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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13179 times:

So we enter the new year with open skies towards the United States. Many carriers have beefed up their services starting this christmas season and will continue to do so during the rest of the year, here's an account of the available Colombia-US flights:

BOG:

MIA AA 3x (763, 757, 738) AV 3x (A332, A319 2x), LA 1x (A320)
FLL AV 1x (A320) NK 1x (A320) B6 1x (A320)
MCO AV 1x (A319) B6 1x (A320)
JFK AV 2x (A332, A319), DL 1x (73W)
EWR UA 1x (757)
IAH UA 2x (757 2x)
ATL DL 2x (757, 73W)
IAD AV 1x (A319)

soon

DFW AA 1x

MDE:

MIA AV 1x (A320) AA 1x (738)
FLL NK 1x (A319) soon B6 1x
JFK AV 1x (A319)

CLO:

MIA AV 1x (A320) AA 1x (738)
JFK AV 1x (A319 via MDE)

CTG:

MIA AV 1x (A318)
FLL NK 1x (A319)
JFK 3x weekly B6 (A320)

BAQ:

MIA AV 1x (A320)

AXM:

FLL 4x weekly NK (A319)

Hopefully there will be more to come!

Also, here's an interesting article from CAPA on the VIVA branded carriers, including VIVA Colombia:

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...ponders-third-viva-franchise-93805


Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4488 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13227 times:

The dedicated TA/LR SJO-MDE non-stop service is no longer available since TA SAL-MDE 4x weekly started on January 02nd.
TA/LR SJO-PTY-MDE 7x weekly commenced in the same date.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinetrent772 From Colombia, joined Oct 2012, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13173 times:

Hello All,

First, I'd like to wish everyone a Happy new year and may 2013 bring a lot of joy, happiness and health to all of you and your loved ones.

On the aviation side of things, there is a strong rumour going around AV, the company is supposed to be working on a new Certificate of Operations for a new company, according to this rumour, AV would drop all turboprop flying and focus on flying jets only (just as it once was back from the late 60's to the early 90's).
This "new" company would take over all of Av's regional flights in a sort of feeder scheme to its bigger trunk routes, they would also take Av's newly acquired ATR's as the backbone of their fleet.
Even the name "Avianca Express" has been tossed around.

Your Thoughts?



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13015 times:

Avianca Express, really? Sounds appropriate if it wasn't already being used for the AV's cargo/courier service; although I just saw that the web page, www.AviancaExpress.com is currently "on maintenance"  


I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2610 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12986 times:

What are the latest news on VVC Villavicencio Vanguardia Airport "the other Bogotá airport"?


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9781 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12954 times:

Happy New Year to everybody here as well and looking forward to more positive developments for the Colombian aviation. I'm still waiting to read about passenger experiences at the new terminal in BOG. I got lucky to experience the old terminal building in September of last year and I'm looking forward to the new terminal building in the future (a few years from now)!!!

A388


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12684 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 1):
The dedicated TA/LR SJO-MDE non-stop service is no longer available since TA SAL-MDE 4x weekly started on January 02nd.
TA/LR SJO-PTY-MDE 7x weekly commenced in the same date.

So the entire AV-TA international schedule from MDE right now is:

daily MIA A320
daily PTY-SJO E190
daily JFK A319
daily UIO-LIM A320
3x weekly LIM E190
4x weekly SAL E190

Quoting trent772 (Reply 2):
This "new" company would take over all of Av's regional flights in a sort of feeder scheme to its bigger trunk routes, they would also take Av's newly acquired ATR's as the backbone of their fleet.
Even the name "Avianca Express" has been tossed around.

This is interesting, although I wonder if really necessary...there might be some cost savings on the salaries side but that's all I can think off.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 4):
What are the latest news on VVC Villavicencio Vanguardia Airport "the other Bogotá airport"?

Villavicencio is NOT the "other" Bogotá airport. There was a rumor in the nineties that it would be used as such but nothing happened since then, and nothing will happen now. As has been explained before, the road to Villaviencio is very unreliable, and while it would normally take just two hours to get from Bogotá to the city, traffic jams and mountain slides can easily turn the trip into a ten hour ordeal. That is why, at least in the forseeable future, VVC will not serve as Bogotá's alternate airport.

In the city's airport master plan that is being developed, there is talk of building a new airport for private/air taxi and military operations somewhere in the savannah but definitely there are no plans whatsoever to adequate VVC for it to serve as a secondary Bogotá airport.

On another note, AF will be celebrating 60 years of uninterrupted operations in Colombia in 2013, making it the oldest continuously operating foreign airline in the country. I didn't know AFKL's head office for the andean countries was located in Bogotá:

http://www.aviacol.net/noticias-del-...anos-de-operacion-en-colombia.html



Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4488 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12589 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 6):
AF will be celebrating 60 years of uninterrupted operations in Colombia in 2013

Air France's Lockheed Constellation started their operations in Bogota, back in 1953...



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12466 times:

Interesting article from CAPA relating to our thread starting topic:

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-by-jetblue-and-lan-colombia-94110

What I don't get is why they say the growth is being led by B6 and LA, when AV just this december added a third flight to MIA, a weekly frequency to JFK to round up two daily flights and 3 extra weekly frequencies to MCO to make it daily, all from BOG.

Also, NK and AV do not compete on the CTG-FLL market. It's clear that AV flies to MIA and NK flies to FLL from the heroic city.

But otherwise an interesting read.

[Edited 2013-01-15 08:52:12]


Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12422 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
I'm still waiting to read about passenger experiences at the new terminal in BOG

Int he last 2 months I've been through the new terminal twice. So far its been good, emigration and inmigration lines almost non-existant, nice gate areas (lounges are for both AV and LA still temporary), and lots of duty-free shops. Downsides are limited food offerings once you cleared customs and bags don't come out as fast as one could wish (but nothing like they take in MIA really). Overall, my experience has been positive, and waaay better than the old terminal.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 8):
What I don't get is why they say the growth is being led by B6 and LA, when AV just this december added a third flight to MIA

Did LA changed the uquipment used in the route to the 767?

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 7):
there might be some cost savings on the salaries side but that's all I can think off.

I don't really think that could be the reaon really. I can't think of any reason at all......



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9781 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12394 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 9):
Int he last 2 months I've been through the new terminal twice. So far its been good, emigration and inmigration lines almost non-existant, nice gate areas (lounges are for both AV and LA still temporary), and lots of duty-free shops. Downsides are limited food offerings once you cleared customs and bags don't come out as fast as one could wish (but nothing like they take in MIA really). Overall, my experience has been positive, and waaay better than the old terminal.

