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Japan Airlines Fuel Leak Boston  
User currently offlinedwcontroller From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 153 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 25960 times:

Bad week for JAL...in Boston. Separate incident from the fire yesterday, looks to be a different B787. Alert 2 for a fuel leak from left wing on a departing aircraft. Returning to gate.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/01/0...s-jet-leaks-fuel-at-logan-airport/

[Edited 2013-01-08 09:49:40]


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User currently offlinehnl2bos From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 25854 times:
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Man, I hope the electrical incident isn't anything major. I'm supposed to fly on this flight in April.

Im guessing this one might be some ground crew error?


User currently offlineAtlflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 737 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 25641 times:

Another problem with the 787!

User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9428 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 25505 times:

from my news wires -

airport crews cleaning up fuel
plane towed back to the gate.



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User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1581 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 25431 times:

Another 787 incident seriously? She is going to get a reputation as a hanger queen.


BV
User currently offlinedwcontroller From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 25261 times:

JAL007 was on Taxiway November holding short RWY 22L.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12249 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 25211 times:

Quoting hnl2bos (Reply 1):
Im guessing this one might be some ground crew error?

Perhaps. ANA had a (fuel / oil ??) leak some months ago but I'm not sure if that is the same problem.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12761 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 24965 times:

Seems the DreamLiner is turning into a DreamLemon, sigh...


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User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1581 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 24886 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 6):
Perhaps. ANA had a (fuel / oil ??) leak some months ago but I'm not sure if that is the same problem.

There was an AD regarding fuel leaks but I believe that all of the operators should have carried out the mandated checks by now.



BV
User currently offlinehnl2bos From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 24777 times:
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 4):

A bit over the top?


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3164 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 24720 times:

Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 2):
Another problem with the 787!

Thanks for the astute observation.  


User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 24717 times:

So are they now 2 JAL B787 in BOS? Will they bring a 3rd one? :S

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12761 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 24664 times:

Quoting hnl2bos (Reply 9):

A bit over the top?

I hope so.

From the online sources:

Boeing shares were down 3.2 percent at $73.63 in afternoon trading. The stock fell 2 percent on Monday.

Seems like a good time to buy, says I.

[Edited 2013-01-08 10:53:20]


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User currently offlineKC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 24408 times:

I really should invest in Boeing shares. They will eventually recover from this, and this will be forgotten.

The honor is found in the ends, not the means!


User currently offlineFlyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 23906 times:

I wonder what has been the dispatch reliability for the first 500 787 flights and how does that compare to the dispatch reliability of first 777 or A380 flights. Was the situation really this bad with those airframes too?

User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2099 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 23703 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
Boeing shares were down 3.2 percent at $73.63 in afternoon trading. The stock fell 2 percent on Monday.

Seems like a good time to buy, says I.

Not necessarily. While the drop may be partially attributable to the 787 news, a majority of Boeing profit is from military contracts. What is more likely is that there is a concern about fourth quarter earnings.


User currently offlineAither From South Korea, joined Oct 2004, 859 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 23669 times:

Oil & Fire. Lucky enough it happened on 2 different aircraft.
Probably this event would not have been noticed without the electrical issue yesterday.



Never trust the obvious
User currently offlinedwcontroller From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 23578 times:

Update : 40 Gal of fuel leaked. Aircraft towed back to gate. Aircraft should depart later today. Hopefully this is a non-story by days end.

*towed back

[Edited 2013-01-08 12:16:53]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31130 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 23531 times:
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Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 14):
While the drop may be partially attributable to the 787 news, a majority of Boeing profit is from military contracts.

For 2011, Boeing IDS brought in $3.1 billion in profits with an average margin of 9.9%. Boeing Commercial brought in $3.5 billion and margins were at 9.7%

For the first three quarters of 2012, IDS was $2.3 billion / 9.5% while BCA was $3.5 billion / 9.9%.

So the (simple) majority of profits right now are from Boeing Commercial.


User currently offlineasctty From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 23435 times:

Quoting dwcontroller (Reply 17):

Unfortunately it may end up being a non-story in minor fuel spill terms, but in Boeing 787 safety terms it just adds to the list. Perhaps if Boeing had met it's original delivery target, the percentage of incidents may not be as significant?
Just a thought  


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3164 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 23360 times:

Quoting Aither (Reply 16):
Oil & Fire. Lucky enough it happened on 2 different aircraft.

The fire was inside an electronics bay. The fuel was from the left wing outside the airplane probably 50-100 feet away. Not even close to the sensationalism you are implying.


User currently offlineLofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 23140 times:

How many passengers where on today's flight re booked from yesterdays flight? The passengers must be thinking this B787 is not very good and I want a different aircraft or JAL clearly can't look after their aircraft and which other airline are you going to book me on. Remember its not what we or the people in the industry think it is what the customer thinks.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12249 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 23043 times:

For who wants to know: the plane with the fuel leak is JA824J.


