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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2682 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 14013 times:

Hi all,
how many 738 equipped with Boeing Sky Interior(BSI) does AA have in its fleet?
Also, I read on seat guru that AA is retrofitting its older 738s with the BSI. Is that true?
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Ame...ican_Airlines_Boeing_737-800_B.php
Finally, I fly this summer MIA-YUL, what are my chances to get a BSI 738?

Thanks!


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User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13979 times:

Quoting LY777 (Thread starter):

I'm not at work so I don't have exact figures to give, but if my memory serves me correctly AA has about 150 new 738's so about halfway done. They are rotated throughout the AA network and are not route specific so you're chances are just about as good as flying from anywhere that operates with a 738 service. AA is adding three new 738s a month and is currently retrofitting one of the newer 738s a month. At IAH about half of our MIA flights are with the BSI interior. So good luck!


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13916 times:

Currently 193 are active in the fleet, 5 more than total super 80's
Configurations are as follows

26 are configured F16/Y132
111 are configured F16/Y134
56 are configured F16/Y144

Final configuration for all airplanes will be F16/Y134. That may be the "reconfiguring" you were hearing about. You cannot convert a standard 737 to the Sky Interior.

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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13823 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 2):

IIRC someone has or is working on an after market BSI. (for 737 and 757 aircraft)



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13702 times:

I didn't realize that older Boeing 738's could be converted over to the Sky interior. Does this include the more rounded window frame? Is there any airline that would convert/retrofit their 737-7's with a Sky Interior. I know our (FL) 737-700's when they get converted into WN fleet will not have the Sky Interior. The ones that transfer from our FL fleer get a complete makeover but in the WN Evolve Interior.


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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13641 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 4):
I didn't realize that older Boeing 738's could be converted over to the Sky interior. Does this include the more rounded window frame? Is there any airline that would convert/retrofit their 737-7's with a Sky Interior. I know our (FL) 737-700's when they get converted into WN fleet will not have the Sky Interior. The ones that transfer from our FL fleer get a complete makeover but in the WN Evolve Interior.

The true Sky Interior cannot be retrofitted on existing 737s. However, Heath Tecna offers a replica known as Project Amber, which simulates the look of the Sky Interior. The most noticeable differences include the bin handles and the PSUs.



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User currently offlinePDX88 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13640 times:

If I counted correctly AA currently has 43 active B738s with BSI, with 194 total 738's in the fleet.

User currently offlineliftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13629 times:

I have a gripe with the Sky Interior.

1. The overhead bins while large and spacious have that annoyingly obnoxious handle that "opens both ways" for idiots that cannot understand the concept of pulling on a handle and having something open. It seriously affects the overall look.

2. PAX on the aisle seat do not have an easy way to press the call button or turn on the overhead lamp.

3. The overhead mood lights, while gorgeous at night, look really bad in sunlight, and most short haul flights take place in bright day. Also, the lights cannot continue through a bulkhead, making it look obnoxious as part of the cabin has this awesome mood light, and a few rows just have overall darkness.

Other than that, the sky interior is surly far superior to the interior taken from the 70's on the majority of the 737's.



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User currently offlineBizJet From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13574 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 2):

Currently 193 are active in the fleet, 5 more than total super 80's
Configurations are as follows

26 are configured F16/Y132
111 are configured F16/Y134
56 are configured F16/Y144

What's the difference between the F16/Y132 and F16/Y134 configurations? Which two seats are missing in the F16/Y132 version?

Interesting that with MCE, AA has brought down the capacity to 150 seats to reduce the FA requirement to 3. UA, meanwhile, is transitioning their 738 fleet to F16/Y138, which will still require 4 FAs.


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13407 times:

Quoting BizJet (Reply 8):

Interesting that with MCE, AA has brought down the capacity to 150 seats to reduce the FA requirement to 3. UA, meanwhile, is transitioning their 738 fleet to F16/Y138, which will still require 4 FAs.