Finally a first experience, nice. What I have seen on photos the new terminal indeed does look much bigger with lots more space and glass. Are there areas where you can take nice aircraft photos too once you've passed all the checks and are there public places such as restaurants or spectator areas to view and photograph aircraft (landside) just as the old terminal has (between the domestic and international terminal)?

A388


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12329 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 9):
Did LA changed the uquipment used in the route to the 767?

No, they haven't. It should come soon, but it's surprising how the article names them as "leaders" of Colombia-US route expansion. B6, I get it, they have been the US carrier with the most expansion lately, but LAN?

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 9):
I don't really think that could be the reaon really. I can't think of any reason at all......

Who knows, maybe they'll explain it in the next earnings call.



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User currently offlineMATURRO727 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12274 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
This is interesting, although I wonder if really necessary...there might be some cost savings on the salaries side but that's all I can think off.
Quoting 777jaah (Reply 9):
I don't really think that could be the reaon really. I can't think of any reason at all......
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 11):

It’s actually really simple. They want to reduce costs by making exactly the same thing that IB did with Iberia Express. AV pilots might not have the greatest salaries in the world, but they do have lots of benefits like a really good health plan (even better than pre-paid medicine), or the superb meal plan to name just a few. Of course this things cost a lot of money to the company. Avianca Express pilots would not even earn less money i think, but they will not have all the benefits and “commodities” that AV pilots have. also (and I think this is really were the trick is), is that AV had their pilots trained and type rated in 3 or 4 different aircraft thanks to the expansion and to the seniority scheme. So there were even pilots who flew the Fokker 50 for 2 months, then transitioned to the MD83 and 6 months later they were flaying the A320. so the training costs were and are huge.

Now it’s said that the new company will hire mainly Police and Satena pilots mainly who are currently type rated in the ATR equipment. It is said tough that the First Officers will transition to AV eventually following the seniority list.
This is merely pure speculation of course because nothing official has been said. Now the other rumor is that Mr Efromovich is desperately looking to buy more than a regional airline an operation certificate to establish the new AV Express as starting an airline from scratch takes way to long. How ironic as a year ago they finally merged SAM making AV the sole operator and now they want to buy an operation certificate…

Oh well, we will see what happens, but one thing is certain, if this new company ever takes off, then difficult days will come ahead for AV pilots, F/A and all the flight crews of the airline. Unfortunately that’s where the industry is headed in the near future, old days where flying was all luxurious are gone…


my two cents.

MATURRO727

[Edited 2013-01-15 18:06:04]

[Edited 2013-01-15 18:13:25]

User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12244 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 10):
Finally a first experience, nice. What I have seen on photos the new terminal indeed does look much bigger with lots more space and glass. Are there areas where you can take nice aircraft photos too once you've passed all the checks and are there public places such as restaurants or spectator areas to view and photograph aircraft (land-side) just as the old terminal has (between the domestic and international terminal)?

I have travelled through the terminal now on three occasions. All my experiences have been very similar, check in really depends on the airline you travel. Avianca really has increased the check in staff and they are also incentivizing the use of machines for check-in. In that sense I have never seen much queues at any time. I have seen very long queues on Iberia, Air France and Aeromexico which is sad to see how they are not using the available counters to benefit customers.

The shops in the check in area are good, a little bit of everything except maybe a good book store. Yet the lady at the book store in the old terminal told me they would have a shop in the domestic side of the new terminal. Definitely this is not a land-side terminal as the old terminal was, although the mezzanine in the domestic terminal will have a larger option of food and shops, the viewing area will be more limited than in the old airport. In the existing new terminal there is no real viewing area as in the old one.

Eating options until they open the domestic side is limited to Creppes and Waffles and Kokoriko Rotisserie. Going through passport control is extremely easy, far more operational booths than passengers so hardly any queues even during peak hours. On the air-side quite nice shops a very large shopping area in Attenza with many brand names inside. Also a large La Riviera which together make a large shopping avenue as you come out of security.

There is also a food mezzanine with Presto Burgers, Burger King and a new Italian chain called Alfredo´s owned by Kokoriko. Also you find a Juan Valdez and another Kokoriko new chain called American Bistro in the main level next to the array of shops lining up the boarding gates.

The VIP lounges are also under construction both for LAN and Avianca (which will be the One World and Star Alliance lounges). There are several hot spots for recharging phones and laptops, also several moving walk ways that take you to the end of the airport where there are some escalators that take you down to the remote boarding gates.

I have used the gate with the double boarding which basically uses adjacent doors at the same desk but the ramps head on opposite directions and then connect each to a different jetway. The ramps do take away a lot of viewing space out the windows at the gates, so not that easy to find good views into the ramps, especially for an all glass airport.

Upon arrival, it never seems very crowded and I have arrived at peak times, passport control has always been a breeze in my experience, which means I have had to wait a little for bags every time, not much though except on my Avianca flight which took about 20 minute wait. Customs varies greatly from two DIAN officials and a slower moving queue that lead to the scanners, to 4 DIAN officials and things moving very quickly. Still nothing bad. As you exit the space is a little crowded with those waiting and the taxi rank seems very unorganized with people coming in from the old terminal to queue at the same space. The large windows looking into the luggage carousels are very good as the keep most of the waiting families and friends away from the Arrivals exit area.

Looking forward to the opening of the domestic side, my understanding is that the check in and luggage hall will begin operations later on this year prior to finalization of the construction of the domestic piers, which will basically mean that the old terminal will only hold gates for some time before its demolition.


User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12239 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 9):
Did LA changed the uquipment used in the route to the 767?

Not yet, the certification is under way by Aerocivil, the flights in 767 from BOG should be operational by April to GRU, SCL and MIA followed by LAX hopefully before the middle of the year. Shall wait and see.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12125 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 13):
There is also a food mezzanine with Presto Burgers, Burger King and a new Italian chain called Alfredo´s owned by Kokoriko. Also you find a Juan Valdez and another Kokoriko new chain called American Bistro in the main level next to the array of shops lining up the boarding gates.

IMO, airside options are very limited so far. Hope this changes.

Quoting A388 (Reply 10):
Are there areas where you can take nice aircraft photos too once you've passed all the checks and are there public places such as restaurants or spectator areas to view and photograph aircraft (landside) just as the old terminal has (between the domestic and international terminal)?

