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United Equipment Base Strategy?  
User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 276 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6804 times:

Does UA have a strategy in which sees specific aircraft types (or a set number of ac from a type) based at hubs?
EX: 787s based out of IAH

It seems that more efficiencies could be made by doing so. Is it impractical? Is UA too large to effectively manage aircraft bases?

On a side note: Is UA setting up and airbus base at IAH? I've noticed that about 30-40% of shorthaul mainline aircraft are now Airbuses.

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30626 posts, RR: 84
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6810 times:
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All 747-400s will be based out of SFO, but the reason for that is for maintenance reasons (per reports).

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24886 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

Much of the aircraft use is built around crew bases.

IAH was the first 787 base, so yes you got the initial 787 activity from IAH.

Also a Airbus crew base was opened in IAH recently so yes you see more Airbus flying there now.



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6761 times:

At EWR there is more PMUA metal on certain routes. IIRC, ex-JFK based legacy UA crews can now fly out of EWR. Usually there are about 14-15 daily PMUA 757 flights, and a LOT more 319/320 movements. In addition PMCO 757s are now very common on EWR-DEN/SFO/LAX/ORD in addition on flights to Europe.

Most of the PMUA 757 flights are from EWR to Florida: PBI, MCO, FLL, MIA, TPA and certain west coast cities: LAS, PDX, SEA, DEN, LAX, SFO. Occasionally you'll see one on EWR-BOS.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6559 times:

As I see it, pretty much switching the A32X and 737 bases, sUA 757s being spread evenly through out bases, 747s to SFO, majority 764s to IAD, 777s staying the same for the most part, more 763s going to EWR and IAH.


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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2945 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6558 times:
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I know EWR sees a LOT of E170s now. Last time I was at a hotel overlooking EWR in August and I saw a surprising amount of them.


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User currently onlineT5towbar From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6517 times:

They want to put a few of the 3 class 763 and 777 on some of the routes from EWR, which makes sense. But mainly it has been a pretty even mix of 737 (800 & 900); 757 (both sUA and sCO) quite a few Airbuses;, and most of the widebodies are pretty much the same, with the addition of the 3 class sUA 763. So the rotation has been a pretty diverse mix of sUA & sCO aircraft. I wish we see the 787 more, but the IAH based aircraft have to get some rotation throughout the hubs so we can get some hands on work with it.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16825 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6272 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 3):
In addition PMCO 757s are now very common on EWR-DEN/SFO/LAX/ORD in addition on flights to Europe.

The sCO 757s are also showing up on the JFK-LAX PS flights, so sCO crews are making the trip to JFK too.



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User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6240 times:

So basically, except for a few examples, ac types (or certain registration numbers) at UA do not have a designated base to which they operate out of.

User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5879 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 3):
IIRC, ex-JFK based legacy UA crews can now fly out of EWR.

I believe this has been the case all along. NYC based sUA crews can work any of the 3 NYC airports.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 5):
I know EWR sees a LOT of E170s now.

This has been the case for well over a year, this was one of the first big schedule changes they brought to EWR. I loved it, I got a E170 on routes that were just 50 seaters. They are now running most of those out of C and not A, but those will probably move back to A as they bring the Q400's back into EWR.


User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5852 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
All 747-400s will be based out of SFO, but the reason for that is for maintenance reasons (per reports).

Don't forget LAX-SYD...


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5695 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
The sCO 757s are also showing up on the JFK-LAX PS flights, so sCO crews are making the trip to JFK too.

Are they? I see no evidence of them anywhere in the schedule.

NS


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21476 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5671 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 3):

PMCO 757s were always common on LAX/SFO/DEN. They were used quite a bit pre merger.



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User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5640 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 11):

PS flights are run by PS metal.They are a special premium and plus heavy configuration. I can't find pmCO 757s anywhere in the schedule.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 10):

They are still mostly based in SFO. I imagine the metal operating LAX-SYD will rotate through SFO.

Remember when the 744s would run ORD-DEN-SFO all the time? I saw my first 747 at DEN gate B42, in tron ORD, going on to SFO.


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2945 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5559 times:
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Quoting gigneil (Reply 11):
Are they? I see no evidence of them anywhere in the schedule.
Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 13):
PS flights are run by PS metal.They are a special premium and plus heavy configuration. I can't find pmCO 757s anywhere in the schedule.

I have also seen the sCO planes running one of the daily JFK-LAX flights. the 3:40pm departure from JFK (flight 161) is operated by a sCO 752 that is routed AMS-EWR-LAX-JFK-LAX



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User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5293 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 14):

That would be a suckish downgrade for a pax.

PmCO flights didn't use PS, maybe UA doesn't have enough PS configured 757s.

Back to the initial Q, DEN sure sees a lot more 737s than before the merger. It still sees quite a few A320s, a lot of RJs, a good amount of 757s (mostly to hubs, and California/Florida). It doesn't see really any widebodies. Literally fewer than 10 departures a day before the 787s.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24886 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 13):
PS flights are run by PS metal.They are a special premium and plus heavy configuration. I can't find pmCO 757s anywhere in the schedule.

