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Frontier's New TTN Cities?  
User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15794 times:
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With the speculation from the TImes of Trenton that F9 would be announcing an expansion of TTN, I went to flyfrontier.com to see if something would come out early seems the interactive route map did.

Looks like Chicago (MDW), Detroit, Raliegh-Durham (RDU), Atlanta and Columbus, OH. That sounds too adventurous but I don't know. here's the screen cap from fly frontier.com

Frontiers new cities


[Edited 2013-01-07 02:05:16]


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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15684 times:
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Ok, its slowly coming out and there is no press release but some info can be found scattered on the website

TTN-MDW starts April 8, 2013 and is 6X weekly ex Saturday
TTN-ATL starts April 8, 2013 and is 4X Weekly (Mon,Wed, Fri, Sat)
TTN-DTW starts Apirl 9, 2013 and is 4X Weekly (Sun, Tue, Thur, Fri)
TTN-CMH Starts April 8, 2013 and is 3X Weekly (Sun, Mon, Thur)
TTN-RDU Starts April 8, 2013 and is 6X Weekly ex Saturday

These are some interesting choices and alot of them. WOW.



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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2301 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15621 times:

wow this is very interesting, indeed! GoOd luck to them, seems they are trying to diversify a bit. F9 doesnt even fly from MDW, RDU or CMH do they?

[Edited 2013-01-07 04:40:21]

User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15613 times:
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I think that's a bit much on the RDU route. Will be pretty interesting to see how these pan out.


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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15600 times:
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Why CMH and RDU? Are there companies in Princeton that have ties to those cities?


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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 15567 times:
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F9 does fly from MDW to DEN.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 15506 times:

This massive TTN expansion seems to be very fitting of the phrase "betting the farm" for F9, we'll have to see how it turns out...


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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 15439 times:
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To use another phrase, I'm wondering if F9 isn't "Throwing (crap) against the wall and seeing what sticks" . I'm enjoying it because it benefits me but thats the long and short of it..


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User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 15439 times:

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 5):
F9 does fly from MDW to DEN.

I bet this flight is timed to be thru to DEN. I wonder if this also means that TTN-DEN isn't possible because of TTN's runway.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7174 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15365 times:

The runway is short and they don't want to open new stations, so it appears they are hooking up most things they can in the runway range limit.

User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15306 times:
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Available via the online schedule (not bookable)

Here are the times for MDW, DTW and ATL. And the DEN-TTN 1 stop via MDW (havent figured out where the stop is TTN-DEN)

X TUE/SAT
F9 907 TTN 1035am MDW 1150am
F9 532 MDW 1115am TTN 205pm
TUE
F9 907 TTN 1105am MDW 1220pm
F9 908 MDW 100pm TTN 350pm

========

TUE
F9 929 TTN 430pm DTW 615pm
F9 930 DTW 655pm TTN 835pm
THU
F9 929 TTN 1140am DTW 125pm
F9 930 DTW 205pm TTN 345pm
FRI
F9 929 TTN 150pm DTW 335pm
F9 930 DTW 415pm TTN 555pm
============

MON
F9 933 TTN 605pm ATL 815pm
F9 934 ATL 855pm TTN 1059pm

WED
F9 933 TTN 150pm ATL 400pm
F9 934 ATL 440pm TTN 644pm

FRI
F9 933 TTN 635pm ATL 845pm
F9 934 ATL 925pm TTN 1129pm

=========
X TUE/SAT

F9 532 DEN 715am TTN 205pm (44 minute stop in MDW)

Oh and with arrivals like 1059pm and 1129pm...HERE COME THE NIMBYS

[Edited 2013-01-07 06:19:30]


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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15256 times:
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Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 3):
I think that's a bit much on the RDU route. Will be pretty interesting to see how these pan out.

Been decades since I've lived in that area.

But I'm guessing that gridlock makes EWR and PHL a difficult access for the electronics and pharmaceutical firms in the New Jersey US-1 corridor. I'm also guessing that the residential communities on the Pennsylvania-side of the river will be taking leisure trips out of TTN.


User currently offlinemikefrommke From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 351 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15249 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 6):
This massive TTN expansion seems to be very fitting of the phrase "betting the farm" for F9, we'll have to see how it turns out...

Give me a break. This is using what, all of 2 planes?

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 7):
To use another phrase, I'm wondering if F9 isn't "Throwing (crap) against the wall and seeing what sticks" . I'm enjoying it because it benefits me but thats the long and short of it..

They are looking to be more than DEN. They've gotten chased out of a lot of places, so yes they are experimenting. Will it work? Who knows? But with markets everywhere already saturated they have to be given credit for trying new things.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7174 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15191 times:

Quoting mikefrommke (Reply 12):
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 6):
This massive TTN expansion seems to be very fitting of the phrase "betting the farm" for F9, we'll have to see how it turns out...

Give me a break. This is using what, all of 2 planes?