I took some pics with my phone, very limited view actually, but what is interesting are the views ont he runway.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 14):
The VIP lounges are also under construction both for LAN and Avianca

I used the AV lounge on both ocassions. Really limited, but understandable. Hopefully the new one is open when I have my trip to MAD next April.

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 12):
It’s actually really simple. They want to reduce costs by making exactly the same thing that IB did with Iberia Express.

I was afraid that was the ype of move AV is thinking with AV Express.

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 12):
Now it’s said that the new company will hire mainly Police and Satena pilots mainly who are currently type rated in the ATR equipment

I wonder if those pilots can easily drop off the police.....don't they have some type of contract or something like that?

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 12):
Oh well, we will see what happens, but one thing is certain, if this new company ever takes off, then difficult days will come ahead for AV pilots, F/A and all the flight crews of the airline. Unfortunately that’s where the industry is headed in the near future, old days where flying was all luxurious are gone…

Oh sure. But AV employees have to be grateful they work for a serious company with a growing, profitable business plan, unlike many big players around the world, or even, this same company a few years ago that was in the verge of bankrupcy.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 13):
So there were even pilots who flew the Fokker 50 for 2 months, then transitioned to the MD83 and 6 months later they were flaying the A320. so the training costs were and are huge

Probably they spent more time in training than actually flying........but I guess those are the costs of having a completely new type of fleet. In the medium term, that situation will stabilize thanks fto fleet commonality In the future, AV will only have the 787s and the Airbus fleet, assuming AV Express takes control of the turboprop ooperation.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12089 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):

I posted a small TR with some pics for you. I am not really proud of the TR nor the pics but it will give you a general idea of the new terminal in construction.
New BOG International Terminal Experience (by RICARIZA Jan 16 2013 in Trip Reports)



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4488 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11997 times:

jetBlue officially announces Ft. Lauderdale - Medellin service:

B6 041.....FLL 16:45..........MDE 19:04.......Daily......320
B6 040.....MDE 07:05........FLL 11:29.........Daily......320
Effective: June 13th

Regards



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineMATURRO727 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11971 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 15):
I was afraid that was the ype of move AV is thinking with AV Express.

Everybody is unfortunately. But as I said this is just speculation. Very plausible but still, speculation...

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 15):
I wonder if those pilots can easily drop off the police.....don't they have some type of contract or something like that?

well thay can, they can quit the force or simply retire from active service. im not sure but i think with 20 years of active service you are good to go, most of Satena's crews are actually retaierd air force pilots i think, there are very few civil pilots flying for them so probably the captains will be very seduced to fly for AV Express if it ever happens i think.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 15):
Oh sure. But AV employees have to be grateful they work for a serious company with a growing, profitable business plan, unlike many big players around the world, or even, this same company a few years ago that was in the verge of bankrupcy.

Well people are grateful believe me, but nobody likes when suddenly you start loosing your privileges of being a valuable member of one of the best and most respected companies in LAM or even the world, you sure would not be happy if they take away the superb health plan, or the nice hotels on the layovers and switch them to 3 star hotels. Or take your transportation service to and from the airports etc. I mean, we pilots work our asses off in a tough industry because we sure damn love it, and we love to fly, but seriously it freaks me the hell out to be treated like if anyone can do the job cause its easy as driving a cab. in the near future just because people think that flying a plane suddenly became super easy because automation and advance technology and lots of people think there up to the job.

Although Its true that automation has reduce significantly the work loads to flight crews and tough now days you might not need super airmanship as the old days, you need to be focused and work on your capacities as a leader and as manager of a machine that has thousands of kilograms of fuel and 120 souls onboard. Yes you might not need to land as softer as you can to feel proud of your skills and feed your ego anymore casue probably the autopilot will land thousand times better than you. But when the time comes with a real scenario that the computers itself cant solve then you will experience what really is to be a pilot and what your job is really worth

And is not like AV is bleeding money, as you said there is a solid business plan and they are making profits every quarter. So why suddenly try to change the rules of the game to be even more profitable which will only lead to angry workers feeling that they just got ripped off from everything. Let me tell you something lots of people are fine in trying to help and move forward and not just work for but with the company, they might work their asses off so the company makes even more money, as a team, but what people is not fine with is; is the company trying to be more profitable by taking away their employees benefits and leaving them with barely nothing but their salaries...

but hey, thats just my opinion.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 15):
Probably they spent more time in training than actually flying........but I guess those are the costs of having a completely new type of fleet. In the medium term, that situation will stabilize thanks fto fleet commonality In the future, AV will only have the 787s and the Airbus fleet, assuming AV Express takes control of the turboprop ooperation.

well thats the costs of having a seniority list and a really fast expansion project. take this example, imagine a recently hired FO jumps straight up to the 32S fleet while the FO's of the F50 have to stay in the same aircraft for who knows hoy many more years cuse is cheaper to the company. but they have been working for the company for 2 or more years. and suddenly this guy is making more money flying international or even working on an aircraft with air conditioned or even ice. so what does the company do ? they hire pilots to go directly to the 32S so they dont have to transition to the fokker 50 and pay two type raitings, and let F50 pilots flying the dutch man but automatically matching the salaries of those of the Airbus fleet, plus giving them a monthly per diem average of the whole 32S fleet.

and that has been the problem ever since the expantion since 04, nevertheless they are still making lots of money and consolidating a really good product cause to tell you the truth, AV training has nothing to envy to the big players of the world IMHO.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 15):
assuming AV Express takes control of the turboprop ooperation.

Well that’s the problem again, not only they will shrink the company by cutting turboprop ops, by taking out 7 airframes which are the F50, but also the ATR's will not be part of the AV's fleet either. Meaning pilots will take even longer to transition to the next step in their career. For the seniority list to move two things have to happen: senior pilots retiring or the company bringing more planes. But with AV Express that will be the exact opposite. See what I mean? And that’s not the worst part, what if suddenly this new company wants to operate all the A318 too? And so on, why? Cause its cheaper...

maybe AV pilots wont be touched at all or maybe they will who knows. but if so this is IB Express all over again.


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regards.

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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2610 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11927 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 17):
B6 041.....FLL 16:45..........MDE 19:04.......Daily......320
B6 040.....MDE 07:05........FLL 11:29.........Daily......320

That looks quite nice if B6 wants to start red-eyes flights between JFK and MDE.
Could B6 A320 take-off from MDE non-stop to JFK around midnight?