Virtually every day there are a few sCO 757s running p.s. Its been so for a few months now.

For example on Monday January 7th, 3 of 6 LAX-JFK are on sCO 757s, while 2 of 6 JFK-LAX on are on sCO. Also a non p.s. sUA 757 is running a JFK-LAX leg also.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21476 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 15):

They have Y+ now and full flat J. The PS fleet is being reconfigured this way as well. And the PS Y+ has less leg room than a bird with Y and Y+. So there isn't much of a downgrade here. UA doesn't sell F on the flight. They don't currently sell Y+ on the PS flights, so its only a downgrade for the non-elite Y pax and only by maybe 1.5" of legroom. The elite pax will be seated in Y+ with more legroom than the PS birds.

And AVOD all around...



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User currently offlinecosyr From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5147 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 17):
They have Y+ now and full flat J. The PS fleet is being reconfigured this way as well. And the PS Y+ has less leg room than a bird with Y and Y+. So there isn't much of a downgrade here. UA doesn't sell F on the flight. They don't currently sell Y+ on the PS flights, so its only a downgrade for the non-elite Y pax and only by maybe 1.5" of legroom. The elite pax will be seated in Y+ with more legroom than the PS birds.

And AVOD all around...

Still what is the point of having a dedicated PS fleet if other planes are flying the route? They aren't reconfiguring the PS planes already, are they? I would prefer the sCO 757's, but it is significantly fewer J seats, no F seats, and if in Y you were expecting 100% Y+, you might be disappointed. Whether upgrade or downgrade, the best course of action is to give people what they expect, I think.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24886 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5076 times:

The sCO 757s essentially are what the future p.s. product will be.

The aircraft feature the same lieflat product, have Y+ and Y. The only difference really is the distribution of the number of seats per class, with sCO for example only having 16 business seats versus planned 28 on the p.s. planes.

These subs have been known for a long time now with a couple p.s. birds being retired, and others needing to be pulled out for reconfiguration, so the passenger bookings have been made accordingly.

Anyhow, the first reconfigured p.s aircraft will be out later this month, with rest through the summer.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21476 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

Quoting cosyr (Reply 18):

The point is that there is virtually no difference. It's not like they are subbing randomly and bumping j pax. They just offer fewer J seats on the particular frequency daily, and no F. They may have chosen this frequency because premium demand is weak at that time of day comparably.



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User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

The old PS birds had F, J and Y plus.. The new ones have standard Y and a more normal domestic configuration?

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1860 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4885 times:
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Quoting gigneil (Reply 11):
Are they? I see no evidence of them anywhere in the schedule.

There was only 1 a day now there are 2 that overnight at JFK and an additional turn. The reason for the sCO planes to run the P.S. flights is to free up the dedicated PS planes to get the cabin retrofit. The 100 series flight numbers are sCO flights.



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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

At Old CO EWR was isolated so delays would not "rollover" to the rest of the system, but UA is much larger, but the idea is good so problems at one location do not cascade into the rest..

User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
The sCO 757s are also showing up on the JFK-LAX PS flights, so sCO crews are making the trip to JFK too.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
Virtually every day there are a few sCO 757s running p.s. Its been so for a few months now.

There has been at least 1 sCO 757 on JFK/LAX since the Sep schedule change...every day but Sat... usually UA161/162...during the holidays we have been getting 2-3 a day out of the 6 LAX segments...looks to be back to the 1 a day now the holiday schedules are over..


25 FlyDeltaJets : There are 3 a day 2 AM and 1 PM turn.
26 tsnamm : Yup you're right back to 3 except Sat and Sun then 2...
27 brucek : Hopefully related to the OP question: PMUA used to have all of the flight training at Stapleton (the site of the old Denver airport). I'm not sure whe
28 CODC10 : For the most part, training is carried out at the respective subsidiaries exactly how they were prior to the merger. That means sUA crews are still t
29 CODC10 : For the most part, training is carried out at the respective subsidiaries exactly how they were prior to the merger. That means sUA crews are still t
30 jfk777 : Where are the Newark based 787's. EWR needs them more then any city since UA's longest flights are from Newark.
31 jfk777 : Where are the Newark based 787's. EWR needs them more then any city since UA's longest flights are from Newark.
32 tommy767 : EWR got the shaft for the 787 so far -- only to IAH.
33 CODC10 : The 787-8 has similar range to the 777-200ER with less payload. I think UA would rather wait for the 787-9s before bringing many into EWR. Right now,
34 gigneil : Yeah that doesn't mean that they're going to be putting 787s on those flights. NS
35 laca773 : What will be the size of this subfleet? Do they ever have an a/c upgauge on JFK-LAX/SFO anymore? So the p.s. market will eventually be history.
36 gigneil : What? The sCO 757s are in an international configuration - with lie flat J, Y+ and AVOD throughout. That is the new config of p.s. as well. The lie f
37 UA787DEN : I didn't know they were redoing the planes. The old PS planes had/have only Y+, IIRC, so for pax downgrading onto a flight with standard Y on an airc
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