It's not betting the farm, but they are squandering their gold if it fails again.

Quoting mikefrommke (Reply 12):
They are looking to be more than DEN. They've gotten chased out of a lot of places

Will B6 or DL react? I think DL in TTN-ATL is almost a lock. Surprised they chose that one. DL has flown it before I think.


User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15147 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 11):
makes EWR and PHL a difficult access for the electronics and pharmaceutical firms in the New Jersey US-1 corridor

Also, WN is dropping PHL-RDU. I think there are few ties between PA and Raleigh, including pharma companies like GSK having presence, and demand that was built up over the years through WN. I don't know about CMH- would have suggested CLE over CMH. Cleveland is a larger market though Columbus is central between Cleveland and Cincinnati.

TTN-MDW might be a little unnerving to WN. While I don't think WN would be interested in that route, it cuts a little from their PHL and EWR-MDW. TTN-ATL could have been a route WN flies if it didn't want to fly PHL-ATL say after FL is ceased.

[Edited 2013-01-07 07:06:14]

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7174 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15138 times:

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 14):
TTN-MDW might be a little unnerving to WN. While I don't think WN would be interested in that route, it cuts a little from their PHL and EWR-MDW.

I see DL and perhaps B6 caring about this. I think US probably doesn't add TTN.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15083 times:

Only the leisure markets in Florida have even a chance of working.

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 1):
TTN-ATL starts April 8, 2013 and is 4X Weekly (Mon,Wed, Fri, Sat)

Meanwhile F9 cuts ATL-DEN from 3.0 to .8. Can TTN-ATL be better use of a plane???

Quoting mikefrommke (Reply 12):
Give me a break. This is using what, all of 2 planes?

a F9 FA told me they are losing something like 10 frames in 2013. Will this just be temporary, then used to backfill DEN.

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
Will B6 or DL react? I think DL in TTN-ATL is almost a lock

Why would B6 care? Also why should DL open a station they just closed a few years ago to respond to a carrier that will most likely fail (The TTN-ATL timings stink for TTN point of sale pax) resulting in DL having to keep TTN open for probably a full year in order to avoid DOJ scrutiny?

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 14):
TTN-MDW might be a little unnerving to WN

Not really. I doubt they are unnerved. It probably will take 1 pax per flight off their flights.

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 14):
TTN-ATL could have been a route WN flies if it didn't want to fly PHL-ATL say after FL is ceased.

WN didnt get to where they are by being dumb.

Fact that F9 is doing this rather than DEN expansion, doesnt bode well for the airline's future. Almost anything from DEN should do better. How about DEN-CAE 4x weekly? DEN-SYR or ROC 4x weekly? Geez that's gotta be better system wise.


User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2664 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15041 times:

doesn't TTN have a midnight curfew? I would think a 2329 arrival from Atlanta will cut it close when the summer thunderstorm season kicks in. Mercer county use to publish the violators publicly on their website.

this will also be competing with Nk on the acy - atl / dtw / ord seasonal service

[Edited 2013-01-07 07:33:47]


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User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14967 times:

RDU is big from NYC. All of them except CMH are likely to work VERY well.

User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14940 times:

I am sure they did their homework on the potential and this isnt dart-board network planning. I am guessing that the RDU segment is aimed at biotech and CMH is insurance/financial services. The head-scratcher to me is is DTW.

User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14944 times:
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TTNs curfew is voluntary, all they do is publish your info on the website (that no one goes to BTW)


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User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14909 times:

Are these new flights in addition to the announced Florida and MSY schedules?

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7174 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14867 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 16):
Why would B6 care?

Look at the geography, it is definitely in the NYC catchment, as much as SWF is.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 16):
Also why should DL open a station they just closed a few years ago to respond to a carrier that will most likely fail

To make sure

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 16):
to avoid DOJ scrutiny?

Nobody seems to care about them any more in this industry


User currently offlinejetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 14814 times:

I for one love this - I have booked F9 for a weekend in New Orleans in March and it's great to see their expansion. I believe initial bookings have been strong. Although strange routes - CMH, DTW, RDU?

User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 14776 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 19):
The head-scratcher to me is is DTW.

There is some pharma/biotech in Detroit area, esp Ann Arbor and to north and west.