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11896 times:

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 18):
And is not like AV is bleeding money, as you said there is a solid business plan and they are making profits every quarter. So why suddenly try to change the rules of the game to be even more profitable which will only lead to angry workers feeling that they just got ripped off from everything. Let me tell you something lots of people are fine in trying to help and move forward and not just work for but with the company, they might work their asses off so the company makes even more money, as a team, but what people is not fine with is; is the company trying to be more profitable by taking away their employees benefits and leaving them with barely nothing but their salaries...

but hey, thats just my opinion.

I understand completely. The industry I work for has been tightening its conditions for us since 2008. And when you think it has stopped, it comes a new round of conditions. Its a worldwide thing, not only locally, just the way it's been with pilots everywhere.

Unfortunately, companies only think in how to improve their margins, but in the process, they go too far and good and valuable employees start jumping to the competition. At the end of the end, keeping hte workforce happy is essential to run a succesful company.

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 18):
maybe AV pilots wont be touched at all or maybe they will who knows. but if so this is IB Express all over again.

Any idea what the pilots would do in such case?

It's always nice to have someone involved in the process sharing his toughts. Thanks.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlinebogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11875 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 15):
IMO, airside options are very limited so far. Hope this changes.

Those restaurants I mentioned are all airside, I have never seen them full. The only place I have seen full is the Juan Valdez, hopefully more coffee shops will open on the extension of the international terminal once they finish it.


User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2559 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11818 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
That looks quite nice if B6 wants to start red-eyes flights between JFK and MDE.
Could B6 A320 take-off from MDE non-stop to JFK around midnight?

There's a good idea! LAN uses a densely configured A320 from BOG to GRU taking off at around 6 am. That is a longer distance than MDE-JFK.
Whilst I can quite imagine that LAN has to leave some seats empty on its BOG-GRU flight, MDE that is slightly lower in altitude than BOG and with the shorter distance* for a JFK route, I can't think that there would be severe restrictions.

*GCM distances
BOG-GRU 2688 miles
MDE-JFK 2375 miles


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11804 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 6):
daily UIO-LIM A320
3x weekly LIM E190

as per my understanding it is

4 x UIO-LIM
and
3 x LIM

weekly



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlinetrent772 From Colombia, joined Oct 2012, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11724 times:

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 18):
most of Satena's crews are actually retaierd air force pilots i think

Actually most of Satena's pilots are retired Aces pilots flying the ATR.

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 18):
Although Its true that automation has reduce significantly the work loads to flight crews and tough now days you might not need super airmanship as the old days

I disagree, automation has indeed reduced workloads greatly but with a new set of tools comes the challenge of making them work correctly and to your advantage. So, sure, the cockpits, aircraft systems and navigational aids of today are nothing like the ones from a couple of decades ago but the concept of Airmanship has and will remain intact for a long time.

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 18):
But when the time comes with a real scenario that the computers itself cant solve then you will experience what really is to be a pilot and what your job is really worth

That is the essence of being human, and that is something that no machine can replace. That is why you and many other pilots will be required in cockpits for years to come, the Autopilot can't make decisions.
most flights are uneventful and with today's technologically advanced planes many pilots will retire without experiencing a true gut wrenching emergency, but when it happens hopefully the people up front will have a standard set of flying skills and a Superb set of airmanship skills, I believe someone said it best, "A pilot earns a months pay in ten minutes".

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 20):
At the end of the end, keeping hte workforce happy is essential to run a succesful company.

I couldn't agree with you more. A happy employee is a productive employee.
One thing that is hard to believe is that AV is going thru its biggest expansion in history, having the most amazing earnings that nobody ever dreamed of and management is actually making a big push to take some if not most of the employee benefits away, unbelievable.
If avianca was going thru tough times like many other carriers right now, I would be keen on talking about concessions in order to keep my job, any paycheck is better than no paycheck but again AV is living its best years, just unbelievable.

But I think if you analise AV's owner you'll find the answer pretty quick, a guy who is filthy rich and owns many companies, how do you think he has made all of his money? Not exactly by giving it all to his employees, right? You have to step on many people and shatter many dreams to get to the top, and Mr. G is not known around the world as a philantropist actually quite the opposite.

[Edited 2013-01-17 17:17:09]


