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200 More B737s For Ryanair?  
User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 839 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 16690 times:

Being reported that RYR are talking to Boeing about 200 more B737s

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...ng-for-200-new-planes-3347205.html

54 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAvi8r747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16677 times:

Good news for the MAX!


It's an entirely different kind of flying; all together!
User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4805 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16672 times:
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All these hugh numbers for new NB-airplanes from Air Asia, Lion Air, Ryanair, Easyjet, etc, etc, etc. We are almost getting used to them but 10 years ago that number would have made huge waves in the aviation world. Now we are just picking it up here on A-net. Times do change.  

User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16629 times:

Quoting Avi8r747 (Reply 1):
Good news for the MAX!

Well ... remember it's Ryanair.
I don't know if they are good for anyone, including air framers, employees nor passenger
Anyway ... Boeing certainly wont be "raped" again .. or will they?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31123 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16300 times:
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Boeing and Ryanair have been talking for years about a 200 frame order, so stands to reason they'll eventually come to an agreement and sign the deal.

User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16278 times:

Guess that " Old dog" isn't so bad after all!!

User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16240 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 3):
Well ... remember it's Ryanair.

At least with Ryanair Boeing can depend on them taking up their frames. This as opposed to Lion Air, where I'm not quite as optimistic  

But I guess both OEMs will be in the same boat, to some extent.

From the article: "as the low-cost airline's fleet is poised to reach 300 Boeing 737-800 jets later this year."

Their website indicates 275 in the fleet. Didn't they recently take delivery of their last aircraft? I was under the impression all their frames were on direct order, rather than leased.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 2):
All these hugh numbers for new NB-airplanes from Air Asia, Lion Air, Ryanair, Easyjet, etc, etc,

It's amazing to think NEO and MAX are already pushing a combined 3000 firm orders. Didn't take long. But I would really like to see is the first African airline place an order for either one.


User currently offlineAvi8r747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16143 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 3):

you know, I thought of that just after I posted that   



It's an entirely different kind of flying; all together!
User currently offlinePH-BFA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15975 times:

With more than 3000(!!) 737's (NG and MAX) in its backlog and no suitable alternatives, Boeing will have a good laugh this time...

User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15936 times:

Agree that Boeing is more in the driver's seat with this potential order than before. It will mean higher unit prices for FR and MOL may bitch and whine privately (let's hope publicly also  ).

Quoting flood (Reply 6):
Their website indicates 275 in the fleet.

FR currently operates 305 738's. 350 were ordered. All delivered. 45 have left the FR fleet.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineairboe From San Marino, joined Jan 2011, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 15487 times:

Hi

Delivery in 2015/16/17 - so it is not the MAX.

And that makes a lot of sense to me, - BCA need to fill the orderbook to bridge the production until the MAX is up and running out of the doors.

I am sure BCA not will be raped again by MOL (Who would like to be???   ) , but a fair and reasonable price could be a win-win for both.

KR



keep it free of the propellers
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 15479 times:

Huge Order.....Seems like Boeing has their reliable customers......


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 382 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 15400 times:

Boeing has about 1000 slots to fill for the NG until the MAX takes over full production in 2020 maybe - so I guess Ryanait will (again) get a good pricing level for these aircraft.

User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 15281 times:

Guys, we are talking about Ryanair here!

I believe it when I see it.   



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User currently offlinePH-BFA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14755 times:

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 12):

Maybe if FR wants the the aircraft delivered in 2019-2020, however they want them in 2015-2017. Currently there are 2000 NGs still to be delivered (4 years of production). Moreover 2012 has seen the highest number of NG orders ever, so I guess it will be pretty hard to convincw Boeing to give them a bargain price again...


User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14352 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 3):
I don't know if they are good for anyone, including air framers, employees nor passenger

It's a good thing. Good for the jobs market, good for employees because expansion = demand, good for Boeing (as long as they don't sell them at silly prices again), and good for passengers who want to fly with them. If you don't want to then it doesn't affect you. A big order like this in Europe is a win-win-win, hopefully we'll see it appear soon.



Roger roger, what's our vector, victor?
User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4342 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14330 times:

Quoting PH-BFA (Reply 14):
Currently there are 2000 NGs still to be delivered (4 years of production).

That's not a problem at all, Boeing will be delighted to get more NG orders to bridge the 2015-2018 gap. If you look at the orderbook, there are some soft orders, like 46 737-700s for Aviation Capital Group ACG and 127 700s for Southwest, probably also some of the 75 for ALC (Air Lease Corporation), no way they will (all) be built, some will eventually be converted to later MAX orders. Same way that United is quietly converting their old 700/900 orders to later MAX-es.
Really, there are still 261 open 737-700 orders but seeing how unpopular the aircraft was in the last 2 years, my bet is that there will only be 20 more built of these at the most, not 261.



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineUnited885 From Germany, joined Apr 2011, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14257 times:

Probably they will use them to replace their first 737´s. As I remember, they are from 2002. so they would have an age of about at least 13 years when the 200 frames will be delivered from 2015.


I haven´t been everywhere, but it´s on my list.
User currently offlineSeJoWa From United States of America, joined May 2006, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13967 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 13):
Guys, we are talking about Ryanair here!

I believe it when I see it.

You'll have to pay a fee for that!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13932 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 13):
Guys, we are talking about Ryanair here!

I believe it when I see it.

Any reason for the doubt.



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12906 times:

They like to buy cheap.

I can see them taking a lot of thr very last B737NGs off the line.


User currently offlinedavidho1985 From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2012, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12840 times:
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Any Boeing will not need to worry about Ryanair dumping their 737 which affect the price that Boeing can quote to other airlines anymore.