25 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : An idea for the F9 marketing team. Although a transportation competitor of sorts F9 might want to think about entering a MOU with http://us.megabus.co
26 STT757 : Not TTN, perhaps your thinking of ACY where DL flew to both ATL and MCO with CRJs. TTN is actually closer to Manhattan than SWF.
27 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : In the noise abatement FAQ at http://www.state.nj.us/counties/mercer/departments/airport/ it also say the TTN ATC tower tower is manned until 10: PM
28 ScottB : Accepting that traffic makes access to EWR & PHL difficult from central N.J., the sub-daily schedule in most markets makes F9 @ TTN less attracti
29 mesaflyguy : DL (Comair) actually flew to ATL and BOS frmo 2006-2007.
30 Post contains links ScottB : DL flew to both BOS and ATL from TTN: http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=633 3x daily to BOS, 1x daily to ATL. Not necessarily.
31 JA : You know, that is a good idea. I could get them some buses from Center City Philadelphia and New York City. Frankly, they could move the E190s to wor
32 enilria : They flew Dec06-Jun07 with CRJ.
33 steeler83 : Is there a shuttle between TTN and the West Trenton SEPTA stop? I guess taxis would work...
34 mariner : I think any of those routes would be awful. There are reasons why Southwest turned down the multi-million dollar subsidy offer from CAE. I'm scratchi
35 rampart : Not that I can tell. It's not even an allowed booking based on the cities I can select on their reservation page. I was hoping for it. I still don't
36 Post contains images iowaman : Wow, this is quite interesting. Anyone know how loads are looking for the previously announced routes? Yep, F9 seems to be attempting to diversify the
37 luv2fly : I have no idea the thoughts behind this. Did they learn nothing from the LAX flights, should we bring up the CUN hub flights.
38 yellowtail : What makes F9 decide to do something like this at TTN vs another city like MSY or AUS?
39 Flytravel : Well, it has to build somehow. Probably first by building the leisure traffic and then increase of frequency. WN probably currently carries most of t
40 rampart : TTN is not PHL, nor is it BMD, which would be more analogous to compare to LAX or CUN. I think of TTN as more like IWA or PHF, under- or non-served a
41 FWAERJ : I bet that DL will retaliate with both TTN-ATL and TTN-DTW within one week from now, with ATL on the CR7 or CR9 and DTW on the CR2, and both with 2x
42 Post contains links mariner : CUN was never a hub. It's difficult to think how it could be, with no connection opportunities there. It remains a strong destination for Frontier wi
43 mke717spotter : This seems very similar to what they tried at COS.
44 CIDFlyer : Hope TTN pans out, wishing nothing but success for them, its a nice airline. I have to wonder though with all the expansion NK is doing at DFW if mayb
45 smoot4208 : I'm kind of surprised they aren't going to do TTN-BOS. Seems like it would offer nice feed at least the Florida markets. Also, you currently cannot c
46 mariner : I am, too. But I guess there's still plenty of time to do so, although it may depend on aircraft availability. mariner
47 smoot4208 : It looks like they'd have enough time from when the aircraft gets back from Florida to RON in BOS and then an early am flight to TTN before it heads
48 jerseyguy : Actually DL would gain more from TTN-ATL then F9 does because they will have the connecting pax. I can't do TTN-SLC on F9, I could do TTN-ATL-SLC on D
49 iowaman : I checked some random dates in June and F9 does offer TTN-MDW-DEN and back for sale:
50 mariner : While I'm obviously concerned about a potential Delta retaliation, I'm not convinced the result would be what you suggest. It is arguably possible th
51 enilria : Didn't Skybus fly CMH-TTN? The recently scheduling director at F9 previously worked for Skybus. The VP of planning started Shuttle America flying out
52 gustywinds : I'm not able to book TTN-MDW-DEN on the web site. When I enter TTN in the departure drop down it only offers the non stops from TTN. I was told that F
53 Flytravel : I think it chose CMH it because it views CMH as a gateway to Ohio, like RDU to North Carolina. RDU is fine because there is demand partially stimulate
54 GentFromAlaska : Let DL come. I ask myself would I fly on a CR7/CR9 if I had the option of a A319/A320 with six day a week service F9 gives me six reasons not too fly
55 jerseyguy : DL gives many people 30-40 additional reasons to fly DL out of TTN. Connecting cities, try to fly F9 TTN to SLC, LAX, LAS, PHX, IAH, DFW, HOU, LIT an
56 mesaflyguy : "I am surprised we haven't seen BTV seasonal in that B6 is leaving the market this Spring." Do you have any sources to confirm this? AFAIK, B6 recent
57 mariner : I thought I'd already listed most of 'em. I didn't include MEM because that was (slightly) less direct. The DOJ? If a complaint is made they have to
58 mariner : I'm not aware that Skybus flew into TTN. I believe they did fly CMH-SWF. mariner
59 GentFromAlaska : I'm not sure I would fly TTN-ATL on any carrier just to connect West when I could fly out of PHL to go almost due West. I might try the TTN-MDW-DEN i
60 Post contains images mesaflyguy : Lol brainfarts at it again! It wouldn't shock me though if we did eventually see MCO-BTV.