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25 Post contains images A388 : Thanks for all the replies regarding the new BOG terminal. I just have to experience it myself I think. Probably in a few years from now A388
26 Post contains links RCS763AV : Thanks for the clarification. AviancaTaca have received their first A330F through their colombian cargo airline, Tampa Cargo: http://www.aviacol.net/
27 martinrpo1 : What new international routes could Colombian airports support in the future? Here are a few ideas, what do you think? - BOG-ORD (UA or AV)? - BOG-LHR
28 RCS763AV : Interesting post martinrpo1! I think that once the BOG hub develops further as a connecting point this route will happen. There is also a substantial
29 martinrpo1 : BOG-SJU, BOG-FCO, and SMR-PTY have a lot of potential.
30 777jaah : Didn't AA said that it was going tonstart BOG-ORD in 3Q/2013?? I'm sure they said something aout it, no exact dates, but can't find it now.
31 bogota : It is BOG-DFW that I heard about.
32 martinrpo1 : DFW-BOG-DFW indeed, daily. Excellent for connecting traffic. I wonder what plane they'll use. 757? Could MDE sustain a 4 weekly DFW-MDE-DFW on a 737?
33 2travel2know2 : An AA B737-800 may be able to take-off from BOG non-stop to DFW. The key issue w/ an AA DFW-BOG may be the best possible connections available @ DFW
34 RCS763AV : I don't think so at all. UA is packing two daily 757s to Houston. While arguably it is a larger market, AA can easily take some of that connecting tr
35 Post contains links and images airliner777 : For those of you interested, Tampa Cargo's newest A330-200F is enroute to BOG at this time. Aprox arrival time: 18:00 LCL. http://flightaware.com/live
36 777jaah : Ohh, yes. My german cousin (alzheimer) playing mind games on me again...... Tehre's been growing rumours on the possibility of TK starting BOG and so
37 Avianca : heard the same - suppose to start the 21nd of June.
38 Post contains images LH506 : LH will not like it
39 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : Neither CM
40 777jaah : Stabbed in the back by one of your own alliance members? Sounds bad...... LH has made a bet in the colombian and s. american market with AV/TA in *A
41 a300aa : A 319 for sure... AA had problems with their B737/8 out of BOG, thats the reason why they switch their 3rd flight to a 757.
42 jfk777 : How can AA have 738 problems for a flight to Miami, 1500 miles, when AR flies a 737-700 nonstop all the way to EZE ? BOG to EZE is 3000 miles.
43 a300aa : Flight was always weight restricted. The 737/7 and the 737/8 uses the same engine but the 800 is heavier. AA configuration used to be for 160 pax, an
44 bogota : MDE -MIA is also operated with a 738 on a daylight flight. Aeromexico also operates the 738 On a far longer flight from Bogotá .[Edited 2013-01-21 18
45 RCS763AV : I could imagine it was in the cargo side that it had to be restricted and maybe some bags that needed to be left behind, also, the denser 160 seat co
46 trent772 : Any ideas on why 3 pilots for a 3 hour flight? With 27k engines the difference between the A319 and A320 is negligible at high altitude airports. It'
47 A388 : Hello everybody, I started a thread some time ago about a potential customer for the Bombardier CSeries in South America and I suggested that AV might
48 bogota : Yesterday I flew on a new interior A320. All grey carpets and all grey leather seating, which look quite nice. The crew told me they are all anxious a
49 Post contains images A388 : Interesting, you are refering to AV I assume. I'm looking forward to the new livery!!! I think it will be a minor change, not like the new AA complet
50 777jaah : Last month, I flew on a 319 BOG-MIA. Surprisingly, it was a very old plane, with no AVOD. I hope AV phases out those oddballs in the fleet when it st
51 RICARIZA : Ex-Mexicana, those are the only 319's without AVOD.
52 A388 : That is correct, the "N...MX-registered" aircraft are the ones coming from MX and they don't have AVOD. A388
53 bogota : Sorry, I meant AV. Very nice interior.
54 trent772 : It has been said that of the 7 airplanes to be delivered in 2013, 4 are for replacement and 3 are for expansion, personally I think all seven frames
55 A388 : What happened to the new livery announced of yesterday? A388
56 777jaah : To be honest, I spoke with the crew and they were also surprised that ac was assigned to the route. On a side note, what surprised me the most, was t
57 trent772 : They announced a new livery yesterday?
58 A388 : According to reply 48, they should have, that's why I am asking as well. In any case, I'm looking forward to the new/revised livery. A388
59 martinrpo1 : What new livery?
60 trent772 : Oh I get it, I think the poster in reply #48 was using a figure of speech, I'm guessing what he meant is that the new uniforms and revised livery shou
61 Post contains links RCS763AV : That is exactly what he said, if there had been the context of an announcement that the new livery was going to be announced that day, then the "any
62 summa767 : This is a bit of a biased statement. There are certainly trunk routes that deserve more supply, especially in light of Copa Colombia's retreat from t
63 RCS763AV : I don't think it's biased at all. While routes like MDE-MTR and CLO-SMR are seeing modest increases, the trunk routes have gotten much of the extra c
64 summa767 : You are clearly just seeing what you want to see. Did we ever anticipate more than a couple of frequencies a week on thin point to point routes? Did
65 Post contains links and images A388 : Hi guys, Yesterday night I cama across this photo: http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1198045 And I was thinking of the new livery that AV is pla
66 trent772 : Maybe it'll be another Star Alliance plane?
67 A388 : That could very well be the case but I would have painted the aircraft in the airline livery to get all the attention and not an alliance livery. A38
68 trent772 : I would have too, but if they're rolling out the updated livery and new uniforms as is rumoured in something like six months or so, I'm guessing the
69 777jaah : I'm very curious to know about that. What were the main diffrences, beside fuel consumption?
70 A388 : That may very well be true, yes. I also agree with you that the A320 looks nice with those sharklets. A388
71 trent772 : The fuel consumption differences on a per flight basis were not easily noticeable but they were there, the plane itself handled very differently thou
72 Post contains links av757 : Business Traveler in its December2012/January2013 special report section, 2012 World’s Best In Business Travel gives the honors to: Best Airline in
73 troest : Can anyone here confirm if AV bought 50% share of EF? Regards
74 A388 : Avianca buying a stake in Far East Air Transport in Taiwan? A388
75 troest : Sorry, meant EasyFly. According to IATA it is EF and ICAO EFY[Edited 2013-02-07 05:26:01]
76 777jaah : Haven't heard anything on it. But it would make sense, considering one of the owners of Easyfly is the now defunt Interbolsa Holding (which went bank
77 summa767 : AA resuming 2nd daily flight MIA-MDE-MDE from 12th June to 26th Aug Schedule AA987 MIA 10.20 - 12.50 MDE AA980 MDE 13.55 - 18.25 MIA This service star
78 SCL767 : Starting on 01APR13, LAN Colombia will increase capacity on the BOG-MIA route by deploying the B-767-316ER on the route daily. This is great news for
79 RCS763AV : CLO-SMR and PEI-SMR were obvious leisure routes with proven traffic that were almost certain to work with a low-fare airline year-round. I'm talking
