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Ryan International Airlines Ceases Operations  
User currently offlinedeltabobo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 23705 times:

Another bites the dust!

I feel sorry for all the employees who were affected by this...They are in my thoughts and prayers.

The article from the local Rockford newspaper

http://www.wrex.com/story/20567156/2...international-airlines-liquidating


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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 23691 times:

When Berkhoff Industries of Rockford (Parent company of Ryan) put their prized "VIP" MD-88 (which they spent 2 MIL on VIP upgrades, just to let it sit for the remainder of its days) out to pasture in the "derelict aircraft pad" at RFD, I figured something bad was going to happen. I've been hearing horror stories from employess for the past couple months.   I wish only the best to the former employees of Ryan.


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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 23618 times:

The good days of flying for Apple Vacations and US Army are gone and so is the airline.

User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 23510 times:

They may have financing lined up, but not for more than a week. Their AMC flying has been removed.
It is quite doubtful they will get back into the air.



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User currently offlinedeltabobo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 23341 times:

Quoting United727 (Reply 1):

It was Rubloff Development Group & It was a VIP MD-87 (N167AS)



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 23298 times:

I wonder where those 777s and that 330 will go........


次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 23275 times:

Quoting deltabobo (Reply 4):
Rubloff Development Group & It was a VIP MD-87 (N167AS)

Little details..lol...thanks you much for the correction! "Was" would be incorrect verbiage....It still "IS" sitting ready for SCRAP.



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User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5027 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 23274 times:

Very sad! I feel terrible for the employees, and hope they find work soon.


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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23173 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
I wonder where those 777s and that 330 will go........

While they had plans in the past to get some, they do not have any 777s, just one (2000 built) A332.


User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23164 times:
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My thread from this morning was deleted because the mods said that it was based on rumors. Unfortunately the rumors are true. Ryan flew the A330 and a 767 back to RFD last night in anticipation of the shutdown. I highly doubt that Ryan will be back. Best of luck to the employees and their families.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22926 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 8):

Oh I'm mistaking it for omni.

So where will that 330 go?
DL?   



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 22810 times:

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 9):
My thread from this morning was deleted because the mods said that it was based on rumors. Unfortunately the rumors are true. Ryan flew the A330 and a 767 back to RFD last night in anticipation of the shutdown. I highly doubt that Ryan will be back. Best of luck to the employees and their families.

They have now announced liquidation. Very sad. Aitrran737 knows his stuff.



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User currently offlinewestindian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 22350 times:

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 9):
My thread from this morning was deleted because the mods said that it was based on rumors. Unfortunately the rumors are true. Ryan flew the A330 and a 767 back to RFD last night in anticipation of the shutdown. I highly doubt that Ryan will be back. Best of luck to the employees and their families.
Quoting FI642 (Reply 11):
They have now announced liquidation. Very sad. Aitrran737 knows his stuff.

So are the mods going to apologize?  

I haven't heard too much about Ryan outside of the charters. I'd be interested to see what events led to them closing down.



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User currently offlinephunc From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 21753 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 8):
just one (2000 built) A332.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
So where will that 330 go?

They did lease an A333 from VS which was returned to VS as G-VINE last year - or is this a different one?


User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 21635 times:

Quoting phunc (Reply 13):
or is this a different one?

A different one: A332 originally ex-LX then to Atlasjet (including SV ops).



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User currently offlineMYT332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 21013 times:

All the best to Ted Burson, Admiral of the old Ghana fleet at Ryan.


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User currently offlinealphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 20587 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
Quoting Polot (Reply 8):

Oh I'm mistaking it for omni.

So where will that 330 go?
DL?

I believe the 330 was actually leased from VS - they were down to only the 330 and 2 763s as of yesterday, all of which I believe were leased. They may have owned the MD-80s but they parked those a few weeks ago.

Very sad and hope the employees find work soon. With the AMC flying drying up fast and the majors like UA and DL picking up a large chunk of charter operations even with some big AMC flying, I wouldn't be surprised to see Atlas as the only one left standing after another year. Difficult to compete as a charter operator flying AMC or any other commercial pax flights when UA and DL have IFE and premium seating and all you have is economy with old TVs in the aisles. I think Omni may be OK with their 777s and fairly established contracts out west - made a good decision ditching the DC-10s, as much as I hated to see them go!


User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7146 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 20472 times:

So the USA does actually allow airlines to go bust in chpt.11 versus always resurrecting them like DL, UA and possible AA, say it ain't so   I could not resist.

Our best wishes to the workers, the aviation industry is growing, however, the initial boost is being taken up by staff working longer hours and putting in more overtime, versus new hires, time is the issue.


User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19857 times:

How much are they owed by Atlasjet?

User currently offlineElGrandeB777CA From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19067 times:

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 16):
I wouldn't be surprised to see Atlas as the only one left standing after another year.

Atlas growth has been on the back of others money...Atlas will be the weakest of the supplemental carriers when the dust settles over the next year or two...Evergreen or World Airways are my pick for the next to fall. Omni has no debt, so unless some investment group buys them and steals their credit and loads the airline up with debt and runs with the money, Omni will be around for the time being....Cheers


User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2040 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19045 times:

We now have a clue to who Peoplexpress has in mind for an AOC.


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User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16282 times:
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Quoting ElGrandeB777CA (Reply 19):

Atlas growth has been on the back of others money...Atlas will be the weakest of the supplemental carriers when the dust settles over the next year or two...Evergreen or World Airways are my pick for the next to fall. Omni has no debt, so unless some investment group buys them and steals their credit and loads the airline up with debt and runs with the money, Omni will be around for the time being....Cheers

Evergreen is in a perilous position right now and their days may be numbered. World is poised to come out of Chapter 11 pretty soon and should be able to be competitive for quite some time. I think Omni made around 90 million last year. They are a smart company with low costs and people running them who know how to diversify their product and not rely on AMC for everything.



