EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 5489 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 17239 times:
All these hugh numbers for new NB-airplanes from Air Asia, Lion Air, Ryanair, Easyjet, etc, etc, etc. We are almost getting used to them but 10 years ago that number would have made huge waves in the aviation world. Now we are just picking it up here on A-net. Times do change.
Maybe if FR wants the the aircraft delivered in 2019-2020, however they want them in 2015-2017. Currently there are 2000 NGs still to be delivered (4 years of production). Moreover 2012 has seen the highest number of NG orders ever, so I guess it will be pretty hard to convincw Boeing to give them a bargain price again...
bueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14919 times:
Quoting Chiad (Reply 3): I don't know if they are good for anyone, including air framers, employees nor passenger
It's a good thing. Good for the jobs market, good for employees because expansion = demand, good for Boeing (as long as they don't sell them at silly prices again), and good for passengers who want to fly with them. If you don't want to then it doesn't affect you. A big order like this in Europe is a win-win-win, hopefully we'll see it appear soon.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4466 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14897 times:
Quoting PH-BFA (Reply 14): Currently there are 2000 NGs still to be delivered (4 years of production).
That's not a problem at all, Boeing will be delighted to get more NG orders to bridge the 2015-2018 gap. If you look at the orderbook, there are some soft orders, like 46 737-700s for Aviation Capital Group ACG and 127 700s for Southwest, probably also some of the 75 for ALC (Air Lease Corporation), no way they will (all) be built, some will eventually be converted to later MAX orders. Same way that United is quietly converting their old 700/900 orders to later MAX-es.
Really, there are still 261 open 737-700 orders but seeing how unpopular the aircraft was in the last 2 years, my bet is that there will only be 20 more built of these at the most, not 261.
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L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5832 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13376 times:
This is the usual FR manipulation of the media, which have either too short attention span or are just plain stupid enough to play along. "Boeing have plenty of availability in the order book," Mr O'leary said. "We are in the fairly early stages of talks to see if we can reach an agreement on price."
So basically nothing new, they have been at this early stage for what, 2 years? Airbus told them to shove it, they do not want to be used as a leverage against Boeing and Boeing does not want to be "raped" again.
Other thean the usual Goebbelesque propaganda by the O'Clown himself about supposedly being "inundated" by request from airports to deal with his low-class airline and taking cheap shots at SAS and LOT... what REALLY new is there to report?
Nowhere did that article say they ordered the Max. The article mentions the 737-800 totaling to 300 planes, and a delivery timeframe (2015-2017) when the Max is introduced, but the article doesn't say that they went with the Max.
Read the article, please.
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SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7383 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13022 times:
Quoting airboe (Reply 10): And that makes a lot of sense to me, - BCA need to fill the orderbook to bridge the production until the MAX is up and running out of the doors.
From the way the current order book looks, and the way that airlines seem to be seeking new planes that they can get soon, I doubt that Boeing will have to submit to any more "raping" to keep the assembly lines running, unless the whole world economy tanks (a really definite possibility), in which case everyone will be in trouble and all bets will be off. According to what I have read, the issue holding up a deal between MOL and Boeing has not been price but MOL's right to resell the aircraft. I recall MOL making a statement in the past that they agreed on price but Boeing was insisting that Ryanair could not resell the aircraft before a certain time, and MOL was objecting. The article says nothing about that.
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: Lion Air has ordered a total of 408 NG/MAX planes. They have already recieved 79 of them. Beginning in Sept 2011, they began taking them at a rate of
: I see only about 260 orders for the NG in 2012 - the rest was for the MAX! They had more than 500 in 2010 and 475 in 2011...
: For all the fears that Boeing might or might not get "raped" again, it is worth remembering that Boeing and Ryanair did agree to a price the last time
: Where the heck do they get all those pilots from? 200 aircraft are easily 1000 pilots!
: And ten years on what was once "rape" is now "foreplay" - as in just about anyone ordering a score or more 737NGs can expect 50% off the list price.
: Not quite sure who should I feel more sorry for ... Pax or Boeing[Edited 2013-01-10 11:05:51]
: The article makes it clear that NO order has been placed.
: When the last of the current order was delivered, I wondered what the FR plan would be. They have gone from 2(ish) new 738s per month to zero so the a
: FR can easily hire 1,000 pilots over a few years if they want. There are enough prospective/unemployed/student pilots to fill the void. FR's a good a
: A win-win order, better for Boeing if they were later 738s though... I have to agree that FR went for early delivery. Later delivery would have great
: Do they really need 200 more aircraft? The current age of the 737-800s must be about 5 years old. Many are parked in the winter due to lack of demand/