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Gulf Air Cuts More Routes And Staff  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 10226 times:

Well seemingly ever shrinking airline is having its network trimmed even further along with 800 jobs.

Service to Colombo, Dhaka and Kathmandu is being eliminated. CMB cut is effective Feb 10th, DAC Mar 4, and KTM on Mar 24th.

Additionally company has informed its unions that staff cuts of 800 are planned, however union fears it may run as high as 1,800.

Story:
http://www.aircargoworld.com/Air-Car...1/gulf-air-shrinks-further/0911635
and
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?storyid=345148

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User currently offlineSPaceshipDC10 From Australia, joined Jan 2013, 1393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 10217 times:

How long before Gulf Air becomes history ?


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User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 10167 times:

...and why the heck is Gulf Air losing ground the carriers like Etihad, Emirates and Qatar?

User currently offlineSPaceshipDC10 From Australia, joined Jan 2013, 1393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 10110 times:

Quoting Noise (Reply 2):
...and why the heck is Gulf Air losing ground the carriers like Etihad, Emirates and Qatar?

Somehow, that situation reminds me what happened with Pan Am and TWA but in the Persian Gulf region.



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User currently offlinehhslax2 From Bahrain, joined Jan 2012, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 9779 times:

Quoting Noise (Reply 2):
...and why the heck is Gulf Air losing ground the carriers like Etihad, Emirates and Qatar?

Product and route map hurt the ability to market connecting traffic compared to the major gulf carriers. The people that come here for vacation can fly direct on other airlines that are cheaper and/or offer them benefits on their choice of frequent flyer program. I try to fly EY when possible. Most of my coworkers fly EY or QR, except one that likes WY.


User currently offlineSV777 From Saudi Arabia, joined Apr 2010, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 9697 times:

Strange, they just won a license to operate inside Saudi Arabia along side with Qatari, I thought they would be hiring and adding to the fleet more airplanes!

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 9688 times:

In the aviation world you cannot shrink yourself into profitability. Generally (over the long term) it must be grow or die.


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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9251 times:

But Gulf Air has been "dying" for years. Back in 2002 when I was doing my initial training for Qatar Airways I remember the "chief" almost falling into hysterical laughing when someone suggested Gulf Air was competition to QR, his reply was that Gulf Air wouldn't exist in a years time, well he was wrong! But wonder how long for?


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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 1977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 8902 times:
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Quoting tonystan (Reply 7):
But Gulf Air has been "dying" for years. Back in 2002 when I was doing my initial training for Qatar Airways I remember the "chief" almost falling into hysterical laughing when someone suggested Gulf Air was competition to QR, his reply was that Gulf Air wouldn't exist in a years time, well he was wrong! But wonder how long for?
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 6):
In the aviation world you cannot shrink yourself into profitability. Generally (over the long term) it must be grow or die.

All excellent points... I have lived in the Gulf Region for several years. I have never flown Gulf Air. They need to do something and quick, or it'll be all over.

The Persian Gulf is absolutely saturated with airlines. And it's only getting worse. At some point something has to give. Is RAK Air still in business (Ras Al Khaimah UAE) ? Isn't their an airline planning on flying to Fujeirah?

It should be remembered that airlines can linger on and on for many years.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 8870 times:

As long as it is the vanity project of a government (read: Bahrain), I don't see it going away entirely. Only in regulated economies with gov't intervention limited (e.g. Hungary or the US) we will see airlines dying a natural death. Even in the US, the inclination is to keep them afloat and find them new owners.

User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 674 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8489 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Service to Colombo, Dhaka and Kathmandu is being eliminated. CMB cut is effective Feb 10th, DAC Mar 4, and KTM on Mar 24th.

Heck - I feel lucky now!!! I am flying on AA-GF tomorrow BOS-LHR-BAH-DAC ... and returning in a week. I hope atleast these flights will fly on time and I'll have memories to share!  

But too bad about the airline - and DAC losing another service. Only shows how EK/EY/QR are eating away others' dinner  duck 

[Edited 2013-01-10 10:16:21]

User currently offlinemac3xx From France, joined Mar 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8416 times:

Could someone refresh my memory ?
If I remember well gulf air was created as a shared airline with support of the major countries around Barhain (including Qatar). Today, old freinds in the vicinity goes on their own and remove their nuts from the basket. So what is the future with so big ones (QR,EK....) around ?



mac3xx
User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 8282 times:

I wonder what's the logic of the Bahraini government to keep both Gulf Air and Bahrain Air.

My 0.02 is that it should be reestructured as a regional carrier, with one single type to serve markets with substantial O&D from BAH (Gulf, Levant, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, India, Pakistan) and then try to get some connections. Basically an Air Arabia in Bahrain.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 8170 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 9):
As long as it is the vanity project of a government (read: Bahrain), I don't see it going away entirely.

