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Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013  
User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 58890 times:
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Boeing starts off 2013 with a top-up order for two 737s for an Unidentified Customer.

In other news, BA is taking two new 777-300ERs via lease from Air Lease Corporation with delivery planned in May and July of 2014.

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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 58839 times:

Nice for BA and ALC, but this seems to be not a new order for Boeing.

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 58565 times:
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Quoting robffm2 (Reply 1):
Nice for BA and ALC, but this seems to be not a new order for Boeing.

It is not. ALC ordered the planes in 2011.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 58390 times:
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5 737 cancelations noted last year are identified as Blue Air
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...n-boeing-737-order.html?cmpid=yhoo


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 57723 times:
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American Airlines today disclosed in a Securities and Exchange filing that they have reached an agreement to confirm their 42 frame 787-9 MoU, though they have changed the mix of planes to 20 787-8s and 22 787-9s. They have also entered into a definitive agreement the 100 frame 737 MAX order, though they appear to be getting a price reduction from whatever they agreed to on the MoU.

American and Airbus also signed a definitive agreement last Friday (11 January) for American’s purchase of 260 aircraft from the Airbus A320 family.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...dreamliners-in-november-2014.html/

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...CFGFG%7Ctwitterfeed%7CFlightglobal

[Edited 2013-01-14 16:14:42]

User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 57374 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
They have also entered into a definitive agreement the 100 frame 737 MAX order, though they appear to be getting a price reduction from whatever they agreed to on the MoU.

Well .. this orders had been noted as firm in Boeing's book since summer 2011.
 


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 57048 times:
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Quoting Chiad (Reply 5):
Well .. this orders had been noted as firm in Boeing's book since summer 2011.

AA placed a firm order for 100 737-800s on 27 July 2011. This is the order that appears on Boeing's O&D site. The MAX order has yet to be posted.


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 56955 times:

Another Airbus announcement:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Airbus/status/291185578815410176?p=v

"First success in Africa for the #A320neo with Syphax Airlines! They’ve signed an agreement for 3 A320neo & 3 A320ceo aircraft."


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 56199 times:
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Another quiet week for Boeing with no announced orders. Current tally for the year remains 2 UFO 737-800s.

I don't believe Airbus has announced any 2013 orders as of yet (the 2013 announcements to date were booked in 2012).


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 56124 times:

So far Airbus sold 10 A350s this month.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...350-xwb-aircraft-to-its-portfolio/



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 56037 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
So far Airbus sold 10 A350s this month.

No, tat order was signed at the end of Dec. 2012. It is included in Airbus's 2012 order count.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 56013 times:

It's not in the 2012 order book.

http://www.airbus.com/company/market/orders-deliveries/

Flightglobal also reported that this one is a 2013 order.



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 hour ago) and read 55590 times:

No changes in Boeing's order books this week neither

User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 55124 times:

TK has ordered additional five A330-300, although yet to be firmed by Airbus

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...es-orders-five-more-a330-300s-0201


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 54517 times:

Second A350 order for the year: Lessor Air Lease orders five A350-1000s and 20 A350-900s.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...west-most-fuel-efficient-aircraft/

[Edited 2013-02-04 03:43:49]


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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 54488 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
Second A350 order for the year: Lessor Air Lease orders five A350-1000s and 20 A350-900s.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...raft/

Plus another 14 A321neo if I read the press release correctly.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12394 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 54341 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
Second A350 order for the year: Lessor Air Lease orders five A350-1000s and 20 A350-900s.

That's a nice order and positive news for the much-maligned (on a.net at least) -1000.   

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 15):
Plus another 14 A321neo if I read the press release correctly.

It certainly reads that way.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 54318 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 16):
and positive news for the much-maligned (on a.net at least) -1000.

Plus another five options for the -1000.

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 15):
Plus another 14 A321neo if I read the press release correctly.

If I understand it correctly they firmed the 14 Farnborough options.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 54255 times:

“The A350 XWB Family is becoming the industry benchmark for efficiency in the long haul segment, and the A320neo Family is ideal for airlines operating short to medium haul missions. These aircraft will help airlines grow their businesses while simultaneously reducing their operating costs and emissions,” said Steven F. Udvar-Házy.

Hmmm. Interesting.


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 54020 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 13):
TK has ordered additional five A330-300, although yet to be firmed by Airbus

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...-0201

Appears to be for two firm and three optional A330-300s.



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User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2373 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 53887 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 18):
Hmmm. Interesting

Indeed!

Off course one could easily replace "A350 XWB Family" by B787 Family" and "A320neo Family" by B737 MAX Family, and the same statement would be equally true:

"The B787 Family is [becoming] the industry benchmark for efficiency in the long haul segment, and the B737 MAX Family is ideal for airlines operating short to medium haul missions. These aircraft will help airlines grow their businesses while simultaneously reducing their operating costs and emissions,” said Steven F. Udvar-Házy"


EDIT: Apologies PM, if offended. Just realized your comment was not aimed at B, but rather towards SUH, who's words on the -1000 and redesign/delay saga were of a quite different nature not so long ago . . .

PW100

[Edited 2013-02-04 08:31:02]


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User currently offlineServantLeader From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 53807 times:

It's a buyer's market with the B787 grounded indefinitely and the A350 a year away from going into service -- I'd put my money on the A350 assuming they can learn from Boeing's mistakes.

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 53340 times:

Quoting PW100 (Reply 20):
EDIT: Apologies PM, if offended. Just realized your comment was not aimed at B, but rather towards SUH

No offence taken!  

And yes, I was more amused by Sir SUH's comments than taking any kind of swipe at Boeing.

And why would I knock Boeing less than twelve hours before boarding a 747-8i with two more 747-8i flights to come next week?         

In Business!      


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 52888 times:

AA firms 100 737 Max, 1 777 and 42 787 aircraft.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

[Edited 2013-02-07 10:33:25]


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 52830 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):
AA firms 100 737 Max, 1 777 and 42 787 aircraft.

Good day for GE, as the 787s will have GEnx, the 77W has GE90 and the MAX will have CFM (of which GE is a major partner).


User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 53011 times:
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Airbus' AA orders also on the books

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/co...ate-information/orders-deliveries/


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 26, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 52883 times:

Interesting, I'm missing the 100 A320ceo aircraft?


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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3875 posts, RR: 5
Reply 27, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 53525 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 26):
Interesting, I'm missing the 100 A320ceo aircraft?

Supposed to be filled through lessors.


User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 28, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 53361 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 27):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 26):Interesting, I'm missing the 100 A320ceo aircraft?
Supposed to be filled through lessors.

130 to be precise!


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 29, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 53352 times:

Are you sure? I thought it was 130x A320neo and 100x A320ceo.


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User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4392 posts, RR: 76
Reply 30, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 53377 times:
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3...The largest order was from U.S.-based American Airlines for 130 A321neo jetliner variants, adding another operator to the growing list of A320neo Family customers – and making this the biggest single A321neo acquisition in Airbus’ order book."
Apparently the 130 orders are all for 321 Neos.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 31, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 53294 times:

Spectacular, that's almost half of the total A321neo backlog.