80 mah4546 : Why? Competition encourages this type of thing. With no competition, no reason to add more capacity in a market that is drasticaly underserved and ex
81 SCL767 : LAN will also increase frequency on the BOG-MDE route.
82 RICARIZA : When would LAN Colombia's miles count towards One World FF programs? Once I have that I might travel again to Colombia in LAN instead of AA, but not b
83 RCS763AV : Although I agree with you, I was taking into account the beating that AA has taken from JFK to the caribbean by B6. MIA-MDE is a very large market ye
84 SCL767 : The U.S. DOT recently approved the new bilateral code-share agreement between AA and LAN Colombia. Both AA and LAN Colombia will soon implement their
85 troest : Also to add that Avianca has requested for new rutes with the new regional airline: REGIONAL EXPRESS AMERICAS S.A.S The new routes are: armenia-bogot
86 mah4546 : But JFK-Caribbean and MIA-South America are not analogous. AA didn't even try to fight for JFK-Caribbean much in the first place. It will fight tooth
87 trent772 : I hope that crap of a plan never takes off.
88 SCL767 : AA: BOG-MIA 3x daily (B763 daily, B752 2x daily) LAN: BOG-MIA daily (B763) Once AA/LA implement the bilateral code-share agreement on flights between
89 troest : The new airline is already approved. The "new" routes requested for are already served with AVs F50's and later be served with the new ATR's. This, I
90 martinrpo1 : I agree MIA-BAQ on AA is missing. They tried it a couple of years ago but decided to drop it when fuel prices spiked. Maybe when the A319 arrives they
91 trent772 : In th latest round of negociations between AV and its pilots for the new collective bargaining agreement, the company agreed to keep all turboprop fl
92 jfk777 : I find it hard to believe BAQ is suck a dog for AA, its the closest main land Latin American city south of Panama to Miami. Its hundreds of miles clo
93 martinrpo1 : Agree 100%. A late departure from MIA (18:30) and an early one from BAQ (08:30).
94 A388 : I read this morning that Avianca was named the best airline of Latin America by Business Traveler. Congratulations!!! Also, the first Latin American a
95 troest : It will also be the first aircraft to wear the new Avianca livery for AviancaTaca.
96 A388 : That would be great but another theory on this thread was that the aircraft would receive the Star Alliance livery because that's easier to paint ove
97 MATURRO727 : That’s true but Mr. Villegas also told that the only condition to accept the pilots proposal was that ACDAC(Asociacion Colombiana de Aviadores Civi
98 troest : Then why send an all white aircraft to its hub and finish painting it there? Previous airbus planes to AV came out already painted in AV livery or St
99 bogota : I agree that AA could easily make BAQ work with better scheduling. And by the way BAQ is north of Panama and a little bit closer to MIA than PTY. AV
100 Post contains images A388 : Do you know what the new livery will look like? Please share it with us here Good point, why send the aircraft all-white to the customer, in this cas
101 jfk777 : Barranquilla is probably the most underseved city of its size in all Latin America. BOG is 400 miles south and in the wrong direction for trips to No
102 martinrpo1 : Dream on buddy. There is a much better chance to see DL serving MDE, CLO, or even CTG first than BAQ.
103 jfk777 : Your right but in 10 or 20 years we may have an huge airport half way between BAQ and CTG. Cartagena's airport is old and built for dc-3's, it has no
104 RCS763AV : True. Yes, this is probably the region where AA has it's largest margins and is a lot less VFR/leisure oriented than JFK-Caribbean. I think this woul
105 SCL767 : LAN Colombia intends to launch the BOG-JFK route utilizing the B-767-316ER and will code-share with AA on the route, (Aires used to operate BOG-JFK).
106 jfk777 : While its likely a new airport is 10 or more years away, the contracts these concessionaires have must contain some language of a new airport and rig
107 A388 : What does this have to do with this thread? A388
108 bogota : Maybe if you can not find a direct flight between BOG and JFK you can go via SCL....
109 RICARIZA : Agree 100%. I hope they will be intelligent enough that if they decided to keep the AV name, they should also keep the red.
110 Post contains links RCS763AV : Hey go easy, it's just a comment on the number of destinations that LATAM will have from JFK, and one of them happens to be BOG. At least this time h
111 A388 : He does by the post I qouted from him. He is only talking about LATAM's developments and it has absolutely no relevance to the thread. A388
112 RCS763AV : This is the whole post: Not only does it relate to the development of the thread where people have been asking about the developments of possible Col
113 2travel2know2 : Sure given the BOG-MIA traffic CM (P5) may be able to fill a B737 non-stop BOG-MIA, but now when CM and AV/TA are in the same alliance, the likelihood
114 yellowtail : Having jsut flown in/out of CTG I must comment that the security proceedures are onerous at best. It is like they don't trust their own security perso
115 RCS763AV : Well as a frequent user of the airport (fly in and out of there every two months), there must have been some kind of special visitor to the city that
116 Colombia : I beg to differ, and don't take this the wrong way, but there is no way that in the current shape of this industry as a whole, any airline would main
117 trent772 : Do you mostly fly domestic or international out of CTG every two months? I have been through the security checks Yellowtail is talking about, Having
118 troest : First picture of the new AV airbus with sharklets show it was painted in Star Alliance livery. Wonder why it was not painted in TLS like all the othe
119 Post contains images trent772 : Got a link? The plane arrived a couple of days ago but I have yet to see it, I threw the idea around that it would be painted in *A colors but was qu
120 Post contains images troest : Photo of the plane:
121 RCS763AV : I fly domestic of course. I assumed (wrongly) that he was flying domestic too. Well that I haven't seen that. Flew from CTG to MIA once in the nineti
122 A388 : Well you are right that it would have Star Alliance colors but it doesn't take away that it is strange that this aircraft is painted elsewhere and no
123 SOUTHAMERICA : It is safe, however, to keep in mind that most of our talk here is pure speculation as we have access to very little info. A few years ago I heard fr
124 A388 : By the way, does anyone know when N477AV will start commercial flying and which routes it will serve first? A388
125 Post contains images trent772 : I'm sure he meant flights to and from BOG, 27 or 29 flights it really doesn't matter, what matters is that Colombia isn't talking ballpark figures he
126 bogota : That is what I was told, also that it will be red, not huge difference from the actual livery. Shall wait and see.
127 trent772 : This is exactly what I'm hoping for, a few subtle changes, why ruin an otherwise wonderful livery and corporate image? do we have to follow the steps
128 summa767 : Wow, when was this? AV increased frequencies to MAD a few months ago, and I understand that it will add more flights to Spain from May with the arriv
129 SCL767 : Effective 01APR13, LAN Colombia will change its schedule on the BOG-MIA route with the introduction of the B763 on the route: LA3502 BOG 09:10 MIA 14:
