOM/DEL/BLR-SIN, if they had rights from the US government? Speaking from personal experience, many frequent business travelers (read: high-yielding) from the NY/NJ area to India ditch the convenience of a nonstop because they want to avoid the UA product which they consider sub-par to instead fly BA, EK, etc. However, considering SQ's hard and soft product, if they had the rights for such a flight, they could probably take a lot of these pax who would prefer a nonstop if they could fly an airline like SQ rather than UA, as well as the pax in the back who are conscious enough about airline quality to pay a premium to fly SQ Y rather than UA/LH/EK Y, or to fly on the only nonstop from EWR to BLR (again, read: high-yielding).

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 5):
I for one can testify that on their SIN-DME-IAH flights, I hardly ever see an Asians. The vast majority of pax are Russian. To me that equates to their not being able to generate originating SIN pax to fly to IAH on them and they are looking to other countries for profit, when serving non-west coast destinations in the US.

It's probably not because SQ is unable to have pax fly all the way to IAH, but rather because both segments are profitable in themselves. I assume SIN-BCN-GRU must be the same situation, as opposed to flights like SIN-HKG-SFO where SQ fills the flights far more with pax taking the full route.

Quoting changyou (Reply 12):
SQ will maintain its twice daily presence at JFK/EWR and LAX. Announcement will be made nearer to the suspension of the two non stop flights later this year.
Rumoured:
SIN-PEK-JFK/EWR
SIN-LHR-JFK/EWR
SIN-MXP-JFK/EWR
SIN-PVG-LAX
and of course the long sought after SIN-SYD-LAX...

Does SQ have fifth freedom rights via China? Also, I would love to have a way of flying EWR-LHR on *A without taking UA and their 757s...


User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

EWR-BOM-SIN is exactly 3 miles shorter than JFK-FRA-SIN.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=%0D%0Aj...-sin%0D%0Aewr-bom-sin&MS=wls&DU=mi


User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6628 times:

I thought I remembered reading an article a few months ago that the majority of the passengers on the IAH end of the SIN-DME-IAH flight were flying to SE Asia.

SQ apparently was surprised (negatively) by how few were flying IAH-DME only but surprised (pleasantly) by how successful the route was to SIN.


User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6595 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 19):
I thought I remembered reading an article a few months ago that the majority of the passengers on the IAH end of the SIN-DME-IAH flight were flying to SE Asia.

SQ apparently was surprised (negatively) by how few were flying IAH-DME only but surprised (pleasantly) by how successful the route was to SIN.

Perhaps I have a bad impression, but the only people I see transferring onto AA flights from SQ are Russians. And they have been increasing. I frequently have 10 SQ DME originating pax transferring onto a MIA of DFW flight. But like I said I'm looking at a select few pax.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25546 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6565 times:

The SQ LAX sales office basically told me to wait and see and they indeed were working on options for replacement of a 2nd flight.

At one time SQ has 3 flights at LAX, so the drop to merely the single NRT A380 would be a big drop in travel options and removes a host of connection markets that SQ historically has been able to sell from here.

The low risk and easy replacement could be return of the SIN-TPE-LAX flight operated on the 777, though with liberal openskies agreements, SQ does have other routing options they can pursue as well.



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User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6528 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):
The low risk and easy replacement could be return of the SIN-TPE-LAX flight operated on the 777, though with liberal openskies agreements, SQ does have other routing options they can pursue as well.

Was this route removed partly due to the supersititions resulting from the major accident on this route? I know that for this reason SQ stopped painting their aircraft in special liveries out of supersititon.

Also, has anyone ever routed a direct flight with a stop in India?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25463 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6462 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 17):
How about EWR-BOM/DEL/BLR-SIN, if they had rights from the US government?

The current Singapore-India bilateral (dated 2007, assuming it hasn't changed since) specifically excludes the USA from their 5th freedom rights beyond India.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25546 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6411 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 22):
Was this route removed partly due to the supersititions resulting from the major accident on this route? I know that for this reason SQ stopped painting their aircraft in special liveries out of supersititon.

The 2000 crash in TPE seems not be an issue. The SIN-TPE-LAX route continued till end of 2008.

At the time SQ said it was the global economic issues and fuel cost (remember it ran up to $145/bbl that summer) that necessitating cutting capacity. The route cut was one several announced at the same time.



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25 DolphinAir747 : How about bringing back YYZ with YYZ-BOM-SIN then?
26 nomorerjs : ORD-HKG-SIN would be a nice compliment to UA. Time the flights and use the alliance to it's best.
27 DolphinAir747 : Haha I laughed so hard when I read the word "alliance" in a thread about SQ...no flame war intended, but SQ, maybe on par with CX, is the least coope
28 jfk777 : The JFK route has had A380 on it recently, maybe the 77W is just for the winter.
29 ZK-NBT : At this stage that is the case back to A380 late March, while HKG-SFO will go back to 77W. Thinking about SQ possible changes routes to the US maybe
30 Post contains links FlyingSicilian : You can see the numbers on the IAH website at www.fly2houston.com You can look at SQ's numbers, just look at the Asia versus Europe traffic. In the f
31 gauravpai : rights from US gov-maybe?? what about rights from the Indian govt??? with AI flying BOM-EWR nonstop and DEL-JFK/EWR, i doubt they will allow SQ to ma
32 DolphinAir747 : Apparently they don't, as another member pointed out, so I wondered if SIN-BOM-YYZ could work. IIRC AI doesn't fly BOM-YYZ. However, if the Indian go
33 Viscount724 : BOM is a small market to/from Canada which explains why nobody's operating it. It didn't work when AC operated YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN for several years usin
34 SQ452 : Sorry, where are you seeing these numbers on that site (couldn't find it)? SIN-PVG-LAX I can see working given the traffic to China and the lack of a
35 Post contains links FlyingSicilian : http://www.fly2houston.com/TrafficStats see above. You can then downlaod the PDF by month. SQ is broken down by both Asia and Europe
36 abrelosojos : If the Indian government would allow, SQ would love to do a SIN-BOM-EWR. SIN-BOM-YYZ would be a disaster as many long haul Canadian markets (including
37 infinit : Oh you'd be surprised. My friends in SQ tell me the highest yielding markets for them these days are Australia, India and China. In India and China t
38 Post contains links FlyingSicilian : To add to my prior post SQ IAH numbers from the HAS website: http://www.fly2houston.com/TrafficStats (I don't have the exact seat figures available ea
39 anrec80 : Hmm - I was shopping for tickets to Germany for summer and/or Spring Break (late Mar) and see mix of 77W and 388 on JFK-FRA. Yep. Many potential and
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