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OAG Changes 1/18/2013: AA/DL/F9/NK/UA  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7640 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


Due to programming I need to do to update the database, next week's update will be very late. Probably late 1/26 or 1/27.

3U SPN-CAN APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3
3U SPN-PVG APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.6 SEP 0>0.6

7C GUM-ICN APR 1.6>1.9 MAY 1.6>2 JUN 1.6>2 JUL 1.5>2 AUG 1.6>2 SEP 1.6>2

9K BOS-RUT JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
9K BOS-SLK JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4

*AA JFK-SDQ APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
*AA JFK-STI APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0

AC FLL-YUL MAR 4>5 MAY 2>1.5 JUN 2>1.7 SEP 2>1.6
AC FLL-YYZ MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.9 SEP 2>1.7
AC MCO-YUL JUN 1.1>1.0 JUL 1.3>1.0 AUG 1.3>1.0
AC MCO-YYZ MAR 5>6 MAY 2>3

Another week, another change of heart
*AM ATL-MEX MAR 0.1>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

*AZ EWR-FCO MAY 0.3>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0 SEP 0.7>0
*AZ JFK-FCO MAY 1.9>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3

B6 BOS-RSW MAY 3>4
B6 FLL-BOS MAY 5>6
*B6 FLL-MDE JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
B6 JFK-AUA MAY 1.2>1.5 JUN 1.5>1.7
B6 JFK-LIR MAY 0.7>0.4 JUN 0.7>0.6
B6 JFK-UVF MAY 0.4>0.5

CM BOS-PTY JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
CM MCO-PTY JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4

DL ATL-IAD MAR 8>9 APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9 AUG 8>9
DL ATL-ROC JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3
DL JFK-YQB MAY 2>0.5
DL LGA-AVL MAR 0>1.0
DL LGA-CLE MAR 5>4
DL LGA-ILM APR 1.9>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 1.9>3
DL LGA-YUL APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4
DL SLC-YVR APR 1.9>1.6
DL SLC-YYC APR 1.9>2

So, they are nearly closing COS. They have a few flights per week left. No surprise I guess.
*F9 DEN-COS MAR 3>0.1 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 0.9>0

*FL MDW-MBJ APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.2
*FL MDW-PUJ MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.2

G4 AZA-BLI AUG 0.6>0.4
G4 AZA-RAP AUG 0.4>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.3
G4 FLL-GSP SEP 0.6>0.4
G4 SFB-SHV AUG 0.4>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.3

IB BOS-MAD JUL 1.0>1.1 AUG 1.0>1.2 SEP 1.0>1.4
IB JFK-MAD JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3

LW BRL-ORD JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0
LW BRL-STL JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0
LW DEC-ORD JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0
LW DEC-STL JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0
LW JBR-STL JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0

LY EWR-TLV FEB 0.9>0.8

M5 BFI-ESD FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0
M5 BFI-FRD FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2

NK DFW-CUN MAY 0.4>1.0 JUN 0.8>1.0
Another big cut at FLL
NK FLL-BQN MAY 0.7>0.6 JUN 0.7>0.6 JUL 0.7>0.6 AUG 0.7>0.5
NK FLL-KIN APR 0>0.1 MAY 0.7>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.5 AUG 1.0>0.6
NK FLL-LBE JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7
NK FLL-LIM AUG 1.0>0.6
NK FLL-MBJ MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.8 JUL 1.0>0.8 AUG 1.0>0.9
NK FLL-MGA MAY 0.5>0.4 JUN 0.6>0.4 JUL 0.6>0.4 AUG 0.6>0.5
NK FLL-ORD JUL 2>3
NK FLL-PTY MAY 0.7>0.4 JUN 0.7>0.4 JUL 0.7>0.5 AUG 0.7>0.4
NK FLL-PUJ AUG 1.0>0.6
NK FLL-SAP MAY 0.7>0.6 JUN 0.7>0.6 JUL 0.7>0.5 AUG 0.7>0.6
NK FLL-SJO APR 1.6>1.5 MAY 1.7>1.4 JUN 1.7>1.4 JUL 1.7>1.4 AUG 1.7>1.5
NK FLL-TPA MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
NK LAS-ORD JUL 2>3
NK MCO-SJU AUG 1.0>0.6

