DFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 463 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9033 times:
Good God, they just never seem to stop. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy for EK and what they are accomplishing, but holy cow. I just don't know how they do it.
SCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 455 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8782 times:
Quoting gauravpai (Reply 3): EK announces 3 x daily A380 services to JED
Just some additional services for the Dubai Shopping Festival. Still, I wonder how many seats there are among Dubai and JED in a weekly basis (with EK, FZ, SV and XY to DXB and G9 and XY to SHJ).
BestWestern From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 6417 posts, RR: 58 Reply 5, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8765 times:
Quoting gauravpai (Reply 3): EK announces 3 x daily A380 services to JED
for four days...
Emirates Airline will offer a triple daily A380 service to Jeddah for four days in January to support the school-holiday demand, which also coincides with popular Dubai Shopping Festival (DSF).
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 378 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8341 times:
Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1): Good God, they just never seem to stop. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy for EK and what they are accomplishing, but holy cow. I just don't know how they do it.
They won't stop ...
... until they have hourly A380 services to ALL cities of the world!
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3890 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4737 times:
Emirates Adds 5th Daily Bangkok Service from late-March 2013
Emirates starting 31MAR13 is launching 5th daily service on Dubai – Bangkok service, initially operated by 3-class Airbus A330-200 aircraft. From 01SEP13, the new flight (EK376/377) will switch from A330-200 to 3-class 777-300ER aircraft with First Class Suite. Reservation for this new flight opened this morning.
EK384 DXB0305 – 1225BKK 388 D
EK376 DXB0340 – 1300BKK 332 D
EK418 DXB0850 – 1810BKK 77W D
EK372 DXB0940 – 1915BKK 77W D
EK374 DXB2300 – 0820+1BKK 773 D
EK385 BKK0105 – 0450DXB 388 D
EK419 BKK0225 – 0600DXB 77W D
EK375 BKK0935 – 1315DXB 773 D
EK377 BKK1525 – 1830DXB 332 D
EK373 BKK2120 – 0030+1DXB 77W D
CityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 642 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4015 times:
Yes, the presence of EK in Southeast Asia really is astounding! This means that the daily number of flights between Dubai and the region will add up to 21 daily flights, which is incredible!
And although the expansion in this region is huge, I wouldn't expect EK to be nearly finished. If rights are granted in the future, MNL and CGK will either get a fourth daily or the A380 if it becomes available in a 2-class configuration.
Also, I think we can expect them to launch more secondary cities, such as DPS, SUB, CEB and the likes...
SYDSpotter From Australia, joined Oct 2012, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3816 times:
Some of the BKK/SIN/KUL flights continue onto other destinations (e.g. HKG/SYD/MEL/BNE) so they are not "pure" DXB-BKK/SIN/KUL rotations. Alot of the traffic on these flights will only be flying passengers from DXB to the end destination. Nevertheless, it is still some very impressive figures.
CARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 705 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3561 times:
This just shows that they are a transit-airline for 99% of their seats. Mainly shuffling Europeans to their Asian holiday destinations (regarding the airports mentioned by the OP).
I would hope the EU would limit their slots and airports much more. Don't let them transport more than 150 or 200% than their O+D traffic between Dubai and the destination airports. EK would go bust sooner or later...
Instead we let them operate how many flights they want and reduce profit margins of our home airlines. And no one wants to see the advantages they have financially, be it labour costs or taxes...
SQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1053 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3327 times:
Quoting CityAirline (Reply 10): Also, I think we can expect them to launch more secondary cities, such as DPS, SUB, CEB and the likes...
They'd do very well on the DPS route if it is non-stop from DXB I think.
Someone know if QR's flight from DPS has a decent amount of through traffic to DOH? When I took the flight DPS>SIN, it was full of Russian tourists heading on to Europe and Russia. Eliminating the layover in Singapore would probably help a lot.
qf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2549 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2871 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 13): Instead we let them operate how many flights they want and reduce profit margins of our home airlines. And no one wants to see the advantages they have financially, be it labour costs or taxes...
Perhaps those home carriers could quit complaining and start doing something about it.
MillwallSean From Brunei, joined Apr 2008, 1115 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2398 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 13): This just shows that they are a transit-airline for 99% of their seats. Mainly shuffling Europeans to their Asian holiday destinations (regarding the airports mentioned by the OP).
I struggle to understand how you reach that conclusion? or do you assume that KUL, MNL, BKK and SIN dont have their own local market?
BKK might be a tourist driven market but the other three markets is everything but tourist driven.
To MNL, the main driver isnt Europeans but traffic to and from the gulf. A mix of maid express together with labourers and business traffic.
To KUL, I might suggest a quick glance at the visitor numbers from the gulf to Malaysia for you. Will be enlightening. Quite a decent number. Malaysia for example saw trade with the UAE quadruple over the last ten years and UAE is now one of Malaysias top 5 trade partners. There is no need to rely on Europeans from KUL.
SIN as a holiday destination is a new one. Expensive citybreaks. Nah, EK cater for the businesstraffic and is a favourite among the large amount of westerners living there. A one stop about half way is pretty ideal compared to a stopover in one of the European hubs.