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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12394 posts, RR: 46
Reply 32, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 53242 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 29):
Are you sure? I thought it was 130x A320neo and 100x A320ceo.

No, it was 130 of each. Plus a few options. Well, 365 actually.  Wow!http://www.aa.com/i18n/amrcorp/newsroom/fp_amr_fleet_agreement.jsp

Quote:
American also will acquire a total of 260 Airbus aircraft from the A320 Family and will have 365 options and purchase rights for additional aircraft. American has the flexibility to convert its delivery positions into variants within the A320 Family, including the A319 and A321.

American will take delivery of 130 current-generation Airbus aircraft beginning in 2013. Beginning in 2017 American will begin taking delivery of 130 aircraft from the A320neo (New Engine Option) Family featuring next-generation engine technology. The new aircraft are approximately 15 percent more fuel efficient than today's models. American will be the first network airline in the U.S. to deploy this new-technology aircraft.



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 52814 times:

I don't believe the AA order should be counted for Airbus in 2013. It was was a firm order placed in 2011 that Airbus changed from saying it was firm to a commitment after they entered BK. Airbus did this, not American. They shouldn't be able to take sales from one year and move them to another like they are claiming. Even airbus's own release from July 2011 said they had signed for a firm contract.

Either that, or they lie about their true firm order numbers.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 34, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 52780 times:
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Airbus booked the orders in 2011 and then unbooked them that same year. So they did not count towards Airbus' final 2011 order total and there is no lying on Airbus' part.

If AA had cancelled the order in 2011 and then placed it again in 2013, would you accuse Airbus of lying if they unbooked the orders in 2011 and rebooked them in 2013?


User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 52630 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 34):

But thats what I'm saying, American didn't "un order" them. Based off what I was reading, and the way it was worded, makes it sound like it was solely an Airbus decision.

However, after doing a little more research, I have found proof that they did indeed not include them in 2011 even though JL want too, so I will retract my statement. However, I don't agree with the whole switching orders to commitments in the first place as everybody knew they weren't going to be dropped. Hell they we're still ordering aircraft in the begin stages of BK.



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User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 52392 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 35):
But thats what I'm saying, American didn't "un order" them.

I think Airbus did correctly by removing a firm orders that they knew would be renegotiated upon bankruptcy.
They did so openly because (IMHO) they knew AA would never be liquidated, the order was so fresh and EIS would be 4 year into the future.
Whatever their order-book sacrificed then they enjoy now.
All is in order.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 37, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 51900 times:

If I'm getting it correctly Airbus also showed cancelletions of 2 A318(ACJ) and 17 A320ceo?

User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 38, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 51894 times:

The 17 A320ceo came from Aircraft Purchase Fleet, the Alitalia Leasing vehicle

User currently offlinejdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 351 posts, RR: 7
Reply 39, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 51665 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 33):

Hi, I was going to point you to the 2011 Final order count where they had a slide specially for tell that they took that order away from the orderbook, but you said you already found something similar...

The reason was that AA filled for bankruptcy and apparently, by law, after that, the "bankruptcy court" will need to re-approve any outstanding order, then from Airbus point of view, the order wasn't firm because they needed that final approval, that came just a few weeks ago.
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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 40, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 51428 times:
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Quoting sirtoby (Reply 38):
The 17 A320ceo (cancellations) came from Aircraft Purchase Fleet, the Alitalia Leasing vehicle.

I wonder if their 12-frame A350-800 order is at risk?


User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4392 posts, RR: 76
Reply 41, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 51398 times:
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So What's the score, so far ?


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 42, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 51525 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 41):
So What's the score, so far ?

Gross:
Airbus: 140
Boeing: 145

Net:
Airbus: 121
Boeing: 145

Quoting Stitch (Reply 40):
I wonder if their 12-frame A350-800 order is at risk?

Alitalia is struggling, I can see them canceling the A350 order. However, the airline said 'the worst is over' and they expect to be profitable again this year.

Aircraft Purchase Fleet could also find another airline who wants to lease those A350's. Too much possibilities for now, we'll see.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 43, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 50803 times:

Icelandair finalizes order for 16 737 Max.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ir-increases-737-max-order-382267/



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 44, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 50314 times:

ALC also firmed five 737s this week

Quote:

Icelandair finalizes order for 16 737 Max.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ir-increases-737-max-order-382267/

The MoU/Commitment/whatever from last year was for 12 aircrafts, so seems like the order has grown?

[Edited 2013-02-17 09:54:48]

User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 50215 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 44):
The MoU/Commitment/whatever from last year was for 12 aircrafts, so seems like the order has grown?

Competent People (Hamlet 69 maybe?) said that the 4 extra are converted coptions


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 46, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 49662 times:

The Icelandair mix seems to be for 9 -8MAX and 7 -9MAX

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 47, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 49631 times:

Qantas will place an order for 5 B737-800 aircraft.

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...a330-200s-order-five-new-b737-800s



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 48, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 48858 times:

Air Lease Corporation Announce Order for 10 777-300ERs

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2608



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 49, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 48449 times:
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Cathay Pacific today announced they are ordering three 747-8Fs and canceling their order for eight 777 freighters. They did add five options for the 777 freighter and have sold four 747-400BCFs to Boeing.

Air China today announced they are ordering two 747-8 Intercontinentals, one 777-300ER, eight 777 freighters and 20 737-800s. They also will sell back seven 747-400BCFs to Boeing.

Air China Cargo had intended to order three 747-8Fs, but sold those positions to Cathay Pacific Cargo in exchange for all eight of their 777 freighter positions.

Cathay Pacific HK Stock Exchange Announcement - http://www.hkexnews.hk/listedco/listconews...01303011355.pdf

Air China Announcement [Chinese] - http://stock.sohu.com/20130301/n367554155.shtml


User currently offlineiceberg210 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 48361 times:

Boeing has got to be loving this, another 5 747-8's in the books, (orders they need to keep production at the current rate) and they didn't have to lose any net 777 orders to do it... Nicely done of swapping around slots Boeing...


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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 48197 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 49):
Cathay Pacific today announced they are ordering three 747-8Fs and canceling their order for eight 777 freighters. They did add five options for the 777 freighter and have sold four 747-400BCFs to Boeing.

Air China today announced they are ordering two 747-8 Intercontinentals, one 777-300ER, eight 777 freighters and 20 737-800s. They also will sell back seven 747-400BCFs to Boeing.

Does Boeing make any money off of these deals where they buy back their own metal?


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 52, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 48436 times:
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Quoting rotating14 (Reply 51):
Does Boeing make any money off of these deals where they buy back their own metal?

Down the road, they probably do. They can either re-sell the plane or use them to re-stock their spares stores and sell them on in pieces.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 47896 times:

The Airbus net orders for 2013 reached 162 aircraft; the company sold 41 aircraft in February.

