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EK Wants Close Ties With AA, Will AA Go For It?  
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7497 posts, RR: 24
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

EK has made public that they would like an arrangement with AA on several occasions.

What do you think? Will AA be able to deal with EK knowing that relations between BA and EK are less than stellar and stick closer to OneWorld ties or will AA dance with EK?

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24834 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7008 times:

Really continuation of what they said in September
AA And Emirates In Partnership Talks (by LAXintl Sep 12 2012 in Civil Aviation)

As the article states, the ball is in AA's court.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7497 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6973 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
As the article states, the ball is in AA's court.

Indeed. Things have progressed in AA's chapter 11 filing quite a bit since then. The question is whether AA will want to work with EK or not.



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User currently offlines4popo From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6784 times:

If this does happen, you can count on EK finally starting MIA service. AA can provide lots of feed to that flight.

User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4336 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Thread starter):

EK has made public that they would like an arrangement with AA on several occasions.

What do you think? Will AA be able to deal with EK knowing that relations between BA and EK are less than stellar and stick closer to OneWorld ties or will AA dance with EK?

Too soon for AA to move on this. The current priorities for AA management are to fend off the US merger effort and finalize the BK emergence plans (including the proposed new services to begin). Then, and only then, will AA give serious thought to a deal with EK -- and it would do so on far stronger terms than it could possibly hope to obtain while inside BK.



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User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 672 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6069 times:

I think IAG and the TATL JV may have something to say for this. EK is makes money sending passengers from US destinations to India, and presumably this would be what AA would feed at JFK, DFW, ORD (eventually), and LAX. BA has significant service and the JV partners have invested much into supporting the LHR feed for the India flights. While there is probably lots of traffic to go around, the premium folks choose AA and Oneworld for it's stellar FF programs. LHR is a mess, especially transferring from T3 to T5. If pax could earn OW miles, and AA Advantage miles on EK and get upgraded to EK's premium products with miles - BA would definately loose out of lots of premium connecting passengers.

I'm sure the deal would be great for AA and EK, but like the QF debacle, bad for Oneworld and for CX, BA, and IB, who compete directly with EK.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3718 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6003 times:

Quoting s4popo (Reply 3):
If this does happen, you can count on EK finally starting MIA service. AA can provide lots of feed to that flight.

And at the same time, provide the catalyst for EK to finally start ORD.

Hey, if EK is good enough for fellow oneworld partner QF...



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2349 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5871 times:

Would an AA-EK partnership mean the death of any return to India on AA metal?


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User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 7):
Would an AA-EK partnership mean the death of any return to India on AA metal?

Even without an AA-EK tieup - the entry of QR into oneworld probably meant AA would stay out of India for good.


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1232 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4066 times:

Gosh, this seems like a partnership made in heaven. AA's extensive domestic network seems like a great tie to EK. With the growth of EK into some of AA's hub markets, seems like a slam dunk to me. As a frequent flier, I have always seen some codesharing or something between the two. I assume this would be a massive expansion of this previous partnership.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7497 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3769 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 7):
Would an AA-EK partnership mean the death of any return to India on AA metal?

Common sense would mean the death of any return to India by AA. Simply no money to be made from any of AA's hubs. UA can only make it work because they have EWR which is right in the center of the largest Indian community in the US. Even JFK doesnt have that proximity. AA wont be able to compete with AI's costs out of ORD even after BK.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 5):
I think IAG and the TATL JV may have something to say for this. EK is makes money sending passengers from US destinations to India, and presumably this would be what AA would feed at JFK, DFW, ORD (eventually), and LAX. BA has significant service and the JV partners have invested much into supporting the LHR feed for the India flights. While there is probably lots of traffic to go around, the premium folks choose AA and Oneworld for it's stellar FF programs. LHR is a mess, especially transferring from T3 to T5. If pax could earn OW miles, and AA Advantage miles on EK and get upgraded to EK's premium products with miles - BA would definately loose out of lots of premium connecting passengers.

This is my thought as well. I really want to see this partnership happen, but I wonder if IAG will try to keep AA from doing it. I dont know that BA and EK have quite the toxic relationship that LH/AC and EK have but I dont think they are really good friends either.

However I think EK has much better potential to make money from US to India than BA does simply because of the proximity of DXB to India. Not to mention that every single market EK serves in the US has massive O&D to India. BA serves many markets in the US that dont.

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 9):
Gosh, this seems like a partnership made in heaven

Thats my thought too. Im just waiting to see if AA screws this one up.



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3642 times:
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Quoting s4popo (Reply 3):
If this does happen, you can count on EK finally starting MIA service. AA can provide lots of feed to that flight.

I am looking at the EK making AA an offer they cant refuse. They will start MIA service no matter what most likely. Also it helps AA at least be able to market the middle east and India. Otherwise AA might not be as large player.


User currently onlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5162 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Is it EK's straegy to partner with QF and AA to try and undermine the benefits for QR joining OW?