   GF indeed has stuck around this long thanks to repeated government bail outs.

However I think the issue is coming to a head finally as even the Bahrani government realizes the funding cant go on forever and major overhaul is needed.

However GF is definitely swimming against the tide. The carrier continues to lose markets to competitors and the losses mount.

Also does not help the carrier does not have much in the way of leadership these days losing yet another CEO.
Gulf Air CEO Quits (by LAXintl Nov 29 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting mac3xx (Reply 11):
Could someone refresh my memory ?
If I remember well gulf air was created as a shared airline with support of the major countries around Barhain (including Qatar). Today, old freinds in the vicinity goes on their own and remove their nuts from the basket. So what is the future with so big ones (QR,EK....) around ?

Company was formed by BOAC in the 1950s and subsequently became the national airline for Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Qatar, and Oman.

However over the years one by one the states withdrew their participation in the carrier as they launched their own airlines.

With the withdrawal of its these national share holders the carrier lost one hub and market after another having to shrink with its remaining network until today where it left with solely its Bahrain base.

At one time Gulf Air was the premier (and truly luxury) airline in the region.



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User currently offlinehigherflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7831 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
the national airline for Abu Dhabi

It was actually the national airline of the UAE. Dubai was upset with some significant schedule changes in the mid-1980's and withdrew to startup Emirates.


User currently offlinemac3xx From France, joined Mar 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7533 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Company was formed by BOAC in the 1950s and subsequently became the national airline for Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Qatar, and Oman.............

Thanks "LAXintl", some pieces of the puzzle were missing to me.



mac3xx
User currently offlineyowza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week ago) and read 7216 times:

Quoting SV777 (Reply 5):

Strange, they just won a license to operate inside Saudi Arabia along side with Qatari, I thought they would be hiring and adding to the fleet more airplanes!

They will likely use the slack generated by cutting CMB, DAC and KTM to put metal into KSA operations.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 8):
I have never flown Gulf Air. They need to do something and quick, or it'll be all over.

This is going to sound dumb but I really feel that stuff started going pear shaped when they got rid of their old iconic livery.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 12):

I wonder what's the logic of the Bahraini government to keep both Gulf Air and Bahrain Air.

If you've been watching the news recently you'll know that the government/ruler of Bahrain has bigger fish to fry... like not being toppled  
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Colombo, Dhaka and Kathmandu

All low yield, low premium cabin destinations. Perhaps they are going to use these aircraft to spool up activities in the KSA?

Cheers,
YOWza



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week ago) and read 7015 times:

Quoting higherflyer (Reply 14):
It was actually the national airline of the UAE. Dubai was upset with some significant schedule changes in the mid-1980's and withdrew to startup Emirates.

Actually no - read Gulf Air's own history website.

http://www.gulfair.com/English/aboutgulfair/Pages/History.aspx

1973:
Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Oman, and Qatar governments purchase BOAC's shares.

1974:
The Foundation Treaty is signed on 1 January and the Gulf Aviation Company becomes Gulf Air, the national carrier of the four states.



Also for the record Dubai did not even have an airfield when the airline was formed. Matter of fact Dubai did not have much of anything back then. First tiny airport served with DC-3 did not come into being till 1960.
Also the UAE did not come into existence itself until 1971, and it is 7 separate states with GF being owned by 1 of the 7.

Yes GF at one time was indeed the largest airline at Dubai, but it was not because the government had ownership in it.
GF cut back some of its Dubai flying as it worked to shift away from being a p2p airline to focusing on creating proper hubs in Bahrain, Abu Dhabi and Muscat which came into fashion in the 1980s.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week ago) and read 6918 times:

Quoting yowza (Reply 16):
They will likely use the slack generated by cutting CMB, DAC and KTM to put metal into KSA operations.

If that was the case, why are they getting rid of 800-1,800 staff also?

About 440 are foreign crew members, which you would think they would need if replacement flying is around the corner.



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User currently offlineFerminios From Canada, joined Apr 2011, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6474 times:

Quoting yowza (Reply 16):
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 12):

I wonder what's the logic of the Bahraini government to keep both Gulf Air and Bahrain Air.

If you've been watching the news recently you'll know that the government/ruler of Bahrain has bigger fish to fry... like not being toppled  

Except the Bahraini government has very little to do with Bahrain Air since it's privately owned. Sure they could do something like Oman did with nationalizing WY (the goverment owned ~33% until 2007) if the owners are willing to cooperate, but I think that putting GF into bankruptcy will be too much loss of face for the government.

Florian  


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
Also for the record Dubai did not even have an airfield when the airline was formed. Matter of fact Dubai did not have much of anything back then. First tiny airport served with DC-3 did not come into being till 1960.

DXB airport 1960.



And mid-'70s.



