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AA's 77W Is On The Move  
User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 33928 times:

It will be flying a company charter today under flight numbers 9708 and 9709. It will be carrying members of aircraft maintenance and inflight products division. Leaves DFW at 0800 arrives MIA at 1337. Departes MIA at 1400 arrives back in DFW at 1604. Still all grey.

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User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 681 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 33616 times:

I'm really impressed that the thing is going to actually be flying revenue routes on the 31st. I was reading over on travel polls about how to get a Brazilian visa so I can go with the bird to Brazil!

User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 33443 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
I was reading over on travel polls about how to get a Brazilian visa so I can go with the bird to Brazil!

Pretty easy process overall, but it can take about 10 days from start to finish. Last I checked it was $150usd for a Visa, first entry within 90 days. Not sure now but in the past it was either good for 90 days or good for 5 years. Not sure how it is now.

Your lucky man if you get to fly on her! I wish I had the time and $$$$. If you do be sure to post a report and lots of pictures.


User currently offlineRodRB From Brazil, joined Feb 2010, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 33302 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
on travel polls about how to get a Brazilian visa so I can go with the bird to Brazil!
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brazi...rist-visa-brazil-questions-18.html

This thread may help you with the visa!


User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 32975 times:

Did they use the 77W so they could get a little bit of crew training/experience on the real bird before the GRU flight?

User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 32865 times:

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 4):
Did they use the 77W so they could get a little bit of crew training/experience on the real bird before the GRU flight?

Crew training is merely 4 pages of differences training from the 772 to the 77W. IMHO its just a demo flight. Its only in MIA for 30 mins, not enough time to do much of anything except gas n go.

Hopefully some MIA spotters will catch some pics.


User currently offlineboeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1027 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 32836 times:

Rumour has it there are stripes and some decals on this airframe that where applied in house at DWH


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User currently offlineamerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3795 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 32834 times:
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Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 4):
Did they use the 77W so they could get a little bit of crew training/experience on the real bird before the GRU flight?

I think you're right. Several things happen:

-Pilot training, so that they get familiar with the airplane although familiarization will be easy for them if they are type rated on the 772 already.

-MX crews in MIA, so they get introduced to the new bird, although most parts are common with the 772.

-DFW and MIA based flight attendants, they get familiar with the cabin and galley layouts.

-Gate space allocation available in MIA, so that airport planners have a better idea of what clearance is required.

And last but not least:

-Spotters in MIA will see it and shoot it with their cameras.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 32760 times:

Quoting american 767 (Reply 7):
Gate space allocation available in MIA, so that airport planners have a better idea of what clearance is required.

Not going to a gate in MIA, parking at hangar for gas n go only.

Quoting boeing767mech (Reply 6):
Rumour has it there are stripes and some decals on this airframe that where applied in house at DWH

From what I have heard this is true, aircraft will EIS with a generic hybrid scheem (basically AA's current over the grey n white). The new livery is postponed indenfianately.

AA and UCC have asked for another extention till mid April. So I doubt we will see anything till then at the earliest.


User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 32620 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 8):
AA and UCC have asked for another extention till mid April.

20 days until April 1st.



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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 32594 times:

Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 9):
20 days until April 1st.

Now that would be a fun day to introduce a new livery...paint it all up in something new, then say "Ha, Just kidding!"


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 31106 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 8):
From what I have heard this is true, aircraft will EIS with a generic hybrid scheem (basically AA's current over the grey n white). The new livery is postponed indenfianately.

Really? That's going to look horrible and it's a public relations gaffe.

I guess the new AA is going to look completely dysfunctional. Not a good way to kick off at all.


User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1632 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 31059 times:

Just departed around 10:45. From what I've heard, the main purpose of the flight is IFE testing (which would explain the weird routing over Mexico, if they're trying to test the global satellte wi-fi).

Snapped a picture of her blasting off the 35s:



[Edited 2013-01-13 09:54:05]


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User currently offlineAM From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 589 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 30192 times:
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Quoting N243NW (Reply 12):
(which would explain the weird routing over Mexico, if they're trying to test the global satellte wi-fi).

Was just wondering about the same thing... Too bad it will just skip Mexico City (where I'm at)...



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User currently offlineliftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 30091 times:

Appears to be exactly as it was two months ago...

Anyone else feel like they're pulling this out way too long and wasting precious revenue time?



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User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 29855 times:

Quoting american 767 (Reply 7):
And last but not least:

-Spotters in MIA will see it and shoot it with their cameras.

A most important step in the process.
 


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 29841 times:

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 14):
Anyone else feel like they're pulling this out way too long and wasting precious revenue time?

