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User currently offlineCaptCufflinks From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 96 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 19725 times:

Just breaking now on Sky News:

http://news.sky.com/story/1035431/bo...787-dreamliner-brake-problem-scare

Quote:

It was scheduled to fly from the Yamaguchi prefecture in western Japan to Tokyo's Haneda Airport.

But the domestic flight was grounded by Japan's ANA because brake parts to the rear left undercarriage needed replacing, a spokesman at Yamaguchi Ube Airport said.

An ANA spokeswoman said: "In the cockpit, an error message related to its brake system was displayed.

"The exact nature and the cause of the error message is not clear yet."

All 98 passengers on board were switched to another flight for Tokyo.

48 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 19596 times:

G´day

Next we get a new "breaking" thread here every time a stewardess... err - flight attendant drops the coffee kettle or in Asia more likely the tea kettle on a 787.  

Lord have mercy!


Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineCaptCufflinks From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 19548 times:

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 1):
Next we get a new "breaking" thread here every time a stewardess.

Yes it is all very alarmist at the moment.

Hey - if you don't want to be so grumpy about the whole thing, just read some of the comments at the bottom of the Sky News article - it's like airliners.net for toddlers! Some of them certainly made me smile.

Josh


User currently offlinetropical From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 19504 times:

Yes, I'm not sure the word 'scare' is really pertinent to this story. Still, not a good 48 hours for the 787  

User currently offlinechieft From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 19388 times:
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Possibly we can consolidate all the different issues-threads to one "B787 glitches" thread?


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 19016 times:

At this point, it's still possible that the brakes reached their service limit... with the information given, heck, we don't really know anything.
Or, it could be a legitimate fault. No doubt, those happen. Especially when you choose to electrify the brakes.....ugh.


User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18829 times:

German news website Spiegel Online reports "problems with the brake control computer" which could not be fixed "because of an unavailable spare part":

http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/...erie-beim-dreamliner-a-876555.html

They are using the title "A Series of Problems with Boeing's 'Dreamliner': Three Breakdowns in Three Days", by the way. Not a good press coverage in Europe...



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User currently offlineholzmann From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 18700 times:

Of course DER SPIEGEL is running such a series! The Germans have every reason to promote the Boeing 787 as a failure. Because with it, DER SPIEGEL has more opportunity to label the US as a failure, especially US manufacturing, and at the same time promote a European (largely German) product. Slamming the US and lifting up German products are the two things DER SPIEGEL does best.

User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 18566 times:

Quoting holzmann (Reply 7):
Slamming the US and lifting up German products are the two things DER SPIEGEL does best.

Yes, sure. Such a title could only be explained by Der Spiegel's well-known rabid pro-Airbus stance. After all, they once dedicated an entire cover story to the A380:


(From http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-21114296.html)

 



[Edited 2013-01-09 05:46:42]


Am I cured? Slept 5 hours on last long-haul flight...
User currently offlineFlyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 18459 times:

Quoting holzmann (Reply 7):
Of course DER SPIEGEL is running such a series! The Germans have every reason to promote the Boeing 787 as a failure.

You really do not know Der Spiegel that well? They are famous for their anti-Airbus agenda. Would you think that American media would have every reason to promote any Airbus product as a failure? I didn't think so.


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 18013 times:

If the aircraft is continually failing then people need to know about it. I won't fly it for 6 months after all these glitches are fixed.

There are very serious safety problems and unfortunately for Boeing and its new baby the travelling public need to make informed choices. That is the essence of capitalism itself.


User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17880 times:

Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 6):
Three Breakdowns in Three Days

How many 320s and 737s have gone tech in the last 3 days? (rhetorical)



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9545 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17674 times:

Quoting CaptCufflinks (Reply 2):
just read some of the comments at the bottom of the Sky News article - it's like airliners.net for toddlers! Some of them certainly made me smile.

   One genius has it sussed: all the 787 issues are due to the carbon-fibre construction.   


User currently offlinejayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1040 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17514 times:

Seriously how many flights were canceled or delayed yesterday do to braking issues where are the press releases for those flights? Its ridiculous every problem that a 787 has does not need to be discussed as though it were a serious issue.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31436 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17492 times:
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I wonder if this is similar to the braking issue one of the new LOT birds is reported to have experienced?

User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17493 times:

So an airplane has a routine mechanical problem which cannot be fixed until they get the part. Someone needs to explain to me why this is newsworthy.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31436 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17434 times:
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Quoting bohica (Reply 15):
Someone needs to explain to me why this is newsworthy.

Because it happened to a 787.

That being said, this forum piled on the A380 during it's early days and you can be sure every glitch on the A350 will have it's own thread, as well.

God help us when the neo and MAX EIS. The sheer number of airframes will mean this forum will be nothing but glitch reports.   


User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17393 times:

I'm not surprised that UBJ airport doesn't have parts there to fix the problem - it's a 2-gate outpost that only has a few HND flights daily. I use it annually. Had this issue occurred at HND I doubt it would made the news at all and would have been quietly dealt with and fixed.

User currently offlineCaptCufflinks From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17190 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 15):
Someone needs to explain to me why this is newsworthy.

Because three 787 malfunctions in three days gives them poetic license to write whatever they so wish?

Because it's a slow news day?

Both?

I put it up on the forum because it had not yet been discussed, and let's face it, if I hadn't then someone else would have.


User currently offlinemfe777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16962 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 10):
If the aircraft is continually failing then people need to know about it. I won't fly it for 6 months after all these glitches are fixed.

There are very serious safety problems and unfortunately for Boeing and its new baby the travelling public need to make informed choices. That is the essence of capitalism itself.