User currently offlinepeterinlisbon From Portugal, joined Jan 2006, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5968 times:

I flew to India on Gulf Air about 15 years ago and I thought it was a great airline. Very comfortable seats and great service, the aircraft was a brand new A330. The livery was also very special. In those days I loved flying so much I chose the routing with the most stops, so I went Heathrow-Bahrain-Muscat-Bombay and back Delhi-Muscat-Abu Dhabi-Heathrow. I remember thinking it was strange that this airline was shared between Oman, Abu Dhabi and Bahrain and the routings for connecting flights made a lot of stops. It surpises me to see how this airline has declined over the years, whilst Etihad, Emirates and Qatar have taken off so spectacularly. I'd have thought they all had the same opportunity to take advantage of Europe-Asia traffic, and Gulf Air had a head start.

User currently offlineCF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5603 times:

IMHO, the Gulf Air livery is on of the best ever designed. Of course, this is not enough to maintain a successful business model.

I gather they have a rather schizoid identity. On the one hand, the A340s were fitted with very luxurious First Class cabins, and circa 2005 the airline seemed to be aiming for preferred carrier status. OTOH, various trip reports from that period, or later, give the impression that on many routes they were rather prosaic - bland old fashioned cabin furnishings - with indifferent inflight service, even in First. If the public does not perceive a certain consistency in the travel experience, I can't imagine maintaining long-term viability.

To end on a positive note, let's not forget their brief fling with the 777-300s - two of them leased from Jet Airways and painted in full falcon colors:


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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5170 times:
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I was shocked when I read that on airlineroute.

These were 3 key regional routes. In that case, I have the feeling that it's rather FlyDubai and Air Arabia that GF is competing with and not QR/EK/EY.

What are their loads to/from Europe at the moment ? They only maintained CDG-FRA-CPH and LHR IIAC ?



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User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

Quoting Ferminios (Reply 19):
Except the Bahraini government has very little to do with Bahrain Air since it's privately owned. Sure they could do something like Oman did with nationalizing WY (the goverment owned ~33% until 2007) if the owners are willing to cooperate, but I think that putting GF into bankruptcy will be too much loss of face for the government.

Florian

Except that in this case you are talking about a Gulf monarchy ruled by one family happy to control everything in that place (in a tiny state the size of Singapore with roughly 1 million people) and the Chairman of that company casually happens to be part of the Royal Family.


25 LAXintl : Copenhagen was cancelled per announcement earlier. I think the last flight is early Feb. Same with Rome it is also being dropped this month. Only rem
26 OA260 : Sadly GF have been going from bad to worse for over a decade. My last flight with them in J was nice but an off duty pilot sitting next to me said tha
27 Post contains images VCy : And LCA
28 Post contains images dalce : AFAIK the E-jets lease contracts are not being extended, and those birds will return to the lessor end of the month. Somehow my guts say that a carpen
29 AsoRock : It's sad, but Gulf Air appears to be a zombie airline, and may continue as such for a while before the government takes drastic action. As QR's boss s
30 Post contains images yowza : Well yes and no. If the flying that is just around the corner is domestic KSA flying I suspect they would need Arabic speakers who are willing to be
31 LAXintl : For a sign of how skimpy the GF network has become, on its European service both FRA and CDG will be served by only the A320 with 7 frequencies each f
32 bastew : BAH-CDG/FRA on an A320?? They might as well not even bother really! Unless they have some long haul configured A320's?
33 MCO2BRS : I traveled with GF for the first time back in November LHR-BAH-MCT-BAH-LHR and I have to say the product and service left a lot to be desired. I'm not
34 Post contains images BasilFawlty : They have actually. 14J96Y instead of 16J120Y like on the rest of the A320's
35 higherflyer : Actually, yes. I lived in the Gulf throughout the 70's, 80's and 90's and have been a very frequent visitor over the past 10+ years. I saw firsthand
36 nrt1011 : This is certainly impacted by bad management decision making, poor route planning and lack of solid Marketing. Someone mentioned this is becoming ende
37 LAXintl : Please find me a reference that the Emirate of Dubai was an owner of GF. Having done legal work for GF in the past, no where has Dubai's previous owne
38 LAXintl : Using LexisNexis search I came up with this late 1984 story about start up of Emirates; Emirate Airlines, the recently launched Dubai carrier, said Pa
39 Post contains links LAXintl : Gulf Air will launch (another) major cost-cutting plan, this one focused increasingly on regional services. GF says its network would be realigned “
40 Post contains links LAXintl : GF unions have been briefed on the companies latest plans. They say 1,266 staff members will be made redundant as part of the restructuring. Exact bre
41 IAH59 : Why is Gulf Air dying?
42 Post contains links LAXintl : According to this story, the E190s will be phased out. http://atwonline.com/airline-finance...-one-third-restructuring-plan-0121 =
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