61 Post contains links KarlB737 : Press Release: Frontier Airlines Frontier Airlines Announces Expansion In Trenton http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fronti...s-expansion-trenton-16000060
62 Post contains links cessna2 : http://rdublog.com/2013/01/07/the-an...-frontier-returns-to-rdu-in-april/ Official news release from RDU
63 ERJ170 : Here's hoping they at least learned something and offer DEN service to the new stations.. I just can't fathom how they could offer service to an out s
64 rampart : I know. But how much do you fly to COS? I can't be the 1 in 700,000 who prefer COS to DEN, because that would mean 699,999 people who use COS are doi
65 uncgso : seems to me GSO-TTN would have been the pick over RDU ... 1. F9 already serves GSO, and 2. this route has been operated in the past with Eastwind and
66 jporterfi : There seem to be a lot of people suggesting that DL will start ATL-TTN as a result. I wouldn't think the market for two airlines exists on this route
67 slcdeltarumd11 : At this point I think frontier is willing to try anything as long as its less than daily
68 mariner : It seems to be working. Republic just raised the Frontier margins for Q4, and RJET stock had a $2 bump last week, to a two year high, at least partly
69 PHLwok : This will certainly be an interesting experiment to watch. For one, it will require heavy marketing-very few people in the area know much about the ai
70 bobloblaw : Can't say DL won't retaliate, but logically they shouldn't here. Less than daily service in markets that make no sense. If DL already served TTN, is
71 bobloblaw : Delta failed on ATL-TTN for the same reason network carriers fail in places like TOL, SLE and RFD. Pax prefer to drive to the nearby hub and fly nons
72 freakyrat : Sure opening a station is not without cost's but the airport sometimes bears the brunt of these startup costs and offers other incentives to get the s
73 bobloblaw : While TTN can't stop DL from starting service, I doubt they'll offer incentives to them so they can run off F9.
74 ScottB : True, but if they are offering incentives to F9 to add service at TTN, equal or comparable incentives by law must be offered to other carriers. That
75 GentFromAlaska : You would think with 67 miles between RDU and GSO they would have gone with GSO for no other reason than to curtail new station cost. I'm beginning t
76 bobloblaw : Is that true? If it is a direct passenger subsidy yes, like ICT did for FL. But is that true for a ticket bank, advertising, fuel taxes, landing fees
77 PHLBOS : Not to mention the fact that B6 will be offering PHL-BOS later this year. Which, from a fare standpoint at least, makes TTN-BOS competitive but not a
78 mariner : If TTN is offering Frontier incentives, they are mightily disguised. There have been well-reported meetings with the Freeholders, in which the airpor
79 ScottB : The issue boils down to who offers the subsidy. In the case of ICT, the subsidies to FL weren't offered by the airport or its operator -- IIRC the st
80 mariner : Having heard from chums in the area, I'm not scratching my head anymore. Up until now, the TTN routes have been about taking leisure pax from TTN. Th
81 slcdeltarumd11 : the pharmaceutical industry but frontier schedule is probably not acceptable for business people. I wonder if cities like RDU CMH and MSY are offerin
82 mariner : As above, I don't think Frontier is primarily looking for business pax - a bonus if they get some, perhaps, but not the core. mariner
83 PHLLAX : One thing to remember is that David "call me Dave" Siegel is now running the show. His previous employs were at US and COX/ExpressJet, both of which h
84 GentFromAlaska : I checked WN fares from PHL (closest airport to TTN) to all five cities F9 announced yesterday which are also served by WN. WN has not reduced their
85 EWRandMDW : About 5 years ago I spent nearly 10 months doing consulting work for a biopharma company in NJ near Trenton. I would have loved it if there was servic
86 Post contains links DeltaRules : CMH just posted this on their Facebook: http://myemail.constantcontact.com/F...soid=1101853711549&aid=sCmVHCauzh8 F9 inherited CMH from YX. For a
87 ScottB : But from looking at the schedule, how would a flight departing TTN at 10:35 AM have worked any better for you than the existing options from EWR/PHL?
88 jerseyguy : It also could be that without competition network carriers charge $$$ for flights in to places like TTN, With multiple or possibly low-cost carriers
89 AVLAirlineFreq : There are significant pharmaceutical businesses in both areas. But that being said... I agree with this. I don't see this doing particularly well wit
90 DeltaRules : What I'd like to know is with SEA, SAN, and SFO unserved and hopes to lure in VX and/or AS, as well as hopes of trans-Atlantic service in the future,
91 bobloblaw : Cambridge will never have nonstop to SEA and SAN. SFO is possible but unlikely.
92 bobloblaw : Stupid idiotic iPhone. I type CMH and get Cambridge???
93 Post contains images jerseyguy : Stupid idiotic bobloblaw, the forums have edit post for a reason. See I misspelled your name and I edited my post[Edited 2013-01-08 18:51:23]
94 PSU.DTW.SCE : F9 DTW-TTN .....????? 3x per week, and mostly middle-of-the-day flights I'm going to venture to guess this route has an average load factor below 40%.
