OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4998 posts, RR: 25 Posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6279 times:
I was looking at schedules on Delta.com, and noticed that DL will be using the A332 on SLC-CDG starting 6/1 instead of the usual 763. It's not a huge change at an additional 31 seats per day, but the 332's less premium-heavy configuration should actually work well on this route.
SLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3875 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6065 times:
Quoting OA412 (Thread starter): It's not a huge change at an additional 31 seats per day, but the 332's less premium-heavy configuration should actually work well on this route.
SLC isn't going to produce a great deal of premium fare paying passengers. AF is stepping in to cover MSP-CDG and some have been concerned if that didn't happen DL would have shifted the route to MSP.
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mplsjefe From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 97 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6000 times:
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 1):
SLC isn't going to produce a great deal of premium fare paying passengers. AF is stepping in to cover MSP-CDG and some have been concerned if that didn't happen DL would have shifted the route to MSP.
DL will still run daily MSP-CDG in addition to the new AF route.
mplsjefe From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 97 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5954 times:
Quoting mplsjefe (Reply 2):
SLC isn't going to produce a great deal of premium fare paying passengers. AF is stepping in to cover MSP-CDG and some have been concerned if that didn't happen DL would have shifted the route to MSP.
Sorry if I misunderstood. Do you mean DL would have gone 2x daily MSP to CDG on their own metal if AF wouldn't have come in and SLC would have lost their flight?
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2483 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5939 times:
Quoting OA412 (Thread starter): I was looking at schedules on Delta.com, and noticed that DL will be using the A332 on SLC-CDG starting 6/1 instead of the usual 763. It's not a huge change at an additional 31 seats per day, but the 332's less premium-heavy configuration should actually work well on this route.
Still awesome news! Great to see the A330 back in SLC. The 767s will still in SLC for other routes so its great to see this one upgauaged.
This route does really well in the summer i dont see extra coach seats as a problem at all. Good Move Delta!
BD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 603 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5175 times:
Quoting OA412 (Thread starter): but the 332's less premium-heavy configuration should actually work well on this route.
Not exactly a huge change in J capacity, according to delta.com the 332 has 32 J class seats, the 76T in the new flat bed configuration has 36 seats but one of those is reserved for crew rest so 32 vs 35? There are an extra 35 seats between these configurations in Y/Y+. From my ancedotal experience this flight seems to do well in the Y cabin (though J was full a couple of weeks ago when I was 'up front') so I think the extra 35 seats of revenue should be good.
Downside is that there is now no chance of a J flatbed on this route. There was always a chance with the 763 depending if you got an upgraded bird or not.
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16598 posts, RR: 11 Reply 6, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5056 times:
redzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 295 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4937 times:
I suspect that it will rotate via CDG, like the current 763 does. That is the only international configured 763 that visits SLC right now, and it comes in from CDG and turns right back.
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16598 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4904 times:
Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 8):
I suspect that it will rotate via CDG, like the current 763 does. That is the only international configured 763 that visits SLC right now, and it comes in from CDG and turns right back.
That is what I thought. Would have been nice to have it routed from one of the domestic hubs instead.
david21487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 230 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4757 times:
Quoting BD338 (Reply 5): ...the 76T in the new flat bed configuration has 36 seats but one of those is reserved for crew rest
The 76T doesn't have any seats blocked for crew rest. It has crew rest facilities under the cabin.
BoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2383 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4705 times:
This makes more sense. Several people have posted that DL was going to discontinue SLC-CDG. Given reports that the route does very well and it's a strategic hub-to-hub route, I would have been surprised to see it discontinued.
Why was SLC-NRT discontinued? Were the loads poor or was it just a takeoff and weight performance problem out of SLC? I believe they had to block out some seats on the westbound flight. SLC-NRT is a perfect route for the 787.
panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4595 posts, RR: 25 Reply 12, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4599 times:
There will be three A332s going through CDG this summer: SLC, MSP, and JFK.