- 25x A350
- 2x A330
- 14x A321neo

Also 45 deliveries last month:

- 35x A320
- 8x A330
- 2x A380



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User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 47443 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 53):
Also 45 deliveries last month:

Thanks KarelXWB

I read that Airbus expected some 600+ deliveries in 2013. That's some 50 deliveries in average per months.
So far there are "only" a total of 80 deliveries for the two first months.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 47440 times:

Airbus will soon increase the A320 production to 42 units per month, and the A330 will go to 10 per month. Secondly, Airbus usually delivers a bit more aircraft in the second half of the year.

[Edited 2013-03-07 07:34:15]


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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 56, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 47398 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 55):
Secondly, Airbus usually delivers a bit more aircraft in the second half of the year.

And January is always a quiet month in terms of deliveries


Boeing updated theri weekly sheets today showing the current new orders:
-ALC: 10 777-300ER
-GECAS: 4 737
-Qantas: 5 737-800
-United: 8 737 (not sure about the type)
-Cancallations: -2 737s

[Edited 2013-03-07 07:54:45]

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 57, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 47022 times:

Boeing also updated the monthly report. It confirms that AA converted their remaining five 77E orders to 77Ws.


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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 58, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 46977 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 57):

Boeing also updated the monthly report. It confirms that AA converted their remaining five 77E orders to 77Ws.

How do you find this report where conversions can be seen?


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2695 posts, RR: 25
Reply 59, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 46854 times:

2013 is a Le Bourget year, correct? I have the feeling Airbus is already starting to collect orders for announcement during the air show. On a German aviation forum there was the word that CX might place a VLA-order during the show.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 60, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 46731 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 57):
Boeing also updated the monthly report. It confirms that AA converted their remaining five 77E orders to 77Ws.

Not a surprise, the 777 production list already listed the AA 77E's as 'not built'.

Quote:
2013 is a Le Bourget year, correct?

Correct.

[Edited 2013-03-08 00:57:23]


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User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 793 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 46580 times:

I am hoping that BA will announce an order for additional A380s at the, fairly inevitable, hand over ceremony for their first A380 later in the year. Though I wouldn't object if they made such an announcement earlier in the year.

The 12 they have on order won't give many routes if the 3 they are getting this year will only allow 1 daily to HKG and 5 a week to LAX -so IMHO they need maybe another 12 in the pipeline for longer term developments.


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 62, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 46384 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 58):
How do you find this report where conversions can be seen?


Boeing updates their public databases (on the orders & deliveries website) once a month, usually a week into the following month. For example, db was updated yesterday to encompass all orders till Feb 2013.

For AA, up to and including January 2013, the Boeing database was still showing five remaining 77Es for AA. AA had been converting one at a time, but there were still five 77Es with RRs left on the order book.

In early Feb, around the time when AA ordered one more 77W, the CEO was quoted in a trade journal referencing "five more 777-300ERs", which was obviously a reference to the conversion of these final five frames.

So, to cut a long story short, the difference between the January-end and February-end Boeing database for AA shows +6 77Ws and -5 77Es.



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User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3381 posts, RR: 9
Reply 63, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 46301 times:

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 61):

I am hoping that BA will announce an order for additional A380s at the, fairly inevitable, hand over ceremony for their first A380 later in the year. Though I wouldn't object if they made such an announcement earlier in the year.

The 12 they have on order won't give many routes if the 3 they are getting this year will only allow 1 daily to HKG and 5 a week to LAX -so IMHO they need maybe another 12 in the pipeline for longer term developments.

Would agree that they'll probably get maybe another 10 or 15 and then about 30 779X or A3510 to replace the remaining 744s later in this decade.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 64, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 46087 times:
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Quoting jumpjets (Reply 61):
I am hoping that BA will announce an order for additional A380s at the, fairly inevitable, hand over ceremony for their first A380 later in the year.

Please this thread is about actuals.. not wishes...


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 45993 times:

I am not sure if this is factual or not but it seems to be true. Anyone else wanna shed some light on this?


http://www.forbes.com/sites/afonteve...-figure-out-cause-of-battery-fire/

Quote:
Boeing is still waiting for approval from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) on potential fixes to begin test-flying the 787, but it continues to receive orders for the Dreamliner, with Air Berlin announcing an order for 15 units on Tuesday..


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 66, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 46034 times:
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Quoting rotating14 (Reply 65):
I am not sure if this is factual or not but it seems to be true. Anyone else wanna shed some light on this?

Air Berlin ordered 15 787-8s on 07 July 2007. Their CEO mentioned yesterday that they were considering converting some or all of those orders to the 787-9.

So it's the usual p**s-poor reporting that Forbes has unfortunately become known for.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24891 posts, RR: 22
Reply 67, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 45471 times:

Does anyone know how 737MAX orders break down between the MAX 7, MAX 8 and MAX 9? For some reason Boeing only shows a single "737MAX" entry in their orders and deliveries data without indicating orders for the individual models like they do for all earlier 737s and every other Boeing type.

I can't even find anything in the Airbus orders/deliveries tabulation that shows orders for the A319/320/321 NEO family. Does anyone have that number including the individual models and where do you find the data?

I've always found Airbus orders/deliveries information much less user-friendly than the Boeing equivalent which allows you to create your own reports using various parameters. Boeing also shows order and delivery dates which I've never been able to find in the Airbus website. They just seem to show totals for each year.

[Edited 2013-03-09 17:42:28]

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 68, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 45477 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 67):
Does anyone know how 737MAX orders break down between the MAX 7, MAX 8 and MAX 9?

The best guestimate we have is the chart at http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm, which shows orders by model for the MAX and neo, though they are subject to change since customers likely have the right to swap models prior to delivery:

A319neo 26
A320neo 1566
A321neo 286

737-7 0
737-8 1026
737-9 154


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 69, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 44863 times:

Was all the LH and TK Airbus orders firm? (excluding the options) Noticed at least the 6 777 to LX is yet to be firmed according to Boeing

User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 44462 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 69):
Was all the LH and TK Airbus orders firm? (excluding the options) Noticed at least the 6 777 to LX is yet to be firmed according to Boeing


According to media and Airbus has LHs Supervisory Board approved the purchase of 108 aircraft, and hence no firm orders signed yet.
Re TK order says Airbus press release the TK has signed a contract, which IMO is not yet a firm order.



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User currently onlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2129 posts, RR: 1
Reply 71, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 44463 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 69):
Was all the LH and TK Airbus orders firm? (excluding the options) Noticed at least the 6 777 to LX is yet to be firmed according to Boeing
Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 70):

According to media and Airbus has LHs Supervisory Board approved the purchase of 108 aircraft, and hence no firm orders signed yet.

Even if they are firm the order was only announced last Thursday- too late to make it onto Boeing's order page (which runs through last Tuesday). We will see this Thursday if they are firm.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 72, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 44018 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 69):
Was all the LH and TK Airbus orders firm? (excluding the options) Noticed at least the 6 777 to LX is yet to be firmed according to Boeing

We will not know for sure until the beginning of next month but Airbus tweeted that they now reached 2000+ NEO orders. That sounds like firm to me because with commitments only, they reached the 2000 barrier way earlier.



