Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26723 posts, RR: 83 Reply 4, posted (4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 29714 times:
American Airlines today disclosed in a Securities and Exchange filing that they have reached an agreement to confirm their 42 frame 787-9 MoU, though they have changed the mix of planes to 20 787-8s and 22 787-9s. They have also entered into a definitive agreement the 100 frame 737 MAX order, though they appear to be getting a price reduction from whatever they agreed to on the MoU.
American and Airbus also signed a definitive agreement last Friday (11 January) for American’s purchase of 260 aircraft from the Airbus A320 family.
Chiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 907 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 29374 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 4): They have also entered into a definitive agreement the 100 frame 737 MAX order, though they appear to be getting a price reduction from whatever they agreed to on the MoU.
Well .. this orders had been noted as firm in Boeing's book since summer 2011.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11712 posts, RR: 52 Reply 10, posted (3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 28036 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9): So far Airbus sold 10 A350s this month.
No, tat order was signed at the end of Dec. 2012. It is included in Airbus's 2012 order count.
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6717 posts, RR: 65 Reply 18, posted (3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 26252 times:
“The A350 XWB Family is becoming the industry benchmark for efficiency in the long haul segment, and the A320neo Family is ideal for airlines operating short to medium haul missions. These aircraft will help airlines grow their businesses while simultaneously reducing their operating costs and emissions,” said Steven F. Udvar-Házy.
Off course one could easily replace "A350 XWB Family" by B787 Family" and "A320neo Family" by B737 MAX Family, and the same statement would be equally true:
"The B787 Family is [becoming] the industry benchmark for efficiency in the long haul segment, and the B737 MAX Family is ideal for airlines operating short to medium haul missions. These aircraft will help airlines grow their businesses while simultaneously reducing their operating costs and emissions,” said Steven F. Udvar-Házy"
EDIT: Apologies PM, if offended. Just realized your comment was not aimed at B, but rather towards SUH, who's words on the -1000 and redesign/delay saga were of a quite different nature not so long ago . . .
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ServantLeader From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 62 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 25809 times:
It's a buyer's market with the B787 grounded indefinitely and the A350 a year away from going into service -- I'd put my money on the A350 assuming they can learn from Boeing's mistakes.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26723 posts, RR: 83 Reply 24, posted (3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 24825 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23): AA firms 100 737 Max, 1 777 and 42 787 aircraft.
Good day for GE, as the 787s will have GEnx, the 77W has GE90 and the MAX will have CFM (of which GE is a major partner).
25 india1: Airbus' AA orders also on the books http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/co...ate-information/orders-deliveries/
26 KarelXWB: Interesting, I'm missing the 100 A320ceo aircraft?
29 KarelXWB: Are you sure? I thought it was 130x A320neo and 100x A320ceo.
30 Pihero: 3...The largest order was from U.S.-based American Airlines for 130 A321neo jetliner variants, adding another operator to the growing list of A320neo
31 KarelXWB: Spectacular, that's almost half of the total A321neo backlog.
32 scbriml: No, it was 130 of each. Plus a few options. Well, 365 actually. http://www.aa.com/i18n/amrcorp/newsroom/fp_amr_fleet_agreement.jsp
33 flightsimer: I don't believe the AA order should be counted for Airbus in 2013. It was was a firm order placed in 2011 that Airbus changed from saying it was firm
34 Stitch: Airbus booked the orders in 2011 and then unbooked them that same year. So they did not count towards Airbus' final 2011 order total and there is no l
35 flightsimer: But thats what I'm saying, American didn't "un order" them. Based off what I was reading, and the way it was worded, makes it sound like it was solel
36 chiad: I think Airbus did correctly by removing a firm orders that they knew would be renegotiated upon bankruptcy. They did so openly because (IMHO) they k
37 someone83: If I'm getting it correctly Airbus also showed cancelletions of 2 A318(ACJ) and 17 A320ceo?
