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New "Stinger" Gates At DFW Terminal B  
User currently offlinedeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1441 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19566 times:

I was on the DFW Airport FB page, and someone posted this. I hadn't seen it anywhere. Looks like Terminal B is getting 10 more gates:

https://www.dfwairport.com/cs/groups/public/documents/webasset/p1_062559.pdf

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User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19440 times:

That would be a great place for NK to set up shop. It wouldn't be too far of a tow from Terminal D for their arriving international flights.


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User currently offlinejsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2038 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19407 times:

Hadn't heard about this. When I first opened the presentation I wondered if these weren't just temporary gates designed to handle overflows during gate closures as part of the TRIP reconstruction. However, the renderings make this look like a very permanent facility. I didn't realize American Eagle was already in need of additional gates, since Terminal B often feels very quiet inside.

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11712 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19267 times:

Hmmm interesting. I guess AA really is anticipating some major growth for Eagle! The placement and configuration of that 'stinger' does look very weird hanging off of DFW's characteristic semicircle terminals, but I guess it makes sense to put it there if Eagle needs more space and that corner ramp is not needed anymore.

User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18997 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1):
That would be a great place for NK to set up shop.

Except for the fact that this is designed for RJs.


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3035 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18966 times:
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Certainly looks like a better option than remote stands for Eagle. Seems like every airport ends up with something like this eventually!


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18951 times:

I noticed a completion date of April 2014, just 15 months from now. That is a fast timeline for 10 more gates at an airport as big as DFW. So I guess DFW is preparing for a quick return of 70-seaters to the AA DFW schedules now that the AA/APA pilot contract allows for it.

The question is: who will bring 70-seaters back to DFW in time for this upgrade? Will it be Eagle itself, or will OO/EV, AX/G7, or RAH (all with histories with AA) fly CR7/9s or E-Jets in Eagle colors? That said, among other routes, I think that FWA-DFW could use a 70-seater or two as the two daily ER4s are always full with hefty yields, plus the fact that DFW has more O&D than any other non-G4 flight from FWA.

Quoting EricR (Reply 4):
Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1):
That would be a great place for NK to set up shop.

Except for the fact that this is designed for RJs.

And it's in Eagle's terminal. But the good news for NK is that there's still plenty of space left in Terminal E, and there will be even more once TRIP is finished at E.



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User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18668 times:

I don't think there is plenty of space left in E. TRIP provides some relief but once NK gets cranked up, gate space will probably getting tight.

Where would DFW put new airlines if they decided to come in or an airline like Spirit drastically expands to the point of not fitting in Terminal E?



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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 18402 times:
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I don't think there is plenty of space left in E. TRIP provides some relief but once NK gets cranked up, gate space will probably getting tight.

Where would DFW put new airlines if they decided to come in or an airline like Spirit drastically expands to the point of not fitting in Terminal E?


Spirit should stay in the DFW E satellite. It is perfectly made for them.


User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 18341 times:

How many gates does the TRIP terminal have now? I couldn't see all of them when I flew in/out last week.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5849 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 18338 times:

I really do NOT understand this project at all. Being a DFW native, and flying through there frequently, there are many periods throughout the day when terminal B is a ghost town. And, the gates that were added the LAST time we did this seem to be utterly forlorn (used to park Fokker 100's, then ERJ's, along the straight extension from the B terminal).
If Eagle could manage to be more judicious in their use of gate space, this whole project could be avoided, in my firm opinion.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
And it's in Eagle's terminal. But the good news for NK is that there's still plenty of space left in Terminal E, and there will be even more once TRIP is finished at E.
Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 7):
I don't think there is plenty of space left in E. TRIP provides some relief but once NK gets cranked up, gate space will probably getting tight.

NK is happily on their own little island at Delta's satellite E building. I went over there recently; the Dickey's barbecue is fantastic, and there's no wait to get in!

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
Hmmm interesting. I guess AA really is anticipating some major growth for Eagle!

Then they should let them use gates in A or C, and not waste ANOTHER construction project at DFW, only to let it set empty ten years from now.

Like Satellite E; once all the terminal renovations are done, Satellite E will be obsolete. Expansion? This industry isn't expanding, it's consolidating.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 18262 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
Expansion? This industry isn't expanding, it's consolidating.


While it is true that the industry is in consolidation mode, major hubs around the country should benefit from this consolidation as smaller hubs are reduced or eliminated and this traffic re-routed over major hubs.


User currently offlinePDX88 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 18195 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
I really do NOT understand this project at all. Being a DFW native, and flying through there frequently, there are many periods throughout the day when terminal B is a ghost town.

ExpressJet starts next month out of DFW, I'm guessing the B gates will go back to being packed.


User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 769 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 18153 times:

Can someone tell me what a TRIP project is at DFW? And is NK only at the E satellite--is that the area where you go under the ramp to the small "mini-terminal?"

Thanks!



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5849 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17261 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 11):
While it is true that the industry is in consolidation mode, major hubs around the country should benefit from this consolidation as smaller hubs are reduced or eliminated and this traffic re-routed over major hubs.

