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Air Transat Announcement, New Planes?  
User currently offlineyowviewer From Canada, joined Jun 2010, 58 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10025 times:

Read a report that Air Transat has a major employee announcement coming up, seems that their partnership with Canjet is ending next spring and they might be purchasing some smaller aircraft. Mentions Boeing 737's, as some of their existing pilots are already rated on them. Anyone have some insight as to what might be happening here as they realign themselves to better handle Sunwing and Rouge ?

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Trans...ents+this+month/7808942/story.html

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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1785 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9840 times:

I guess the best we can do is wait and see. Unions don't have more info and if some employees have, they better stay silent until the official announcement in two days.


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User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2490 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9433 times:

Didn't they just sign up with CanJet for another couple of years?

Why do that when you are going to buy your own 737s.

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1785 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9055 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 2):
Didn't they just sign up with CanJet for another couple of years?

This is a quote from the paper:

But Transat and CanJet were not able to agree on renewing their joint deal and the agreement ends in April 2014.

I don't remember when what you are referring to happened, but if indeed in a year from now that agreement will end, they have no other choice but to act now if the want to stay in that market.

Transat was long the dominant player in wholesale packages to Europe and the Caribbean.

Now they have to adjust. Remember they reported net losses of $16.7 million for 2012, compared with $14.7 million the previous year.



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User currently offlineyowviewer From Canada, joined Jun 2010, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8818 times:

I have flown Air Transat a few times recently, Paris, Orlando, and Punta Cana to name a few. I have always found their services great, and I am hoping this split with Canjet is only a small blip. Fingers crossed !

User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2490 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6994 times:

Well it is obvious TS needs smaller aircraft than the A310s and A330s for some of their Caribbean runs, especially from secondary Canadian cities, such as Ottawa, Quebec, Regina, Saskatoon, etc.

a B738 or A320 are ideal aircraft for such routes. Not to mention that it gives them a possibility to open up new regional markets, much like Sunwing has, i.e YUY, YVO, YZV, YBG, YYB etc.

This being said, if they decide to BUY these aircraft, they will be stuck with them in the summer, as these planes dont have the legs for Canada-Europe.

The best option here is to find another lessor. It's a shame the deal with CanJet didn't work out.

Interesting times ahead for TS. Hope it all works out in the end. Would hate to see Transat Inc. get rid of TS.

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineAirCanadaA330 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6789 times:
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A few years back I heard that they were looking at the 787 and A350...could this possibly have something to do wtih it?
If not has there been any news about that?
Would be nice to see the A350 here in Canada along side the 787

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User currently offlineyxu737 From Canada, joined Jan 2012, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6666 times:

Any idea what time some sort of announcement is going to be made today?

User currently offlinelostsound From Canada, joined May 2012, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6634 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 5):
This being said, if they decide to BUY these aircraft, they will be stuck with them in the summer, as these planes dont have the legs for Canada-Europe.

Depending on how large their fleet of narrowbodies would be, they could easily lease them out or place them on high demand routes within NA like YYZ-LAX or even use them for Hawaii. Maybe NEOs or MAXs could be ordered?

Quoting AirCanadaA330 (Reply 6):
A few years back I heard that they were looking at the 787 and A350...could this possibly have something to do wtih it?

  

Seems like a more likely story. It was a couple years back that they started their review.

Quoting AirCanadaA330 (Reply 6):
Would be nice to see the A350 here in Canada along side the 787

I agree! We may not have many airlines, but it'd be great to atleast have a large diversity of aircraft here.



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User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6502 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 5):
Well it is obvious TS needs smaller aircraft than the A310s and A330s for some of their Caribbean runs, especially from secondary Canadian cities, such as Ottawa, Quebec, Regina, Saskatoon, etc.

a B738 or A320 are ideal aircraft for such routes. Not to mention that it gives them a possibility to open up new regional markets, much like Sunwing has, i.e YUY, YVO, YZV, YBG, YYB etc.

This being said, if they decide to BUY these aircraft, they will be stuck with them in the summer,

Agree on all these points. TS actually operated 734's on winter leases 10+ years ago. I think if they acquire NB's, it will also be on a winter-only basis.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 5):
It's a shame the deal with CanJet didn't work out.

Agreed. Hope Canjet can survive with the loss of this revenue.



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User currently offlineflyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6461 times:

Transat needs planes in the summer - they're very thin on markets in Cuba/Dominican/Mexico due to WBs flying to Europe. If they need these airplanes - it would be summer not winter.

User currently offlineshuttle9juliet From UK - Scotland, joined Jul 2010, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6449 times:

Should have hanged on to the 757s

User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6381 times:

Quoting shuttle9juliet (Reply 11):
Should have hanged on to the 757s

The 752 would serve TS well with summer TA and winter sun capability and as a general A313 replacement (in most A313 markets). Would be ironic if they added the 752 again.



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User currently offlineshuttle9juliet From UK - Scotland, joined Jul 2010, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6301 times:

The 757 for TS is ideal, plus they really should have got a handful of 763 too, pilot commonality would have worked.Saying that the 310 works but sometimes it's just too big.

I wonder if management ever regret about getting rid of them? Saying that why did they get rid of them, ideal for long thin routes like ABZ,EDI,NCL Exeter ect


User currently offlinerampbro From Canada, joined Nov 2012, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6258 times:

Quoting flyyul (Reply 10):
Transat needs planes in the summer - they're very thin on markets in Cuba/Dominican/Mexico due to WBs flying to Europe. If they need these airplanes - it would be summer not winter.