Are you not flying the A380 as well? I ask because it has even more serious issues that have not been fixed on many aircraft yet, even after being in service for 6 years. Wing cracks, Engine fires and explosions. But.... a 787 needs a brake repaired, let's ban them from service.


User currently offlineKC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16730 times:

Bigger problem: 98 people on board? That flight was going to lose money anyway.

User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2976 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16697 times:

Quoting mfe777 (Reply 19):
I ask because it has even more serious issues that have not been fixed on many aircraft yet, even after being in service for 6 years. Wing cracks, Engine fires and explosions.

Engine fires and explosions? In plural? Show us your data, please. As for the wing cracks, they pose no safety risk whatsoever.

In any case, I don't think going the "and you even more" route is particularly useful. Here we are discussing the 787. There have been many threads about the A380 issues. And rightly so.



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User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5126 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16649 times:

Guys... This is totally normal! Nothing big here. Its a new airplane! Hey! If I bought a new car... And it burst into flames... And the dealer and car maker told me that it was normal for a new car... I would totally understand! If the car started leaking gas, had a brake problem, and smoking arc electrical problems as well... I would understand! Its totally normal for a new car!

Hey, I will give Boeing credit here. It is indeed a new plane. We should expect these kinds of issues on a new plane. Heck, the Comet had some issues when it started flying too. And look, they fixed those problems, and the plane had a good history afterwards!



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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9827 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16612 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 10):
If the aircraft is continually failing then people need to know about it. I won't fly it for 6 months after all these glitches are fixed.

There are very serious safety problems and unfortunately for Boeing and its new baby the travelling public need to make informed choices. That is the essence of capitalism itself.

A flight being cancelled due to a brake change is not new. Typically brakes last about 2000 flights, but from time to time they need replacing before then and flights get canceled if there are not spare parts. Anyone who flies knows that brakes, tires, etc all need occasional changing and sometimes if the part is not in stock a flight gets canceled.

I can't think of a more routine maintenance event other than a tire change. Next we will see a news article "dreamliner unsafe because of flat tire caused by airplane running over debris"



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 17070 times:

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 21):
Bigger problem: 98 people on board? That flight was going to lose money anyway.

Maybe they cancelled it to save money 
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
Quoting bohica (Reply 15):
Someone needs to explain to me why this is newsworthy.

Because it happened to a 787.

Exactly, only because of that. Its like with the A380 - every little problem is made ten times bigger by the media than if would be a 777.


25 hb88 : rotfl - knowing the actual issues with the A380, I am more than happy to fly on the A380 (and I have repeatedly). Do you actually *know* anything abo
26 F9animal : Think about it for a second. How can you compare the 787 or A380 to a 777? The 777 is a proven airplane. The 787 has very few aircraft in service. St
27 Post contains images phxa340 : I never said that , you quoted the wrong person. But thanks for the lecture
28 RussianJet : The 787 was massively hyped, hugely late, long-awaited, then finally hailed as a huge leap forward in civil aerospace on entering service with an awfu
29 mfe777 : Don't lecture me. You don't know me and you never will. I never said that the A380 was unsafe. I merely was pointing out how foolish and petty babybu
30 spacecadet : Planes are not like cars, you don't go flying around until the check engine light comes on or your brakes start squeaking. Every part on an airplane
31 Post contains images N14AZ : I can assure you it's not that way. In general, Boeing has a good reputation in the German press. And even our German journalists are not that stupid
32 ATA L1011 : This is true.....
33 ABpositive : What you need to take into account though is that statistically speaking there are by far more 320s and 737s out there. Those are much more mature pr
34 pygmalion : There are 46+ 787 in service. Its not like there are only a handful flying around. An anti skid controller or a brake controller box going bad and req
35 737tdi : Aircraft brakes are "on condition only". I.E. Leaking, worn, excessive grabbing etc.. Aircraft brake Inspections are on a "scheduled maintenance inte
36 Post contains images KC135Hydraulics : Strange. I work on two aircraft that both have mechanical linkages/cables going to the respective brake control valves/metering valves/etc etc. One's
37 737tdi : Doesn't it all fall back on "what you call modern?" The 737NG is certainly not a modern design but is modern just due to the fact they are still bein
38 Post contains images glideslope : LOL, even better. "Aircraft Displays Failure Warning on Systems Status." Part to be flown in next day. PAX put on different frame, and reached destin
39 skinnerde : in fact spiegel also bashes the a380 whenever possible...so not a us manufacturer problem. i always get angry when i read an aviation related news th
40 Post contains images hb88 : Oops, sorry. Hmm, how did that happen...
41 hb88 : You seemed uninformed in relation to your comparison with the A380, so I was pointing out some useful information. I don't need to know you, I just r
42 Stitch : I wouldn't board either. *shrug*
43 RussianJet : Hehe. I'm guessing that a hypothetical gun was being held to the head and a choice between the two was unavoidable. But yes, ideally I'd give both of
44 Post contains images Stitch : In that case, since an A380 has experienced an unconfined disk failure and a 787 has not experienced an inflight cabin fire, I'd take the 787.
45 UALWN : Well, I'd rather avoid any of those situations. However, since the A380 has indeed had an unconfined disk failure resulting in very substantial damag
46 mfe777 : There has never been a cabin fire in the 787, on the ground or in-flight. Your comparison is like asking whether you want to be on Swissair 111 or QF
47 PITingres : 50 inservice frames, several operating for more than a year, with something on the order of 40,000 revenue flight hours? (That's my off-the-cuff esti
48 pygmalion : press release from Boeing yesterday said 50,000 hours and averaging 150 flights a day.
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