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Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?  
User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 428 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9013 times:
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It says that on Wikipedia that half of the said fleet will be gone in a few years. What will replace all this capacity? I hope they get some new A330s and 767s quick because the 789 is frankly too large and will arrive too late.

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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5948 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8827 times:

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
I hope they get some new A330s and 767s quick

Why would you replace an old 763 with an identical airplane? The 788 has a much lower operating cost.
And AA has no A330s on order, so as of today right now, that's not going to happen at all.
???


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8790 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):
Why would you replace an old 763 with an identical airplane?

A330 is not an identical airplane.

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
I hope they get some new A330s and 767s quick because the 789 is frankly too large and will arrive too late.

I've read somewhere that AA has arrangement with Boeing which allows them to give only around 18 months before first delivery to firm the order for the 787-9. I'm sure this order will be confirmed as soon as they are out of the bankruptcy protection.



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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1112 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8790 times:

They have some A330's that might be joining the fleet  

User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8425 times:
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But the question remains; what will replace all this capacity?

User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2298 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8381 times:

Quoting zhiao (Reply 4):

There's no question. AA has made their fleet plans well known, and going forward AA's fleet will consist of the 773, 772, 789, 738, A321 and A319. It will take a while to get there, but that is the plan. In the near term the 762s are being replaced by A321s in 2014. The 763 will be replaced by the 772 and 789. The 757s are being replaced by 738s and A321s. The MD-80s are being replaced by 738s and A319s.



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8335 times:

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
It says that on Wikipedia that half of the said fleet will be gone in a few years. What will replace all this capacity? I hope they get some new A330s and 767s quick because the 789 is frankly too large and will arrive too late.

In which Wikipedia article is this statement made, and what is the exact wording of the statement? I checked the Wikipedia entries on both American Airlines and the Boeing 767 but I couldn't find any specific reference to AA decreasing their 763 fleet in any particular time frame.



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8310 times:

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
It says that on Wikipedia that half of the said fleet will be gone in a few years. What will replace all this capacity? I hope they get some new A330s and 767s quick because the 789 is frankly too large and will arrive too late.

The 789 is the size of an A330-200, so what A330 are you recommending?

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User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8198 times:
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Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 5):
There's no question. AA has made their fleet plans well known, and going forward AA's fleet will consist of the 773, 772, 789, 738, A321 and A319. It will take a while to get there, but that is the plan. In the near term the 762s are being replaced by A321s in 2014. The 763 will be replaced by the 772 and 789. The 757s are being replaced by 738s and A321s. The MD-80s are being replaced by 738s and A319s.

That's a huge gap between the 738 and 789!


User currently offlinePDX88 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7836 times:

Quoting zhiao (Reply 8):
That's a huge gap between the 738 and 789!

The A321 sits in that gap pretty comfortably.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5948 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7677 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 2):
A330 is not an identical airplane.

Really? I had no clue.  
Perhaps I was referring to the OP's suggestion that American replace 767s with new 767s?


User currently offlineamerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4011 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7568 times:
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Quoting etops1 (Reply 3):
They have some A330's that might be joining the fleet

If AA and US merge, yes. All the A330s that would be phased in would be ex-US A330s.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 5):
In the near term the 762s are being replaced by A321s in 2014.

2016 at the latest, the 762s will have left the fleet. The 763s will be gone in the middle of the 20s. By then the 772 retirement will have begun.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 5):
The 757s are being replaced by 738s and A321s. The MD-80s are being replaced by 738s and A319s.

The 738s also replaced the 727s.



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6023 times:

Quoting american 767 (Reply 11):
By then the 772 retirement will have begun.

Does AA intend on replacing its retiring 772s with new 772s or will the type leave the fleet entirely?


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5985 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 12):
Quoting american 767 (Reply 11):
By then the 772 retirement will have begun.

Does AA intend on replacing its retiring 772s with new 772s or will the type leave the fleet entirely?

By then, Boeing will probably be producing new versions of the 777 like a "777NG" or "777 MAX" or whatever it will be called. So it won't be an exact replacement. It would like an airline replacing their 737-400s with 737-8 MAXs.


User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5739 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 12):
Does AA intend on replacing its retiring 772s with new 772s or will the type leave the fleet entirely?

They do have 772's still on the order books but I think we all know that those won't be delivered as 772s - probably converted to 77Ws or otherwise converted.

On the subject of the AA 763s, its true that half are slated to be retired in the near term. However, the rest of them are still relatively young - e.g. the youngest 763 was delivered in 2003. Given that AA has announced the remaining half will get a new business class product in the next 2 years - that part of the fleet could march on for ten more years or more.



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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2298 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 14):
They do have 772's still on the order books but I think we all know that those won't be delivered as 772s - probably converted to 77Ws or otherwise converted.

I think in the most recent filing with the court during bankruptcy proceedings it was noted that the remaining 5 772 orders have formally been swapped to 77Ws. I read that in the bankruptcy thread, I believe. However, the order page at Boeing.com still reflects those five aircraft as 772s. So who knows.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 2):
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):
Why would you replace an old 763 with an identical airplane?

A330 is not an identical airplane.

No, but the original post read as follows. I'm sure the reply was referring to the 767 reference, not the A330.

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
I hope they get some new A330s and 767s quick


User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1392 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 7):
The 789 is the size of an A330-200

The 789 at 206 ft long is near the same size as the A330-300 (210 ft) and 777-200 (209ft), the 788 at (186 ft) is near the same size as the A330-200 at (193ft) in length.



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5856 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 7):
The 789 is the size of an A330-200

Actually slightly larger than an A330-300 in typical seating configuration and near-identical in floor area. It's a big plane. I do wonder if they don't need some 788s as well.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3448 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 12):
Does AA intend on replacing its retiring 772s with new 772s or will the type leave the fleet entirely?

One possibility is that AA may reconfigure its older 772s to a high-density configuration and deploy them on some of the former AB6 routes which are very cargo-heavy.


User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 19):
One possibility is that AA may reconfigure its older 772s to a high-density configuration and deploy them on some of the former AB6 routes which are very cargo-heavy.

Actually, AA has already announced that all 772s will be refitted to a much higher density configuration, with a new business class product replacing the current offering of F/J.

As to where they are deployed, I guess we’ll find out soon enough.



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