There's far less market to those types of places ex-Canada in the summer, dramatically so from smaller markets. If anything those planes would be better put to use flying domestically, either on sched or in the charter market.

Maybe TS will announce a C-Series order!


User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

Quoting lostsound (Reply 8):
Depending on how large their fleet of narrowbodies would be, they could easily lease them out or place them on high demand routes within NA like LAX or even use them for Hawaii. Maybe NEOs or MAXs could be ordered?

I know! TS could use them to start scheduled service between YYZ-YOW and YYZ-YUL! That would be an excellent strategy for a charter airline!  

[Edited 2013-01-16 09:59:05]

[Edited 2013-01-16 10:00:25]

User currently offlinelostsound From Canada, joined May 2012, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5975 times:

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 15):
I know! TS could use them to start scheduled service between YYZ-YOW and YYZ-YUL! That would be an excellent strategy for a charter airline!

I think you misunderstood.

YYZ/YOW/YUL to LAX, LAS, JFK, MCO, TPA, MIA as well as YVR/YYC/YEG to Hawaii are vacation traffic that is fairly strong in the summer.



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User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5888 times:

Quoting lostsound (Reply 16):
Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 15):
I know! TS could use them to start scheduled service between YYZ-YOW and YYZ-YUL! That would be an excellent strategy for a charter airline!

I think you misunderstood.

YYZ/YOW/YUL to LAX, LAS, JFK, MCO, TPA, MIA as well as YVR/YYC/YEG to Hawaii are vacation traffic that is fairly strong in the summer.

No, I understood your point (with which I have no quarrel). I was referring to prior charter operators who tried to move into scheduled ops in direct competition to AC's rapidair, and paid the price.


User currently offlinelostsound From Canada, joined May 2012, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5858 times:

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 17):
No, I understood your point (with which I have no quarrel). I was referring to prior charter operators who tried to move into scheduled ops in direct competition to AC's rapidair, and paid the price.

Ah I see. No that method never works out.

Sunwing used to do YYZ-YYT in the summer which they stopped doing.
Air Canada and Westjet offered lower fares AND more product.



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User currently offlinedrgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

The news is out. Transat would like to bring in internally its 737 operations but wants to cut $20 million in costs. To do that, it is going to its employees for concessions. They already accepted a salary freeze and salaries are not to be touched this time. It's looking at other concessions, like having crews stay near the airport instead of downtown, etc...

http://www.lesaffaires.com/secteurs-...+Group&utm_medium=Kazi+Media+Group


User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5569 times:

Quoting drgmobile (Reply 19):
Transat would like to bring in internally its 737 operations but wants to cut $20 million in costs.

Interesting, looks like they're trying to maintain similar operations to what they have now. I have a feeling that they'll be able to accomplish this, though I wonder what it will do to their cost structure. It's also worth noting that "Carol Lavoie, president of the pilots union, said Wednesday that from what he knows the employer’s demands aren’t “excessive.” "

Here's an english article for those interested
http://www.thestar.com/business/arti...0-million-of-costs-from-operations



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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1785 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5343 times:

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 9):
TS actually operated 734's on winter leases 10+ years ago.

Yep, these two birds during the '97-'98, '98-'99 & '99-'00 winters.


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I wonder how many 737s they would in the fleet, and how many wide-bodies would they drop for that.

Quoting shuttle9juliet (Reply 11):
Should have hanged on to the 757s

Already, why did they drop them ?



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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1785 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5248 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 21):
I wonder how many 737s they would like to have in the fleet

The number of 737s Transat wants to introduce “is the big question. We don’t know that one yet,” Buzzell told The Gazette.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/busin...+union+cautious/7829623/story.html



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User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 21):
Quoting shuttle9juliet (Reply 11):
Should have hanged on to the 757s

Already, why did they drop them ?

They were standardizing/rationalizing their fleet, and chose the 313 instead of the 752.



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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1785 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 23):
They were standardizing/rationalizing their fleet, and chose the 313 instead of the 752.

Right. Some here think they should have kept the 752s, but on the matter of fleet simplification and range flexibility, it was certainly the right move then, not to forget that both aircraft types had a rather similar seat capacity.



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25 thenoflyzone : The A310 has slightly better range, allowing TS to operate to Continental Europe with greater ease than with the 752. Let's not forget that back then
26 SpaceshipDC10 : Exactly, this is what I meant, especially with the range flexibility (of the A310 of course compared with the 752). Now I realise by the way I wrote
27 thenoflyzone : Not necessarily. the A310 competes with the B767. Similar seating and range. TS operates 2 class A310s with 249 seats. If it were to operate a 2 clas
28 yyz717 : The 752 has lower unit costs (CASM) than the A313, and in the low yield charter market, that counts for alot. Also, C3 (Canada 3000) used to fly thei
29 Post contains images YVRLTN : I have seen the 313 on YVR-LGW and AMS - not regularly, but it has happened (poor pax...). A 757 couldnt do that. Wonder if they would be Canjet airc
30 yowviewer : Curious - what does Sunwing do with their 738's during the summer? Rarely see them at YOW or YUL compared to winter time. Are these wet-leased and ret
31 Post contains images SPaceshipDC10 : Each winter they lease in several aircraft to cope with Canadian demand.
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