95 mariner : I'm puzzled why middle-of-the-day flights would matter too much to leisure pax? mariner
96 slcdeltarumd11 : I am thrilled to see such a great little airport gain service back! I use to eat at the little cafe above and watch the planes was pre security so you
97 Post contains links mariner : The new route map might give you a clue. DEN is the only "big dot" but TTN and MCO get a bigger typeface. http://www.flyfrontier.com/plan-book.../rou
98 IllinoisMan : This is, what, about the 6th airline to attempt scheduled passenger service from TTN? I hope F9 is getting a state or county grant/subsidy/tax credit
99 Post contains links and images mariner : Oh, give Frontier a bit more credit that that. According to NJ.com, 14 airlines have failed to establish themselves at TTN. http://www.nj.com/mercer/
100 jerseyguy : Re: IL man and driving F9 doesn't expect people to drive further to use TTN. They are aiming for people like me who live closer to TTN. I'm 30 minutes
101 PHLwok : Realistically, the number is probably about half that - the total populations of Mercer County NJ and Bucks County PA in the 2010 Census were in the
102 bobloblaw : Who are you the inventor of the iPhone? You call me stupid and idiotic and add a smiley face at the end????
103 jerseyguy : I was being sarcastic, you called your iPhone stupid and idiotic when it made a mistake I called you the same . Though I probably went a little too fa
104 rampart : As opposed to driving to EWR or PHL? Like they have an advantage in that regard? Unless you live next door to EWR or PHL, and I've never tried to wal
105 jerseyguy : They are sponsoring the traffic report on news/talk radio station NJ 101.5 and billboards on the Turnpike near New Brunswick I believe. They also shou
106 PHLBOS : And all those attempts failed for one of the following reasons: 1. Carrier was an unknown startup when it started service at TTN aka Fly-By-Night ope
107 jerseyguy : Nope, just Orlando, Cancun, Denver. Best they could do is TTN-DEN (with a 45 minute stop). They already have a DEN-MDW-TTN flight with the same fligh
108 Flytravel : Also I saw ads on the PA Turnpike. It's still far from Manhattan. I'd think if someone from RDU wants a cheap fare to Manhattan, it'd be easier to fl
109 EWRandMDW : Shocking as it may be to believe, not everyone is interested in going to Manhattan! There are other places one can visit. And if one absolutely has t
110 jetsetter629 : I booked TTN-MDW for $98 round trip this summer - they have my business! If they are pulling leisure traffic, who is going to Detroit for a vacation??
111 iowaman : Interestingly enough it was bookable for a while (I had posted previously in this thread it was) but it appears to have been removed now. I suppose t
112 EWRandMDW : The way I read it, the same plane is used DEN-MDW and MDW-TTN, so I don't understand why connecting pax and bag transfer issues come into play at all
113 Post contains links mariner : If someone wants to go only to Manhattan, then sure. But - not everyone does. A family of four on a limited budget might want to see Manhattan and Ph
114 PMUA787 : Well if they are into that style of route planning how about starting service out of OLM Olympia, WA? There is still a passenger terminal on the west
115 slcdeltarumd11 : LOL yeah both directions those are two of the least vacation friendly cities in america! I think its more leisure as in i have family in michigan and
116 Post contains links mariner : And now NJ.com throws its hat in the ring in an editorial with an over-enthusiastic headline: http://www.nj.com/times-opinion/inde...ditorial_with_fro
117 steeler83 : I keep hearing ads on W.O.G.L. In fact, just this morning I heard an ad for "Frontier Airlines flights leaving from Trenton to Midway, Raleigh, Bosto
118 GentFromAlaska : As would a State specific (NJ in this case) bi or tri-fold brochure showing F9 route map and or timetable for all service offered by F9 at Interstate
119 Flytravel : VFR would probably apply. Ok that could work. There are also some destinations right east of I-195 including the shore in Ocean and Monmouth Counties
120 rampart : I would think it's the other way around in that instance (and probably for CMH and MDW, too). I hear laughter. Does anyone fly to Newark, literally N
121 PSU.DTW.SCE : Ultimately ground transportation will make or break the success of these flights. In some cases it may make sense to fly into TTN, in other cases the
122 STT757 : New Jersey is a small State, TTN is not that far from any region of the State.
123 Post contains images mariner : I think Princeton helps set Trenton more clearly in the travelling public's mind. I don't think Frontier is looking for upscale Princeton traffic. It
124 Post contains images jerseyguy : Nobody, its for people wanting to get out of Detroit
125 jerseyguy : An ad that said "From Nassau Street to Nassau, Fly Frontier to the Bahamas at only $99 each way", perhaps???
126 Post contains images mariner : Exactly. If you could work the Nassau Inn into that, I'd be in hog heaven. mariner
127 rampart : Hey, I resemble that remark. Good point, but I've found that smaller airports often have greater availability, than bigger airports, for rental vehic