130 777jaah : That could be the case for he off-season. I bought a ticket to MAD for over COP $1.200.00 (A bit over U$650). It was cheaper for than MIA. OTOH, I ju
131 RCS763AV : That is true, the break even point has got to be lower now with the streamlined fleet. But airport fees and fuel have also gone up too. Who knows, th
132 777jaah : Ypou know how much AV paid in average for its fuel? Got to remember htey hedge their fuel, son they could possibly be paying less what you think. Nop
133 Post contains images trent772 : Yeah! What the hell do I know? You clearly have something against crew members, don't you? Again, what do I know? I kinda like to know what your beef
134 SJOtoLIR : If LAN Colombia is considering the MAD-BOG sector in the future, we may expect the cooperation service with Iberia and covered by the OneWorld banner
135 bogota : So I guess the route continues to be strong, unlike otherwise suggested. I guess it is just IB that is heading slowly but surely into deep trouble. L
136 SCL767 : Effective 01APR13, LAN will change its schedule on the SCL-BOG route in order to maximize connections via BOG: LA752 SCL 23:50 BOG 05:00+1 B763 Daily
137 bogota : My understanding is that not five, but six planes will be certified. Not because they will all be based in BOG, but because that will give the flexib
138 SCL767 : Yep. That's how LAN increases utilization of its fleet at destinations such as MIA, JFK, LAX, etc. LAN is taking on a new 763 this month and another
139 summa767 : Last Novermber, IB publically stated that only 8 out 18 long haul routes were making money and that they would adjust capacity accordingly. SDQ , MDV
140 SCL767 : Not worth the effort with the B763? LAN already operates two daily B763s into MAD from GYE and LIM. Get over it.
141 summa767 : You, yourself, said a couple of posts ago that LAN would wait until more 787s arrived before it launches BOG-MAD! The fact that the route is worth th
142 SCL767 : The additional 787s will free up two more B763s for long-haul routes, i.e. BOG-MAD. You stated: What's your point? LAN's entry on the BOG-MAD route w
143 summa767 : That's not what you said in the post that you went on to edit. LAN is welcome to try the 767 on the BOG-MAD route. Indeed, it has had the rights for
144 SCL767 : You do realize that LAN has three 787s grounded at the moment and is utilizing B763s on those routes? Luckily the carrier has new B763s joining the f
145 summa767 : Iberia offers the best Business service. It is certainly not LAN. The 2:3:3 configuration is certainly better than LAN's 3:3:3 configuration and 31'
146 SCL767 : That's great for IB. However, I'm comparing the product that LAN will offer compared to the product that Avianca will offer on the BOG-MAD route with
147 trent772 : How many seats is LAN planning on selling on flights to MAD? LAN can't surely be thinking on selling all of the 221? I mean not if they intend to mak
148 summa767 : When and IF the route starts. With LAN one never knows. The 787 is the plane that would give a competitive edge on that route, if they ever actually
149 Post contains links and images SCL767 : That is not known. CC-BDD is LAN Colombia's first B-767-316ER: View Large View MediumPhoto © Francisco Muro LAN will deploy the 787s on the SCL-MAD
150 troest : LAN will have to implement the 787's on the BOG-MAD route to have a competitive edge, besides ticket prices. AV used to have the 767's on this route
151 troest : And can you please elaborate on what this LAN topic has to do with Colombia? Nobody can be certain what AV will come up with when AV will launch thei
152 A388 : Not entirely true as the last 6 rows in coach on their A332 is 2-3-2. Besides this the A332 has a wider more comfortable cabin that all Airbus aircra
153 Post contains links trent772 : AV/TA traffic numbers for January are up! http://www.portafolio.co/negocios/trafico-pasajeros-enero-avianca-taca
154 A388 : Impressive numbers for the first month of the year. A388
155 Post contains links RCS763AV : VivaColombia is now officially the third largest domestic airline in Colombia, having garnered a 9,5% market share in just 8 months of operation: http
156 Post contains links and images A388 : Congratulations to them, I saw them last year when I was in BOG: View Large View MediumPhoto © Roger Cannegieter - Curacao Aviation Photography A388
157 RCS763AV : It is good news. Because of the viva effect, many more colombians have the opportunity to travel by air, and those who did, are being able to do it m
158 A388 : Thanks RCS763AV, how is the travel behavior of Colombians, both locally and internationally? Is there more demand for local travel compared to intern
159 Post contains links RCS763AV : So, AA's DFW-BOG route will launch in october, earlier that what was expected: http://www.portafolio.co/negocios/am...-airlines-mas-operaciones-colomb
160 A388 : Looks nice and the view on the ramp also looks nice (if that is the view that you will have). Is this VIP Lounge on the top floor of the new terminal
161 summa767 : AA has for a while said that it would launch this route towards the end of the year, so nothing has changed. I also read that this route would operat
162 troest : Will it be effective when AV receive the next A330 or sooner? So there will be three daily flights to MAD from BOG and soon four, when or if 4C send
163 summa767 : I forgot to mention the effective date of the new frequencies: 1st May. This is possible with the addition of an A330, that should be delivered in th
164 jfk777 : AV has all its European service to Madrid and Barcelona, what happened to the days when they flew to Paris, FRA and London ? BOG to any of the above
165 troest : Of what I understand, AV will deploy the B787's from BOG to CDG, FRA (code-share with LH) and LHR or LGW (LHR if they get any slots available), besid
166 RCS763AV : When the route was first announced, AA said it would launch in december 2013. I'm sure of London out of those, since they've been talking about it fo
167 Post contains links summa767 : AA's mention of DFW-BOG, among others, was in press release about strengthening their relationship with LATAM. The statement can be read here: http:/
168 RCS763AV : Copa Airlines are tweaking their schedule from Colombia: From June 15, BOG-CUC-BOG (operates 18x weekly) BOG-BAQ-BOG (operates 18x weekly) BOG-GYE-BOG
169 SJOtoLIR : I doubt if the current demand of passengers could sustain both FRA-BOG and MUC-BOG. Neither EZE nor MEX which are larger markets than BOG are getting
170 SCL767 : Really not surprising...But I'm sure the cuts will benefit other airlines. It's common knowledge that P5 will eventually leave the Colombian domestic
171 Avianca : I doubt if the current demand of passengers could sustain both FRA-BOG and MUC-BOG. Neither EZE nor MEX which are larger markets than BOG are getting
172 SJOtoLIR : I'm not quite familiarized about the dimension of the connectivity at MUC, but this pattern is actually feasible through Frankfurt by means of LH BOG
173 RCS763AV : I don't know if you could say it's a fact, given they don't really give detailed financial information per route. No one knows that. The E190s still
174 SCL767 : Effective 01APR13, LAN Colombia will increase capacity on the daily BOG-GRU route utilizing the B-767-316ER. LAN Colombia will also adjust its schedul
175 SCL767 : The two A-320s that LAN Colombia assigned to the BOG-GRU and BOG-MIA routes will be utilized to increase frequencies on existing routes and to open ne
