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User currently offlineWilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8997 posts, RR: 76
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 26595 times:
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Bad day for the snake on the QF flight. It seems to be stucked at the part where the flaps are.

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...tile-passenger-20130110-2ciu0.html

Unfortunately it got ripped in two parts and died...   

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[Edited 2013-01-10 04:36:21]


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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 26228 times:
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RIP to the snake.   Hope the cleanup isn't too bad and hopefully the snale didn't do any damage.


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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 25822 times:

Non-Rev pax will do anything to get on a flight...

User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 25769 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
RIP to the snake.   Hope the cleanup isn't too bad and hopefully the snale didn't do any damage.

From what I understand from the article, the snake was still trying to get inside the wing/flap area after landing!


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7701 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 25446 times:
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Poor snakey!

Certainly not the sort of thing you see every day on a flight.



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 25330 times:

oh god this bloody country is full of the god damn things. honestly don't feel for the snake, feel for the pax... if this jammed a flight surface things could have ended very differently. luckily all landed in one piece bar the stow away.

User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 25256 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 5):
oh god this bloody country is full of the god damn things. honestly don't feel for the snake, feel for the pax... if this jammed a flight surface things could have ended very differently. luckily all landed in one piece bar the stow away.

Maybe if it chewed up a few hydraulic lines and gas lines the night before...



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8705 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 25245 times:

Where is Samuel L. Jackson when you need him?


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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 24850 times:

The snake was hired by Airbus to sabotage 787's The Boeing agents found out, and got him!


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User currently offlinehawaii12 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23096 times:

snakes do not chew. they're very protective of their fangs... one or two strikes and they're put away. and the other teeth snakes do have are used to hold their food in place as it moves forward to begin the swallowing process.

User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 22844 times:
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Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 5):

So if the snake got the controls jammed, would it still be pilot error?

 



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User currently offlinemanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 21854 times:

Who says Hollywood movies do not depict reality!

User currently offlinehigherflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 21614 times:

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 10):
So if the snake got the controls jammed, would it still be pilot error?


Yes!

Did the snake have a passport? Or did it get deported back to point of origin at QF's expense?


User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1902 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 21562 times:

The snake was sick and tired of all those mother-effing people on that mother-effing plane!

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 20249 times:

The report is saying 3 meters long. In the photos, that snake doesn't look like it could be that long.
That said, I can't stand snakes!



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User currently offlinedergay From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19656 times:

Quoting hawaii12 (Reply 9):
snakes do not chew. they're very protective of their fangs... one or two strikes and they're put away. and the other teeth snakes do have are used to hold their food in place as it moves forward to begin the swallowing process.

Thank You!
  



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User currently offlinevanguard737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 683 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16889 times:

Along with centipedes, earwigs, and wasps, I absolutely hate snakes!

But I can't help but feel sorry for this little guy. That was a slow, painful death.  



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16637 times:

you know i was thinking about this more. Cairn's apron is concrete and asphalt, depending on where the aircraft was parked. Assuming it when it during an overnight stop, it still would have taken the snake quite a while to cross this kind of surface, as there isn't much ability for it to gain traction on it. during the day people would have noticed. but during the night, well possibly not. The tarmac would have been warm, but it probably took the snake forever to leave whatever nearby garden it came out of and to get up inside the aircraft.... unless... a passenger brought it there!

User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2389 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15317 times:

Poor critter. Had to die that far away from home.


David



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7445 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15159 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 2):

Non-Rev pax will do anything to get on a flight...


  

Quoting aloges (Reply 7):
Where is Samuel L. Jackson when you need him?

  

How it got on top of the wing to begin with is pure wonder......



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2496 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14921 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 7):
Where is Samuel L. Jackson when you need him?

"Enough is enough! I have had it with these muthaflapping snakes on this muthaflapping plane!"

In all honesty, though, that's one tough snake.

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User currently offlinechanyxp From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14791 times:

QF 191? I guess the number 191 is really cursed.

User currently offlinepeterinlisbon From Portugal, joined Jan 2006, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14159 times:

I wonder if it had a first class ticket? They normally do.

User currently offlineFlexJetOKC From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14037 times:

Poor snake! I bet that was a chilly ride!