User currently offlinesqsfo From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

With Qatar's Entry into oneworld, such a tie up seems utterly useless and unnecessary. For the most part, the Indian SubContinent is in question, if AA is really keen on that then why not do it with a fellow partner. This would allow for QR to add destinations like ORD and MIA so AA can feed in. JFK, DFW are already their.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7497 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

Quoting sqsfo (Reply 13):
With Qatar's Entry into oneworld, such a tie up seems utterly useless and unnecessary. For the most part, the Indian SubContinent is in question, if AA is really keen on that then why not do it with a fellow partner. This would allow for QR to add destinations like ORD and MIA so AA can feed in. JFK, DFW are already their.

QR doesnt fly to DFW, EK does.

Quoting anstar (Reply 12):
Is it EK's straegy to partner with QF and AA to try and undermine the benefits for QR joining OW?

OW has the least restrictions on members of the alliances. Members are pretty free to do as they please.



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User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9301 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

Quoting avek00 (Reply 4):
Too soon for AA to move on this. The current priorities for AA management are to fend off the US merger effort and finalize the BK emergence plans (including the proposed new services to begin). Then, and only then, will AA give serious thought to a deal with EK -- and it would do so on far stronger terms than it could possibly hope to obtain while inside BK.

No, a serious thought is being given to a deal now.

As stated below ...

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 11):
I am looking at the EK making AA an offer they cant refuse.

And in addition - Emirates would appear in Miami, Chicago, and increase New York JFK.



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User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4336 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 15):
No, a serious thought is being given to a deal now.

I doubt it, unless EK proves to be a Hail Mary savior from merging with US by putting up some cash of its own for a stake in AMR.



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User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9301 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

Quoting avek00 (Reply 16):
I doubt it, unless EK proves to be a Hail Mary savior from merging with US by putting up some cash of its own for a stake in AMR.

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User currently offlineBlueLine From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 12):

Is it EK's straegy to partner with QF and AA to try and undermine the benefits for QR joining OW?

This is my thinking as well. If another Gulf carrier were to join Star or Skyteam, I would expect them to pursue close relations with UA or DL to try to negate the increased feed going to the new member in the Gulf.

As for AA, the only way I don't see them doing this is if it really ticks off BA and they start looking for a way to end their JV. AA has been reluctant on growing their network to other continents (save for ORD-DUS and DFW-ICN), instead relying on codeshares with international carriers. Combine that with AA pulling out of India last year and having no presence in the Middle East, the afore mentioned reason is the only way I can see this not going through.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7497 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Quoting BlueLine (Reply 18):
Combine that with AA pulling out of India last year and having no presence in the Middle East, the afore mentioned reason is the only way I can see this not going through.

Thats a bit of a contridiction. That would be a reason for AA wanting this tie up.



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User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9301 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

American & Qatar have announced their codeshare pact will begin in February - booking begins Feb 10, travel starts Feb 26.


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User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

So lets just assume that AA do a deal with EK and really hack IAG off and the JV is disbanded...........where does that leave AA then...not everyone who wants to fly to Dubai from the states is going to India, there is a lot of passengers heading to Europe as well...........be interesting to see how this plays out

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

I honestly doubt EK can bring anything to the table for AA that QR can't.

User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9301 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 22):
I honestly doubt EK can bring anything to the table for AA that QR can't.

False. A much bigger fleet to funnel passengers, a lot bigger wallet and a willing to open it up, and a much bigger presence in a key target demographic for AA business.



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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2918 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 23):
False. A much bigger fleet to funnel passengers, a lot bigger wallet and a willing to open it up, and a much bigger presence in a key target demographic for AA business.

The other thing is AA brings domestic feed onto EK at its hubs as well which currently EK lack. With all of those A380's coming online, that is what EK would be after from AA.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 5):
I'm sure the deal would be great for AA and EK, but like the QF debacle, bad for Oneworld and for CX, BA, and IB, who compete directly with EK.

Debacle? The EK deal will be awesome for QF, won't really effect BA and IB who will still co-operate with QF while will have virtually have no impact on CX who doesn't co-operate anywhere with QF other than a 1,000 seat per week codeshare to Italy. Probably the biggest impact of the EK decision is on AF who will lose all of the feed QF provides into SIN and HKG for their flights to CDG.

I don't see an issue with AA striking a deal with EK. If they can do deals with EY and now QR, why not put some codes on EK and grab what feed they can from them? And, at least on the DXB-US direct routes, it's feed that wouldn't be picked up be BA/IB anyway.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4859 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 22):

I honestly doubt EK can bring anything to the table for AA that QR can't.

I honestly doubt QR can bring to the table the same benefits EK will pass onto QF...
If AA don't jump at such a proposal and go with QR I personally believe it's a bad move...
In today's aviation, carriers need to explore ventures which favor the airlines best interest and the QF/EK tieup is a perfect example...

EK413



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