128 jerseyguy : I got a million of them..how bout "From Hopewell to Bob Hope Intl..Burbank for $109 each way", and "From Lambertville to Lambert International...St L
129 PSU.DTW.SCE : Access to Amtrak, SEPTA, and/or NJTransit would certainly help out TTN. If you are going to/from suburban Philadelphia or Jersey then automobile is r
130 Flytravel : Actually it's not bad from the western suburbs. Road backup is more congested on 76, 476 and 95, than on 276 (Turnpike between King of Prussia and NJ
131 steeler83 : Yep, I am a Downingtown resident and know all about those roads, especially the new slip-ramp that opened near Malvern/Great Valley. Regarding the re
132 slcdeltarumd11 : TTN will not be helped out at all by the trains. There is no access to TTN by the train and i dont think by mass transit. I have never seen a NJ Tran
133 rampart : This is why I said: Want the airport to do well? Integrate it with the existing very good mass transit somehow. Certainly the free parking is great f
134 Flytravel : I think the service is still too infrequent for mass transit shuttles. But, how much would a taxi cost? It's listed as 5.4 to 6 miles from the main Tr
135 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : The tenured frugal Possibly enter some sort of agreement with www.megabus.com who offers direct service from Princeton to NYC currently nine times da
136 jerseyguy : Depending on which way one goes its between 6.50 and 8.00 on the NJ turnpike and $13.00 for the Lincoln Tunnel so between $19.50 and $21 in tolls alo
137 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yeah I'm very familar with the area as am regularly in the area and almost moved there a few years ago. I just hate the KOP area. I was in and out of
138 slcdeltarumd11 : Too much hassle to be worht it. After a taxi and decent train ticket the a ah yeah but they still need to pay a heavy toll LOL! They are not gonna pul
139 mariner : If they think there's a buck to be made they'll jump on it - or someone will. mariner
140 steeler83 : That's how the folks at Westmoreland County market LBE on top of the already dirt-cheap fares on NK.
141 jerseyguy : I was considering taking a short trip to Chicago (with $49 fares why not) and it surprised me how expensive flights to the Windy City were? $350rt fro
142 Flytravel : Once Spirit started LGA-ORD, WN dropped fares on LGA/EWR-MDW. Why it did so on EWR-MDW is unclear to me. PHL-MDW used to be fared lower. Additionally
143 Post contains images jerseyguy : WN: PHL-CMH is the only reasonable fare at $104 some days (looking overall at the fare calender) EWR-MDW is $141 almost $300 seems a bit steep And cer
144 mariner : I would be very surprised if Frontier goes for frequency. Eventually, perhaps, if MDW does well, but not yet. I think mostly TTN needs a New England
145 Flytravel : Maybe it'd attempt TTN-PVD or TTN-BOS, making sense if timed well for a day trip to BOS (i.e. early AM flight to PVD or BOS, and PM return).[Edited 2
146 jerseyguy : Ok, even if the wont do frequency the flight has to be timed better has to be early on the way out and late evening on the way back 10am out and 11am
147 GentFromAlaska : I think an agreement with 9K to/from TTN to a handful of Hyannis Air dba Cape Air; New England cities would fit neatly if 9K existing contracts/code
148 Post contains links jerseyguy : An Article from the Times of Trenton with some interesting statements and photos http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...rontier_airlines_to_make_tren.
149 bobloblaw : 9K to Nantucket and MYV would be good in the summer. Small planes however see their CASM bottom quickly. TTN-New England might be too long for an opt
150 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Mr. Shurz statement caught my eye that TTN is a east coast base of operations. He fell short of using the term hub or focus city. "The Denver-based a
151 freakyrat : Looks like Frontier uses one of Allegiant's favorite style of ramps at TTN.
152 Post contains images point2point : Looking at an overhead Google map of TTN, I see that there is some vacant land SW of the main 6000' runway. What are the possibilities that TTN could
153 Post contains links and images mariner : At the moment - not high. The airport has publicly committed to not lengthening the runway: http://www.state.nj.us/counties/mercer/departments/airpor
154 Post contains images point2point : Thanks for the above..... and this with the lack of even a website did catch my notice........ SNA gets benefit of the wind to DEN and is about 850 m
155 jerseyguy : Re: gentfromalaska and TTN-DEN The TTN-MDW-DEN flight is ok for connections but the DEN-TTN leaves at 715am and is too early for connections.
156 PHLBOS : F9 dropped PHL-DEN a while ago. The only routes they currently serve out PHL are to CUN and Punta Cana; which are former-U5 (USA3000) routes and Appl
157 PlaneAdmirer : Does anyone know if F9 is getting much cargo revenue out of TTN? I am wondering if there is high value pharmacuetical in particular which may explain
158 EWRandMDW : But SNA has non-stop transcons to EWR @ about 2400 miles, while TTN-DEN will clock in at about 1600. Given TTN's longer runway, couldn't a non-stop t
159 slcdeltarumd11 : United has flown this with the 757-200 and 737-700 neither of which Frontier owns. I might be wrong but i have seen united schedule EWR-SNA with the
