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Cracks On ANA 787 Windshield  
User currently offlineworldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23443 times:

Yet another incident with the dreamliner, cracks have been discovered on
the cockpit window on a domestic flight.

here is a link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/12/bu...pit-window-of-boeing-787.html?_r=0

56 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinejeppelainen From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23404 times:

Quoting worldrider (Thread starter):

Yet another incident with the dreamliner, cracks have been discovered on
the cockpit window on a domestic flight.

Happens to airliners almost every single day so can't really understand how this can be a "Yet another incident with the dreamliner?"


User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2068 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23361 times:

Quoting worldrider (Thread starter):
Yet another incident with the dreamliner, cracks have been discovered on
the cockpit window on a domestic flight.

Come on, the next time they blame that aircraft for bird strikes.



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User currently offlineAF185 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2012, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23316 times:

The real news here for me is that ANA already operates 17 B787 according to the article...

Is that really true? It seems many for an aircraft which entered service no so long ago!


User currently offlineworldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23219 times:

ok guys, if read well, this not a bird strike, something else here, a bird strike is very.. visual.

User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23215 times:

The OP cant be serious. Happens daily all over the world.

User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23189 times:

The 787 is now in the focus like the A380 was for a while. Every little snag or mishap creates headlines in media.


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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2175 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23093 times:

Quoting AF185 (Reply 3):
The real news here for me is that ANA already operates 17 B787 according to the article...

Is that really true? It seems many for an aircraft which entered service no so long ago!

Yes, thats correct



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23009 times:

That explains the Airbus employee I saw sprinting across the Haneda ramp with a ladder.

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 22817 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 8):
That explains the Airbus employee I saw sprinting across the Haneda ramp with a ladder.

From Boston to Haneda, he's been a very busy guy!
I bet he's Star Gold...


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3384 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 22780 times:

The cracks are on the outer glass surface, which is non-structural. The glass is used as a wear surface since it resists scratching and pitting much better than the acrylics that are used for the main structural part of the window. So a "broken window" is not a big deal at all.

User currently offlineswallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 22625 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 8):
That explains the Airbus employee I saw sprinting across the Haneda ramp with a ladder.

Should have pulled him over for speeding  

This is getting comical. But unfortunately for Boeing, the 787 is under intense media scrutiny, and molehills are turned into mountains.

I remember the hysteria whenever the 380 was AOG.

By the time the A350 enters service, every coffee maker malfunction will be tweeted  

And a.nutters will be arguing about dispatch reliability vs. the 787, 380, 777



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4824 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 21965 times:

Quoting worldrider (Reply 4):

ok guys, if read well, this not a bird strike, something else here, a bird strike is very.. visual.

If you read the comments again oldeuropean is being sarcastic...

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 2):
Quoting worldrider (Thread starter):
Yet another incident with the dreamliner, cracks have been discovered on
the cockpit window on a domestic flight.

Come on, the next time they blame that aircraft for bird strikes.

Seriously, this sounds like a repeat of the A380 EIS experiencing teething issues... It's common for any new type to experience issues the first year or two of revenue service...

EK413



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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 793 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 21832 times:

Hi,

This very much reminds me of the 2008-2010 when Qantas were under the spotlight and every single operational 'issue' was being reported by the likes of The Age and Sydney Morning Herald for anything from U/S toilets to 5 minute delays. Whether a windshield crack is worthy of a media highlight is very borderline to me. This happens all the time to many aircraft types...

ThomasCook



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User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4974 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21194 times:

Hey guys.. This is totally normal.


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User currently onlineupperdeck From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2010, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21194 times:

Yes yes yes we can all talk about the histeria surrounding the 787 but would the FAA really launch an investigation into the design and manufacturing of it if they didn't think there was something worth investigating?

The fact is, the number of 787 'glitches' we've seen so early on - some serious, some not - is outside of the risk appetite for a number of people, the FAA included it would seem. You'd not expect Boeing to say anything other than 'these are normal for an introduction' etc etc. It's not up to Boeing to reassure the flying public, it's up to the FAAs and CAAs of the world to do that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20988117


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21019 times:
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Quoting upperdeck (Reply 15):
Yes yes yes we can all talk about the histeria surrounding the 787 but would the FAA really launch an investigation into the design and manufacturing of it if they didn't think there was something worth investigating?

In the face of widespread media panic then yes, they might - to shut everyone up.



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2056 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 20516 times:

All these tech issue so far have been mechanical or electrical system.
While important, these failures are also common on other types.

I'm waiting for the first time the 787 fuselage gets damaged. It will be interesting to see how quickly the damage gets repaired and the plane returned to service.

bt



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User currently offlineGSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 19675 times:

I seriously think it would make the news if a 787 has to divert due to weather at its destination.

User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6997 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 19576 times:

So we are not suggesting that all 787's be grounded until Boeing and the FAA can correct the issue?
Hopefully it is not a design problem with the glass.  


User currently offlineToni_ From Cape Verde, joined Apr 2002, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19360 times:

I know a guy who works for UA maintenance, and he was telling me in confidence the other day that the rubber on them things that go round and round under the 787 aircraft is showing signs of wear and tear after each flight. Couldn't believe what I was hearing!

Man, I swear... Boeing needs to get their sh%te together!   


User currently offlinej.mo From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19064 times:

Quoting Toni_ (Reply 20):
I know a guy who works for UA maintenance, and he was telling me in confidence the other day that the rubber on them things that go round and round under the 787 aircraft is showing signs of wear and tear after each flight. Couldn't believe what I was hearing!

Boeing makes tires too?