And DL's 800s are 16/18/126. Also the M90s are 16/15/129



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User currently offlineEaglePower83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13387 times:

I was just on an AA BSI flight from MIA-ORD a few weeks ago.
It was NICE.
Agreed it was difficult to reach the lights from the aisle seat.

One thing I did notice: my previous flight on an AA 757 vs the 737, the 2nd flight had significantly more legroom.
I'm 5'10" and the 757 seats seemed to have tight pitch, which was just brushing my kneecap, while the 737 seemed to have about 3 extra inches of pitch.
SeatGuru says both are 31in pitch.....so I don't get it.
I was not sitting in any (branded) MCE seats.

Are the seat pitches that different from the 57 and 37?


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1541 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13349 times:

Quoting EaglePower83 (Reply 10):
Are the seat pitches that different from the 57 and 37?

Seat pitch is the distance between a point on a seat and that same point on the seat in front of it. It is not a measurement of legroom. A really thin seat with 31" pitch provides more legroom than a thick seat with 31" pitch which is what I'm guessing you noticed between an old 757 seat and a new 737 seat.



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User currently offlineEaglePower83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13317 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 11):
Seat pitch is the distance between a point on a seat and that same point on the seat in front of it. It is not a measurement of legroom. A really thin seat with 31" pitch provides more legroom than a thick seat with 31" pitch which is what I'm guessing you noticed between an old 757 seat and a new 737 seat.

Interesting.
That's gotta be it.
Thinner, more modern seats on the 737.
I certainly appreciated it.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13289 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
The true Sky Interior cannot be retrofitted on existing 737s. However, Heath Tecna offers a replica known as Project Amber, which simulates the look of the Sky Interior. The most noticeable differences include the bin handles and the PSUs.

I had that feeling but, when you mean difference in the PSU's does that mean the aftermarket conversions use regular lighting vs. the new LED personal lights and, are the gaspers the old traditional shapes vs. the new "flower petal" design on the Sky Interior and 787's? And on the aftermarket conversion do they have the rounded window frames?



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13210 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 13):
I had that feeling but, when you mean difference in the PSU's does that mean the aftermarket conversions use regular lighting vs. the new LED personal lights and, are the gaspers the old traditional shapes vs. the new "flower petal" design on the Sky Interior and 787's? And on the aftermarket conversion do they have the rounded window frames?

They are Heath Tecna's own design. There is a picture of one here:
http://www.heath.com/Files/Marketing...teral/ht_project_amber_071012.aspx



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User currently offlineDLD9S From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13190 times:

I am looking to book a few AA 738s this summer, and I noticed that at AA.com, the seat map that pulls up in the booking process start at row 8, and the emergency exits are a not the same either as they appear on both versions of seatguru and even the AA.com generic seat map under the "fleet" section. Are they changing that up too? Does this indicate the newest version of the plane?


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User currently offlinePassedV1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12897 times:

Does anyone know what the technical reason for not be able to add the Sky interior to an existing non-sky airframe. Is it that it just isn't offered by Boeing, or is it technically not possible to do because of some major airframe difference.

User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2282 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12744 times:

Quoting LY777 (Thread starter):

AA currently has 42 738s with BSI.

Quoting BizJet (Reply 8):

16/132 is the original 738 configuration w/ original seats
16/144 was the new configuration with new seats prior to MCE
16/138 is the new MCE configuration
16/134 is the final configuration with MCE and Preferred Seats (AA has blocked four center seats aft of the exit rows with tables to bring minimum crew down to three.)



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User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1632 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12714 times:

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 7):
I have a gripe with the Sky Interior.

My main gripe is that the gaspers in the PSUs seem to be woefully inadequate compared to the old ones. To paraphrase the Top Gear presenters, it's like being coughed on by a mouse.