Good point.

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 12):
ExpressJet starts next month out of DFW, I'm guessing the B gates will go back to being packed.

My prediction (always subject to being incorrect) is that this will come at the expense of mainline AA flights, thus freeing up space at flexible gates.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 13):
Can someone tell me what a TRIP project is at DFW? And is NK only at the E satellite--is that the area where you go under the ramp to the small "mini-terminal?

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User currently offlinejsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2038 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17265 times:

Quoting B727FA (Reply 13):
Can someone tell me what a TRIP project is at DFW?

TRIP is a phased, top-to-bottom renovation of the four original terminals at DFW. Most of them opened in 1974, and although they have been expanded and remodeled since, TRIP will be the first large-scale reconstruction project. The first phase is currently underway in the northern half of Terminal A and the northern half of Terminal B. A portion of Terminal E will be closing soon as well.

I'm not sure what to expect from the TRIP renovations other than increased circulation space and a fresher look inside. The exteriors of the buildings will not be changing much, which is fine since the Skylink covers up just about everything on the airside anyhow.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
I really do NOT understand this project at all. Being a DFW native, and flying through there frequently, there are many periods throughout the day when terminal B is a ghost town. And, the gates that were added the LAST time we did this seem to be utterly forlorn (used to park Fokker 100's, then ERJ's, along the straight extension from the B terminal).

I agree this seems a bit excessive. Even before the northern third of Terminal B closed for the TRIP work, it was often eerily quiet up there, with only a handful of ATR flights a day.

In fairness to the "extension" gates at the bottom of B, that was built back in the late 1990s to handle mainline flights to heavy O&D points like ORD, LAX and SFO. Half of those gates had to close to make room for gates on Terminal D, but ever since then it's been a ghost town down there.


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1535 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 16965 times:

The ExpressJet flights come at the expense of Eagle flights. As we return airplanes ExpressJet will fill in that flying.

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 16802 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 7):
Where would DFW put new airlines if they decided to come in or an airline like Spirit drastically expands to the point of not fitting in Terminal E?

DFW has room for Terminal F, and Skylink is pre-tracked for a future Terminal F.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2195 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 16674 times:

My mindset here is that if AA and US merge, we could potentially see a redeployment of some 100-seat aircraft ex-US to DFW, and this is where this project will come in handy.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 17):
DFW has room for Terminal F, and Skylink is pre-tracked for a future Terminal F.

Yah, but the needs aren't that great at the moment. Expanding Terminal B is a wiser approach. The targeted area used to serve as the widebody gates for flights on LH, BA and KE.



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1608 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16004 times:

The gate waiting area doesn't seem very big for ten new gates - even if the gates are for regional aircraft. It looks like the makings for a real zoo.

User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2682 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15869 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
I noticed a completion date of April 2014, just 15 months from now. That is a fast timeline for 10 more gates at an airport as big as DFW. So I guess DFW is preparing for a quick return of 70-seaters to the AA DFW schedules now that the AA/APA pilot contract allows for it.

It's DFW we're talking about here - not JFK!   I think it's realistic. Whether or not it's needed, as others before have said, is something we'll have to wait to see.


User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15612 times:
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Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
I noticed a completion date of April 2014, just 15 months from now. That is a fast timeline for 10 more gates at an airport as big as DFW. So I guess DFW is preparing for a quick return of 70-seaters to the AA DFW schedules now that the AA/APA pilot contract allows for it.

We are talking Terminal B here and an area that is presently not being used on the north end so it is possible to build this in 15 months. After all SBN built their new concourse in about the same time.


User currently offlinee38 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14537 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 9), "How many gates does the TRIP terminal have now? I couldn't see all of them when I flew in/out last week."

There are nine gates at the Terminal E Satellite. Currently, seven of the gates have jetways installed. This is the current allocation at the terminal:

Gate E22: vacant (jetway).
Gate E23: vacant (jetway).
Gate E24: vacant, however, check-in desk in front of the gate has sign that says "Virgin America" (no jetway).
Gate E25: vacant, however, check-in desk in front of the gate has no marking on it (no jetway).
Gate E26: Spirit Airlines (jetway).
Gate E27: Spirit Airlines (jetway).
Gate E28: Spirit Airlines (jetway).
Gate E29: Spirit Airlines (jetway).
Gate E30: Spirit Airlines (jetway).

e38


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11712 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13911 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
I noticed a completion date of April 2014, just 15 months from now. That is a fast timeline for 10 more gates at an airport as big as DFW.

This doesn't look like any major construction project relative to other big airport projects at DFW or elsewhere - I don't think 15 months seems to unrealistic.

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 7):
I don't think there is plenty of space left in E. TRIP provides some relief but once NK gets cranked up, gate space will probably getting tight.

Where would DFW put new airlines if they decided to come in or an airline like Spirit drastically expands to the point of not fitting in Terminal E?