JM



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3371 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18845 times:
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In perspective, the 747 introduction had windshield problems and many only lasted two flights.. I believe this is only the third for the 787 .. (one prior to delivery and two since)... big whooping deal.

User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 848 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18683 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 2):
Quoting worldrider (Thread starter):
Yet another incident with the dreamliner, cracks have been discovered on
the cockpit window on a domestic flight.

Come on, the next time they blame that aircraft for bird strikes.

Are you kidding, wait until the next time a service truck runs into a dreamliner! Here will be the headline "Dreamliner involved in yet another incident. Lavatory service truck strikes dreamliner.....boeing defending that the airplane is not full of _______"


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3718 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17731 times:

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 10):
So a "broken window" is not a big deal at all.

Except for whoever foots the bill... Those aren't cheap, especially the 787 ones.

Still, it wouldn't be in the news if it wasn't for the other events.
Worry would be warranted if it started happening repeatedly.



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25 SSTeve : Yeah, every hiccup will get a general interest news writeup for a few months. Just wait for longer articles that recap every anomaly so far and have
26 Wisdom : I have to cry bull.... Windshield cracks are common... if we're talking 1 or 2 occurences per month in a fleet of 100 aircraft, with windshields havin
27 CalebWilliams : I thought Boeing designed it with WeatherImpervious feature that just magically moves weather to other parts of the world...
28 Post contains images cbphoto : Breaking news: A paint chip on one of Uniteds brand new 787s was discovered after a routine flight! Seriously, this is how ridiculous it is getting! C
29 Viscount724 : Is that really true? It seems many for an aircraft which entered service no so long ago![/quote] Delivery dates of ANA's 17 787s per Boeing website (w
30 FlexJetOKC : This is like saying a semi flung a rock up that hit your windshield and chipped it. This (windshield cracks on airplanes) happens EVERY day! Its prett
31 Wisdom : Windshields don't crack for no reason this early in their service life. Bird strike and FOD is the main cause of cracking, but this isn't the case in
32 ordpark : USAIR landed in BOS this afternoon with a cracked windshield...believe it was an Airbus...No media attention! Like somebody referred too, anytime the
33 Viscount724 : For 2012 alone there are several dozen cracked windshield reports involving a wide variety of types in the Transport Canada daily occurrence database
34 FI642 : News hogs. Like no other aircraft has ever had a cracked windshield. I don't get it. In the last 30 years in aviation, I've seen many cracked windshie
35 Wisdom : If you have a look , several of these occurrences were related to heat malfunction. You know what the main reason for heat malfunction of the windshi
36 Post contains images calvo747 : ANA should ask Boeing for compensation, I'm sure a Qatar would..........
37 kanban : Sorry.. that is incorrect. with the 747 there was a problem in the assembly which coupled with flight stresses caused windshields to crack after very
38 Stitch : I would expect such a situation to have resulted in cracks appearing during flight test as well as during the year-plus NH had airframes in revenue s
39 Post contains links and images Aerowrench : The Internet proves dangerous once again. Windshields crack/shatter on a regular basis; that is, generally speaking, a single ply (usually the the out
40 Post contains images danild : This is from my 787 flight from Chicago to Houston a few weeks ago... Although I absolutely LOOOOVED my 787 experience I was kind of dissapointed that
41 tdscanuck : Non-FOD windshield cracking is a form of infant mortality, which happens to *all* LRUs for *all* aircraft. This falls under the stack of "this is how
42 kanban : Thanks..PPG took over the 747 windshields when the original supplier couldn't resolve the problem.. they do build a good windshield.. As I recall, th
43 Skydrol : and tomorrow's Dreamliner headline: Liquid witnessed pouring out of Boeing 787 while airplane is parked at gate! - Witness videos on YouTube! Of cours
44 Post contains images a36001 : The media will focus on the 787 simply because they remember the delays at the beginning of the program, and because it's the latest and greatest. The
45 challengerdan : Used to work the flight line at an aircraft manufacturer. Windshields would crack every now and then after only 2 or 3 flight cycles. Probably heard o
46 Post contains images Wisdom : As far as I'm concerned, you're just backing up my comment that windows don't shatter for no reason. Very often attributed to wrong installation of t
47 Kaiarahi : Breaking news: "Unflushed turd found in 787 toilet. Fleet grounded until investigation completed. Analysts report that ETOPS certification may be wit
48 Kaiarahi : And I'm just waiting for this one. From the EASA certificate: "Boeing and GE have determined that the GEnx engines on these 787-8 aircraft intermitten
49 CALTECH : Incorrect, examples you give are very rare. Top two reasons for a windshield cracking, Windshield goes bad and or Heat Controller failure. It is not
50 babybus : I know many hear want to pass off the windscreen cracks as insignificant saying it happens all the time but you don't expect your windscreen to crack
51 Stitch : NH has reported three incidents and I believe they were all on frames used for domestic flights, so they would have more cycles on them...
52 Viscount724 : I've noted that the 787 only has 4 windshield panels while the A350 has 6, presumably for a similar total window area. I wonder if larger panels make
53 Stitch : The original A350XWB had four cockpit windows and I believe they were of similar dimension to the 787. Airbus went with six windows when they switche
54 challengerdan : Windshields cracking and windshields blow-outs are definitely not the same thing. A windshield face ply cracking in the case of glass windshields or
55 Post contains links challengerdan : I even found on the net one occurrence where a total of 22 windshields cracked on 14 different aircrafts during a 90 minutes period (Feb 2007). Now th
56 Rheinbote : The 787 has structural windhshields. They are bolted to the frame, not clamped like on all previous Boeing airplanes, so they *are* subject to struct
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