Nice increase for CLE for July
UA CLE-BTV APR 0.9>0.7
UA CLE-DAY JUL 3>4
UA CLE-IND JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
UA CLE-LAS JUL 3>1.7
UA CLE-MSP JUL 3>4
UA CLE-PVD JUL 3>4
*UA CLE-SEA JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
UA DEN-AMA JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.9>3
UA DEN-BIS JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
UA DEN-BWI JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
UA DEN-BZN JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
UA DEN-COD JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>1.8
UA DEN-EUG JUN 2.0>3 JUL 2>3
UA DEN-FAR JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
UA DEN-FCA JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>1.8
UA DEN-GRR JUN 1.1>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.9 AUG 1.0>1.7
UA DEN-GTF JUN 1.9>3 JUL 2>3
UA DEN-ICT JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
UA DEN-LBB JUN 2.0>3 JUL 2>3
UA DEN-MCO JUL 3>4
UA DEN-MEM JUN 1.8>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2.0>1.1
UA DEN-MOT JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
UA DEN-MSN JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA DEN-MTJ JUN 1.9>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 1.7>3
UA DEN-OGG MAY 0.3>0.2
UA DEN-PDX JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
UA DEN-TPA JUN 1.8>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 1.9>1.1
UA DEN-TUS JUN 5>4 JUL 5>3 AUG 5>4
UA DEN-YEG JUL 3>2
UA DEN-YVR JUL 2>3 AUG 1.9>3
UA EWR-CUR JUL 0.1>0
UA EWR-DEN JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
UA EWR-MSP APR 5>6
*UA EWR-PAP APR 0.6>0.2 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.3>0
*UA EWR-PHL APR 3>0.8 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0
UA EWR-YYZ APR 10>9
UA IAD-AUS JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
UA IAD-BUF JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA IAD-DEN JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9 AUG 8>9
Weren't these changes in there last week?
*UA IAD-MHT APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
UA IAD-MIA JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.2
*UA IAD-PNS APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
UA IAD-PVD JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
UA IAD-ROA JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
UA IAD-SJU MAY 1.0>0.4 JUL 1.0>0.4 AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0.4
*UA IAH-CID APR 1.0>0.3 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
*UA IAH-DRT APR 1.9>0.5 MAY 1.9>0 JUN 2.0>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0
UA IAH-MEX APR 9>8
UA IAH-YYZ MAY 4>3
UA LAX-ASE APR 0.7>0.5
UA LAX-PIT APR 0.8>0.6
UA LAX-SAN MAY 14>13
*UA LAX-TUL APR 0.8>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 0.9>0
UA ORD-ASE APR 1.3>0.7
*UA ORD-SJU MAY 0.3>0 JUL 0.3>0 AUG 0.3>0 SEP 0.3>0
UA SFO-ASE APR 0.2>0.1
UA SFO-CLE JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2.0>3
UA SFO-HNL JUL 5>6
UA SFO-LAX MAY 14>13
UA SFO-RDM APR 3>2
UA SFO-YYC APR 3>4
UA SFO-YYJ MAY 1.8>2

UP FLL-FPO MAR 1.3>1.6 APR 1.3>1.7 MAY 1.5>1.7
UP MCO-NAS MAR 1.1>1.6 APR 1.0>1.7 MAY 1.3>1.7
UP MIA-NAS FEB 3>4 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
US CLT-PDX APR 0.9>0.6

*VW MFE-MEX MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.5 MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.4