38 sirtoby: The 17 A320ceo came from Aircraft Purchase Fleet, the Alitalia Leasing vehicle
39 jdevora: Hi, I was going to point you to the 2011 Final order count where they had a slide specially for tell that they took that order away from the orderboo
40 Stitch: I wonder if their 12-frame A350-800 order is at risk?
42 KarelXWB: Gross: Airbus: 140 Boeing: 145 Net: Airbus: 121 Boeing: 145 Alitalia is struggling, I can see them canceling the A350 order. However, the airline sai
43 KarelXWB: Icelandair finalizes order for 16 737 Max. http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ir-increases-737-max-order-382267/
44 someone83: ALC also firmed five 737s this week The MoU/Commitment/whatever from last year was for 12 aircrafts, so seems like the order has grown?[Edited 2013-02
45 ZKCIF: Competent People (Hamlet 69 maybe?) said that the 4 extra are converted coptions
46 someone83: The Icelandair mix seems to be for 9 -8MAX and 7 -9MAX
47 KarelXWB: Qantas will place an order for 5 B737-800 aircraft. http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...a330-200s-order-five-new-b737-800s
48 KarelXWB: Air Lease Corporation Announce Order for 10 777-300ERs http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2608
49 Stitch: Cathay Pacific today announced they are ordering three 747-8Fs and canceling their order for eight 777 freighters. They did add five options for the 7
50 iceberg210: Boeing has got to be loving this, another 5 747-8's in the books, (orders they need to keep production at the current rate) and they didn't have to lo
51 rotating14: Does Boeing make any money off of these deals where they buy back their own metal?
52 Stitch: Down the road, they probably do. They can either re-sell the plane or use them to re-stock their spares stores and sell them on in pieces.
53 KarelXWB: The Airbus net orders for 2013 reached 162 aircraft; the company sold 41 aircraft in February. - 25x A350 - 2x A330 - 14x A321neo Also 45 deliveries l
54 chiad: Thanks KarelXWB I read that Airbus expected some 600+ deliveries in 2013. That's some 50 deliveries in average per months. So far there are "only" a
55 KarelXWB: Airbus will soon increase the A320 production to 42 units per month, and the A330 will go to 10 per month. Secondly, Airbus usually delivers a bit mor
56 someone83: And January is always a quiet month in terms of deliveries Boeing updated theri weekly sheets today showing the current new orders: -ALC: 10 777-300E
57 WestWing: Boeing also updated the monthly report. It confirms that AA converted their remaining five 77E orders to 77Ws.
58 someone83: How do you find this report where conversions can be seen?
59 N14AZ: 2013 is a Le Bourget year, correct? I have the feeling Airbus is already starting to collect orders for announcement during the air show. On a German
60 KarelXWB: Not a surprise, the 777 production list already listed the AA 77E's as 'not built'. Correct.[Edited 2013-03-08 00:57:23]
61 jumpjets: I am hoping that BA will announce an order for additional A380s at the, fairly inevitable, hand over ceremony for their first A380 later in the year.
62 WestWing: Boeing updates their public databases (on the orders & deliveries website) once a month, usually a week into the following month. For example, db
63 scouseflyer: Would agree that they'll probably get maybe another 10 or 15 and then about 30 779X or A3510 to replace the remaining 744s later in this decade.
64 kanban: Please this thread is about actuals.. not wishes...
65 rotating14: I am not sure if this is factual or not but it seems to be true. Anyone else wanna shed some light on this? http://www.forbes.com/sites/afonteve...-fi
66 Stitch: Air Berlin ordered 15 787-8s on 07 July 2007. Their CEO mentioned yesterday that they were considering converting some or all of those orders to the
67 Viscount724: Does anyone know how 737MAX orders break down between the MAX 7, MAX 8 and MAX 9? For some reason Boeing only shows a single "737MAX" entry in their o
68 Stitch: The best guestimate we have is the chart at http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm, which shows orders by model for the MAX and neo, though they are subj
69 Someone83: Was all the LH and TK Airbus orders firm? (excluding the options) Noticed at least the 6 777 to LX is yet to be firmed according to Boeing
70 Asiaflyer: According to media and Airbus has LHs Supervisory Board approved the purchase of 108 aircraft, and hence no firm orders signed yet. Re TK order says
71 Polot: Even if they are firm the order was only announced last Thursday- too late to make it onto Boeing's order page (which runs through last Tuesday). We
72 KarelXWB: We will not know for sure until the beginning of next month but Airbus tweeted that they now reached 2000+ NEO orders. That sounds like firm to me be
73 Someone83: According to Airbus, the giant 234 aircraft order from Lion Air (109 A320NEO, 65 A321NEO and 60 A320ceo) is firm http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr.