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 73, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 43617 times:

According to Airbus, the giant 234 aircraft order from Lion Air (109 A320NEO, 65 A321NEO and 60 A320ceo) is firm

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...r-orders-234-a320-family-aircraft/

Does anyone have an estimate on how many A32x-ceo Airbus need to sell to be fully booked until the NEO arrives?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 74, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 43584 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 73):
Does anyone have an estimate on how many A32x-ceo Airbus need to sell to be fully booked until the NEO arrives?

Before the TK and LH order, Leahy said there are 300 CEO delivery slots left.



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User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4392 posts, RR: 76
Reply 75, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 43523 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 74):
Before the TK and LH order, Leahy said there are 300 CEO delivery slots left.

... and the total CEOs ordered by LH, TK and Lion is 115.
So, some 185 slots left.



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User currently offlinepacksonflight From Iceland, joined Jan 2010, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 42798 times:

Silkway signs MoU for 4 747-8F to be delivered 14 and 15 Congrats to both parties!

I wonder what the price was. It is a buyers market....

http://www.topnews.az/en/news/46202/...th-Boeing-for-7478-Freighters.html


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 77, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 43213 times:

Boeing has 3 delivering slots left in the beginning of 2014, I'm wondering if they will take 2 of those early slots.


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User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 655 posts, RR: 3
Reply 78, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 42471 times:

Following a Memorandum of Understanding in January 2013, Airbus announced a firm order for 16 A321neo aircraft from Hawaiian Airlines

http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/newse...rlines-orders-16-a321neo-aircraft/


User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 42266 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 78):
Following a Memorandum of Understanding in January 2013, Airbus announced a firm order for 16 A321neo aircraft from Hawaiian Airlines

The NEO has almost done a knockout on the MAX lately. I think the last 5 orders of between them has gone to the NEO.
Lets hope RyanAir follows up on the talk of a MAX order before years end.
The NEO's backlog is getting interestingly close to double the MAX' backlog


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 80, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 41525 times:

Air Lease Corporation Announces the Placement of Two New Boeing 737-800s with transavia.com


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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 81, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 41001 times:

Airbus march numbers are out:

Firmed:
Lion: 169 A320 and 65 A321
Hawaiian: 16 A321

Cancelled:
1 A319 and 1 A350 - AFAIK both ACJs


User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 40768 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 81):
Airbus march numbers are out:

Thanks.
A little off topic, but Airbus made 64 deliveries.
That must be some kind of record, no?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 83, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 40781 times:

Quoting chiad (Reply 82):
A little off topic, but Airbus made 64 deliveries.
That must be some kind of record, no?

At least the delivery of 13 A330's last month is a record.



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 90
Reply 84, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 40711 times:
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BA have ordered another 18 787s according to the following report;

IAG Order 18 More 787 For BA (by seansasLCY Apr 3 2013 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 40342 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 83):
At least the delivery of 13 A330's last month is a record.

Woa .. you're right.
Amazing.

I am curious about Boeings deliveries in March as they might be behind Airbus since the grounding of the B787.
Will these stockpiled frames be delivered later this year or has Boeing halted the whole of the B787 line?


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 86, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 40237 times:
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Quoting chiad (Reply 85):
I am curious about Boeings deliveries in March as they might be behind Airbus since the grounding of the B787.

Boeing delivered 55 aircraft in March, including one 787 to AI on the 28th (I am guessing this is L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – AI #6 which originally showed as delivered on 1/2/2013 and subsequently removed from the delivery reports).

Quoting chiad (Reply 85):
Will these stockpiled frames be delivered later this year or has Boeing halted the whole of the B787 line?

Boeing continues to produce the 787 at the current rate of five per month across PAE and CHS.


User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1509 posts, RR: 8
Reply 87, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 40152 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 83):
At least the delivery of 13 A330's last month is a record.

Just as all 13 A330's weren't built in March neither were the "record" 10 787's delivered in December built in that month. All it says is that they missed deliveries in previous months.

Quoting chiad (Reply 85):
Will these stockpiled frames be delivered later this year or has Boeing halted the whole of the B787 line?

Boeing has continued to build the 787 and assuming the grounding gets lifted soon they should be able to deliver all the airplanes they had previously forecasted for 2013.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 88, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 39994 times:

The 3 CX 747's are finally added to the list. Also 8 777's for an unidentified customer plus 8 cancellations.

See http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 87):
Just as all 13 A330's weren't built in March

I did not claim that they were built in March   That's also not possible because it takes about 2 months between entering final assembly and getting delivered.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 87):
All it says is that they missed deliveries in previous months.

Of course it is. I'm just saying the delivery of 13 units is a month record for Airbus.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 89, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 39947 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 88):
Also 8 777's for an unidentified customer plus 8 cancellations.

More than likely the Conversion from CX cargo to Air China Cargo for 777Fs.

Also 12 UFO and 4 737s for ANA as well. I guess the 4 for ANA are NGs?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 90, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 39911 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 89):
More than likely the Conversion from CX cargo to Air China Cargo for 777Fs.

Oh yes, how could I forget those.



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User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1509 posts, RR: 8
Reply 91, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 39926 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 88):
Of course it is. I'm just saying the delivery of 13 units is a month record for Airbus.

A meaningless record.


User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 655 posts, RR: 3
Reply 92, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 39850 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 89):
Also 12 UFO 737s

Air Transat?

http://www.newswire.ca/fr/story/1140...ize-medium-haul-operations-in-2014


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 93, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 39828 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 92):
Air Transat?

No, Boeing tweeted:

"Russia's Sberbank orders 12 #Boeing 737-800s for leasing subsidiary, to be operated by Transaero."



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 94, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 39839 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 92):
Air Transat?

Actually, No... Of all people, Boeing just tweeted that 12 737s were ordered by Sberbank to be operated by Transaero. New order that just happen to be 12 737s? I dont know. But if its the UFO order, then what was the point of not identifying it initially?



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User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 655 posts, RR: 3
Reply 95, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 39793 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 93):
No, Boeing tweeted:

"Russia's Sberbank orders 12 #Boeing 737-800s for leasing subsidiary, to be operated by Transaero."

Are you sure it's the same order?


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2093 posts, RR: 22
Reply 96, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 39564 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 91):
A meaningless record.

Why is it meaningless. Have they delivered that many before, or do you expect them to break it later, say next month?

Well done Airbus, and I am sure we will be seeing 787's breaking delivery records this year also. Guess you won't mind us celebrating those milestones.


User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1509 posts, RR: 8
Reply 97, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 39529 times:

Quoting col (Reply 96):
Why is it meaningless. Have they delivered that many before, or do you expect them to break it later, say next month?

Deliveries and sales over a month time frame is too short a sample.

The first time you make a new # airplanes per month -- it's a record, the first time you deliver ### airplanes over a year -- it's a record and the first time you sell #### airplanes in a year -- it's a record (and there are many more examples) but, the first time you happen to deliver ## airplanes a month simply because you couldn't get them out the door the previous month, not so much a record.