WG ATL-CUN APR 0.1>0

WP HNL-KOA FEB 0.4>0
WP HNL-LNY FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4 APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4
WP HNL-OGG FEB 4>3
WP KOA-HNL FEB 0.4>0
WP LNY-HNL FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6 APR 7>6 MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6 AUG 7>6 SEP 7>6
WP OGG-HNL FEB 4>3

ZK DEN-DIK FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3
*ZK DEN-ISN FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 1.8>1.0 APR 1.9>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0 JUN 1.8>1.0 JUL 1.9>1.0 AUG 1.8>1.0 SEP 1.9>1.0
*ZK DIK-ISN FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6086 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7599 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WG ATL-CUN APR 0.1>0

Guess that Vacation Express stuff isn't working too well



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2219 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7512 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LW BRL-ORD JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0
LW BRL-STL JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0
LW DEC-ORD JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0
LW DEC-STL JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0
LW JBR-STL JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0

I hope this means Air Choice One will be operating under their own code, or a different "rented" code. I would hate to see them shut down - they are a great little airline.



Seaholm Maples are #1!
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16854 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7409 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

*AZ EWR-FCO MAY 0.3>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0 SEP 0.7>0

Either UA will be happy, or DL will be opening up a third Trans-Atlantic route from EWR.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3181 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7404 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US CLT-PDX APR 0.9>0.6

Nice to see US connected to PDX from somewhere other than PHX.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA SFO-RDM APR 3>2

This used to be 3x daily EMB's even the slow period, then went 2x daily CRJ, now it's only 2x EMB-120, IMHO, it looks like UAX/OO flying is going to end within the Northwest at some point in the near future, and these SFO flights will be all that will be left serving a handful of cities up here in the Northwest, those EMB-120 props are tired.

[Edited 2013-01-14 07:34:11]


AA-AC-AQ-AS-BN-BD-CO-CS-DL-EA-EZ-HA-HP-KL-KN-MP-MW-NK-NW-OO-OZ-PA-PS-QX-RC-RH-RW-SA-TG-TW-UA-US-VS-WA-WC-WN
User currently offlineazstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7369 times:

Thanks for this info, enilria. It's probably a lot of work, but appreciated by many, I'm sure.

User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7253 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
Either UA will be happy, or DL will be opening up a third Trans-Atlantic route from EWR.

I smell DL entering EWR-FCO.



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17412 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7189 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Another big cut at FLL
NK FLL-BQN MAY 0.7>0.6 JUN 0.7>0.6 JUL 0.7>0.6 AUG 0.7>0.5
NK FLL-KIN APR 0>0.1 MAY 0.7>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.5 AUG 1.0>0.6

Must be the facility constraints  



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16854 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7117 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 6):
I smell DL entering EWR-FCO.

That seems to be the trend, and depending on what happens with their new arrangement with VS they could be launching a fourth Trans-Atlantic route from EWR. Which would put their Trans-Atlantic network from EWR the size CO's was around 1992 when CO served LGW, ORY, FRA, MAD. The only difference is that CO was flying DC-10s and 747s, big difference in seats.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7088 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 6):
Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
Either UA will be happy, or DL will be opening up a third Trans-Atlantic route from EWR.

I smell DL entering EWR-FCO.

I smell an Italian economy in trouble, that cannot support EWR-FCO by any carrier, and the most economic and way to make any profit on the NYC-FCO connection is to serve via JFK. It will take an economic recovery to see EWR return IMHO. Market just isn't there at the moment.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17412 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7073 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 9):

I smell an Italian economy in trouble, that cannot support EWR-FCO by any carrier, and the most economic and way to make any profit on the NYC-FCO connection is to serve via JFK. It will take an economic recovery to see EWR return IMHO. Market just isn't there at the moment.

  DL is picking up troubled AF stations, never mind AZ stations.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7072 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
That seems to be the trend, and depending on what happens with their new arrangement with VS they could be launching a fourth Trans-Atlantic route from EWR. Which would put their Trans-Atlantic network from EWR the size CO's was around 1992 when CO served LGW, ORY, FRA, MAD. The only difference is that CO was flying DC-10s and 747s, big difference in seats.