That EK also fill up seats to Bangkok with European tourists is not disputed but they dont fly there 4 times daily to cater for European holidaymakers au contraire. BKK gets a fair share of visitors from the gulf and Africa as well.
Its easy to have a go at EK. but Id suggest we then need to look into other amounts of transfer passengers. For example those that LH takes between India and US. That shouldnt be allowed either if we start restricting EK...
ytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1444 posts, RR: 23 Reply 18, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2394 times:
Quoting qf002 (Reply 15): Perhaps those home carriers could quit complaining and start doing something about it.
I am hard-pressed to think what any airline could do to compete with EK given the regulatory regime in the West. Perhaps governments in the Western world should outlaw unions in the aviation sector and declare aviation to be a completely tax-free sector. They should also exempt all airlines from local labour laws. And should completely exempt airports from any local noise regulations. That would put the airlines of the world on par with EK.
So what is the alternative?
Would you prefer to ban all ME3 airlines from flying to all countries where local airlines are struggling, and then have to settle for an inferior product due to the lack of competition?
EK undoubtedly has favourable operating conditions, and they have made a model that exploits these conditions very well.
Plenty of airlines continue to maintain market share in spite of this.
CARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 705 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1970 times:
Quoting ytz (Reply 18): I am hard-pressed to think what any airline could do to compete with EK given the regulatory regime in the West. Perhaps governments in the Western world should outlaw unions in the aviation sector and declare aviation to be a completely tax-free sector. They should also exempt all airlines from local labour laws. And should completely exempt airports from any local noise regulations. That would put the airlines of the world on par with EK.
Quoting flylonghaul (Reply 19):
So what is the alternative?
Would you prefer to ban all ME3 airlines from flying to all countries where local airlines are struggling, and then have to settle for an inferior product due to the lack of competition?
EK undoubtedly has favourable operating conditions, and they have made a model that exploits these conditions very well.
Plenty of airlines continue to maintain market share in spite of this.
You both point out exactly what are the unfair advantages of the ME carriers.
And you don't have to "ban" them to solve the problem. But just install a quota related to O+D traffic. Perhaps at 200% of the seats the O+D market would fill up. Perhaps a little bit higher. Whatever the major network carriers want.
3 A380s and 2 777s to LHR daily are so far over the top and are just possible because oft the unacceptable advantages given to EK compared to BA and the other European Airlines.
seansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 717 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1939 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 13): This just shows that they are a transit-airline for 99% of their seats. Mainly shuffling Europeans to their Asian holiday destinations (regarding the airports mentioned by the OP).
I would hope the EU would limit their slots and airports much more. Don't let them transport more than 150 or 200% than their O+D traffic between Dubai and the destination airports. EK would go bust sooner or later...
Why would we want that? Europeans choose to use EK. Nobody forces you. Let the consumer decide.
Quoting CARST (Reply 20): 3 A380s and 2 777s to LHR daily are so far over the top and are just possible because oft the unacceptable advantages given to EK compared to BA and the other European Airlines
Its actually 5 daily A380 or soon will be. This has been discussed to death. EK are clearly offering a service the public want otherwise they wouldn't fly with them. Increased competition is good as it means all airlines up their game and fight for passengers rather than just rely on their position.
mcogator From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 95 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1724 times:
Quoting gauravpai (Thread starter): EK has announced that beginning 31st march 2013, they will fly 5 daily to bangkok including two A380 services
they will also start 4th daily service to KUL, and also 3rd daily service to MNL.
These will also serve most of the Eastern US and Texas with service to these cities in very comparable flying time, and most likely less traveling time than heading West or through Europe.
DolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 218 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1490 times:
How is EK able to fill so many flights to JED outside the Hajj season? Do they charter aircraft during that month since demand to JED is so much higher then?
ekgold From Australia, joined May 2005, 204 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1324 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 20): 3 A380s and 2 777s to LHR daily are so far over the top and are just possible because oft the unacceptable advantages given to EK compared to BA and the other European Airlines.
BA currently fly 2 services daily LHR to Dubai as well as Virgin daily Service.
Being a regular on the DXB/LHR service EK fly so many times because there is demand not just because they feel they want to. Word on the BA and VS flights is that they are heavily loaded as well...
25 leftyboarder: True, but unfair practices like low taxes and missing labor restrictions eventually kill the competition - in this case look at AF and the like leavi
26 infinit: Okay, time for SQ to raise the white flag and call it quits to EK's bottomless pit! Give the fleet to Scoot and send the Singapore Girls and Boys to t
27 flylonghaul: Exactly I can't ever see that happening. AF yes. All European and Asian airlines... Never.
28 LondonCity: I wouldn't be so sure in the case of European carriers. SK is suspending its CPH-BKK flts soon (after serving Thailand for over 60 years) and there i
29 flylonghaul: It's a shame SK are dropping the route, but its also not a surprise. LH dropping BKK would also be a shame, but would make room for higher yield to r
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