User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12809 times:

This is the usual FR manipulation of the media, which have either too short attention span or are just plain stupid enough to play along.
"Boeing have plenty of availability in the order book," Mr O'leary said. "We are in the fairly early stages of talks to see if we can reach an agreement on price."
So basically nothing new, they have been at this early stage for what, 2 years? Airbus told them to shove it, they do not want to be used as a leverage against Boeing and Boeing does not want to be "raped" again.
Other thean the usual Goebbelesque propaganda by the O'Clown himself about supposedly being "inundated" by request from airports to deal with his low-class airline and taking cheap shots at SAS and LOT... what REALLY new is there to report?

[Edited 2013-01-10 05:22:16]

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12775 times:

Quoting Avi8r747 (Reply 1):
Good news for the MAX!

Nowhere did that article say they ordered the Max. The article mentions the 737-800 totaling to 300 planes, and a delivery timeframe (2015-2017) when the Max is introduced, but the article doesn't say that they went with the Max.

Read the article, please.



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6961 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12455 times:

Quoting airboe (Reply 10):
And that makes a lot of sense to me, - BCA need to fill the orderbook to bridge the production until the MAX is up and running out of the doors.

From the way the current order book looks, and the way that airlines seem to be seeking new planes that they can get soon, I doubt that Boeing will have to submit to any more "raping" to keep the assembly lines running, unless the whole world economy tanks (a really definite possibility), in which case everyone will be in trouble and all bets will be off. According to what I have read, the issue holding up a deal between MOL and Boeing has not been price but MOL's right to resell the aircraft. I recall MOL making a statement in the past that they agreed on price but Boeing was insisting that Ryanair could not resell the aircraft before a certain time, and MOL was objecting. The article says nothing about that.



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25 odwyerpw : Lion Air has ordered a total of 408 NG/MAX planes. They have already recieved 79 of them. Beginning in Sept 2011, they began taking them at a rate of
26 sirtoby : I see only about 260 orders for the NG in 2012 - the rest was for the MAX! They had more than 500 in 2010 and 475 in 2011...
27 blueflyer : For all the fears that Boeing might or might not get "raped" again, it is worth remembering that Boeing and Ryanair did agree to a price the last time
28 Semaex : Where the heck do they get all those pilots from? 200 aircraft are easily 1000 pilots!
29 Stitch : And ten years on what was once "rape" is now "foreplay" - as in just about anyone ordering a score or more 737NGs can expect 50% off the list price.
30 ely747 : Not quite sure who should I feel more sorry for ... Pax or Boeing[Edited 2013-01-10 11:05:51]
31 scbriml : The article makes it clear that NO order has been placed.
32 GCT64 : When the last of the current order was delivered, I wondered what the FR plan would be. They have gone from 2(ish) new 738s per month to zero so the a
33 bueb0g : FR can easily hire 1,000 pilots over a few years if they want. There are enough prospective/unemployed/student pilots to fill the void. FR's a good a
34 Post contains images lightsaber : A win-win order, better for Boeing if they were later 738s though... I have to agree that FR went for early delivery. Later delivery would have great
35 KaiTak747 : Do they really need 200 more aircraft? The current age of the 737-800s must be about 5 years old. Many are parked in the winter due to lack of demand/
36 7BOEING7 : CanJet, GOL, Garuda, ETH, OrenAir, Spice Jet, Moscow Airlines
37 KC135TopBoom : Correct, this is not a B-737MAX order, if it materializes. FR likes to fly their B-738s for several years, then sell them for more than they original
38 ely747 : Flying used to be glamour but is no longer with bully FR on scene. Boeing's long term revenue is suffering too.[Edited 2013-01-10 15:17:27]
39 AirframeAS : I never said it did. I was paraphrasing what the article said since only a select few actually read the article.
40 Post contains images lightsaber : So what ever happened to FR and the C919. I double dog dare MOL to bet FR's future on that plane. Thank you. Lightsaber
41 Post contains images mffoda : Perhaps you would like to explain this a bit further? Most financial analysts seem to say the opposite.
42 yyz717 : Also MIAT, Sun Express.
43 phxa340 : Hopefully someone can help me out on this one. Many members continuously state that Boeing got rapped on the FR deal yet the Air Asia deal for 320s an
44 WAC : I would never trust a financial analyst. After all half the job function is about crystal balling what might (not) happen. But looking at the natural
45 mffoda : Please feel free to do the Math yourself! Start with the production increases across the whole commercial line of aircraft.. And then offer your opin
46 ely747 : As mentioned earlier, FR are quick to phase out their frames. 3 or 4 year old aircraft is relatively new. Taking into account the discount FR gets (
47 WAC : Well I did not say that they would not make their numbers. I just dispute your affirmation that analysts opinions are the foundation of fact. I said
48 7BOEING7 : Although the info I have is not up to date, as of mid 2011 their oldest airplanes were 7 years old and all those past 7 had been sold--which at that
49 par13del : A number of airlines in the Third and Developing World, unfortunately, the rape usually works in the reverse, the lease companies rake those usually
50 Post contains links mffoda : I'm going to have to throw the BS flag on this one! (DISCOUNT!!!) Please provide proof (one example) that either OEM is / or is not doing the same th
51 ely747 : Thanks for the update. Some machines are kept longer obviously. There is a shot somewhere in the photo album of a former FR 737-8 flying over eastern
52 7BOEING7 : I'd be interested to know who that was. The ETH one was 7 years old and all the rest went to China, Russia, or India for the most part but my data do
53 ely747 : The Ethiopian one crashed off the Lebanese coast in 2010. I'm still browsing the photo bank to dig that photo out.[Edited 2013-01-11 18:03:59]
54 GCT64 : I believe you are correct. As far as I can tell, the most recent line number they have disposed off is l/n 1698: EI-DHM - originally delivered end of
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