At this time the EIS date is set and will not likely change, unless something unforseen comes up. However, at this point it will EIS as you see it.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 29525 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
Leaves DFW at 0800 arrives MIA at 1337. Departes MIA at 1400 arrives

According to Flightaware it left late. Will arrive at MIA at 16:10 est.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9708
I need to keep an eye on it. I hope it uses 8R as its takeoff runway then I could be flying right over my house if it does not make the turn to the west early.

[Edited 2013-01-13 10:24:49]


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User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1632 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 29410 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 16):
at this point it will EIS as you see it.

I'm not any more informed than you are, but I very much doubt this statement. For the airline to debut its brand-new flagship aircraft on one of its most prestigious international routes with nothing more than a blank placeholder nightmare would be a PR fiasco. I have a feeling that AA's got something up their sleeves for this aircraft, and there are still more than 2 weeks to go before EIS.



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User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2461 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 29328 times:

Man they are really trying to avoid that weather!

Joking aside, I actually like that livery. I hope it means that AA is seriously considering a livery change away from their metallic grey they have going on.



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User currently onlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 24798 times:
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Any idea why GRU for the 77W and not something with more percieved prestige like LHR or NRT?


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 24796 times:

Quoting N243NW (Reply 18):
I'm not any more informed than you are, but I very much doubt this statement. For the airline to debut its brand-new flagship aircraft on one of its most prestigious international routes with nothing more than a blank placeholder nightmare would be a PR fiasco. I have a feeling that AA's got something up their sleeves for this aircraft, and there are still more than 2 weeks to go before EIS.

I have to agree. Remember, AA is in Bankruptcy. They have just weathered a horrible PR nightmare with labor action. They are going back on forth on a merger. Their public image is very compromised as it is.

To debut the flagship in some hybrid livery makes no sense for two reasons:
1) The aircraft would have to be pulled out of service and the livery painted once the new brand is revealed, meaning loss of revenue.
2) It would make the airline look disjointed and dysfunctional. Image means a lot in this sort of business, don't forget.

Frankly, to debut in some transitional livery would be indicative of a management that is wishy-washy and can't make firm decisions. That is the job of management, after all...to make decisions.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 24437 times:

Funny thing is that they can't even adopt TACA's solution to the problem, which would be painting the aircraft in the alliance livery. Oneworld doesn't have a full livery.

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5760 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 24359 times:

Geez AA, paint the damned thing already!


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User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 24060 times:

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 20):

Any idea why GRU for the 77W and not something with more percieved prestige like LHR or NRT?


AA always used to sell-out First and Business at GRU at full price. People would be standing by for no-shows, prepared to pay the difference. I assume they are at least still doing well if not selling out. Prestige markets feature a lot of promotional and top tier upgrades.