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User currently offlineidlewildchild From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 21837 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 15):
Not necessarily. While the drop may be partially attributable to the 787 news, a majority of Boeing profit is from military contracts. What is more likely is that there is a concern about fourth quarter earnings.

The bigger threat to Boeing is the impending major downsizing of the US military. Between sequestation and a general need for far less military might than the USA currently has, it's likely Boeing is going to take a hit from the US government coffers more than need to worry about the commercial aviation side of the equation.

Quoting Lofty (Reply 22):
How many passengers where on today's flight re booked from yesterdays flight? The passengers must be thinking this B787 is not very good and I want a different aircraft or JAL clearly can't look after their aircraft and which other airline are you going to book me on. Remember its not what we or the people in the industry think it is what the customer thinks.

Not to be icky but that's why I wrote the other day (prior to JL/BOS incident) I'm giving the 787 a year to get the kinks out before I book one. Too many new things and between the United pilot who told me the SA)">UA birds were all grounded on 12/27 with chronic fuel leaks and issues and the fire in Boston, I'm passing for awhile.

Fortunately my next trip is on SA/A346 JFK-JNB come February and Boeing 737s inside South Africa!


User currently offlineSWALUV From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 22425 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):
JA824J

Does anyone know when the aircraft was delivered?


25 Post contains links xaapb : On it's way to Narita: http://es.flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL7 Greetings
26 motif1 : Don't you worry about Boeing! Japan and India are about to spent huge money modernizing their armies in the near future. I hope that would make it le
27 Post contains links GSPflyer : Looks like the flight is on its way to NRT, about 4 hours late. Hopefully Boeing gets these issues sorted out. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL7
28 Viscount724 : September 25, 2012.
29 n471wn : I must say this is not the kind of response I would expect from a seasoned traveler and an a.netter.....
30 Scipio : I think it is a very rational response, in particular from a seasoned traveler and a.netter. My doctor once told me that, as a principle, he doesn't
31 Post contains images AeroWesty : There's risk in everything. How one handles that risk is key. After the DC-10 grounding I avoided DC-10s as much as possible for a few years, but sti
32 uta999 : Boeing need a plan B Here goes: Sack the 787 management team and bring the original 777 team from the 1990s out of retirement Put the 787 wings and en
33 copter808 : Yes, it's fatal accident record is exactly the same as the 787! It just has been in service a far shorter time.
34 kanban : can not tell if that was a joke or just a result of oxygen shortage. Who would want a plane designed and built by 70-80 year olds?.. How many planes
35 Post contains links AirMailer : Sounds like UA may have found something: "UPDATE II: In another line of bad news for Boeing coming out today – a scoop from the WSJ’s Jon Ostrower
36 Roseflyer : There is some extreme sensationalism about grounding airplanes and abandoning the program for something as small as a 40 gallon fuel leak and associat
37 n471wn : I guess I just have too much respect for mathematics and odds-----I would take my chances on any aircraft anytime and anywhere. If you think you will
38 Post contains images Scipio : It is the individual responsibility of each of us to decide whether or not we want to play the lottery I don't play the lottery, and I will be hesita
39 AeroWesty : That's a false comparison because the lottery doesn't have the same changing risk elements. The general risk of dying in a plane crash is something l
40 airbazar : I wouldn't expect many at all. This flight runs with very high loads so there wouldn't have been many empty seats for yesterday's passengers. I suspe
41 dfambro : Hmm, there are quite a few diseases with major advances in standard of care in the last 5 years. You'd voluntarily pass on them on principle? I can s
42 aviateur : Ah yes, here we go. There's no denying the 787's electrical issues are potentially troubling. However, it's both good (somewhat) and bad (mostly) that
43 CCA : The fact the airport manager used the word vent makes me think this wasn't a leak, just full tanks and the design doing doing what it's meant to. It's
44 Scipio : Of course, this is a pragmatic rather than dogmatic principle, as illustrated by the very fact that he explained his thinking to me and left the fina
45 aviateur : I was thinking that too, except that the overflow was obvious enough to prompt at least one pilot to report it via ATC. Forty gallons isn't terribly
46 Wisdom : The B787 has had far more issues since its EIS than the A380. If they have so many more small issues, it's only a matter of time for bigger issues to
47 sxf24 : I have heard - unofficially - that the damage is minimal and would have been even less if the firefighters hadn't used axes. The window shade compone
48 F9animal : Thank god the fire on this bird happened on the ground! Had it been at 35, 000 feet over the Pacific.... Not too concerned about the fuel issue. These
49 jetmech : CFRP may not have been used for the fuselage of a commercial widebody prior to the 787, but it is used widely used on a number of in service commerci
50 Captainmeeerkat : How are these vents controlled? Electrically?
51 Post contains images CCA : The vents are open all the time it's where the air goes out as the fuel goes in during refueling and where the air goes in when the aircraft burns fue