74 KarelXWB: Before the TK and LH order, Leahy said there are 300 CEO delivery slots left.
75 Pihero: ... and the total CEOs ordered by LH, TK and Lion is 115. So, some 185 slots left.
76 packsonflight: Silkway signs MoU for 4 747-8F to be delivered 14 and 15 Congrats to both parties! I wonder what the price was. It is a buyers market.... http://www.t
77 KarelXWB: Boeing has 3 delivering slots left in the beginning of 2014, I'm wondering if they will take 2 of those early slots.
78 queb: Following a Memorandum of Understanding in January 2013, Airbus announced a firm order for 16 A321neo aircraft from Hawaiian Airlines http://www.airbu
79 chiad: The NEO has almost done a knockout on the MAX lately. I think the last 5 orders of between them has gone to the NEO. Lets hope RyanAir follows up on
80 KarelXWB: Air Lease Corporation Announces the Placement of Two New Boeing 737-800s with transavia.com
81 someone83: Airbus march numbers are out: Firmed: Lion: 169 A320 and 65 A321 Hawaiian: 16 A321 Cancelled: 1 A319 and 1 A350 - AFAIK both ACJs
82 chiad: Thanks. A little off topic, but Airbus made 64 deliveries. That must be some kind of record, no?
83 KarelXWB: At least the delivery of 13 A330's last month is a record.
84 PanAm_DC10: BA have ordered another 18 787s according to the following report; IAG Order 18 More 787 For BA (by seansasLCY Apr 3 2013 in Civil Aviation)
85 chiad: Woa .. you're right. Amazing. I am curious about Boeings deliveries in March as they might be behind Airbus since the grounding of the B787. Will the
86 Stitch: Boeing delivered 55 aircraft in March, including one 787 to AI on the 28th (I am guessing this is L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – AI #6 which originally showed a
87 7BOEING7: Just as all 13 A330's weren't built in March neither were the "record" 10 787's delivered in December built in that month. All it says is that they m
88 KarelXWB: The 3 CX 747's are finally added to the list. Also 8 777's for an unidentified customer plus 8 cancellations. See http://active.boeing.com/commercial/
89 817Dreamliiner: More than likely the Conversion from CX cargo to Air China Cargo for 777Fs. Also 12 UFO and 4 737s for ANA as well. I guess the 4 for ANA are NGs?
92 queb: Air Transat? http://www.newswire.ca/fr/story/1140...ize-medium-haul-operations-in-2014
93 KarelXWB: No, Boeing tweeted: "Russia's Sberbank orders 12 #Boeing 737-800s for leasing subsidiary, to be operated by Transaero."
94 817Dreamliiner: Actually, No... Of all people, Boeing just tweeted that 12 737s were ordered by Sberbank to be operated by Transaero. New order that just happen to b
96 col: Why is it meaningless. Have they delivered that many before, or do you expect them to break it later, say next month? Well done Airbus, and I am sure
97 7BOEING7: Deliveries and sales over a month time frame is too short a sample. The first time you make a new # airplanes per month -- it's a record, the first t
98 col: Airbus 13 deliveries is going to be down to Airline delivery requirements. Production makes those frames available when they are needed. Works same f
99 phxa340: Please stop derailing this thread and stick to Airbus and Boeing orders ....
100 Hamlet69: Let's see if I can do that. . . Details of the first 3 months: Airbus Orders Air Lease Corp. - 14 A321neo, 20 A350-900 & 5 A350-1000 American Air
102 someone83: Identified in this weeks update, i.e, the 14 can now be split into: Sberbank - 12 737-800 (for Transaero) Unidentified - 2 737-800
103 KarelXWB: The Airbus TK order will be firmed today. "Today our CEO Fabrice Brégier is in Istanbul signing the purchase order for up to 117 #A320 Family aircraf
106 KarelXWB: Boeing sold 50 737 Max aircraft to an unidentified customer. http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm[Edited 2013-04-25 13:14:51]
107 scbriml: China buys 18 A330 and 42 A320s. http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/press...s-gta-with-airbus-for-60-aircraft/
108 Someone83: Although in the MoU/Commitments category: 6 A330-300 and 4 A350-900 for SriLankan http://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/sri...-10-airbus-aircraft-213911463
109 PM: What happened to the A330(s?) they were meant to be getting a couple of years back?
110 someone83: Boeing's weekly orders overview is showing one order for a 777BBJ and five 747s cancellations
111 fun2fly: I guess that's part of the 1.5 per month production cut. Who's frames?
