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Five Dead In French Small Plane Crash

RussianJet From Kazakhstan, joined Jul 2007, 6288 posts, RR: 23
Posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7043 times:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20921206

No mention of what type it was, other than it being a small twin-engined aircraft. Reported to have been flying to Morocco, where it was registered.

Any further details?

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RussianJet From Kazakhstan, joined Jul 2007, 6288 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6936 times:

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 1):
Small Plane Registered in Morocco and Built in the USA Crashes in France Killing Five

I doubt it, that'd be too long. Should be already clear it's a small plane crash - for all the details one can read the linked news item.

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btblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 532 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

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Apparently there was a family of five onboard.

Aircraft hit a hill and crashed into a wooded area. According to the Mirror (did a scout of all news sources, these being the only ones with images) a Husband and wife onboard with their three children. Husband was flying them home back to Morocco after a family holiday.

Tragic. May they rest in peace.

Some images here (not of the wreckage).

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/family-of-five-killed-in-plane-crash-1519866

[Edited 2013-01-05 10:20:09]

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btblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 532 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6767 times:

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 1):
Can we be a little more accurate and change the title to:

Small Plane Registered in Morocco and Built in the USA Crashes in France Killing Five

?

Thanks...

The title is accurate. A plane crashed in France and 5 are dead. Details are followed up in the discussion following. No need to change it.

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mesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6723 times:

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 1):

What would be the point of changing the title?

Either way, R.I.P. to the deceased and my prayers go out to their families.

\________(---)________/ :)

capri From Morocco, joined Sep 2003, 280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6659 times:

From a French forum, it suggested it was a Piper Seneca, but The more news merging will try to confirm, I keep listening to French news but they never mention the type.

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RussianJet From Kazakhstan, joined Jul 2007, 6288 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6521 times:

Thanks folks - grateful for the updates.

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skiaplg From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2012, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

The French national TV news just ran a story, staying it was a family of five flying back to Morocco from Grenoble. They said they were going to fly through Spain, and shower a picture of a Piper Seneca. Someone who lives near the crash told the news that he heard the plane and said the engines were making a strange noise before hearing a bang.

CuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6160 times:

Details in French
http://www.liberation.fr/depeches/20...tourisme-pres-de-l-aeroport_871880

A whole family coming back from a ski trip.

And I still believe the title is inaccurate. There is nothing french about this plane. made in the US and owned and piloted by Moroccans.

[Edited 2013-01-05 15:21:54]

flightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 409 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6122 times:

Get over the title, it is perfectly fine. I dont get what the deal is with so many people here wanting titles changed that are fine.

Anyways, RIP to the family. Always sad when a whole family is lost like this.

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mesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6048 times:

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 9):
There is nothing french about this plane

But there is something French about the crash, hence the title.

\________(---)________/ :)

teneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

Speaking of plane crashes an Islander has gone missing off Venezuela w/ 6 people aboard and the director of Italian fashion house Missoni is reportedly aboard.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20919881
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130104-0

Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21486 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5912 times:

Quoting btblue (Reply 4):
The title is accurate. A plane crashed in France and 5 are dead. Details are followed up in the discussion following. No need to change it.

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 10):
Get over the title, it is perfectly fine. I dont get what the deal is with so many people here wanting titles changed that are fine.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 11):
Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 9):
There is nothing french about this plane

But there is something French about the crash, hence the title.

The wording of the title is ambiguous. When I see "French small plane crash" I immediately think of a small plane built in France, or only secondarily of a small plane possibly registered in France, neither of which appears to be the case.

The title would be much better and avoid the ambiguity if it read " Five dead in small plane crash in France", or "Small plane crashes in France - Five Dead.

RussianJet From Kazakhstan, joined Jul 2007, 6288 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5851 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 10):
But there is something French about the crash, hence the title.

Exactly - thank you.

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YVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2087 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

ASN reports it as Moroccan registered PA34-220T Seneca V registration CN-DAY.

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=152246

Deceased are the pilot, his wife and 3 children. RIP

More infor and pictures if you follow the sources provided, helps if you read French or Arabic.

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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21486 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 13):
Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 10):
But there is something French about the crash, hence the title.

Exactly - thank you.

As a native English speaker, it's still an unclear title. The crash is the only thing that's French, and in that case the two words should be closer together. Most people would incorrectly interpret "French small plane crash" as the crash of a "French small plane" which this isn't. Another option would be to start with the country name (noun, not adjective), e.g. "France - small plane crash".

RussianJet From Kazakhstan, joined Jul 2007, 6288 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5782 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
As a native English speaker, it's still an unclear title. The crash is the only thing that's French

As a native English speaker, I know there is always going to be some compromise in thread titles when there is a pretty tight limit. Perhaps we could just stick to discussing the crash?

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francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3195 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

5 people dead and the first reaction we get is a chauvinistic outburst of people complaining the title's semantics as the plane is not French-made...

A.net at its best.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...

rlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 989 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

I saw the title and thought no wonder it crased. I assumed they packed 5 people in a Robin.

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