52 Post contains images Captainmeeerkat : Thanks for the explanation!
53 Post contains images ferpe : The venting on the Starlifter seems to be a little more then normal
54 Revelation : Any data to back up that statement? Really? Once your car's muffler falls off, you're sure that the wheels will be falling off too?
55 Kaiarahi : There's a photo of the damage on the "smoking" thread. FYI, 777s have batteries. So does every commercial airliner - treadmills and hamsters take up
56 Post contains images ASA : hahaha ... you guys are running a stand-up show here!
57 sqsfo : We Americans must be eating shit at this point for our disgusting attitude at the A380 some 5 years ago when it faced problems as well. After so many
58 Norcal773 : So many problems with 787 at JAL?? Can you please explain that? All I know of was the battery incident two days ago and the fuel thing yesterday was
59 JAAlbert : Don't forget the 727. It suffered a few crashes early in it's career that were linked to the handling characteristics of the plane. As I recall, unkn
60 bellancacf : If it turns out that this is an instance of overfill/venting, would it be appropriate to edit the title of this thread: "leak"?
61 Post contains links Flying Belgian : http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/08/tr...ner-fuel-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
62 Post contains images abba : Had it been an A380...... What we are seeing here is that when the press first gets started covering incidents then no matter how small an incident t
63 Post contains images ASA : TRUE BREAKING NEWS: JAL 787 flights frequently delayed since Obama reelection!
64 CM : The best comment in this entire thread. Thanks for hiding a nugget in among the debris.
65 RDH3E : The United pilot who told you that is full of it. There were 12 scheduled 787 departures on 12/27, all 12 operated, granted there were 7 delays, (All
66 Viscount724 : In its first 5 years of service there were 10 727 hull losses with 456 fatalities. Out of curiosity I looked at some other western jet types and tabu
67 Post contains links kenadams : Condensed, subtitled recording of the ATC conversations surrounding this incident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-1RM5t0Ys . I found it interesting
68 celestar : Dear Viscount, I am not sure your record of hull loss is correct or credible. Under A300, at least China Airlines lost 2 hull, hundreds are killed. On
69 Maverick623 : The problem they asked to hold for was probably a fuel pump or transfer valve indication, and were focusing on that when they were told they were ven
70 BoeingVista : No its not, Airfrance overran an A340 in canada with no fatalities, another A340 destroyed in colombo during civil war, another written of in testing
71 FlyingAY : celestar and BoeingVista, did these happen within 5 years of the EIS? I didn't think so...
72 HAWK21M : The snags on the B787 are nothing towards the new Technology used or Material Improvements on the type in comparism to the B777s......Then what is it
73 BoeingVista : Really? Look at the dates of introduction of the A340-600 and you will find two write offs in November 2007 first revenue service was August 2002 so
74 ASA : I saw the original 787 in question still parked next to BOS Terminal E last night ... any words on when it will be ready to depart?
75 RDH3E : However, that's not even close to the EIS of the A340 model line, which is FAR more relevant to this discussion. "Airbus delivered the first A340, a
76 BoeingVista : No, none of this is relevant to the discussion of a 787 fuel leak in Boston. Whats the point of looking at five year hull losses of aircraft introduc
77 RDH3E : The A340 is not from the 60's..... but I digress. I do not believe that thread of the discussion is relevant to the 787 anyways.[Edited 2013-01-10 09
78 Post contains links flood : It would appear so, as a JAL spokesman said "the cause of the fuel leak in Boston was a faulty valve". http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...pe=RSS&
79 s5daw : What would that mean during an ETOPS flight, 2 hours from the land?
80 Post contains links flood : Sorry, off topic but where is today's JAL BOS-NRT headed? http://fr24.com/JAL7 flightaware has her heading back on a NW tracking, don't know which is
81 Viscount724 : Yes it is correct. You didn't read my post. I said the data covered the FIRST 5 YEARS SINCE ENTRY INTO SERVICE. It was prompted by comments referring
82 Viscount724 : Qatar Airways has had no A340-600 hull losses.
83 s5daw : That is indeed strange. Flightaware and Flightstats have similar position logs. Last entry is as 8:33PM UTC, 180 knots at 22,600 feet. Tracking glitc
84 Post contains images kanban : Looks like it's going to Paine Field for spare parts question is are there passengers aboard? could they be going to Seatac and changing planes ?
85 BoeingGuy : It was prior to delivery so wasn't technically a QR airplane. Probably not considering that JL doesn't serve SEA.
86 Post contains images flood : lol... looks like it was just a glitch somewhere, aircraft back on expected routing. Sorry folks, as you were
87 Viscount724 : I'm still unaware of any A340-600 intended for QR involved in an accident prior to delivery. One was written off before delivery to EY (Etihad).
88 BoeingGuy : Okay, you win. It was EY. We were mistaken. Did IB have an A340-600 accident at UIO too? What are you referencing? That would be 120 minute ETOPS but
89 Post contains links Viscount724 : Yes, landing overrun at UIO in 2007. It was written off as the location made it too difficult to repair. That one was slightly beyond the first 5 yea
90 iowaman : This thread has ran its' course and has veered way off topic. I will archive this thread as the actual topic it was started for has been well covered
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