Quoting col (Reply 96):
Well done Airbus, and I am sure we will be seeing 787's breaking delivery records this year also. Guess you won't mind us celebrating those milestones.

Actually I will because it will be as meaningless as the A330 record. The only records I'm expecting to see the 787 break this year are # of airplanes pushed out of the factory in a month and total ## for the year and even these are suspect as it's not a mature program yet.


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2093 posts, RR: 22
Reply 98, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 39541 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 97):
Deliveries and sales over a month time frame is too short a sample.

The first time you make a new # airplanes per month -- it's a record, the first time you deliver ### airplanes over a year -- it's a record and the first time you sell #### airplanes in a year -- it's a record (and there are many more examples) but, the first time you happen to deliver ## airplanes a month simply because you couldn't get them out the door the previous month, not so much a record.

Airbus 13 deliveries is going to be down to Airline delivery requirements. Production makes those frames available when they are needed. Works same for Boeing, they supplied 11 777's in the same month, but production is 8.3 per month. Did they miss on deliveries the month before, I would guess that both lines are doing well and hitting their requirements giving us some good records going forward.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 97):
Actually I will because it will be as meaningless as the A330 record. The only records I'm expecting to see the 787 break this year are # of airplanes pushed out of the factory in a month and total ## for the year and even these are suspect as it's not a mature program yet.

I am half full glass guy. I like to see both Airbus and Boeing growing and delivering more. If the 787 breaks the delivery record every month from when it re-enters service I want to hear it, because it does have a meaning. It tells us how the program is performing.


User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 99, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 39424 times:

Quoting col (Reply 98):

Please stop derailing this thread and stick to Airbus and Boeing orders ....


User currently onlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 100, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 39114 times:

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 99):
Please stop derailing this thread and stick to Airbus and Boeing orders ....

Let's see if I can do that. . .  

Details of the first 3 months:


Airbus

Orders
Air Lease Corp. - 14 A321neo, 20 A350-900 & 5 A350-1000
American Airlines - 130 A321neo
CIT Leasing - 10 A350-900
Hawaiian Airlines - 16 A321neo
Lion Air - 60 A320, 109 A320neo & 65 A321neo
Turkish Airlines - 2 A330-300

Cancellations
Airbus Corporate Jets - 2 A318, 1 A319 & 1 A350-900
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 17 A320

Conversions
Afriqiyah Airlines - 2 A330-200 to 2 A330-300
Aviation Capital Group - 6 A320 to 6 A321
GE Capital - 1 A320 to 1 A321
ICBC - 12 A320 to 2 A319 & 10 A321
Intrepid Aviation - 3 A330-200F to 1 A330-200 & 2 A330-300
TAM - 6 A319 & 17 A320 to 23 A321


Boeing

Orders
Air Lease Corp. - 5 737-MAX & 10 777-300ER
All Nippon Airways - 4 737-800
American Airlines - 100 737-MAX, 1 777-300ER, 12 787-8 & 30 787-9
Cathay Pacific Airways - 3 747-8F
GE Capital - 4 737-800
Icelandair - 16 737-MAX
Qantas - 5 737-800
United Airlines - 8 737-900ER
Unidentified - 14 737-800 (12 looks to be Sberbank Leasing for TransAero), & 8 777F (Air China)

Cancellations
Air Berlin - 2 737-800
Aviation Capital Group - 1 737-800
Cathay Pacific Airways - 8 777F

Converstions
Aviation Capital Group - 5 737-700 to 5 737-800
American Airlines - 5 777-200ER to 5 777-300ER

Identified
American Airlines - 1 777-300ER


Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 101, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 38790 times:

Thanks for the overview ahamlet69  

User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 102, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 38301 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 100):
Unidentified - 14 737-800 (12 looks to be Sberbank Leasing for TransAero),

Identified in this weeks update, i.e, the 14 can now be split into:

Sberbank - 12 737-800 (for Transaero)
Unidentified - 2 737-800


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 103, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 37763 times:

The Airbus TK order will be firmed today.

"Today our CEO Fabrice Brégier is in Istanbul signing the purchase order for up to 117 #A320 Family aircraft with @TurkishAirlines"

http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/324442189872640003

[Edited 2013-04-17 01:43:44]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 104, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 37380 times:

And the deal is sealed.




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User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 37267 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 104):
And the deal is sealed.

Excellent!


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 106, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days ago) and read 36648 times:

Boeing sold 50 737 Max aircraft to an unidentified customer.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

[Edited 2013-04-25 13:14:51]


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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12394 posts, RR: 46
Reply 107, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 36414 times:
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China buys 18 A330 and 42 A320s.

http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/press...s-gta-with-airbus-for-60-aircraft/



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 108, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 35730 times:

Although in the MoU/Commitments category:

6 A330-300 and 4 A350-900 for SriLankan
http://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/sri...-10-airbus-aircraft-213911463.html

2 A320 for Nepal Airlines

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...rbus-a320-for-fleet-modernisation/


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 109, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 35446 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 108):
2 A320 for Nepal Airlines

What happened to the A330(s?) they were meant to be getting a couple of years back?


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 110, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 34882 times:

Boeing's weekly orders overview is showing one order for a 777BBJ and five 747s cancellations

User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 34862 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 110):
and five 747s cancellations

I guess that's part of the 1.5 per month production cut. Who's frames?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 112, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 34860 times:

Boeing confirms Dubai Aerospace Enterprise has canceled the last five of its 747-8Fs on order.

[Edited 2013-05-02 10:34:15]


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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 34774 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 110):
Boeing's weekly orders overview is showing one order for a 777BBJ and five 747s cancellations
Quoting fun2fly (Reply 111):
I guess that's part of the 1.5 per month production cut. Who's frames?
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112):
Boeing confirms Dubai Aerospace Enterprise has canceled the last five of its 747-8Fs on order

It's the end of an era gentlemen .... it like watching a whale drowning in a fisherman's net. Sad.


User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1509 posts, RR: 8
Reply 114, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 34585 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112):
Boeing confirms Dubai Aerospace Enterprise has canceled the last five of its 747-8Fs on order.

Based on DAE's other cancellations I think Boeing has been expecting this for quite some time.

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 113):
It's the end of an era gentlemen .... it like watching a whale drowning in a fisherman's net. Sad.

One could of said that back in 1984 when only 16 were delivered. Hmmmm, that was 30 years ago -- and it lives on.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 115, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 33748 times:

Airbus booked 83 orders last month.


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User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 33465 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 115):
Airbus booked 83 orders last month.

Net orders so far for 2013 - 493.
202 deliveries.
No A380 delivered in April.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 117, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 33405 times:

Tiger Airways Places order for 38 Airbus A320 Aircraft

http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...r-airways-places-order-for-38.html

A few more and the A320ceo delivery slots are down to 100  

[Edited 2013-05-07 06:00:08]


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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1365 posts, RR: 2
Reply 118, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 33345 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 97):
Deliveries and sales over a month time frame is too short a sample.