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25 AeroWesty : I didn't stop to get an exact count, but today, AA will send somewhere around seven or eight planes to GRU. Just like every other day. The livery on
26 Post contains links CalebWilliams : I see it's skirting the storm right now south of Louisiana: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...9/history/20130113/1900Z/KMIA/KDFW
27 N62NA : Well, that would be good if true, as it would indicate that we'll be seeing the AA 77W here in MIA (hopefully sooner rather than later).
28 CIDFlyer : well it looks like it has no decals on it and plain...I just wish they would hurry up and get this livery revealed...whats the hold up!??
29 nomorerjs : I flew DFW/EWR round trip out of C back to A last week and one 77W was parked outside the old DL hanger in gray. Not much going on Tue and Thu.
30 cosyr : Not much info, but there is a little clue about the new livery. The white on the tail continues down the fuselage like QANTAS. Does anyone have any pr
31 rj777 : Ya know, I was just thinking..... does anyone remember how Aerolineas Argentinas used to have a double A on their tail? What's to keep AA from doing t
32 WingedMigrator : Uhh, maybe a red, white and blue kangaroo?
33 AA94 : Agreed. I find it hard to believe that AA wouldn't capitalize on the opportunity to launch their new branding. They've got their brand-new 77W, first
34 BA0197 : This is maddening. I have a flight from LHR on the 15th of March on one of these birds and would like to know how it will look. I want to actually see
35 Post contains images liftsifter : Because they already do..
36 Post contains links and images rj777 : Actually, I meant more like this: View Large View MediumPhoto © Morris Biondi with the A's stacked on top of each other
37 NASCARAirforce : Why is it taking 4 1/2 hours from DFW to MIA? Wow is it March already?
38 flyfree727 : It was a test flight. Take a look at flight aware for the flight path AA ORD
39 SKAirbus : Part of me thinks AA will chicken out and just revert to the current livery on the bird...
40 GEN2STEW : The untimate doublecross! That would be the AA I know and love!
41 PDX88 : Whats the word on 7LC? All the focus has been on 7LA and 7LB in DFW, could 7LC be getting the final livery up at PAE right now?
42 Post contains links catdaddy63 : http://paineairport.com/kpae5815.htm 7LC returned to PAE painted just like the first two.
43 HermansCVR580 : For all this waiting and dinking around this better be the color scheme of the century!!!!
44 Post contains images PRAirbus : I saw it yesterday evening climbing out of MIA, flew over Biscayne Bay (no logo though!!! . ). What a mystery!!!!
45 rj777 : Where are the rest of the 77Ws? Are they tucked inside of a hangar?
46 ckfred : Who says that AA has to wait to exit bankruptcy to unveil a new livery? Remember that UA's last tulip livery came out in either late '03 or early '04,
47 WA707atMSP : Somewhere deep within AA's headquarters, the few people who actually know what the livery will look like, and when it will debut, are laughing at all
48 Post contains links and images eksath : Here are some pictures from the arrival and departure. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5 Departure taxi to 08R
49 817Dreamliiner : Nice Photos, Thanks for sharing those. I can see these photos starting up quite a discussion!
50 Post contains images flyorski : This is the final paint scheme! See, they already applied the titles "American" to the fuselage.. so enjoy this new livery everyone, we now know how t
51 Post contains images A388 : LOL I totally agree with you on this A388
52 ckfred : Looking at the nose gear doors, I'm curious. Does the ship no. "7LA" appear to be in a slightly different typeface? I went through the database to loo
53 JoePatroni707 : As time moves on its more likely aircraft will either EIS as you see them now or delay EIS. We are just a tad over two weeks away from the big day and
54 PDX88 : 6 days ago. And it's the only 77W within proximity to a paint hangar at the moment. Anyone know if it's sitting on the ramp or in a hangar at PAE?
55 Post contains images A388 : Maybe we should ask agents Mulder and Scully of the X Files to investigate because I have a feeling that aliens are behind this AA new livery Just kid
56 qf002 : I'm probably reading way too far into it, but could we see a greyscale sort of livery? I'm thinking a grey base, big black titles (same font) and a sp
57 N243NW : Beautiful photos, Suresh. It's good to know that someone was able to snap some photos of her at the other end of her flight. Not sure about others, b
58 Gulfstream650 : I'm actually supprised of the fact that there have not been any "grey VIP 777 at MIA/DFW" threads.
59 Mcoov : There's supposed to be something regarding the New AA this week, right? Wednesday maybe?
60 Post contains images Stitch : With four(?) threads on the paint scheme pushing into the four figures total of posts, I think every a.net member knows those are AA planes. Of cours
61 N62NA : Interesting that there are 6 windows for the 2 rows of F, and only 3 windows for the 2 rows of J in the first zone.
62 B747forever : Is that confirmed or just a rumour from someone here?
63 chepos : I'll go out on a limb and say that is an A.net rumor or a rumor nonetheless.
64 SXDFC : Are those AA pilots or Boeing pilots flying that plane when she was at MIA?
65 Robt760 : FWIW, there is a paint hangar at the Boeing San Antonio TX location.
66 Post contains images boeing773ER : I feel like if/when AA is going to announce a new livery they would have a big press conference in DFW about it; with all sorts of press and somethin
67 aacun : Well, AA usually does their quaterly report on the third wednesday of the following month, so lets see that would be.............. The 16th. So unles
68 B377 : And there is another paint hanger that Boeing regularly sends aircraft to be painted. Its right down the road...Meacham Field in FTW. They could easi