There is still space in E. It may not all be in one big solid bloc of gates, but there are gates smattered around E in between other carriers that are little or never used throughout the day, plus as others have said the E satellite also has open gates, and then of course there's D which has higher rents but also has plenty of capacity. And, of course, if AA and US do merge than that will free up 4 more high E gates right there.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
Then they should let them use gates in A or C

Eagle doesn't want a split operation on both sides of the highway again. They tried that once, and it was less efficient, which is why they wanted to consolidate in B in the first place.

Quoting EricR (Reply 11):
While it is true that the industry is in consolidation mode, major hubs around the country should benefit from this consolidation as smaller hubs are reduced or eliminated and this traffic re-routed over major hubs.

  

DFW is a phenomenal hub with great potential.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 18):
My mindset here is that if AA and US merge, we could potentially see a redeployment of some 100-seat aircraft ex-US to DFW, and this is where this project will come in handy.

I doubt it. If larger RJs are to be redeployed from the US network to the AA network, I suspect they'd be far more heavily focused on ORD and NYC than DFW. There are far fewer markets at DFW where, say, a 90-seater would really come in handy, whereas at ORD there are tons.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 18):
The targeted area used to serve as the widebody gates for flights on LH, BA and KE.

Yep. You can still see the very 70s-style former arrivals hall through the windows up by the higher B gates.


User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12028 times:

Wow, I did not realize the Terminal E Satellite had 9 gates, of which 7 have jetways. For some reason, even though I'm in terminal E all the time, I thought there were 4-5 gates. This makes my prior posts about not having enough room in Terminal E mute at this point. Even with only 7 gates, NK should be able to push 70 flights a day or so.

Great to see the Terminal B addition, though I'm not sure how much it's warranted. With that said, it's great to see an airport do something before it actually become a problem instead of waiting too long and it becomes a real pain in the butt.



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25 e38 : With reference to previous comments about space in Terminal E, "I don't think there is plenty of space left in E . . .," many of the gates in Terminal
26 dfwcre8tive : There are also plans to add a pier to the south side of Terminal D (extending toward future Terminal F) if/when additional gates are needed. This woul
27 DFWHeavy : How many wide body gates (up to 747/77W) could they add on the south side of Terminal D? Currently that is a bay for aircraft to be parked while not u
28 pennstation : I’ve read several items about DFW’s terminals over the past six months – most of them in publically available documents on the airport’s websi
29 atcsundevil : I agree, I think the timeline is ambitious but doable. Some parts of the country would need 15 months just to get the concrete poured, but in Texas/A
30 Post contains images PennStation : Before they can move any farther out from the terminal they'll need to pave and reroute the taxi lane to the dirt area around and beyond the covered
31 skywaymanaz : Maybe this is a dumb question but I remember years ago American timetables used to have printed in them for destinations served out of DFW which citie
32 FWAERJ : AA for the most part routes DFW flights like this: Domestic mainline - A/C Domestic Eagle - B International mainline & Eagle - D
33 jsnww81 : That's pretty much accurate. ORD flights almost always seem to depart from Terminal A. LAX and SFO are almost always out of C. Terminal A seems to ge
34 Post contains images commavia : ... except Eagle's international arrivals/departures, which of course are in D. I also find that often D often gets the early-morning and late-evenin
35 ckfred : I was watching some show or documentary. The line that caught my attention is that about 600 million people fly within the U.S. annually. IIRC, by 20
36 mhkansan : Some Eagle international departures do depart from Terminal B now, simply because Eagle does not have enough space at D. Generally these departures on
37 FWAERJ : There are plans to link the very low B gates to the Terminal D FIS as part of TRIP. I remember flying DFW-FWA out of D once, but the ERJ had just com
38 mhkansan : Regardless Eagle really needs more gates in DFW. Gate holds are an extremely common occurance and whenever I am there, every single gate is occupied w
39 PennStation : I’m in Terminal D every Friday morning from 6AM to 10AM. During that time period there are always a number of AA flights that are entirely domestic
40 commavia : Absolutely. The trajectory for Texas - economically and demographically - is upward, and that definitely goes for North Texas as well. Longer-term, e
41 Post contains images skywaymanaz : I had forgotten all about those. I remember seeing them when I drove into 2E at 4am one morning in late '86. I guess they were way more important bef
42 jsnww81 : When DFW opened in 1974, there were actually much smaller departure boards at Terminals 2W and 3E, for Braniff and American. They were mounted on reg
43 deltaffindfw : I wonder if that will be the last area to undergo TRIP. I would think they would raze the whole thing and build a proper structure.
44 727tiger : Amen. Last time I was in that end of Terminal C you could clearly tell when you were walking into the tacked on modular portion of the terminal. Not
45 PennStation : Terminal C Section C (which includes the modular gates) is the very last project on the airport's TRIP schedule. Construction is penciled in for the e
46 jsnww81 : Going a bit off topic from the Terminal B 'stinger' here, but I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the first completed TRIP increment when it open
47 commavia : Funny - flying through there, I've never really thought they were all that bad. You can certainly tell there is a different - the sloped ramp down to
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