The first time you make a new # airplanes per month -- it's a record, the first time you deliver ### airplanes over a year -- it's a record and the first time you sell #### airplanes in a year -- it's a record (and there are many more examples) but, the first time you happen to deliver ## airplanes a month simply because you couldn't get them out the door the previous month, not so much a record.

Deliveries of A330 over in Q1 were also a record with 26 and you can not say that this were frames not delivered in 2012, as deliveries of A330 during 2012 were also a record, most deliveries of any wide body during a year.

So yes I think the number of 13 in march 2013 is significant.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 119, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 33331 times:

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 118):
So yes I think the number of 13 in march 2013 is significant.

And another 13 in April.



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User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 120, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 33335 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 117):
Tiger Airways Places order for 38 Airbus A320 Aircraft

Not sure if this is a new order for 38 aircraft. Tiger has an existing backlog of 24 A320 and Mandala another 25.


User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1365 posts, RR: 2
Reply 121, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 33308 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 117):
Tiger Airways Places order for 38 Airbus A320 Aircraft

http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...r-airways-places-order-for-38.html

A few more and the A320ceo backlog is down to 100

Are you talking of backlog or free slots?

I thought the backlog is growing not down to 100 frames.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 122, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 33286 times:

Ehh sorry, free slots indeed.


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User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 123, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 33293 times:

According to german news magazine FOCUS Air China will buy 100 Airbus aircraft. No further information though...

http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/wi...sauftrag-aus-china_aid_982951.html


User currently offlineCerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 727 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 33220 times:

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 123):
According to german news magazine FOCUS Air China will buy 100 Airbus aircraft. No further information though...

Google translate seems to suggest that the report mentioned that CA planed to expand their Airbus fleet to 100 rather than buying 100 Airbus aircrafts. I think neither scenario make much sense. CA's Airbus fleet is well over 100 (Its A320 family fleet size alone is 96 according to wiki), and I don't see CA placing an 100-frame order on its own.


User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 125, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 33219 times:

The translation is wrong. The article says that 100 Airbus aircraft will be added to the fleet. Also Air China will offload 6 A340's.

User currently offlineCerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 727 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 33208 times:

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 125):
The article says that 100 Airbus aircraft will be added to the fleet. Also Air China will offload 6 A340's.

The A340 part was known. However, the Airbus fleet of CA are generally fairly young. Another 100 Airbus?

Addendum: Confirmed by a Chinese news source

[Edited 2013-05-07 06:36:14]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 127, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 33735 times:

Emirates may have a nice surprise for the Dubai Airshow later this year.

http://www.aero.de/news-17423/Emirat...n-Mega-Auftrag-fuer-Airbus-an.html



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User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 128, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 33685 times:

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 124):
Google translate seems to suggest that the report mentioned that CA planed to expand their Airbus fleet to 100 rather than buying 100 Airbus aircrafts. I think neither scenario make much sense. CA's Airbus fleet is well over 100 (Its A320 family fleet size alone is 96 according to wiki), and I don't see CA placing an 100-frame order on its own.

Another source:
http://www.4-traders.com/AIR-CHINA-L...100-Aircraft-from-Airbus-16831128/

Don't know where the 70 orders from China Eastern and China Southern should have been booked. There is an order for an undiclosed customer for 60 A320's from December 2012 though.

[Edited 2013-05-07 06:46:57]

User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3381 posts, RR: 9
Reply 129, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 33689 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 127):
Emirates may have a nice surprise for the Dubai Airshow later this year.

http://www.aero.de/news-17423/Emirat....html

Is that another 30 A380 ?


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Reply 130, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 33655 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 129):
Is that another 30 A380 ?

Yes!


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 131, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 33644 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 127):
Emirates may have a nice surprise for the Dubai Airshow later this year.
Quoting sirtoby (Reply 130):
Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 129):Is that another 30 A380 ?
Yes!

Hmm, hardly a suprise, 30 more A380's    Unless it will be -900s    The real question will be: will EK officially kick-off the 777-9 launch with an order of how many frames?   



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 132, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 33072 times:

5 new Boeing orders: 1 77W for KL, 2 77W and 2 737 for an unidentified customer.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 133, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 32978 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 106):
Boeing sold 50 737 Max aircraft to an unidentified customer.

Looks like Jet Airways is behind the order of 50 737 Max aircraft:

- The Mumbai-based airline has placed an order last month for 50 of Boeing's newest 737 MAX jetliners and eight or ten 777-300 extended-range planes...will be announced officially at the air show in Paris.
- Jet is also likely to announce, at the same show, an order for 50 of Airbus's 320 Neo jets for use by its JetKonnect low-cost service.
- Boeing has listed on its website an order for fifty-two 737 and eight 777 planes from an unidentified customer.
- Jet was in talks with Airbus to acquire 100 A320 Neo aircraft but has now decided to split the order with Boeing.
- "Jet is therefore expected to announce a total order for over 100 aircraft in Paris," it said. "The longer-term order could be as high as 200," which is expected to be announced in phases, the report added.

Source: WSJ



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 134, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 32492 times:

About that possible JL A350 order, French president Hollande is scheduled to visit Japan from 6 to 8 June   


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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 135, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 32488 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 133):
"Jet is therefore expected to announce a
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 134):
About that possible JL A350 order,

we have strived to keep this thread to actual sales confirmed by the manufacturers.. and speculation posts should be diverted to separate threads. otherwise we get runaway nonsense.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 136, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 32428 times:

Ok, fair enough   


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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 31813 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 106):
Boeing sold 50 737 Max aircraft to an unidentified customer.

It looks like it belongs to Turkish Airlines

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2675



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Reply 138, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 31798 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 137):
It looks like it belongs to Turkish Airlines

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.ph...=2675

No, this one was a commitment/MoU announced last month. The 50 UFOs in Boeings spreadsheet is another firm order the way I understand it


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 139, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 31607 times:

That's how I understand it too. The TK order is the MoU from April 9, see http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2646


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Reply 140, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 31537 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 139):
No, this one was a commitment/MoU announced last month. The 50 UFOs in Boeings spreadsheet is another firm order the way I understand it

My guess is that the UFO order is firm Jet Airways.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 141, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 31513 times:

Like said in reply #133  


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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 142, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 31496 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 138):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 139):
Quoting sirtoby (Reply 140):

Sorry, you're right, I forgot about the Jet Airways order. My mistake.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 143, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 31051 times:

Boeing and Southwest Airlines are launching the 737 Max 7; Southwest converts its existing 30 NG 737 orders to 737 Max 7s.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2676



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 144, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 31027 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 143):
Boeing and Southwest Airlines are launching the 737 Max 7; Southwest converts its existing 30 NG 737 orders to 737 Max 7s.

Good to see the MAX 7 finally getting an order, hopefully more will follow.

Total MAX orders now at 1315

[Edited 2013-05-15 08:43:03]


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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6834 posts, RR: 46
Reply 145, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 30883 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 143):
Boeing and Southwest Airlines are launching the 737 Max 7; Southwest converts its existing 30 NG 737 orders to 737 Max 7s.

I guess that means that WN is not going to go to the 738 as its standard size.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 146, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 30781 times:
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Quoting SEPilot (Reply 145):
I guess that means that WN is not going to go to the 738 as its standard size.