160 mariner : I don't think that is the reason for CMH. I think it is more likely to be because there is no LCC service from CMH to the PHL/NYC area. RDU is slight
161 GentFromAlaska : By my estimation the flight time between DEN-MDW is roughly two hours and fifteen minutes; add to that the hour time change between Mountain and the
162 Post contains images point2point : The glitch or this flight here is that an SNA-EWR flight goes eastward, and almost always will have winds at pushing it along from SNA to EWR........
163 mariner : It may be possible, I'm not a Tech Wallah, I don't know. But I do know there has been a lot of discussion about it. I also don't know if Frontier wil
164 jetsetter629 : Who would want to fly TTN-MDW-DEN-SFO? I don't think the MDW "connection" is appealing unless DEN is your final destination? I don't see how time in t
165 mariner : Which, for the summer, Colorado is. I expect there may be a wee bit more expansion at TTN for the summer, but I'm wary of too much. Frontier has thro
166 Post contains images point2point : Isn't the time being spent in the air a measure as to have far of a distance a plane can go? Since wind factors are a consideration, and obviously go
167 steeler83 : I would love to see that. I just hope the folks flying out of PIT won't run back to US. No offense, but the PIT o&d flyers have to be among the d
168 EWRandMDW : I have one final (?) comment about the ability of F9 to fly TTN-DEN nonstop given TTN's fairly short runway. SNA-EWR is done >1x daily, but argumen
169 Post contains links PHLBOS : Correction to my earlier post: F9 dropped PHL-DEN 8 days ago. http://www.philly.com/philly/busines...s_airport_its_East_Coast_base.html Excerpt: Fron
170 jerseyguy : Thank you for correcting yourself, it was announced in September but wasn't effective till 1/7/13.
171 enilria : But F9 still flies to PHL with scheduled service. I don't know why there was an article saying they are moving everything to TTN. Also, they said the
172 slcdeltarumd11 : Yeah but a 319 is probably too large and once daily is not gonna be acceptable when Amtrak is running with such frequency city center to city center.
173 GentFromAlaska : Some of the elders here might call it nostalgia or rural. I would love the see one of the trucks with the staircase on the back used. Are the two App
174 PHLBOS : See my post from yesterday (reposted below): F9's website shows those 2 routes on their map, so one can indeed book those flights through them (F9) w
175 Post contains images point2point : Good point! Thanks for this. And from info that I found, the metal used here was a 737-700 (can't find if it was an ER or not) and I don't see anythi
176 mariner : With a few exceptions, all the Apple Vacations flights are flown as scheduled Frontier as well - one notable exception is ORD-CUN, which is only char
177 slcdeltarumd11 : The plane certainly can fly the route no issue on a longer runway the distance is low for a 319. Its the runway length thats in question or how much
178 Post contains links mariner : So PIT joins the list of cities that have no or little LLC service to PHL/NYC area? It's getting to be quite a long list. I was puzzled when I read t
179 Flytravel : PIT is just too driveable from the Philly/TTN region which wouldn't make it worthwhile esp. when you consider western Philly suburbs to eastern Pitt s
180 gustywinds : What is stopping F9 from flying DEN-TTN nonstop but stopping in MDW on the return (TTN-MDW-DEN)? I believe F9's main issue is aircraft availability. I
181 mariner : I never heard of 3 x A320 coming in in April, I only knew of a planned one. But - TTN changes everything, and since they aren't planning to fly A320'
182 DeltaRules : That's interesting because with F9, the only destination common to DAY and CMH was MKE. CMH-MCI and DAY-DEN were the other routes flown from those tw
183 mariner : Anything;s possible, I guess, but I'd be surprised. I think CMH is more about TTN rather than DEN. mariner
184 Post contains links jerseyguy : There was some info of note in the Philly.com article http://www.philly.com/philly/busines...s_airport_its_East_Coast_base.html First they say that lo
185 STT757 : I want to try them from TTN for a trip to Florida during President's Day weekend, the departure from TTN is good (Friday) but I want to come back Mond
186 GentFromAlaska : As I recall the AQ SNA-HNL 737 required extra or modified fuel tanks to compensate for the extra fuel burn. It may also included AQ OAK-HNL service.
187 jerseyguy : Its expensive but it does operate on Monday the 18th $'78 for the one way FEB18 F9 0976 FLL 06:40 PM TTN 09:25 PM And the only Friday flight TTN-MCO i
188 mariner : FLL-TTN flies on Mondays - #976 leaving FLL at 6.40 pm. That's what they're doing - TTN-MDW-DEN same plane service. I imagine there may be some other
189 GentFromAlaska : I was confusing the TTN-MDW-DEN with the wishlist TTN-DEN non-stop talked about by the TTN airprort authority. I knew the DEN-MDW-TTN came to fruitio
190 jerseyguy : TTN-MDW-DEN also came thru F9 907 TTN 1035am DEN 200pm
191 Post contains links and images mariner : Free flights for a year - to the lucky Grand Prize winner of the Trenton Takes Off Sweepstakes: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fro...n-takes-off-swe