176 Post contains links RCS763AV : So there will be a change of equipment in GRU (where is the other plane coming from?). BOG to CCS is interesting, but what about BOG to Central Ameri
177 A388 : Great news for BOG!!! When I was traveling to BOG a few times last year, I noticed all European airlines arrive in BOG in the late afternoon/evening.
178 jfk777 : The change in Air France to Bogota probably has more to do with AF defleeting their A340's. With no A340 what airplane does AF have for a 300 seat ro
179 A388 : I wasn't aware of AF already getting rid of their A343's, do you have a reliable source on this? If this replacement was purely because of the A343 b
180 summa767 : Some movement on the AF side. It has taken them their time to consider a change in aircraft! It could be the 77W, but most likely it would be the 772
181 jfk777 : A388, My source is that the early airlines to operate A340 are getting rid of their early A340's. AF didn't buy A340-600 like LH did, they only got A
182 A388 : jfk777 I know all that but has AF made it public they will dispose of their A343 fleet this year? A388
183 RCS763AV : Not really. AF and IB arrive at 4 and 440 pm each. I would hardly call that late afternoon. LH arrives at 735pm though, there you're right. The air i
184 A388 : Yes, AF and IB do arrive earlier and should have been more clear. What I meant was arrive and/or depart in the late afternoon. Okay, that explains it
185 RCS763AV : The evening hosts Avianca's largest hub bank with flights to the following cities: Most domestic destinations and, CCS BCN MAD MIA MEX GRU BSB GIG LI
186 Post contains links RICARIZA : I went to the Avianca's new VIP at BOG and I liked it...is very big, modern and comfortable and the colors seem to show where the "new" livery will te
187 SCL767 : The a/c operating LA3506 will originate at LIM and the a/c operating LA3505 will operate GRU-LIM after arriving from BOG.
188 danimarroquin : Nice !! how can u get in to the VIP lounge ????
189 SJOtoLIR : It's a response for the services offered by Avianca. From April 30th, AV BOG-GRU will operate as [10x with 330 + 4x with 319]. . Will the 773 experie
190 SCL767 : More like Avianca is responding to LAN Colombia's planned increase in capacity on the BOG-GRU route. Today LAN transfered another B-767-316ER to LAN
191 trent772 : Could it not be Avianca responding to demand instead of what LAN does? How many 763's will Aires operate on a regular basis?
192 RICARIZA : - Business Class passengers - LifeMiles Gold & Diamond - Star Alliance Gold - Priority Pass members (I am not sure if Silver status in both Star
193 Post contains links PLANEGUY : I came accross this clip on youtube about a Colombian passenger who was really mistreated by LH staff at KUL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbv1T5k-c
194 Bogota : I am yet to see what the story was all about, Colombians do need a visa to the EU and they can transit in some countries of the EU if they hold a vis
195 RCS763AV : I'd guess those would be allowed into the main section of the lounge. While these, Would be allowed in the Diamond section of the lounge. Or just an
196 A388 : Are referring to LAN offering a better product because AV's A320 are clearly sub par with the competition? I thaught LAN was the one with a sub par p
197 summa767 : They did operate some of the afternoon frequencies with A330s at some point. I believe until it introduced the 2nd frequency to MAD, but currently it
198 A388 : Indeed. Saying that AV is worried because of LAN in Colombia, would be the same as saying that AA needs to worry about UA or DL expanding in MIA. AV
199 jfk777 : Hardly equal, AA operates over 50% of Miami flights and DL and UA barely have a dozen each. It would be correct to say UA is concerned about AA expan
200 A388 : Being "better financed" is your personal opinion. As I have said before, if LAN really thinks they can be better in BOG, that would be wishful thinki
201 jfk777 : Why can't BOG be like ORD with two hub airlines ? About finances, LAN is bigger then Av/Taca, that is a fact not my opionon. LAN is not only "Lan chi
202 RICARIZA : Now that TAM officially announced its membership to OneWorld in 2014, what are the chances of AV Brazil to capitalize on that? Is is too small to do i
203 A388 : Why should AV hate it, they are also well financed just as LAN is and they offer an in-flight product that is equal to LAN at the least. A388
204 troest : AV Brazil will still be too small by 2014 to even join an alliance. But who knows? I might happen anyway. And the airline industry in Brazil is not a
205 summa767 : Well, there are A330s coming for AV Brasil.The first one would be delivered late this year, I believe. This is part of the additional A330s that Syne
206 A388 : The passengers can also be routed via BOG (FRA-BOG-SCL) and back. Passengers coming on LH542 to BOG can connect to the following major cities in Sout
207 troest : Great news for O6. I had forgot about the additional A330s. In my opinion, AV could order more for Latin American routes. Any idea of the new routes
208 troest : I did hear rumors about LH to increase frequencies to BOG, besides the current daily A346 service. The president of the Colombian Aviation Authoritie
209 A388 : So do I. It will be a matter of time before AV will announce more orders at Airbus/Boeing. AV is in the fairly early stages of expansion now and they
210 trent772 : In this case bigger isn't always better, LAN as a network is bigger than AV that is indeed a fact, but as far as finances go, LAN Chile's might be st
211 A388 : I accept that LAN Colombia is still losing money as they are a start-up airline in Colombia. They will need a few years to establish themselves to st
212 jfk777 : You can slice the airline structure however you want and imply Lan Colombia is loosing money and Latam is strong. Its natural that Lan Colombia is lo
213 trent772 : They're hardly a start-up, they took Aires and changed the name, don't the thirty-some years Aires was around count for anything? Avianca isn't the n
214 jfk777 : IF AV's vision is to fly to the places it has always flown, then BOG is fine. The world is more then Miami, EZE, GRU, SCL, JFK and Madrid. But an air
215 trent772 : That's AV's little world, it's gonna be a long while before we see AV shoot for anything longer than the ocean crossing to europe let alone the likes
216 SJOtoLIR : Perhaps I understand your point: Star Alliance gives one more possibility to link European passengers towards Latin America and back through BOG. How
217 SCL767 : LAN Colombia may also be responding to demand as well. Remember that GRU is a primary hub for LATAM Airlines. Regardless, LAN Colombia will continue
218 RCS763AV : Au contraire, it's the eastbound sector which departs at 9pm, around 7 to 8 hours after most the arrivals from SCL, EZE and GIG, and 14 hours after t
219 SJOtoLIR : Point taken. The European connections towards Peru can also be reached through the daily service LH FRA-CCS and then TA CCS-LIM which is properly tim
220 Post contains links danimarroquin : Great news for El DORADO , BOGOTA and the new latin america hub . Aerocivil has shown the new plans for the future of the Colombian capitol , this inc
221 Post contains links and images SCL767 : There is not a defined number of B-767-316ERs that will be operated solely by LAN Colombia. Similar to other LAN affiliates, i.e. LAN Airlines, LAN E
222 RCS763AV : Could the mods please close this thread? There's already a version 13 going around! Thanks.
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