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DL Upgauging SLC-CDG For Summer  
User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5276 posts, RR: 24
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

I was looking at schedules on Delta.com, and noticed that DL will be using the A332 on SLC-CDG starting 6/1 instead of the usual 763. It's not a huge change at an additional 31 seats per day, but the 332's less premium-heavy configuration should actually work well on this route.


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4068 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7067 times:

Quoting OA412 (Thread starter):
It's not a huge change at an additional 31 seats per day, but the 332's less premium-heavy configuration should actually work well on this route.

SLC isn't going to produce a great deal of premium fare paying passengers. AF is stepping in to cover MSP-CDG and some have been concerned if that didn't happen DL would have shifted the route to MSP.



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User currently offlinemplsjefe From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7002 times:
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Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 1):

SLC isn't going to produce a great deal of premium fare paying passengers. AF is stepping in to cover MSP-CDG and some have been concerned if that didn't happen DL would have shifted the route to MSP.

DL will still run daily MSP-CDG in addition to the new AF route.


User currently offlinemplsjefe From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6956 times:
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Quoting mplsjefe (Reply 2):

SLC isn't going to produce a great deal of premium fare paying passengers. AF is stepping in to cover MSP-CDG and some have been concerned if that didn't happen DL would have shifted the route to MSP.

Sorry if I misunderstood. Do you mean DL would have gone 2x daily MSP to CDG on their own metal if AF wouldn't have come in and SLC would have lost their flight?


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6941 times:

Quoting OA412 (Thread starter):
I was looking at schedules on Delta.com, and noticed that DL will be using the A332 on SLC-CDG starting 6/1 instead of the usual 763. It's not a huge change at an additional 31 seats per day, but the 332's less premium-heavy configuration should actually work well on this route.

Still awesome news! Great to see the A330 back in SLC. The 767s will still in SLC for other routes so its great to see this one upgauaged.

This route does really well in the summer i dont see extra coach seats as a problem at all. Good Move Delta!

[Edited 2013-01-09 19:31:44]

User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6177 times:

Quoting OA412 (Thread starter):
but the 332's less premium-heavy configuration should actually work well on this route.

Not exactly a huge change in J capacity, according to delta.com the 332 has 32 J class seats, the 76T in the new flat bed configuration has 36 seats but one of those is reserved for crew rest so 32 vs 35? There are an extra 35 seats between these configurations in Y/Y+. From my ancedotal experience this flight seems to do well in the Y cabin (though J was full a couple of weeks ago when I was 'up front') so I think the extra 35 seats of revenue should be good.

Downside is that there is now no chance of a J flatbed on this route. There was always a chance with the 763 depending if you got an upgraded bird or not.

Now, when can SLC get an AMS flight??


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6058 times:

How will this A332 be routed to SLC?


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User currently offlinedelta764 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5950 times:

The routing would be perfect if SLC still had their NRT flight.  Maybe one day it will come back

User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):

I suspect that it will rotate via CDG, like the current 763 does. That is the only international configured 763 that visits SLC right now, and it comes in from CDG and turns right back.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5906 times:

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 8):

I suspect that it will rotate via CDG, like the current 763 does. That is the only international configured 763 that visits SLC right now, and it comes in from CDG and turns right back.

That is what I thought. Would have been nice to have it routed from one of the domestic hubs instead.



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User currently offlinedavid21487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5759 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 5):
...the 76T in the new flat bed configuration has 36 seats but one of those is reserved for crew rest

The 76T doesn't have any seats blocked for crew rest. It has crew rest facilities under the cabin.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3076 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5707 times:

This makes more sense. Several people have posted that DL was going to discontinue SLC-CDG. Given reports that the route does very well and it's a strategic hub-to-hub route, I would have been surprised to see it discontinued.

Why was SLC-NRT discontinued? Were the loads poor or was it just a takeoff and weight performance problem out of SLC? I believe they had to block out some seats on the westbound flight. SLC-NRT is a perfect route for the 787.


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5601 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):
How will this A332 be routed to SLC?

There will be three A332s going through CDG this summer: SLC, MSP, and JFK.