192 slcdeltarumd11 : Exactly the problem. I think there will be many people who would use them but the dates just wont work out. At least for COS they could connect peopl
193 STT757 : They give you a 10% off discount code if you enter.
194 Post contains links mariner : It doesn't seem to be affecting loads: http://articles.philly.com/2013-01-1...t-frontier-airlines-daniel-shurz/2 "The twice-weekly Orlando planes are
195 steeler83 : I live in Downingtown (western suburb), and my parents live in Baldwin (I pretty much consider that Pittsburgh; their mailing address is Pittsburgh -
196 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : And January and some of February have scaled back operations at the Disney parks. I believe Universal also scales back some in January and February.
197 slcdeltarumd11 : I see the allegiant model being good for leisure destiations like MCO i am just questioning if it can work on city pairs like TTN-RDU/CMH for example
198 mariner : I think we're all guessing - and to some extent Frontier is, too. There is little or no precedent for TTN. But RDU is already 6 x weekly, as is MDW.
199 Flytravel : I think probably it could work between the NJ and Pittsburgh traffic than the Philly to Pittsburgh traffic on the F9 model That is, 2x or 3x weekly w
200 jerseyguy : This may sound a bit corny but the idea is to get the service known. Frontier Airlines..the official airline of the Trenton Thunder (AA minor league b
201 Post contains images point2point : I would wonder if F9 eventually becomes successful at TTN, and this lasts a few years.... and then F9 starts receiving their 319NEO orders...... could
202 GentFromAlaska : If I had my druthers F9 would remain a domestic (North America) carrier and avoid the global recognition. There are many like me who will avoid where
203 Post contains images mariner : As DS keeps saying the task is to make people aware of the service at TTN - and in some cases, where Trenton is. CMH airport has hit on a novel way of
204 GentFromAlaska : Although the placard shows the largest tag to be Trenton I might have expanded Trenton is Jersey's capital city and a alternative to NYC and Philly.
205 Post contains links mariner : Keep it simple,. I say. RDU airport tries to explain where Trenton is - far less successfully, I think: http://www.rdu.com/newsroom/stories/frontier.
206 GentFromAlaska : I was looking at the Amtrak fares between Philly and Trenton and Trenton to NYC (Penn Station) The fare from Philly to Trenton cost $28.00 one way an
207 EWRandMDW : You can take SEPTA from Trenton Station to Philly and NJ Transit from the same station to NYC for less than 1/2 the AMTRAK fare.
208 slcdeltarumd11 : It's still a risk because almost any destination from TTN is a risk. But there's only one way to find out. NJT is really unrealistic from NYP for exam
209 Post contains links mariner : Mercer County appears to be onboard as it should be: http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...ughes_focuses_on_economic_hea.html "Mercer County Executiv
210 Post contains links and images clickhappy : I know another airline that had excellent TTN-MCO loads: View Large View MediumPhoto © Cary Liao - AeroPX
211 Post contains images mariner : I think it's the back of all our minds. Half of a.not said it when Frontier first announced TTN. mariner[Edited 2013-01-17 21:39:02]
212 Sligo : (first post, hi all) I like almost everything about this experiment by F9 except the frequencies. If you're going to do this, dont do it half-hearted
213 bobloblaw : I think the Florida flying will do well but be rest wont. F9 will pull everything by the end of summer except Florida.
214 Sligo : If they dont get the frequncies in MDW/etc up...then yes, I agree. But the underlying demand is there in spades. F9, for whatever reason (cautiousnes
215 Flytravel : I could see MCO, TPA and FLL staying year round with best frequency, replace DTW and CMH with PIT and CLE, MSY seasonal at best, while MDW, RDU and A
216 jerseyguy : Yeah, I was staying in Princeton at the Courtyard on Rt 1 and decieded to check TTN out. It took me 15 minutes to get to TTN and I probably could hav
217 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Oh but the ambiance of rail. With that said I suppose ambiance cost! I suspected there are other modes of transportation less expensive; mega being o
218 mariner : One of the essential reasons Frontier is now making money is because of the low and lowered frequencies. mariner
219 Sligo : My asteriks added above to emphasize the word "now". Sure, I agree given that they're flying all leisure now. Allegiant-style frequencies to leisure
220 STT757 : TTN has some big corporate neighbors: Merrill Lynch Bristol Myers Squib Johnson and Johnson Princeton University
221 mariner : I'm not sure I do. Frontier was always a leisure airline. It came to grief when it tried to be more than that - I've given an example in the other th
222 jerseyguy : It says its going after all leisure passengers but why did they start MDW with 6X weekly those 6 days being business days too. I would think alot of l
223 mariner : Because this is a summer schedule and because a lot of people want to fly MDW-PHL/NYC (and vv) for leisure. The constrained fleet certainly plays int
224 floorrunner : Also the State Government.
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