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User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3409 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12452 times:

Quoting PassedV1 (Reply 16):

Does anyone know what the technical reason for not be able to add the Sky interior to an existing non-sky airframe

Boeing stated that they reconfigured the overhead space for the new interior. I don't recall if they give specifics. but expect that its a new wiring layout atleast, plus the structure to hold the panels on. So I'm sure you can retrofit it to an old plane, just the money required is far too great making it cheaper to buy a new plane and sell the old one rather than upgrade.


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12327 times:

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 19):

Boeing stated that they reconfigured the overhead space for the new interior. I don't recall if they give specifics. but expect that its a new wiring layout atleast, plus the structure to hold the panels on. So I'm sure you can retrofit it to an old plane, just the money required is far too great making it cheaper to buy a new plane and sell the old one rather than upgrade.

and its something that will bring zero(or verry verry little) ROI and could take money if more bags can be carried on vs checked



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19717 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12075 times:

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 1):
AA is adding three new 738s a month and is currently retrofitting one of the newer 738s a month. At IAH about half of our MIA flights are with the BSI interior.
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 3):
IIRC someone has or is working on an after market BSI. (for 737 and 757 aircraft)
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
The true Sky Interior cannot be retrofitted on existing 737s. However, Heath Tecna offers a replica known as Project Amber, which simulates the look of the Sky Interior.
http://blog.apex.aero/cabin-interior...ing-737ngs-project-amber-interior/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWClNq3aQJQ

This is true. Boeing did not offer a retrofit. Whether it "can" be done or not...well, anything "can" be done. Boeing decided it wasn't worth it and Heath Techna did.

Some of these retrofits are quite convincing. The PMNW DC-9's were internally almost indistinguishable from a 717. There were a few details that gave it away, but if you dropped me into one blindfolded and asked me whether it was a 717 or DC-9, I'd have to do some serious snooping around to figure it out.


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11699 times:
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Boeing video about AA 737 refurbishment... You can see they're definitely not retrofitting the Sky Interior!

http://youtu.be/e19kg_UZa1c

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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11632 times:

Are AA B738NG supposed to retrofit to BSI? I do know next 738s will arrive w/AVOD in Y soon.  

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11536 times:

Any article Available on the Working & control sequence of the Boeing Sky Lighting.


Think of the brighter side!
25 BizJet : How quick and easy is it to remove the four tables blocking the center seats to allow AA to sell the four seats and staff with a fourth FA, for fligh
26 gdg9 : I've flown on the newer AA 738s with BSI and I dislike them. The reason - significantly less legroom in coach seats. Try to avoid these birds. The BSI
27 JoePatroni707 : While the physical removal would likely be fairly quick, its not going to happen. First of all other adjustments to the seat have physically been mad
28 qqflyboy : No. First to arrive with AVOD are scheduled for delivery in December, AFAIK. Can't come soon enough! The tables look like they could fairly quickly b
29 seabosdca : I've been staring at that handle for 2 minutes, and can't figure out what could possibly be objectionable about it. It's the same handle as is found
30 JoePatroni707 : Could be ship 3JW, it was delivered Dec 20 and sat in DWH for almost 16 days. Just entered service yesterday. I checked delivery schedule and no plan
31 qqflyboy : I should have said December 2013. It's still going to be a while before we see AVOD on the 738. But, of course, we'll at least see the new system on
32 JoePatroni707 : IMHO for what its worth, thats a mistake. Delivers an inconsistant product to our customers. But thats just my opinion.
33 FWAERJ : I agree on the product inconsistency: AA should consider doing a "lite" version of the AVOD system and leather seats (minus the BSI) for the existing
34 JoePatroni707 : IMHO the only thing that is really consistant in the airline industry is inconsistency
35 LY777 : Thanks for the replies! This refurbishment is a waste of money IMHO. There is no such a difference before and after.
36 N243NW : Even though I disagree (the big honking CRTs alone make some of the planes appear way older), the interior mod results in more parts commonality with
37 LY777 : I agree on this one
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