Except DL out of EWR is restricted to just the hubs. I think they are interested in cherry picking the higher yield markets (CDG, AMS) and as said, likely eventually LHR.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
 DL is picking up troubled AF stations, never mind AZ stations.

Is the economy is France that much better than Italy? I somehow doubt it.



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6966 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 1):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WG ATL-CUN APR 0.1>0

Guess that Vacation Express stuff isn't working too well

I think April isn't working too well any more to the sun destinations from most places.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
Either UA will be happy, or DL will be opening up a third Trans-Atlantic route from EWR.

It looks like it simply moved to JFK where they have Delta.

Quoting azstar (Reply 5):
Thanks for this info, enilria. It's probably a lot of work, but appreciated by many, I'm sure.

Flattery will get you everywhere.   It is a lot of work.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
Must be the facility constraints  

LOL. That must be why B6 cuts FLL every week. Oh wait...  
Quoting BD338 (Reply 9):
I smell an Italian economy in trouble, that cannot support EWR-FCO by any carrier,

UA can make it work fine, but with three alliances there is less and less head to head competition. The economy is just an excuse to do what is already coming.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17412 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6947 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 11):

Is the economy is France that much better than Italy? I somehow doubt it.

It's probably better, but more importantly, the CDG hub is much more important than FCO



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6806 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
I think April isn't working too well any more to the sun destinations from most places.

With Easter being in March in 2013, would that have anything to do with cutting schedules to "sun" destinations in April this year?

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
Flattery will get you everywhere.   It is a lot of work.

Thanks, as always, for your work on this. Much appreciated.


User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*ZK DEN-ISN FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 1.8>1.0 APR 1.9>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0 JUN 1.8>1.0 JUL 1.9>1.0 AUG 1.8>1.0 SEP 1.9>1.0
*ZK DIK-ISN FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

Looks like the new UA and DL service to ISN is having an effect on ZK - weren't they up to 5 daily at one point?

'902



life wasn't worth the balance, or the crumpled paper it was written on
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6674 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 14):
With Easter being in March in 2013, would that have anything to do with cutting schedules to "sun" destinations in April this year?

That's a big part, but over the last few years we've seen these leisure markets completely collapse post-Easter in terms of schedule. It used to be that things were decent through third week of April and then people stayed home till school got out. It's also weird because a lot of kids are in school until mid June now and to not vacation from 3/31 to 6/15 is pretty crazy. Finally, it's odd because MAR and JUN/JUL have become such a super-peak that prices are crazy. It would make sense for people to go in April/May to save money.

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 14):
Thanks, as always, for your work on this. Much appreciated.

 


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*FL MDW-MBJ APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.2
*FL MDW-PUJ MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.2

        

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 2):
I hope this means Air Choice One will be operating under their own code, or a different "rented" code. I would hate to see them shut down - they are a great little airline.

The airline was granted the EAS subsidy for BRL and DEC for another three years. Here is the article with more info about them getting the subsidy and new requirements for Air Choice.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6474 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 11):
Is the economy is France that much better than Italy? I somehow doubt it.

um Italy is pretty bad and has much larger problems in its economy i think it is that much worse than France. Plus CDG is a much more important hub as other said so its a win win


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
um Italy is pretty bad and has much larger problems in its economy i think it is that much worse than France. Plus CDG is a much more important hub as other said so its a win win

Apart from the economic debate, the geography of CDG as a hub to service population centers is much better than FCO. FCO is essentially in the middle of the Mediterranean and the entire Southern rim has basically no traffic volume.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2219 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6361 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 17):
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 2):
I hope this means Air Choice One will be operating under their own code, or a different "rented" code. I would hate to see them shut down - they are a great little airline.


The airline was granted the EAS subsidy for BRL and DEC for another three years. Here is the article with more info about them getting the subsidy and new requirements for Air Choice.