69 Post contains links 71Zulu : AA flight number gotta be AA pilots. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...8/history/20130113/1400Z/KDFW/KMIA
70 N243NW : Correct.
71 JoePatroni707 : Only thing new this week at AA is the new Jetnet (company internal website)...and it is Wednesday.
72 Mcoov : I was guessing the day.
73 DocLightning : Tangentially related question: Is there a law or regulation stating that an airliner must carry the airline's name (or DBA) if it is to fly in revenue
74 TZTriStar500 : Yes, there is for 14 CFR 121 carriers, namely 14 CFR 119.9(b): § 119.9 Use of business names. (a) A certificate holder under this part may not opera
75 BlueBus : How the heck has this not been reveled yet? Not going through the 3000 previous messages, has it been announced if AA is re-painting their entire flee
76 DocLightning : That would be standard procedure for any new livery. So what about alliance liveries in which the name of the airline might not even be visible to so
77 Post contains links and images USAIRWAYS321 : I'd say these are pretty visible: View Large View MediumPhoto © Alex Khan Even more so than regional carriers (SkyWest and Compass as examples here)
78 flyfree727 : **Rumor** AA to announce new livery on Thursday. **end of rumor** AA ORD
79 rj777 : They'd better! This is getting ridiculous!
80 817Dreamliiner : We'll see... I hope so though, the last rumor did say sometime this week...
81 TZTriStar500 : From the examples, it can actually be quite small as long as its visible standing next to the aircraft to meet the rule. In essence, anything else ca
82 Post contains links and images 71Zulu : Pinnacle's "Operated by Pinnacle Airlines, Inc" is pretty small but legible: View Large View MediumPhoto © Danny Fritsche
83 Post contains images FWAERJ : As is the "Operated by ExpressJet Airlines" found on EV aircraft. Oddly enough, both DL Connection and UA Express planes for EV have the same decal w
84 DocLightning : also, such regional carriers usually maintain a "DBA" ("Doing Business As") for their major regional contracts, right? IIRC, a "DBA" can be used as t
85 FWAERJ : Either that or "Operated By", as in "United Express operated by ExpressJet Airlines", with "Operated By" being more common these days than "DBA".
86 USAIRWAYS321 : Yes, as it presents the marketed name first, instead of the regional first.
87 B747forever : Just about time they announce it.
88 Post contains images DocLightning : Would someone please call up AA's HQ and tell them that they are killing us by holding off on the new livery and won't they please think of the poor
89 runway23 : Realistically is there any 77W or 738 that could even be painted at this point ? It seems hard to believe.
90 skipness1E : The truth is that due to globaliation and the rise of Asia, the branding will change from "American" to "Chinese". It's going to be a culture shock at
91 817Dreamliiner : How so? How long does it take to put decals on?? No one said the titles have to be painted on....[Edited 2013-01-16 05:23:51]
92 aacun : Well, results are out for the 2012 4th quarter and full year. And no mention of the new livery at all.
93 Post contains images PRAirbus : Horton announced today on message to employees that the new livery will be revealed VERY soon! I guess it'll be this week! .
94 Post contains links dfwcre8tive : Here's the article: http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...ints-at-rebranding-very-soon.html/
95 JoePatroni707 : His definition of very soon and airliners.net definition of very soon are likely two different things. Perhaps the new livery will be released before
96 runway23 : I'd expect them to make a big deal like Delta did at the time. And this is AA changing their livery and branding, it is a huge deal.
97 PRAirbus : AA's future new branding will be its latest brand development in the past 30yrs????
98 BD338 : I'm smelling emergence from bankruptcy in 2 weeks. This bird goes to the paint shop later this week, new branding applied. Then 2 weeks from now, hey
99 AeroWesty : Hopefully, the new branding will be just as time-enduring.
100 rj777 : Try 44. The "current" branding was introduced in 1968.
101 ckfred : Logic says to introduce the new brand with the 77W, when it starts into revenue service. But, with the ability of the average person to track AA's 2 7
102 JoePatroni707 : Not on the extra flying summary for the next week.. Perhaps you have inside information Always possible, 737 ship number 3JX is due for delivery anyt
103 Post contains links NYCAAer : The new livery will be introduced on the new 77Ws- this from CEO Tom Horton today- "We're rolling out the new 777-300 at the end of this month, and I
104 Post contains links AeroWesty : Try this link instead: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americ...xpected-unveil-look-174151539.html
105 jalapeno : Love this quote: "Horton didn't offer any clues about colors or logos, which might seem trivial to many passengers but is the subject of much chatteri
106 runway23 : It's not like this has been discussed for three months now... Oh wait it has.
107 rj777 : Yeah, and across 3 separate threads!
108 Post contains links GEG2RAP : Paint shop time for 77W http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9708 Return from paint shop return for 738? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9634
109 PDX88 : Has to be, it's 3JT. This aircraft has already been doing scheduled service for AA under the old scheme for a couple months. What other reason would
110 A388 : According to the flightaware link posted earlier, the aircraft just departed for DFW so it will be arriving in DFW in daylight, is that correct? What
111 skipness1E : N908NN / 3JT
112 A388 : Awesome, looking forward in seeing it on this 737-800 and hopefully in CUR on one of their scheduled flights once it enters commercial service!!! A388
113 N659AA : Can't someone scramble some F16's on 3JT and snap a photo!!!!
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