DL-operated metal through CDG this summer will see an increase from last:

JFK: daily A332; was daily 767
EWR: daily 76L; not operating last summer
BOS: daily 75E; not operating last summer
PHL: daily 75E; no change
PIT: 5x weekly 75E; no change
ATL: 2x daily 76U; don't remember clearly last summer - think may have been 1x A333
CVG: daily 76L; no change
SEA: daily 76L or 76T;
SLC: daily A332; was daily 767
DTW: daily A333; ??? last summer
MSP: daily A332; no change


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10431 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5563 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 11):
This makes more sense. Several people have posted that DL was going to discontinue SLC-CDG.

Well, that WAS the rumor floating around SLC when I was last there, in October.



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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5375 times:

Quoting david21487 (Reply 10):
Quoting BD338 (Reply 5):
...the 76T in the new flat bed configuration has 36 seats but one of those is reserved for crew rest

The 76T doesn't have any seats blocked for crew rest. It has crew rest facilities under the cabin.

Either 7 or 8A, I forget which, was being used as crew rest when I flew a couple of weeks ago. there are studs on the overhead bin for a curtain to be attached to. The second pilot made his bed there for the evening.

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 8):
I suspect that it will rotate via CDG, like the current 763 does. That is the only international configured 763 that visits SLC right now, and it comes in from CDG and turns right back.

Doesn't the current aircraft fly a W pattern, something like ATL-CDG-SLC-CDG-ATL. As while the arrival/departure times in SLC allow a straight turnaround, the flight arriving in CDG arrives after the outbound flight to SLC?


User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

This is great news. Although I agree with BD338 that it's sad to not see the upgraded interiors on the route. maybe after the summer.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 11):

I'm afraid that DL's build-up of Asian capacity at SEA will work against the reintroduction of SLC-NRT any time soon. I've heard the same things as you--it took a weight penalty westbound, loads were otherwise supposed to be good, but rumors say the yields were low. Add in some chatter that the 332 wasn't the right plane. A future 787 would be great, and you can't ignore how it mirrors the upcoming UA DEN-NRT service. I know that DL uses a 763 on PDX-NRT. Could the 763 work for SLC-NRT? Or would it also have to take restrictions?



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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5297 times:
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Quoting BD338 (Reply 14):
Either 7 or 8A, I forget which, was being used as crew rest when I flew a couple of weeks ago.

You were probably on the 76L, which has the pilot rest seat at 7A. The 76T has separate pilot rest bunks in the area between Business and Economy, so all J seats (36) are for sale.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3076 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 15):
I know that DL uses a 763 on PDX-NRT. Could the 763 work for SLC-NRT? Or would it also have to take restrictions?

PDX is at sea-level. SLC is not so I think that's the issue. A 767-300 could do the range of SLC-NRT if SLC were at sea-level. A 777-200LR could do it with no problem, but that's probably too big of an airplane for SLC-NRT. It is an ideal 787 route if DL were getting any soon. The 787 has enabled new non-stop service to NRT from DEN, BOS, SAN and SJC so far.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 15):
Could the 763 work for SLC-NRT? Or would it also have to take restrictions?

Just not possible on the route. The A332 even had weight restrictions and they would not sell all the seats on the Westbound flight taking off out of SLC.

I would like to think London is a possibility for summer 2014 if Delta can get more LHR slots thru the whole Virgin Atlantic deal. Time will tell. SLC has the demand to feed LHR with a 767.

There is still three 767s on ATL-SLC daily in the summer so the A330 is not coming from ATL as of now. Maybe routed thru CDG. I m just happy to see the A330 in SLC again. 767s are cool but love to see the A330 in SLC


User currently offlinedavid21487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 16):
You were probably on the 76L, which has the pilot rest seat at 7A. The 76T has separate pilot rest bunks in the area between Business and Economy, so all J seats (36) are for sale.

  

The entrance to the pilot rest facility is across from 9D on the 76T.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5276 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 5):

I included Economy Comfort in my calculation of premium seats. You're right that J capacity isn't that different, but J + Y+ is larger on the 763 than the 332.



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