Thanks for the article. This means they will be flying under their own code from now on.

I flew Air Choice One in May, ORD-DEC-STL. Flying them was a lot of fun, and I'd encourage any ANetters in the Midwest who want to log a new airline and / or a new aircraft type to fly them, too.



Seaholm Maples are #1!
User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6172 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Another big cut at FLL

And to think some folks gave me crap when I warned them that the same fate awaits LAS and DFW...NK is like a strip miner...they come in, rake all the profits, and pull out.


User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6059 times:

Re Spirit at FLL...

With the big delays at FLL now due to the construction, some of the FLL reductions may be related.



My post is my ideas and my opinions only, I do not represent the ideas or opinions of anyone else or company.
User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9310 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6014 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
Either UA will be happy, or DL will be opening up a third Trans-Atlantic route from EWR.

Wouldn't count on this one. I think its done for DL/AF/KL/AZ



yep.
User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3804 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 21):
And to think some folks gave me crap when I warned them that the same fate awaits LAS and DFW...NK is like a strip miner...they come in, rake all the profits, and pull out.

NK has been in FLL for how long now? Its not like they showed up for a year or two and left. It's been their largest base of ops for quite some time. I don't follow your statement.


25 yellowtail : maybe but they are having a tough time in Latin America / Caribbean markets. It is much harder to be a web based airline, in markets that still thriv
26 awacsooner : It may take them longer, but eventually, FLL will become just another outside station in their network...same goes with DFW and LAS...they keep movin
27 MaverickM11 : No way. Everyone *but* NK is growing at FLL, and NK is steadily shrinking and has been for years.
28 mah4546 : Spirit's headquarter city will never become "just another outside station."
29 flyb : OO off this route as well. This route adjusts so many times it's crazy. I would say its because of IAH but that route is down to 1X daily in summer.
30 enilria : Haven't we heard about how they are only shrinking in FLL because of construction enough? Why does it only affect them? I just give that zero credenc
31 njdevilsin03 : It deals with NK directly because that entire terminal, that they operate nearly all of their flights out of is being worked on for the next several y
32 ScottB : I think it has become a lot more difficult for parents to pull their kids out of school for a week for family vacations with all the "education refor
33 RL757PVD : Tell that to Detroit.... However I agree they wont be moving the HQ soon... I do however think they may be increasingly vulnerable in FLL, where if a
34 ORD14R : Does anybody know if IB has gone 3x daily on this route before? I wonder if the AA flight will still operate...if so that would be 4x daily. That's a
35 MaverickM11 : It's the same one everyone else uses for international arrivals, and they keep adding (B6 just added MDE for example).
36 Post contains images point2point : Seems that the West Texas cities are doing okay for UA here, at least with these summertime additions into DEN..... And just taking a quick count of
37 AVENSAB727 : Nope.
38 FlyingSicilian : True it is not punishing IAH, just cutting more flights as things shift to other hubs. I believe you call the cuts "right sizing"..kind of like circu
39 Post contains images MaverickM11 : What do you think Or we can list all the new IAH destinations announced in 2012/13. They could be counted on zero fingers. All those oil/shale destin
40 enilria : Interesting. I wasn't aware of that. NK will move it to anywhere who writes a check. Hello, Enid! But realistically I don't think anybody is going to
41 tommy767 : Maybe they finally realized that DEN makes $$$
42 mfe777 : How do we make it to where when you hover your cursor over "MFE," it displays the airport name (McAllen Miller International Airport)?
43 MasseyBrown : These, plus the SFO increase, plus the half a dozen or so from last week, are still just add-backs of post-Christmas January schedule reductions, not
44 Post contains images point2point : I think that in this airline/airport game...... DEN learned to pucker its lips a long time ago........
45 enilria : "Finally" meaning after the the $22m rent abatement deal? Maybe they will start punishing ORD for suing them over the fuel tax, LOL. They should have
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