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Student Pilot Crash-Lands, Losing Wheel (Video)  
User currently offlinepilotanthony From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6941 times:

A student pilot escaped unhurt after landing a plane that had lost a wheel shortly after take-off.

I was training in the same aircraft over in Melbourne, Florida

Amazing to see how the plane i have flown so much coped with that side load on landing!

http://news.sky.com/story/1035337/st...lot-crash-lands-after-losing-wheel


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User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6512 times:

Wow, that must have been something for him ... did a great job ... Wonder if he's done ...

User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5043 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5969 times:

It looked like (and sounded like) he left the engine with some power still on as he touched down. I think if he had switched off the engine upon touchdown the aircraft wouldn't have bounced around so much as it did.

Good landing though.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5938 times:
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Circled for five hours...think he can log cross country time? And does this count as a landing?  


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6658 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5885 times:

Every landing you can walk away from...

There is mention of an instructor and 120 hours of experience, so are we talking about IFR rating or something like that ?



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User currently onlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4988 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5864 times:

I remember when I was at that level of training, 5 hours of PIC was great! I wonder if he had to pay for it!  

What I find curious is why it veered to the left. It should have veered to the right. Looking at the nose-wheel, he was steering to the right. The only thing I can think of, is that he was applying a bootful of brake, (and why would he?), and with only one brake ....



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User currently offlinepilotanthony From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5752 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 5):

Thats an interesting point, maybe he thought it would stop the aircraft in the heat of the moment....



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13602 posts, RR: 61
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5627 times:
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Quoting longhauler (Reply 5):
What I find curious is why it veered to the left.

He probably applied full left-braking to compensate for what he thought would be a sharp pull to the right upon the right wing making contact with the runway. Apparently the pull was nowhere near what he anticipated.



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User currently offlineMothguy From Australia, joined May 2012, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

Quoting pilotanthony (Thread starter):
I was training in the same aircraft over in Melbourne, Florida

You sure about that? The aircraft has been in Oz since 1990. This incident took place at Mangalore, north of Melbourne - Australia.


User currently offlinePassedV1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 5):
What I find curious is why it veered to the left. It should have veered to the right. Looking at the nose-wheel, he was steering to the right. The only thing I can think of, is that he was applying a bootful of brake, (and why would he?), and with only one brake ....

Because as soon as the left main contacts there is a lot of friction on the Left Main and Zero Friction on the Right side. The rotation appears to accelerate as the airplane slows down because of the loss of rudder effectiveness as the airplane loses airspeed. Couple that with the fact that he has close full Left Aileron in to keep the right wing off the ground and the airplane goes Left.

[Edited 2013-01-09 20:48:01]

User currently onlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4988 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Quoting PassedV1 (Reply 9):
Because as soon as the left main contacts there is a lot of friction on the Left Main and Zero Friction on the Right side.

From the brake. Unless the wheel were damaged or there was bearing friction, there would have been little other drag.

The aerodynamic drag would have been virtually nil by the time the aircraft veered, as it only veered during its last few seconds of roll, and speed looked to be less than about 20 knots by that time.



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User currently offlinePassedV1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 10):
From the brake. Unless the wheel were damaged or there was bearing friction, there would have been little other drag.

The aerodynamic drag would have been virtually nil by the time the aircraft veered, as it only veered during its last few seconds of roll, and speed looked to be less than about 20 knots by that time.


After watching the video again, I think it is very plausible that he touched the brake at the end. I would expect him to go left holding the wing off as long as he did whether or not he touched the brake. There is friction from the wheel that is increasing as the wheel rotation decreases. How much isn't as important as the fact that there is a difference in drag between the left and the right. The nosewheel is probably skiding and not providing any turning force whatsoever. The rudder being held full right to counteract the full left aileron is losing effectiveness adding to the nose left tendency. If it were JUST this though, I would expect to be a more linear/gradual process than what is seen at the end of the video. So probably he touched the brake.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

So what happened if someone who is in training has an accident? Is he not allowed to get his license?


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User currently offlineBreninTW From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
So what happened if someone who is in training has an accident? Is he not allowed to get his license?

I doubt they'll be pinning this on "pilot error." From what I understand, the wheel fell off when the pilot took off -- he then burned fuel for five hours and performed a good emergency landing.

I think the pilot will be fine ... I'm fairly sure the same won't be able to be said about the last mechanic who worked on the wheel assembly.



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User currently offlinepilotanthony From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting Mothguy (Reply 8):

I never said, I trained in that exact aircraft did I? I trained in the Warrior  



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User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2008 times:
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Quoting pilotanthony (Thread starter):
I was training in the same aircraft over in Melbourne, Florida

Well you have to admit that what you said would make people think you trained in that exact aircraft....



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User currently offlines5daw From Slovenia, joined May 2011, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting pilotanthony (Thread starter):
I was training in the same aircraft over in Melbourne, Florida
Quoting pilotanthony (Reply 14):
I never said, I trained in that exact aircraft did I? I trained in the Warrior

Seems I don't understand English  


User currently offlinepilotanthony From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

i can see how people get confused, but never been to Australia in my life!


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User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Quoting pilotanthony (Thread starter):
I was training in the same aircraft over in Melbourne, Florida

Adding the word "type", training in the same type aircraft, would have eliminated confusion. Training "in the same aircraft" means to me the same airframe--that and only that very airplane.

Anyway, turned out to be a good landing.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 4):
Every landing you can walk away from...

Hmmm, come to think of it, do the regs say "Successful" landings. I don't recall seeing that in the US regs anyway. No time to check right now either.


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