30 frames is less than 10% of their 737-700 fleet, to say nothing of their 737-300+737-700 fleet, so perhaps WN still has missions that cannot justify a larger plane. There are also fields like SNA, for example. that probably favor the 737-7.

[Edited 2013-05-15 09:53:57]

User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 30279 times:

I saw on Wiki that Boeing has 36 773-ER and 10 772 freighters for an unidentified customer?? Am I late on this or is this new??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...77_operators#Orders_and_deliveries


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Reply 148, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 30138 times:
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Quoting rotating14 (Reply 147):
I saw on Wiki that Boeing has 36 773-ER and 10 772 freighters for an unidentified customer?? Am I late on this or is this new??

That is the total for all UFOs, so it is for multiple unidentified customers. That being said, 30 of the 77W were ordered on 17 December 2012 and 8 of the 77F were ordered on 29 March 2013, so each set were probably ordered by one customer.


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6834 posts, RR: 46
Reply 149, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 29928 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 146):

30 frames is less than 10% of their 737-700 fleet, to say nothing of their 737-300+737-700 fleet, so perhaps WN still has missions that cannot justify a larger plane.

That seems to be the case; also WN has so many 737-700's that phasing them out would take a long time anyway. But I thought perhaps that they would order the MAX exclusively in the -8 size, which would still leave a lot of -700's for a long time. But that is apparently not going to happen.



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 150, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 29321 times:

Three additional A330-300 for Oman, although haven't seen anything about delivery time

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Reply 151, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 29013 times:
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Boeing sales
6 777 to Swiss
101 737 to unidentified
minus 24 737 cust not specified
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm


User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 655 posts, RR: 3
Reply 152, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 29598 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 151):

Boeing sales
6 777 to Swiss
101 737 to unidentified
minus 24 737 cust not specified
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...x.cfm

there are 61 MAX a/c among the 101 737

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/337596439700054018

[Edited 2013-05-23 09:24:58]

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Reply 153, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 29064 times:

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/05/...der-book-747-tally-still-negative/

I know that the 5 747-8's were from Dubai but who cancelled the 8 777's. Im sure some of the 737's were conversions that WN made for the Max 7.


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Reply 154, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 28979 times:
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Air China & Shenzhen to buy 100 A320s (both ceos and neos). Not confirmed by Airbus yet, so may only be MoU at the moment. To be firmed at Paris?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/.../24/airchina-idUSL5N0E50N820130524

Quote:
May 24 (Reuters) - Air China Ltd will pay a basic price of $8.9 billion for 100 new Airbus aircraft, the company said in an announcement filed with the Hong Kong stock exchange on Friday.



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Reply 155, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 28867 times:
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Quoting rotating14 (Reply 153):
I know that the 5 747-8's were from Dubai but who cancelled the 8 777's. Im sure some of the 737's were conversions that WN made for the Max 7.


CX cancelled 8 777 freighters, which went to CA. CA cancelled 3 747-8 freighters, which went to CX.

So Air China Cargo and Cathay Pacific Cargo effectively swapped freighter orders.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 156, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 28096 times:

No changes in Boeing's orderbooks this week

Next week Airbus will have their monthly update, and I'll guess we'll see quite a few new firmed orders


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 157, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 27581 times:

Oman Air has ordered five Boeing 737-900ER aircraft:

http://atwonline.com/airframes/oman-air-orders-five-boeing-737-900ers



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10832 posts, RR: 31
Reply 158, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 26941 times:

It was a quit month, Airbus only booked 3 orders for easyJet in May. Also 3 cancellations: Tunisair abandoned their order for 3 A358 aircraft.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 150):
Three additional A330-300 for Oman, although haven't seen anything about delivery time

Surprisingly these are not yet listed in the order book. Maybe next month.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 159, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 26896 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 158):
It was a quit month, Airbus only booked 3 orders for easyJet in May.

I suspect June may be somewhat busier...  


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Reply 160, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 26902 times:

7 737s UFOs for Boeing this week. In addition to numerous convertions

User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 161, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 26499 times:
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somebody used to do a beautiful summary of sales, cancellations, and model changes.. It would be nice to see that updated before the air show

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Reply 162, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 26250 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 161):
somebody used to do a beautiful summary of sales, cancellations, and model changes.. It would be nice to see that updated before the air show

Oh, he's still around.  

Unfortunately, real life has gotten more and more in the way of his hobby.   I'll be out of town this weekend, but will try to get a comprehensive update up on Monday. Been meaning to do so before Paris, too.


Regards,

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User currently onlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 163, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 25750 times:

Okay, Boeing updates since April 1st are done:


Boeing


Orders
Air Lease Corp. - 5 737-MAX & 10 777-300ER
All Nippon Airways - 4 737-800
American Airlines - 100 737-MAX, 1 777-300ER, 12 787-8 & 30 787-9
* Boeing Business Jets - 1 777-200LR
Cathay Pacific Airways - 3 747-8F
GE Capital - 4 737-800
Icelandair - 16 737-MAX
* KLM Royal Dutch Airlines - 1 777-300ER
Qantas - 5 737-800
Sberbank Leasing - 12 737-800
* Southwest Airlines - 5 737-800 & 30 737-MAX
* Swiss Air Lines - 6 777-300ER
* Turkish Airlines - 20 737-800 & 50 737-MAX

United Airlines - 8 737-900ER
* WestJet - 10 737-800
Unidentified - 2 737-800 & 8 777F (Air China)
* Unidentified - 50 737-MAX
* Unidentified - 2 777-300ER
* Unidentified - 2 737-900ER
* Unidentified - 40 737-800 & 61 737-MAX
* Unidentified - 5 737-MAX



Cancellations
Air Berlin - 2 737-800
Aviation Capital Group - 1 737-800
Cathay Pacific Airways - 8 777F
* Dubai Aerospace - 5 747-8F
* GOL - 21 737-800
* ILFC - 3 737-800
* Southwest Airlines - 30 737-700



Conversions
Aviation Capital Group - 5 737-700 to 5 737-800
* Aviation Capital Group - 2 737-700 to 2 737-800
American Airlines - 5 777-200ER to 5 777-300ER
* Russian Technologies - 2 737-700 & 2 737-900ER to 4 737-800
* Southwest Airlines - 5 737-700 to 5 737-800



Identified
American Airlines - 1 777-300ER
* KLM Royal Dutch Airlines - 4 737-800 (from April 2011)
* KLM Royal Dutch Airlines - 1 777-300ER (from July 2011)
* Sberbank Leasing - 12 737-800 (from March 2013)
* Royal Brunei Airlines - 5 787-8
(these were originally ordered under LCAL, to be leased to RBA. Order then went 'Unidentified' for a year, before finally being assigned back to Royal Brunei as a direct purchase)


Airbus update will have to wait till tomorrow.  


Regards,

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User currently offlinekaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2885 posts, RR: 18
Reply 164, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 25452 times:

Thanks again Hamlet,

I assume you will put up one final tally of both before the Paris Air Show by the end of this week?