DL-operated metal through CDG this summer will see an increase from last:
JFK: daily A332; was daily 767
EWR: daily 76L; not operating last summer
BOS: daily 75E; not operating last summer
PHL: daily 75E; no change
PIT: 5x weekly 75E; no change
ATL: 2x daily 76U; don't remember clearly last summer - think may have been 1x A333
CVG: daily 76L; no change
SEA: daily 76L or 76T;
SLC: daily A332; was daily 767
DTW: daily A333; ??? last summer
MSP: daily A332; no change
BD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 603 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4373 times:
Quoting david21487 (Reply 10): Quoting BD338 (Reply 5):
...the 76T in the new flat bed configuration has 36 seats but one of those is reserved for crew rest
The 76T doesn't have any seats blocked for crew rest. It has crew rest facilities under the cabin.
Either 7 or 8A, I forget which, was being used as crew rest when I flew a couple of weeks ago. there are studs on the overhead bin for a curtain to be attached to. The second pilot made his bed there for the evening.
Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 8): I suspect that it will rotate via CDG, like the current 763 does. That is the only international configured 763 that visits SLC right now, and it comes in from CDG and turns right back.
Doesn't the current aircraft fly a W pattern, something like ATL-CDG-SLC-CDG-ATL. As while the arrival/departure times in SLC allow a straight turnaround, the flight arriving in CDG arrives after the outbound flight to SLC?
redzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 295 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4320 times:
This is great news. Although I agree with BD338 that it's sad to not see the upgraded interiors on the route. maybe after the summer.
I'm afraid that DL's build-up of Asian capacity at SEA will work against the reintroduction of SLC-NRT any time soon. I've heard the same things as you--it took a weight penalty westbound, loads were otherwise supposed to be good, but rumors say the yields were low. Add in some chatter that the 332 wasn't the right plane. A future 787 would be great, and you can't ignore how it mirrors the upcoming UA DEN-NRT service. I know that DL uses a 763 on PDX-NRT. Could the 763 work for SLC-NRT? Or would it also have to take restrictions?
panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4595 posts, RR: 25 Reply 16, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4295 times:
Quoting BD338 (Reply 14): Either 7 or 8A, I forget which, was being used as crew rest when I flew a couple of weeks ago.
You were probably on the 76L, which has the pilot rest seat at 7A. The 76T has separate pilot rest bunks in the area between Business and Economy, so all J seats (36) are for sale.
BoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2383 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4099 times:
Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 15): I know that DL uses a 763 on PDX-NRT. Could the 763 work for SLC-NRT? Or would it also have to take restrictions?
PDX is at sea-level. SLC is not so I think that's the issue. A 767-300 could do the range of SLC-NRT if SLC were at sea-level. A 777-200LR could do it with no problem, but that's probably too big of an airplane for SLC-NRT. It is an ideal 787 route if DL were getting any soon. The 787 has enabled new non-stop service to NRT from DEN, BOS, SAN and SJC so far.
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2483 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3888 times:
Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 15): Could the 763 work for SLC-NRT? Or would it also have to take restrictions?
Just not possible on the route. The A332 even had weight restrictions and they would not sell all the seats on the Westbound flight taking off out of SLC.
I would like to think London is a possibility for summer 2014 if Delta can get more LHR slots thru the whole Virgin Atlantic deal. Time will tell. SLC has the demand to feed LHR with a 767.
There is still three 767s on ATL-SLC daily in the summer so the A330 is not coming from ATL as of now. Maybe routed thru CDG. I m just happy to see the A330 in SLC again. 767s are cool but love to see the A330 in SLC
david21487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 230 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3270 times:
Quoting panamair (Reply 16): You were probably on the 76L, which has the pilot rest seat at 7A. The 76T has separate pilot rest bunks in the area between Business and Economy, so all J seats (36) are for sale.
The entrance to the pilot rest facility is across from 9D on the 76T.
I included Economy Comfort in my calculation of premium seats. You're right that J capacity isn't that different, but J + Y+ is larger on the 763 than the 332.
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