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User currently offlinealphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15225 times:

[quote=ElGrandeB777CA,reply=19]Quoting alphaomega (Reply 16):
I wouldn't be surprised to see Atlas as the only one left standing after another year.

Atlas growth has been on the back of others money...Atlas will be the weakest of the supplemental carriers when the dust settles over the next year or two...Evergreen or World Airways are my pick for the next to fall. Omni has no debt, so unless some investment group buys them and steals their credit and loads the airline up with debt and runs with the money, Omni will be around for the time being....Cheers[/quot

I think Evergreen is soon to be on the way out, World and North American (Global Aviation Holdings) may come out of Ch 11 but ever since they went in last Feb, they said they would be out in June, then Oct, then Dec, and here it is almost a year later. I hope they do pull out but their fleet is less than half what it used to be. Southern Air is also in a pickle, but I would agree with you on Omni - they own their aircraft, have solid vacation routes, and some AMC to supplement (not dependent on AMC like the others. Atlas is still the heavyweight and I don't see them flirting with Ch. 11 anytime soon, regardless of how their growth comes about.


User currently offlineduckbilled From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13675 times:

As someone without insider knowledge (and flies mostly for tourism), why have all of these charters gone belly up?

10 years ago, many of the flights to holiday destinations were handled by Ryan International, ATA and similar. It seems like after 2003, many of these charters began to focus on military flights. Scheduled air was still cheap to places like Cancun and companies like Funjet and Apple began to use scheduled air rather than charters. Now that prices have exploded for scheduled air (100% increase for flights to Cancun on Delta from 2010, for example), it seems like the charters would be able revert back to their old business models and stay in business.

Clearly my assumption is incorrect but I was wondering if someone could explain the issue.


User currently offlineTardis From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13144 times:

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 9):

My thread from this morning was deleted because the mods said that it was based on rumors. Unfortunately the rumors are true. Ryan flew the A330 and a 767 back to RFD last night in anticipation of the shutdown. I highly doubt that Ryan will be back. Best of luck to the employees and their families.

I know you knew what was going on. Apparently so did FI642. Very sad another carrier is gone.


25 Boeing757/767 : Atlas Air the weakest of the supplemental carriers? Huh? Remember, the bulk of Atlas's business is cargo, plus some of the pax flying is scheduled for
26 reality : Actually...nothing new. It does happen. Remember PanAm, Eastern, etc?
27 gdg9 : Atlas Air stock closed at $45.42 Friday.
28 Post contains images LAXintl : And a very profitable enterprise.
29 Post contains links and images CO7e7 : Very sad indeed. I remember flying on one of their 763s (N125RD) when I finished my tour of duty in Iraq. The routing was: KWI-LEJ-YQX-POB It was by f
30 maxamuus : Sad to see them fold. One of my first flights by myself was on a Ryan flight back in the day when they were flying for Morris Air.
31 Post contains links and images PMUA787 : I remember when they had A320's and flew them for AirTran back in 2003-2004 out of ATL to LAX/SFO/LAS and occasionally MCO before FL got their own B73
32 mke717spotter : Well, I guess things are going to become even quieter at RFD now. I've actually had my fair share of RD flights, all of them Funjet Vacations charters
33 rsmith6621a : Evergreen this operating quarter will be operating at an estimated $11 million dollar deficit. Dell Smith has had to use his own money for many of th
34 adamh8297 : Where are you travelling from and what month were you looking at for travel to CUN? I've been to the Mayan Riviera on several occasions since 2003 on
35 ElGrandeB777CA : Pan Am not going anywhere... Eastern not going anywhere... Braniff not going anywhere... ATA not going anywhere.... Northwest not going anywhere.... T
36 SKC : Do you seriously believe that a group of investors would have made a business plan months ago with the Ryan certificate in mind? They would have made
37 skytonysfo : I thought Ryan International was doing business with Atlas JET of Turkey not Altas Air of the United States. Atlas Jet was the carrier that failed to
38 Newark727 : I thought Ryan had already gone, didn't they go bankrupt a couple of years ago? I hope this doesn't turn out too badly for the former employees.
39 Jamake1 : You are correct. The other posters were merely talking about Atlas Air (US) because they also fly military charters, but unlike Ryan International, A
40 duckbilled : DTW-CUN - done the flight about 14 times in the past 7 years. You are right. The flight was always $300-$400. If you took 1-stops you could get it fo
41 airtran737 : Sounds like the A330 went to MZJ yesterday, and a 767 is stuck in Brazil waiting on a part to clear customs. Also heard that Evergreen may close the d
42 rsmith6621a : Airtans... where did you hear that at???
43 airtran737 : It's on another forum
44 rsmith6621a : Which??
45 luv2fly : Price wise yes, though you need to find a tour operator to sell the seats and take the risk. Though having lived in DTW and worked for a tour operato
46 dlramp4life : I know when I left AZA, Ryan International was picking up some of the "Conair" flights and ICE flights. I wonder what is happening now and what lies i
47 usxguy : Falcon is also doing runs for DAE - the "new" Dutch Antilles airline... leaves MIA daily at 545AM (eek!)
48 deltabobo : Here's the issue with RD. In 2005, Ron Ryan sold the company to a commercial real estate firm in RFD, Rubloff Development. With the current state of t
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