112 KarelXWB: Boeing confirms Dubai Aerospace Enterprise has canceled the last five of its 747-8Fs on order.[Edited 2013-05-02 10:34:15]
113 rotating14: It's the end of an era gentlemen .... it like watching a whale drowning in a fisherman's net. Sad.
114 7BOEING7: Based on DAE's other cancellations I think Boeing has been expecting this for quite some time. One could of said that back in 1984 when only 16 were
116 chiad: Net orders so far for 2013 - 493. 202 deliveries. No A380 delivered in April.
117 KarelXWB: Tiger Airways Places order for 38 Airbus A320 Aircraft http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...r-airways-places-order-for-38.html A few more and the A3
118 mjoelnir: Deliveries of A330 over in Q1 were also a record with 26 and you can not say that this were frames not delivered in 2012, as deliveries of A330 durin
123 sirtoby: According to german news magazine FOCUS Air China will buy 100 Airbus aircraft. No further information though... http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/wi.
124 Cerecl: Google translate seems to suggest that the report mentioned that CA planed to expand their Airbus fleet to 100 rather than buying 100 Airbus aircraft
125 sirtoby: The translation is wrong. The article says that 100 Airbus aircraft will be added to the fleet. Also Air China will offload 6 A340's.
126 Cerecl: The A340 part was known. However, the Airbus fleet of CA are generally fairly young. Another 100 Airbus? Addendum: Confirmed by a Chinese news source
127 KarelXWB: Emirates may have a nice surprise for the Dubai Airshow later this year. http://www.aero.de/news-17423/Emirat...n-Mega-Auftrag-fuer-Airbus-an.html
128 sirtoby: Another source: http://www.4-traders.com/AIR-CHINA-L...100-Aircraft-from-Airbus-16831128/ Don't know where the 70 orders from China Eastern and China
131 frigatebird: Hmm, hardly a suprise, 30 more A380's Unless it will be -900s The real question will be: will EK officially kick-off the 777-9 launch with an order o
132 KarelXWB: 5 new Boeing orders: 1 77W for KL, 2 77W and 2 737 for an unidentified customer. http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
133 KarelXWB: Looks like Jet Airways is behind the order of 50 737 Max aircraft: - The Mumbai-based airline has placed an order last month for 50 of Boeing's newes
134 KarelXWB: About that possible JL A350 order, French president Hollande is scheduled to visit Japan from 6 to 8 June
135 kanban: we have strived to keep this thread to actual sales confirmed by the manufacturers.. and speculation posts should be diverted to separate threads. ot
137 817Dreamliiner: It looks like it belongs to Turkish Airlines http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2675
138 someone83: No, this one was a commitment/MoU announced last month. The 50 UFOs in Boeings spreadsheet is another firm order the way I understand it
139 KarelXWB: That's how I understand it too. The TK order is the MoU from April 9, see http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2646
140 sirtoby: My guess is that the UFO order is firm Jet Airways.
142 817Dreamliiner: Sorry, you're right, I forgot about the Jet Airways order. My mistake.
143 KarelXWB: Boeing and Southwest Airlines are launching the 737 Max 7; Southwest converts its existing 30 NG 737 orders to 737 Max 7s. http://boeing.mediaroom.com
144 817Dreamliiner: Good to see the MAX 7 finally getting an order, hopefully more will follow. Total MAX orders now at 1315[Edited 2013-05-15 08:43:03]
145 SEPilot: I guess that means that WN is not going to go to the 738 as its standard size.
146 Stitch: 30 frames is less than 10% of their 737-700 fleet, to say nothing of their 737-300+737-700 fleet, so perhaps WN still has missions that cannot justif
147 rotating14: I saw on Wiki that Boeing has 36 773-ER and 10 772 freighters for an unidentified customer?? Am I late on this or is this new?? http://en.wikipedia.or
148 Stitch: That is the total for all UFOs, so it is for multiple unidentified customers. That being said, 30 of the 77W were ordered on 17 December 2012 and 8 o
149 SEPilot: That seems to be the case; also WN has so many 737-700's that phasing them out would take a long time anyway. But I thought perhaps that they would o
150 Someone83: Three additional A330-300 for Oman, although haven't seen anything about delivery time
151 kanban: Boeing sales 6 777 to Swiss 101 737 to unidentified minus 24 737 cust not specified http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
152 queb: there are 61 MAX a/c among the 101 737 https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/337596439700054018[Edited 2013-05-23 09:24:58]
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