[Edited 2013-01-10 16:54:16]


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User currently offlinea36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 13493 times:

OMG the post's on the news.com.au site are banging on about how dare the crew let that animal die, if it was a Koala blabla!!! Who cares about some snake, that thing would try and kill you first chance it got! The only good snake is a dead snake as far as I am concerned! (I have lost two pets to a red belly black snake). In this country we have so many of nature's finest both good and bad, and one less of the bad ones isn't going to get me upset. Glad the aircraft survived!  

User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 13176 times:
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Quoting chanyxp (Reply 21):

THANK YOU!! I wasn't sure if I'd offend anybody by posting that myself, but that was the very first thing that came to mind for me. I do feel bad for the snake, as I hate to see any living creature pass away, but it might have attacked somebody if it hadn't so it all balances out.



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User currently offlineqantas717 From Australia, joined Nov 2012, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11365 times:

So lets speculate, what killed the snake?

More than likely a combination of things including loss of blood, extreme cold and hypoxia and well as probably being crushesd or possibly severed in several places.

I am absolutely petrified of snakes, yet I continue to live in this country that is full of venomous creatures, but I cant help but feel sorry for this one, it was doing what was natural to it (finding a place to hide) and that lead to its death.

What do you all think? perhaps someone with more knowledge on how the TE flap mechanism works on the Q400?

Regards

Matt

[Edited 2013-01-10 21:15:38]

User currently offlineGSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10901 times:

The real question here should be...

How did it get up there? Maybe climbed up the landing gear? I can't think of anything else.


User currently offlineBureaucromancer From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10308 times:

My question about this is how big a screwup is this in terms of preflight? It seems like this thing should have been pretty noticeable. Are we (or should we be) looking at disciplinary action against the crew?

User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8705 posts, RR: 43
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9722 times:

Quoting Bureaucromancer (Reply 28):
It seems like this thing should have been pretty noticeable.

How so? IIRC, the article said that a passenger noticed "a head popping out of the wing" (or so) during the flight. That means the snake was tucked away nicely during the pre-flight inspection; if any sizeable animal can hide between e.g. a flap and the wing proper, it's a long and thin one.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7381 times:

Quoting a36001 (Reply 24):
OMG the post's on the news.com.au site are banging on about how dare the crew let that animal die, if it was a Koala blabla!!!


Stupid animal rights activist types mostl likely. Qantas might get hit with a lawsuit from PETA.

Quoting a36001 (Reply 24):
Who cares about some snake, that thing would try and kill you first chance it got! The only good snake is a dead snake as far as I am concerned! (I have lost two pets to a red belly black snake). In this country we have so many of nature's finest both good and bad, and one less of the bad ones isn't going to get me upset. Glad the aircraft survived!


  
I agree.



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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7242 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 17):

you know i was thinking about this more. Cairn's apron is concrete and asphalt, depending on where the aircraft was parked. Assuming it when it during an overnight stop, it still would have taken the snake quite a while to cross this kind of surface, as there isn't much ability for it to gain traction on it. during the day people would have noticed. but during the night, well possibly not. The tarmac would have been warm, but it probably took the snake forever to leave whatever nearby garden it came out of and to get up inside the aircraft.... unless... a passenger brought it there!

I'm not so sure I agree with this. Asphalt and concrete have ample texture on which to gain traction, a snake could move fairly easily. If anything, the opposite problem is more likely to be true, it could be too much friction if the snake was dry.

Also, I notice there is an open drainage canal behind the ramp at CNS that connects out to the adjacent mangrove. Snakes are generally very effective swimmers, and it appears the majority of the gates would be within 150m or so of that drainage feature. It wouldn't be all that difficult for the snake to cover that distance unnoticed at night.


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6737 times:

That snake is hiss-tory...

User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7143 posts, RR: 8
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6483 times:

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 10):
So if the snake got the controls jammed, would it still be pilot error?

Yes, the captain is responsible for ensuring that all pax are properly seated before takeoff, and since they departed with the proper paperwork completed............

On the other hand, this should be enough evidence that we need to commence fumigating a/c on international flights, imagine the damage created from the introduction of an such an invasive species in a pristine environment.