Karan


User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 165, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 25481 times:

AF-KL is going firm up their order A350s at Le Bourget (25 firm orders +35 options)

http://www.beursgorilla.nl/nieuws-item.asp?Story_ID=580904

http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...bus-a350-au-salon-du-bourget-.html


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 166, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 25221 times:

From http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...bus-a350-au-salon-du-bourget-.html

"En effet, General Electric, le motoriste du B787 a été beaucoup plus souple que Rolls Royce."

"In effect, GE, providing engines for the 787, has been more accommodating than RR."

Hmmm. Does that imply that the AFKL 787s are going with the GEnx? I actually think it's poor reporting. It implies that GE were happy to accommodate AFKL whereas RR made things difficult. It also implies that only GE engines are available on the 787.

The fact that AFKL already maintain GE engines isn't mentioned but is surely rather relevant. Plus, if GE were more accommodating and struck a deal a year or more ago, why hasn't the order been announced yet?


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 167, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 25121 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 166):

I wasn't completely sure about it either. The article says AF/KL have reached a compromise with RR. Perhaps it means AF/KL didn't completely get what they wanted from RR, and therefore won't give RR completely what they want (the 787 deal as well). With the number of 787s and A350s on order, engine commonality is probably not the biggest issue (and well, the T-1000 and T-XWB are different engines, are they not?   ) And it has another advantage: AF/KL keeps GE very happy, not unimportant for possible 777X or NEO/MAX deals   

But let's wait until the announcement at Paris or when Boeing's order page is updated (whatever comes first).



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 168, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 24734 times:
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let's keep the tread on track with reported actual sales only... not speculations

User currently onlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 169, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 24455 times:

Quoting karan69 (Reply 164):
I assume you will put up one final tally of both before the Paris Air Show by the end of this week?
Karan,

Unlikely. Once I get the Airbus update posted here in a few minutes, there is unlikely to be anything significant to change until both OEM's update their total Order Books early next month.

The Airshows are full of announcements, however, many are a little ambiguous when it comes to the hard details. As I have always maintained posting firm orders, and not LOI/MOU/Commitments/Intentions, etc., we won't know a lot of details until those breakdowns get published during the first week of July.


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User currently onlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 170, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 24507 times:

And finally, here is the Airbus updates for the last two months:


Airbus


Orders
* Airbus Corporate Jets - 1 A319CJ
Air Lease Corp. - 14 A321neo, 20 A350-900 & 5 A350-1000
American Airlines - 130 A321neo
CIT Leasing - 10 A350-900
* easyJet - 3 A320
Hawaiian Airlines - 16 A321neo
Lion Air - 60 A320, 109 A320neo & 65 A321neo
Turkish Airlines - 2 A330-300
* Turkish Airlines - 4 A320neo, 25 A321 & 53 A321neo


Cancellations
Airbus Corporate Jets - 2 A318, 1 A319 & 1 A350-900
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 17 A320
* TunisAir - 3 A350-800


Conversions
Afriqiyah Airlines - 2 A330-200 to 2 A330-300
Aviation Capital Group - 6 A320 to 6 A321
* Avolon - 8 A320 to 4 A319 & 4 A321
* CALC - 3 A321 to 3 A320
* CIT Leasing - 1 A330-300 to 1 A330-200

GE Capital - 1 A320 to 1 A321
* GE Capital - 7 A320 to 7 A321
ICBC - 12 A320 to 2 A319 & 10 A321
Intrepid Aviation - 3 A330-200F to 1 A330-200 & 2 A330-300
* Intrepid Aviation - 3 A330-200F to 3 A330-300
TAM - 6 A319 & 17 A320 to 23 A321
* Thomas Cook Scandinavia - 6 A321 to GE Capital - 6 A321


Now, let's bring on PARIS!!!


Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 171, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 24109 times:

Thank you Hamlet69  

User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 172, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 24116 times:

By the way, In Airbus changes category, 58 changes are to bigger models and only 10 to smaller ones.

Thank You, Hamlet69!


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 90
Reply 173, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 23376 times:
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Great summary as always thank you Hamlet69. To add from day one at Le Bourget;

For Airbus;

- Doric Lease Corp’s Memorandum of Understanding to acquire 20 A380s
- Lufthansa firmed up its order for 70Neo (35 A320neo and 35 A321neo)along with 30 A320ceo's.
- ILFC’s firm order for 50 more A320neo

For Boeing;

- Skymark Airlines intent to order the MAX
- GECAS commitment to order 10 787-10X
- Qatar for 2 UFO 77W + 7 additional commitments yet to be firmed



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Reply 174, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 22899 times:
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Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 173):
To add from day one at Le Bourget;

And to add from Day Two:

Boeing

Korean Air commits to five 747-8 Intercontinentals and 6 777-300ERs
United Airlines commits to 20 787-10 (of which 5 are conversions from other 787 models)
Singapore Airlines commits to 30 787-10
British Airways commits to 12 787-10 (leaving 6 787s unassigned by model from their 18 frame order)
Air Lease Corporation commits to 30 787-10s


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 175, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 22693 times:
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Addedum - United converted 10 previous 787 orders to the 787-10.

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 90
Reply 176, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 22263 times:
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An update with the announcements made at Le Bourget so far;

Airbus

- Doric Lease Corp’s Memorandum of Understanding to acquire 20 A380s
- Lufthansa firmed up its order for 70Neo (35 A320neo and 35 A321neo)along with 30 A320ceo's.
- ILFC’s firm order for 50 more A320neo
- Easyjet 100 A320neo + 30 A320ceo + 100 options, subject to shareholder approval.
- Air France / KLM Group firm their 25 A350-900
- Sri Lankan 4 A350-900 MoU, 6 A333 Firm and 3 A359 from a leasing company.
- Singapore Air firmed their previously announced MoU for 30 A350-900

Any to add?

Boeing

- Skymark Airlines intent to order the MAX
- GECAS commitment to order 10 787-10X
- Qatar for 2 UFO 77W + 7 additional commitments yet to be firmed
- Korean Air commits to five 747-8 Intercontinentals and 6 777-300ERs
- United Airlines commits to 20 787-10 (of which 5 are conversions from other 787 models)
- Singapore Airlines commits to 30 787-10
- British Airways commits to 12 787-10 subject to shareholder approval
- Air Lease Corporation commits to 30 787-10s
- Ryanair finalise order for 175 737-800s
- CIT 30 737-8 MAX firm order
- Oman Air 5 x 739ER previously booked as UFO
- Travel Service commit to 3 737-8 MAX


I think that's all but please feel free to correct



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User currently onlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1062 posts, RR: 0
Reply 177, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 22615 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 176):
I think that's all but please feel free to correct

Yes, I believe UA converted 10 not 5. And ALC also added 3 789's.



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 178, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22352 times:

The following was firmed in Boeing O/D spreadsheet this week

Singapore Airlines: 30 787-10
United: 10 787-10
Ryanair: 175 737-800
CIT: 30 737-800
UFO: 40 737 and 28 cancellations