User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6061 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 33):
imagine the damage created from the introduction of an such an invasive species in a pristine environment.

That had me confused because reading the article I wasn't sure if the pilots continued to their destination, diverted to the nearest airport or returned to departure airport. I would think that due to invasive species you'd divert back to your departure airport if practical or an alternate advising them of the nature of the diversion so animal control can meet the flight. Guam was literally over run by snakes right after WW II due to this type of situation. Hawaii is in fear of it and why they have strict quartantine rules for plants and animals. Australia is known for this too so that surprises me this detail seems missing.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6007 times:

Why does the article say python?
This snake doesn't look fat enough to be a python.
Are there any photos of the snake after it had been pulled out?



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2389 posts, RR: 13
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5826 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):

Well, I do not know, but:

"Rick Shine, a snake expert at the University of Sydney, said the specimen was a ''very uncomfortable'' scrub python, the longest snake in Australia."

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...-flying-circus-20130110-2ciu0.html



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5457 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 5):
if this jammed a flight surface

Exactly.....A jammed control surface would have been serious.Was the Aircraft parked for a long duration to permit the snake to get up to the area.



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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
Why does the article say python?
This snake doesn't look fat enough to be a python.
Are there any photos of the snake after it had been pulled out?

Unlike other species of python, scrub pythons are generally fairly slender snakes unless they've eaten very recently. What you see in the photos looks fairly consistent with the species.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5337 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 37):
Was the Aircraft parked for a long duration to permit the snake to get up to the area.

It was parked overnight. The flight left CNS at 0615.


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2389 posts, RR: 13
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5340 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 37):
Exactly.....A jammed control surface would have been serious.Was the Aircraft parked for a long duration to permit the snake to get up to the area.

And aircraft aren't able to do a no-flaps-landing, are they?

Well, it presumably took the snake only a night to crawl into the wing. Many and many A/C are parked for such a long duration.


David



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 40):

And aircraft aren't able to do a no-flaps-landing, are they?

The TE flap may not have been the only jammed component....  



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2389 posts, RR: 13
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 41):

You mean, more snakes on the motherflapping plane???


David



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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 852 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4132 times:
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This was a Q400 folks and I'm sure it is more than capable of a no flap landing especially with those big props put in reverse pitch after landing.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3412 times:

Any idea where this Aircraft was long halted that wnabled the snake access to the flap track.
So procedures can be put in place to avoid similiar occurances in future.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 44):
Any idea where this Aircraft was long halted that enabled the snake access to the flap track.

See Reply 39. The aircraft was parked overnight at CNS and departed at 0615.


User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 46, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
This snake doesn't look fat enough to be a python.

There are many different species of pythons........many of them are not big and fat.......some are long and slender;

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
How it got on top of the wing to begin with is pure wonder......

If you have ever watched a snake climbing into a tree, your question would be answered; many species of snakes are extremely good climbers and are able to climb almost anything.

[quote=Lufthansa,reply=17]but it probably took the snake forever to leave whatever nearby garden it came out of and to get up inside the aircraft....

Why so ? we're not talking about a snail here; think: how long would it take you to walk 150 feet? double that, and most snakes would have "time left over"; and you can forget about all of the "lack of "traction" on a smooth surface; most species of snakes are capable of just as much "forward progress" on a sheet of glass as they would be across a lawn. (or a concrete apron at an airport)


[quote=steex,reply=31] Asphalt and concrete have ample texture on which to gain traction, a snake could move fairly easily. If anything, the opposite problem is more likely to be true, it could be too much friction if the snake was dry.

Asphalt and concrete have ample texture on which to gain traction; that part is completely true;

If you take a close look at most snakes, you'll realize why you're unlikely to ever see a "wet" snake; (most are kinda like a teflon coated frying pan); when you remove them from the water, they're already dry; water just doesn't stick to them.

And last but not least........all of the worrying about the snake causing damage to the flap mechanisms and endangering the A/C; I'm sure any aviation/mech on this forum will assure you.......the strength of the materials in the flap mechanisms, and the forces that power them, would many times greater than anything that would be damaged by a 10 or 15 pound snake. ( kinda like worrying about a hot dog breaking a meat grinder)

Charley



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